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ivandragon:

GavelSlam: :


Do you agree satellite links, servers, hardwares and sundry infrastructure become part of the deal?

Do you agree that dedicated developers, engineers would be needed to maintain this site?

I posted a link earlier.

Take a look at it:

https://techvera.com/company-it-spend/

look...

lets stop all this back & forth...


where I work, we have a website that handles financial transactions, keeps records, handles registrations, is updated daily & the total system serves over 6000 people daily with over 5000 visitors ....

we spent 200m developing it & this includes maintenance & training for 24 months...

after that, we spend an average of 2.5m monthly to maintain the site & internet access package...


now check out the ministry's website & tell me what you think...


http://www.minesandsteel.gov.ng

.....and you question a N700m investment for a scale of what will serve a country?

ivandragon:

ibietela2: :

Link please

http://www.minesandsteel.gov.ng

Wong link. This is the correct link

http://gisportal.minesandsteel.gov.ng/gisportal/home/

Nbote:
I'm glad U pointed dat out... Is d website going to be generating geoscience data and information on its own or simply a platform to provide d data d sector has... U have pointed out "limited geoscience Data and information" . Shldn't dey b more concerned with carrying out a comprehensive and up to date research to determine what minerals are found where and in wat quantities? Some Chinese had to help us discover a mineral somewhere in d south south by jus scrapping d surface. Dat money can b beta used by d research team of d ministry. What is d use of a website if dey don't have data and information.. Let dem encourage local legal mining here first, not d illegal extraction dats been ongoing all d while. If U know where what is found U'll know how to kip d illegal stuff in check and where to point investors to. Investors would b beta encouraged wen dey see how d local business thrives.. There's a whole lot than can b done but d website expenditure shldnt b at d top of d list or an achievement dey shld brag about

Bros,

Let me respectfully say this, you need to be educated on how things like this works. I see that you are "innocently" so ignorant (no pun intended). But let me try and paint the picture in simple terms as possible....... first off I am not from the mining sector, but the oil and gas sector and we sort of have semblance in the way "resources" are extracted.

1. "Is the "website" going to be generating geoscience data and information on its own or simply a platform to provide d data d sector has....".

First and foremost, all the minerals needs to be located, mapped and tracked. Geo-scientists will perform some seismic imaging of the sub-surface layers of ground and the imagine patterns are compared to the documented characteristics of some minerals, so that they can "guess" which minerals are where. This seismic imagining in itself will span several kilometers, the data is recorded in a database and it will be sent to a lab to process and interprete. This is what will help them to improve their precision on the location of particular minerals.

At what point the "website" comes in is relative, but if you consider the "nature" of the data and how it will be interpreted into business information, then you will appreciate the scientific work that goes into the programming. It only comes out in "websites" so that lay-men like you and I can make meaning out of it and make business decisions. Hence my argument that anybody that call this "website" is simply ignorant.

2. "Shldn't dey b more concerned with carrying out a comprehensive and up to date research to determine what minerals are found where and in wat quantities?"

I can assure you that even before this govt came in, both academics and business community does this on an ongoing basis. The challenge in this context is to have a central location where the results all these researches can be warehoused in an organised manner and used for making investment decisions. If you saw the result of researches by geology professors in Nigeria about minerals in a particular area, it will be useless to you and I as it will speak too many jargons. Someone needs to aggregate and organise them in business-ready form

3. "Some Chinese had to help us discover a mineral somewhere in d south south by jus scrapping d surface."

I do not know in what form or what surface they scratched to discover these minerals, but let me also assure you that if their discovery is not backed by data, they themselves cannot ascertain the quantity that is underground. They will just be doing trial by error and it will be sub-optimal.

4. "If U know where what is found U'll know how to kip d illegal stuff in check and where to point investors to. Investors would b beta encouraged wen dey see how d local business thrives."

Knowing "where it is found" in this context is not simply what people tell you. Investment in the mining sector is capital intensive. Which bank or international financial institution will simply put down money based on "where it is found" ? This is where data comes in. There should be a portal, devoid of human intervation, where "mineral data" and information can be assessed by any investor anywhere in the world, any financial institution especially when a potential investor approaches them on his intention to prospect and extract minerals in Nigeria. They need to corroborate what the investor is claiming from a certified source. This is an "open source" for anybody to extract such information.

