₦airaland Forum

Adekdammy:
If the amount is just for the hub minus the road that leads to the airport, then Ambode is fantastically corrupt but whichever way, take both the stadium and the hub to another country and you will be amazed that they might not even spend up to half of the total amount.

Bros,

I have come to the conclusion that there is no way we can assert what an ideal value of govt contract is. Even if you add the road "all-join" Nigerians will still complain. I believe we should focus on advocating that projects once started should be completed within reasonble time so that we can start to derive value from it.

JohnieWalker:
Both are white elephant project but football can generate more if only our govt know how to run it


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Lomprico2:
Do u even know what a 'white elephant project' is at all op??

You have asked a fundamental question Bros. I believe that we as citizenry needs to get off our ignorance-ladden high horses and begin to put to use our education (which in some cases looks like monumental waste). Except the OP is just trying to draw traffic or finger itching, his definition of "White Elephant" is clearly unclear or much more misplaced.

My 2cents
1. Both projects ideally are good infrastructure for the location they are.
2. We are so bothered needlessly chasing "how much did it cost". Reality check is such posture in most cases is like beckoning to a vehicle that has long passed us by. Why are we not bothered on the value returns? I guess that takes some level of rocket science to some people......
3. Have someone calculated the volume of people that the Oshodi terminal will deal with on a daily basis? How much on the average each will spend and how much accrues back to the state govt.Have someone bothered to consider that the Terminal also has as part of it a mega-mall, how accessible it will be to take a bus or train to Oshodi to do a major shopping? Has someone considered how this affects the value of properties and business in the Oshodi Axis? I went to assess a property in Oshodi last year, this is a property I will have to pull down the structure already on it before building mine. The asking price was N90m. I argued that why that exorbitant cost considering that the current building on the property is useless to me. The rep of the family simply pointed me to the Terminal (then at foundation level) and told me that by this year, the price would have gone over N120m.
4. It is also false that nobody is building terminals like this in 21st century. These can only be statements from people who has hardly left their villages. What I see cities do is to strategically (co)locate Terminals like these in central business communities with access to rail-lines, markets/malls etc. London underground and Jo'borgs Gauteng have been operating this model for a long time.

Okoyeebos:

thundafire: :
Oshodi bus terminal is a white project my reasons, dey are suppose 2 build a rail not bus which country dats developing builds bus stations in 21st century and mny have been embezzled

It's either you're typing from one backward village with no prospects or you are suffering from factory fitted ignorance.

There's an ongoing rail project in Lagos and rail stations are being built.

Bros,

You and @GavelSlam have just made my day with the sub on this "patently ignorant" guy. I laugh at times when some random "village rat" with access to cheap phones and data, post "emphatic-ignorance" about what they know absolutely nothings about. He talks about rail lines, but if he bothered to ask those living in Lagos or been to Lagos or looked at the diagram carefully, He would have discovered or they would have told him that Terminal 1 actually overlays an existing rail-line/proximal, as such the basement automatically replaces the old train station.

GavelSlam:

thundafire: :
Oshodi bus terminal is a white project my reasons, dey are suppose 2 build a rail not bus which country dats developing builds bus stations in 21st century and mny have been embezzled

The attempt to educate you was a white elephant project.

I couldn't have put it any "milder" and "better"

ihatesycophant:
Mr. man, all I see here is you're just bleating and don't know your Bible at all.
There are qualifications for any one that want to become officer in the household of God either as a pastor, Bishop, deacon or what have you. This is expressly stated in the book of 1 Timothy 3. Read this excerpt from the Bible chapter:
1 Timothy 3:3-7
"not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him, and he must do so in a manner worthy of full respect. (If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God’s church?) He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil. He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil’s trap".
I did mentioned in my last comment that the first ministry of every man is his family. Any man that cannot manage his family is not fit to manage a church. In this note, he must find away of settling the issue with his wife and I have stated how he can do that both in my first comment and the second and even the one I commented in yours. He must not allow his wife to divorce him because of establishing a church.
You must put in my that his wife did not say don't worship God but the issue in contention is don't partner to establish a church and don't live a church. If he's not marry, he's to himself. In this case he must do everything within his power spiritually to win his wife, if truly he got such mandate to head an assembly.
You can go back to my first comment and read and also read his own reply to it.