As per seeing local investors as incentive for international investors, my simple answer to you is this is not the case. Our mining industry is virgin at the moment, it is yet to be well organised and coordinated. Most of the so-called local investors turn out to be illegal miners, especially foreigners. Then when we talk about foreign investors, we are looking for people that will make investment in $billion like South Africa & Namibia.

5. "There's a whole lot than can b done but d website expenditure shldnt b at d top of d list or an achievement dey shld brag about"

Seeing it as a "website" or an "achievement" speaks to the need for you to understand what the mining industry is all about. With this "website" work is actually just about to start, "achievement" is probably 5yrs away

Ebuka2016:

Throwback: :


If only you had sparred the 1minute to google hiw much some websites and web portals cost, you would not have embarrassed yourself so

bro look at the website we are talking about here www.minesandsteel.gov.ng. According to a user here. Now tell me, how does this stupid website justify 700 million naira?? Hey God.

You see, this shows me virtually all of you are ignorant. You do not even know the right link and how the portal looks. You are quoting the link to the ministry's official website, which is not the web-portal for the integrated GIS solution. This quoted link is also for the ministry's information just like any ministry, department or association will have a website.

The correct link is http://gisportal.minesandsteel.gov.ng/gisportal/home/

Ideally if you have a basic knowledge you would have know that to access the correct link, you look for "portal" (or a correct link reference) among the menu options

greenek:

Throwback: :


Illiterates should only speak on basic topics that can be argued at a beer parlour.

Spending $2m on a portal depending on what the complexities of it are and what level of integrated database is required, is not a child's play.

The ministry has itself revealed this information freely to the public, to prevent the likes of you from making a mockery of serious business initiatives as some scandal that has been exposed.

please ehn,dont think that because many are not experts in ICT makes them a fool..
please check out this link; https://digital.com/blog/how-much-does-website-cost/

$2m is outrageous..

also, try to search for the top ten web designer in the world and see their charges, its not even upto $1m..

Bros,

You are even showing your ignorance the more. This is not "search the top ten web designers in the world" issue. It is much more than that

GavelSlam:

ivandragon: :



I was wondering when you were going to show up to defend your preferred thieves...


I don't need to 'build' a website to know when an unreasonable amount has been spent.

go to the website, check out if the domain name is unique to it or not; navigate the site...

how many pages are there;

why are some links to agencies truncated after the first page?;


what is the content? is it just about uploading 'news'?


how interactive is the site?


when you are able to answer those questions, you can come back & chat from an enlightened perspective...

Do you agree satellite links, servers, hardwares and sundry infrastructure become part of the deal?

Do you agree that dedicated developers, engineers would be needed to maintain this site?

I posted a link earlier.

Take a look at it:

https://techvera.com/company-it-spend/

I am of the impression you're wasting your time trying to explain things to people that lack the exposure and capacity to comprehend it

nuttyhnic:
700 million naira? My God! Have you seen what people are building in private companies in Lagos? Very advanced web and mobile applications + maintenance for below 3million.

and this is way much more complex than your "advance web and mobile application"

Nbote:

Throwback: :


I afforded you something deeper, yet free, but a simple man just wants his wooden chair rather than a forest of mahogany.

So let me stoop to your level of comprehension and give you something simple that was already in the news report you refused to see.





Guess what?

I just received an email from Accenture, notifying me of some task for which my response has become due. I wonder how many millions of Dollars my firm pay them to manage just some aspects of our database and ICT resource?

I reckon we could have found a cheaper alternative from Bayo for just a couple of millions in Naira?

My firm must be very wasteful.

What is it with some of U always dodging questions and beating around d bush. D mining sector setting up a website is totally pointless and not a priority. Priorities are so for a reason and getting it right is what determines and shows clarity and a clear cut path.
Anyways here's a KPMG report u shld seesince u want to kip making excuses and baseless scenarios

https://home.kpmg.com/ng/en/home/insights/2017/08/key-challenges-facing-the-nigerian-mining-sector.html

You make me laugh a bit. If you think solving the problem of the mining sector is a simple academic exercise and a simplistic KPMG report tells you all that, then you're on a long thing. But that said, stated "Limited geoscience data and information" as one of the challenges, a key value-offering this solution is addressing. Did you somehow miss that?

bitcoininvest:
How much does it cost to buy domain, web hosting and hire a programmer.
Nigeria with funny funny tricks

Do you think this is "bitcoin" website?

Throwback:

Nbote: :


Now tell urself d truth, who's aimless now? I simply asked u about d issues u claimed d website would solve and U are comparing banks?

I afforded you something deeper, yet free, but a simple man just wants his wooden chair rather than a forest of mahogany.

So let me stoop to your level of comprehension and give you something simple that was already in the news report you refused to see.





Guess what?

I just received an email from Accenture, notifying me of some task for which my response has become due. I wonder how many millions of Dollars my firm pay them to manage just some aspects of our database and ICT resource?

I reckon we could have found a cheaper alternative from Bayo for just a couple of millions in Naira?

My firm must be very wasteful.

Shell's investment in ERP (SAP) was about $32m

Nbote:
Oga can u please list 3 major issues bedeviling d sector and how d website is going to fix it... Only den will I respond to ur "aimless critic" jab

Let me also take this offer

1. “The portal was designed for mining investors to perform business processes such as online mining licences and mineral titles applications, online payment of royalties and fees, database for revenue drive and to block revenue leakages.

2. “The portal is credible and provides timely information about the mining sector, performs and responds to online queries, business intelligence/analytics, reports and statistical data generation.

3. “Mining investors could view all existing mining titles and track them anywhere in the world through the portal, access all agencies information, global mining news, live chat and document library, among others.

4. “Lists of mining operators with valid licences and related minerals trade on private mineral buying centre and renewal of private mineral buying centres could also be accessed through the portal.”

5. According to the minister, “the portal is designed to serve as an input and decision support system to other entities of government MDAs.”
http://dailypost.ng/2017/11/10/spent-n700m-%E2%80%8Bto-develop-website-%E2%80%8Bfayemi/

Let me lay the above is simplistic tersm

1. First off, it will enable govt to establish every single extractive mineral in the country (GIS enabled) and put a value on it. As such govt can now know what revenue should have come in when a quantum of such is extracted. Monies goes straight to govt and well accounted for
2. Business Intelligence/Analytics can be connected to economic forecasts and planning. In some cases, we can sell resources underground for a future date at any agreed factor of variables (e.g. inflation, revaluation etc)
3. This will help in valuation. As we speak we do not even know the volume and value of minerals we have underground as they are not well tracked and reported in an organised manner. May be this is why we have struggled with getting investors in the sector and also why illegal miner have had their sway.
4. We can make sure that all miners are legal and illegal ones fished out. This also address increase in revenue to govt
5.Just like I mention in 2 above, the portal will help for example a typical minister of Budget and Economic planning to see other projected revenue sources 5yrs ahead of time, Minister of works can come up with a 25yr infrastructure road-map as he will have a better line-of-sight to the quantum volume of limestone and bitumen that can be extracted to accommodate such plans.

These are just few ones from a distant observer like me. People in the system will tell you more value-offerings. Now imagine the returns this is bound to bring to the country going forward and reconcile it with the N700m investment.....I leave you to judge that yourself

olatade:
700 million to develop a portal. Kilode?

Face cap lo de

deomelo:
Aregbe is jot owing anybody.


He's up to date and if you have any proof that he is, show us.

I am actually refering to the above level 12 officers who are on modulated arrangements.

greenek:
why somebody would misquote you for this post.

when using technical terms, try to put your correspondent in view, ask yourself questions and be very logical..
whats ERP?
you can help us to properly buttress what this is. its not a website, then what is it
what makes it justify the cost
someone earlier gave a little breakdown, 200mil to design, maintain and train for 2yrs, your $1.6m is for what?

Let me put this in perspective. I think the first place to start is to use google, or ask those who are in the business what ERP is and what value an ERP project will cost a medium to large-size organisation? Secondly for you to ask what ERP is, signifies that you are not conversant with the software/solution projects. If this premise is correct then making bold statements to adduce fraud to the cost of deployment of a solution portal is somewhat deceptive. I believe a simple and honourable thing to have done is to first ask if this is realistic and let those that have knowledge in it explain (who knows? it might be bloated). To now make bold and assertive statements and claim it is fraud (on a totally ignorant premise) But when someone says "visit the website and tell me if it is worth N700m...." just tells me such a person is totally ignorant and arrogantly displaying his ignorance

So the ERP project I superintended consisted of the following
1. Financials
2. HR
3. Supply Chain
4. Materials Management
5. Logistics