There is no clap emoticon here else I would have given you........ but this is how you "immature" folks just read text and you think bamm! there goes........

1. Let's start from your supposition from the scripture you quoted here.....Is it not about the quest to "manage his family" that he's come to you for advise? Did he come to you to tell him how "terrible/Mistaken/Bad/etc he is? The mistake you're making is that the guy in question most like is familiar with 1 Timothy 3:3-7 as I am? Does that answer his challenges where his life's longing is yet to be fulfilled? The guy is telling you he has a burden, he longs to answer his calling, yet his wife is threatening him with Divorce, threatening even the Pastor that invited him to start a ministry......... Don't you see that you have a case that needs real counselling for this couple?

2. How come you're quick to castigate this man for his quest to answer a spiritual call, yet find it tactfully convenient to excuse a wife (supposedly christian wife) that threatens to Divorce?

My simple submission to you (and many others in your line of thoughts are these)

You are far from being good counselors. You terrible listeners. You are quick to provide your answers, yet miss a lot on the small details. You jump to quote the scriptures, yet what you do with it does more harm than good. Think about this

seunmsg:
I just hope the state government will be able to maintain the place. I want the terminus to still look as beautiful as this in the next 5 years.

TBS terminus is looking beautiful 2yrs running

ihatesycophant:
Mr. man, you're jumping into issue you know next to nothing about. The comment you reacted to wasn't my first one. The comment here is a reaction to his own comment. No saner person would just jump and say, are you spirit filled.
I've seen the way you're reacting to comments of people when actually you're not the one issue bothered, except you're the same pastor he want to partner with.
As I did said, the God of universal is not a God of confusion, he profusely does a thing and not make it vague. You forgot that the first ministry of a man is his family. How do you think God would now cause disharmony between this man and his wife because he wanted him to establish a church. The workings of God is never like that. He'll do everything to convince the woman. Where not talking of relationship that is only friendship but legal union except they've not wedded. Remember the guy didn't say his wife is not born again and not say is not spirit filled but just not wanting him to partner with another person to own a church or live the church they are going.
The man has the obligation to guide and protect his family and that is why he need to go back to God in prayers if truly he has inner conviction that God called him to ministry.
The rest of your argument is pure poo. I can imagine what the guy didn't mention in his comments. Keep your imagination to yourself.

....except you're the same pastor he want to partner with.

Oh! it has come to this? This is frustration at its lowest ebb you're demonstrating. I'm tempted to ask, are you struggling with critical reasoning or simply frustrated that your simplistic point have been punctured?

1. "God of Universal"? What crap is that? to start with? So you want to tell me that in all situations, wives of prophets or spiritual leaders either in the bible or history have been on the same page with their husband? Then you are as ignorant as I imagine. Go learn your bible and your history.....

2. God is not a God of confusion......absolutely YES. God also is not a robot guider. He gives man free will and that is why we do things out of our own volition until we submit to him. I laid a simple alternative reasoning, not only are you struggling with it, you get frustrated. What if God has actually revealed to his wife ........ and she is the one resisting? Why will a Christian wife threaten her husband with Divorce? You think everything in life is that simple? You think our simple reasoning is the only way God moves? What if it is actually the acid test for this guy in question, God testing to see if he can pass a simple test of winning his wife over, before he can entrust a Ministry to him. They guy came here seeking for advise, you lot roll out templates of condemnations, bringing extraneous issues outside the points he raised. The guy said he's prayed, and done all that......yet you cannot come up with deeper insights. I tire for you people with "unsound" minds

3. Yes, go back to God in prayers to touch his wife is a plausible idea, good one at that........but he said he's done that, so what next? I believe that is why he's come here for advise.

IForgotMyLoginD:
Sorry I have no time to read this epistle. Give the guy your advice and move on (that is if you are not the minister that asked him to come into partnership in the first place). And kindly keep off my mentions. Mr. Jugdemental I-Can’t-Mind-My-Own-Business Pot calling Kettle Black.