Now all these work at the background, but most solutions are web-enabled, so what you see at the front-end is just a web pages, making it look like you simply launch a website. In software business, licensing cost takes a huge chunk. This is where you're really paying for the intellectual property/patented knowledge. If my memory serves me right we paid over 350k Euros for the first 50 user license(phase 1) and 420k upgraded to 150users at phase 2, then you pay deployment cost, annual maintenance, updates and upgrades, training (some of your users are flown abroad for training). Then when you consider user support, which is billed per hour, the cost keep going up

Pls note, I cannot give you fine details beyond this level, as this is my company's confidential information. I hope this serves.....

ivandragon:
yawns...

visit the website/portal whatever you wish to call it & tell me if it justifies the amount claimed to have been expended.


you chaps just make noise & beat your chest on the dumbest things...


yourself & the noisemaker called throwback who is fastest becoming a retarded defender of corruption, need to just shut it...


you all feel its worth 700m? fine... whatever makes you chaps happy...

Ok, we can safely confine you to the abyss of ignorant trolls on NL, limited/no exposure, no experience and arrogantly ignorant

ivandragon:

Throwback: :


Illiterates should only speak on basic topics that can be argued at a beer parlour.

Spending $2m on a portal depending on what the complexities of it are and what level of integrated database is required, is not a child's play.

The ministry has itself revealed this information freely to the public, to prevent the likes of you from making a mockery of serious business initiatives as some scandal that has been exposed.

keep quite & stop being an ignoramus...

have you visited the website to see if it justifies that amount?


have you forgotten that there was an uproar when this amount was said to have been budgeted for website in 2016? so why won't it boldly come out to say so when it had been padded ab initio... same way the $25b NNPC will be defended by the likes of you when they tell Nigerians that they have executed $25b in thin air...


you just keep jumping up & down to defend rubbish simply because it is your preferred thieves doing the looting...

@ivandragon ,

I think the challenge @Throwback is innately throwing at you to to come up with the technical justification that the cost is not worth it. This pre-supposes a good knowledge of an integrated GIS portal solutions especially as applicable in the extractive industry. If you can show that justification, then it's going to be education to us all.

BUT.........

Your first gaffe is calling it a "website"......... secondly saying "visiting the website" will give you the impression of the cost...to me shows you are total ignorant in this regard.

I worked in the IT field for the first 9yrs of my life, I was involved with and led enterprise project implementation. We invested over $1.6m on ERP for a single organisation..... so when "you people" call it "website", I laugh at your ignorance

ibabz:
I believe part of the loan was used to finance that Opon gbese (imo). Over 6b naira was spent on that project. Tell us if you can, the state of Opon gbese today? I remember how the project was praised and defended by the zombies. Unfortunately, children unborn would be the ones to pay back the loan incurred by a foo. lish governor and supported by people with dead brains.

For your information, I worked with USAID for 2yrs and when I talk, I talk from experience, not from something one idiot (sponsored) published on the pages of newspapers.

Kabo.........

now run along you despicable insect. You are intellectually bereft for me to commit my time to you

donproject:
tribalism and Nigerians are like 5 and 6...omo oduwa(omo naija....to me, no omo igbo, or omo hausa, or omo yoruba) nimi, ba ti beru la bomo, ka sise....you know what that means.

Se "eru" nie ni?

PVision2020:
Baba, oto oro ko ni ka ma so o un. Ti Omo ba se daada in some aspect, give him kudos for it. You may have a different political affiliation to his...of course I'm also slightly bias towards Omisore (I schooled in IFE and I stayed among his supporters and families for up to 4years).
Mind you I'm very passive towards politics and I have never voted before.
But the thing you should ask yourself is that:
1. Is Aregbe the only Governor owing workers in Nigeria?
2.Is Osun state the only indebted state in Nigeria?
3.which state can boast of Osun's infrastructural development in the whole of Nigeria relative to their income (debt included)?
In the land of the blind, the one eyed man becomes king.
Aregbe too should focus more on human development and not only infrastructural development

I however love the fact that we scrutinise, criticise and hold our leaders accountable here In the west. Unlike some other places.

This is also my charge to Aregbe. He should use the next bailout to clear all the remaining 25-50% of the senior civil servants........ lobatan!

aribisala0:
obviously a spomsored thread
Rubbish!

See why you should stay in school?

ibabz:
...error! error! Zombie identified! Zombie identified. It's not difficult to identify a zombie. They don't have brain and they think everyone should reason as such. Please Mr. Economics, can you educate us how and how long would a state with less than N2bn monthly IGR pay up a debt of N170b?