With all due respect sir, this will be the last response I’ll honour you with. You can go ahead and jump on the others giving him almost same advice. You might be lucky to find one to trade words or debate with you. Happy new week sir.

You want to cry? Haba! e no reach that my sista.......

ihatesycophant:
You're just assuming. God can never be an author of confusion. If truly you're spirit filled, immediately you received the mandate and you confined in your wife and she gave negative reply, since that day you suppose to have gone on your knees and ask God to convince her by a sign. The Bible says, until they see a sign they would not believe. Even during the ministry of Jesus, the Pharises never believed him because they requested for a miracle. You need to go more in prayers for God to show himself to your darling wife that truly he was the one sending you for a task ahead. If you go through the Bible everyone God sent and they had one or two obstacles, God manifested miracles to dispel their doubt.
I advice you to go more on your knees and intensify your prayer altar and keep the wood burning. Truly if it was God that called you, your wife will surely feel it and be convinced.

This is how some of you twist narratives and the scriptures and also quote scriptures out of context. let's start with some few things in this your post and the other one.

1. Yes I am assuming, just like you and anyone else. God's call to him is personal. It cannot follow a template. You cannot tell him ho-ha a pattern HIS call should follow.
2. There have been many instances where a "spirit-filled" individual has his/her greatest cross in his/her partner. There has been instances where wife's/girl-friends of pastors/would-be pastors are not supportive. In some cases the relationship crashes, in other cases they find a way to get to a compromise and in others she gives her total support. What this person in question is asking his how will he go about it. You lot have all the answers from a supposed template.
3. From the bolded, what makes you think he's not done all that? What if God is tell him to do some other things to get her on board? If you were a christian counselor, and a young aspiring pastor comes to you with this "problem", you mean to tell me your answer will be "If truly you're spirit filled, immediately you received the mandate and you confined in your wife and she gave negative reply, since that day you suppose to have gone on your knees and ask God to convince her by a sign[/i]" This is why people walk away from some of you supposed spiritual leaders worse off and more disappointed.
4. What is the use of this out of context scriptures you quoted here to the discussion at hand? [i]"The Bible says, until they see a sign they would not believe" I guess you are a bible reader, yet you muddled up a different scripture to explain? hmm....

Just like I keep saying.......

What if he's done all these (prayed earnestly, fasted, etc) and she's still adamant?

IForgotMyLoginD:
And how can it look ‘personal’ when I don’t know who he is?

As for ‘judgemental’, of what use will my ‘judements’ be to me or anyone for that matter?

So let's start with few tots

1. I guess you imagined the way you sister and her husband started their "ministry" is also the way he MUST start his?
2. If you went through his initial posts very well, he did not ask anyone here to help him assess if he should start a ministry. His emphasis is that he's convinced of his calling to start a ministry. My question to you (and others with "judgmental" feedback) is why are you more interested in "dissuading" him? Why are you telling him "how" and "when" he should not start/start? I put below some of your quotes that is out to the issues he placed for advise

God won’t just jump start you into owning a church. Do you even have a small fellowship unit that is touching lives?

Good question, but out of scope. You do not know his background or the "works" he has done, the spiritual heights he has attained. You do not even know if he has a small fellowship or not(if that is even a criteria for God's call)

My in-law registered his ministry 4years ago but is still taking it little by little. Even when he wanted to start Sunday service , God said NOT YET. My sister supports him cos she’s SEEN that God’s hand is upon him. This is someone that got his calling yearssss before he registered his ministry. God is never in a hurry.

The God that told your in-law NOT YET, could be telling this man START NOW?

So I advise you ask HIM for direction. And ask HIM to start to use you in a mighty way. Even your wife will be convinced. Cos right now, she isn’t.

You made a bland assumption that he has not asked God for direction?


I like to keep to the facts of issues, at least to the extent of the information we have. The challenge I see here is that this brother is long-gone in his resolve to start his ministry (convinced God has called him to start). He wants advise on how to convince his wife. Let me pick just one thing from what many of you tacitly alluded to as a simple answer

1. PRAY that God touches/reveals to the wife
2. Get counselling from "spiritual fathers" who can guide both he and the wife on how to traverse stages like this. It will hit into their family life physically, emotionally and economically at the start (the ministry may even be "small time" for a long time)......but that is the price of answering a legit call of God.
3. Tell the wife, the threat of divorce.........is at best shameful. Under no circumstances should a christian wife threaten her husband with divorce over divergent views.

ihatesycophant:
God can not call you and not make a way. Ask God to reveal himself to your wife that truly He was the one that called you.
Again, your mission statement of calling may not be to establish a new church. May be that was why God has not revealed himself to your wife. God is never a God of confusion, if truly he want you to break away from your church, He would have revealed it to your wife even in a slightest way to serve as conviction to her.
Well, continue praying and tell God to make the call profound and clearer so that your wife will feel it because between two or three a matter shall be established.

What if God has and she is resisting?

toscolee:
Nairaland is not the place to bring up such a sensitive issue.

My first thought exactly.

akaahs:
So God cant use him where he is presently abi??

So God can't use him in another place abi?

My sister,

It's not like there is a template for receiving a calling from God and how to start a ministry. The only thing I deem more valuable in your submission is "ask God for direction".... Every other thing sounds judgemental and personal

IForgotMyLoginD:
My sister attends a big church and she’s an active worker. Her husband got the calling from God. But you need to understand that when God calls you, the fruit will show. Even your wife will leave her church to join you. I think you’re rushing to have a ministry. Ask the Holy Spirit for direction. God won’t just jump start you into owning a church. Do you even have a small fellowship unit that is touching lives?

My in-law registered his ministry 4years ago but is still taking it little by little. Even when he wanted to start Sunday service , God said NOT YET. My sister supports him cos she’s SEEN that God’s hand is upon him. This is someone that got his calling yearssss before he registered his ministry. God is never in a hurry.

So I advise you ask HIM for direction. And ask HIM to start to use you in a mighty way. Even your wife will be convinced. Cos right now, she isn’t.

alphaconde:

kulrunsman79: :
Is the man pregnant? Only in Africa that you see gallant officers with pot-bellies. grin grin grin

lies

I find it amusing(albeit unfortunately) that people make emphatic and emotion laden statements as facts when they don't bother to check or support with evidence

stefanweeks:
I Know all that

What i wanted to drive at was to answer the query by free2ryhme as at why 'Indians' are managing the company which is that it was sold to them by the government.

I am not disputing your statements....in fact I am in tacit support

stefanweeks:

free2ryhme: :


so indians are managing this company in Nigeria shocked

The nation is finished

debolayinka: :

You just spoke my mind. I was going to ask if we don't have Nigerians who do the job.

The company is owned by Sri lankians not indians. Your government sold it to them.

Not totally sold, FG through NNPC still holds some equity. It was a good move if you ask me. Prior to the almost moribund, operating as less than 25% capacity and almost going the way of many of our refineries. When Indorama took over, in less than 12months, without laying off any Nigeria staff, it was operating at 100%.

The returns paid to FG in the first year was way much more than what was ever made prior to privatisation

frankwyte:
That's reason you are where you because you refuse to acknowledge even when you're thought. It's a pathetic state of affairs since PMB. People choose be arrogantly ignorant.... What a state of affairs down here!

When I am "thought"? Oh Gosh! I give up

scholes23:
did you see what I wrote at the bottom? U would have gone straight with the insults. I asked questions u replied with insult

What you wrote at the bottom even makes it more unintelligent.

frankwyte:
Maybe i should enlighten you a little, Drilling fluid cost,JVC funding,and security cost are all factored in drilling activities globally. So what do you see on ground here in Nigeria. So, when i say talk is cheap believe me guy. If you wish to learn pay consultation fee.

Bros,

1. You have not "enlightened me" with this your copy-paste text book submission.
2. Tell us exactly what is pertinent and perculiar to the CPB and how NNPC could have brought it down.

Some of you are simply ignorantly arrogant. You don't know nada!

CodeTemplar:
I don't get it, which industry? Nigeria or the world?

Nigerian Oil and Gas industry

DaudaAbu:
A welcome development.

Does dat mean nigerian engineers are now involved?

More revenue to the nigerian pocket

Involvement of Nigerian Engineers (Nigerian engineers have been involved in the first place) has little to do with reducing CPB

Ezechinwa:
oh, sorry I meant to say 1.6 million candidates would receive world-class education if that makes you happy!

I'm not sure of what will make me happy in your case; I am saddened that comprehension is receding.....

frankwyte:
You may talk anything, talk is cheap, what evidence on ground to show that yu can get a barrel through drilling @ 20$ (7200 NGR) . You guys will just come and make noise acting like children all the time. Your qualification is questionable because the way you guys talk is pathetic and very comical!

.....and what evidence do you think they should have shown you of a CPB @$20? Do you even know the breakdown analysis of a CPB because you seem to be asking a question on a "wrong tangent"

CodeTemplar:
It used to be $28.99 before. Good news ( if true )

Problem is this CPB may not be the industry average, as such not reflective. I hope it will be

scholes23:
My questions
Will it reduce the price of fuel in Nigeria
Will it also reduce the price of goods in Nigeria

If the answers are NO, then there's nothing laudable in it

IMO

This regular rhetoric that many of you adduce to every issue discussed is a lazy mentality. Everything is not about "reduce the price of fuel or the price of goods". Why not talk about Job creation, infrastructural drive, increase in industry clusters, more health care, better transportation network etc. You lot are so "consumption-centric" that you hardly think about development

usba:

san316: :


There is no comprehension challenge. There is a link between cost of production and eventual cost of sales.

Saudi Arabia has one of the lowest cost of production and it is the top producer of oil, still oil prices are not low. You cannot use your guguru and ekpa thinking when it comes to oil. The price of oil is determined largely by demand and supply not cost of production. What you are supposed to be talking about is increased Income for Nigeria not lower petrol prices which are determined by forces outside our borders

Spot on

san316:

usba: :


Wow, this kind comprehension challenge I never see, it has nothing to do with the cost of petrol. grin

There is no comprehension challenge. There is a link between cost of production and eventual cost of sales.

Not so much in this context. We export most of the crude oil we sell, as such cost of sales is influenced not by cost of production, but the landing cost petrol for example. The only uptake here lower CPB means more revenue to FG and cut in wastages.

gsparks01:
What I see is a country whose only way to success is through the university. We must get to a stage where going to university is a choice. Besides, how many university graduates are successful sef.
So many people have no business with universities, but you know,,, stigma, if they don't go

I am absolutely with you on this

kc2hansome:
1.6 million fighting for how many Tertiary-Institution sloths?

Except we vote in leaders that understands grassroot problem, we will never move forward as a nation.
When I talk about grassroot understanding, I'm not referring to a first lady who fries Akara only on campaigns.

But how can we move forward when one tribe votes because it's their brother and another votes based on a degraded VP post.
The situation of the country is in shambles yet the government is supported by some on tribal lines rather than performance.

Actually, there is nothing wrong if 1.6m candidates wants to write JAMB. Your submission presupposes that every candidate have a right to be admitted, which is a wrong premise. Yes they have the right to write the exams, but they need to do the hard work to pass. You cannot stop people from aspiring to get admitted into universities, what you can regulate is their meeting the requisite standard.

Secondly, the "grass root" knowledge you refer to is not rocket science. A key problem with us in Nigeria is this wrong notion that everybody must go through the University or else you will be a failure in life(emphasis mine). We have lots of other avenues to means of livelihood i.e. the skill development institutions and other institution of "unconventional" learning. We have left these "industry-clusters" largely under-explored and under-exploited. We have mechanics, plumbers, builders and other artisanal education that have been left in the hands of uneducated and unexposed people. A lot of money is made in these areas.

Unfortunately many people struggle to get into universities either out of ignorance (wrong information and perception) or social stigma, when they stand to make more money and derive more pleasure if they had gone into the other unconventional forms of higher learning