Can you list what those loans where used for? Since you know Osun that much, tell what the money was used for? Maybe we can start analysing each project per cost. Your government can not increase IGR but debt profile and you believe it's justified? I'm sorry for this country.

Unfortunately for you, I cannot condescend to your level of ignorance and stu.pidity debating with you on what you should have picked up in school. I normally save my energy for worthy NLers with functioning intellect

soldierboi16:
I think this stupid and gullible aregbe has paid some people to say rubbish here on Nairaland
Come to Osun and see wats going on ursef
U can't just decide the faith of a stupid governor by those gullible pictures
A good Government is a government DAT manages the stomach infrastructure of the masses and provide a good life for them not destroying good roads/schools to build his own structures aimed at embezzling. haba how can u say u constructed a road not up to 1 km for 5 billion (freedom park) when all the money allocated to the state monthly is 2bn
A lot of people who has invested their life's in working for the government are now rotting away many are dead just because of your own agenda of embezzling money.
Have never heard in the history for a government to owe workers for A year and still they go to work. Aregbe do u wish that for UE descendants and the federal government keep sending bailout to ease the state from hunger but his selfish ambitions would not let him think of the hungry masses rather he prefer to build roads worth 500milliin and claim he built it 5billions
well all I know is that God is greater than anybody and is patiently waiting to judge the oppressors and I pray may those ones I've caused havoc to their life's live to see u rot on earth bfre rotting in hell

O ye people, see the bi-product of half education

Supercoo:
Aregbesola CANNOT and will never be compared to Fashola and Ambode. Just because he commissioned a school, you are praising him.
Osun people will never forget him for his prodigal nature and inconsiderate treatment of Osuns.
Aregbesola my foot!

Prodigal nature? Haba! people don't know what they want. You want to eat your tomorrow today? Don't worry, your children will continue to bless him in the future

ibabz:
Honestly I don't know how Nigerians reason, especially our youth. The purpose of education is to develop your reasoning capacity but unfortunately when I see the way the so called educated young people reason I don't think this country has a future.

This is a governor that has plucked his state into heavy indebtedness. A state with monthly IGR of N1.37b and has about N147b debt profile. Even if all the monthly allocation is used to pay off the debt, it would take the more than 15yrs to pay back.

This man has used the allocations of 4 governors and people are praising him?

I hope and pray we wouldn't wake up one day and see Osun State for sale on OLX or on EBay for auction.

I think the bolded part is actually applicable to you and not anybody else. If you struggle to rationalise the nexus between debt to finance infrastructural development and a future economic viability of a state, then you are the one that needs to seek knowledge. The last time we checked Osun state though heavily indebted, is not one of the states classified as not generating enough to keep it afloat

derrick015:
This man is really trying he's building on massive gigantic school at Ila orangun where I am currently serving... in fact I have never seen a structure like that for a secondary in my life

The one at Power-line in Osogbo is mega-massive. It's almost like a replica of a mega school I saw in Johannesburg

GavelSlam:

ezex: :
We need more Industries not schools

The kids should go straight to the factories.
Who school epp?
Some of you reason upside-down.

Ofemannnu:
He really tried.If he had gotten real capital,I bet....Lagos will envy OSUN STATE.An elderly man took me there last year and he was all praise for AREGBESOLA.The only snag is capital.Sometimes,I compare Osun state with America,BIG DEBT and LARGEST PROJECTS.They are twins.

I like your submission. I personally have been a "beneficiary" of this concept. Just imagine the time when the debt would have been fully paid, what prosperity these new infrastructures will attract to Osun

moscobabs:
has aregbesola done test for the teachers before he employed them to that school?

I imagine this is where every governor is going to arrive at. When you look at the "depth of ignominy" in the Kaduna teachers, every state needs to test their teachers. No wonder educational standard in Nigeria worsened over the years.

Ladies & Gentlemen,

This story is runs far back and its deeper than this. For those that followed this story in the 90s/2000s, this report is a misrepresentation what was in the news.

1. the girl in question was a matured woman that traveled with a fake passport. She was not 13, but much older.

2. Godwin Opara's wife was his Manager back in the playing days, she also managed his money

3. Godwin accused her of mismanaging his money, and that she secretly acquired properties in her name


4. Yes, Godwin slept with the house-girl....... but there is another gist that madam was secretly catching her trips. She it was who reported to the authorities that Godwin was sleeping with a minor, exploiting the gap of the passport age.

5. Well both Godwin and wife were jailed, the wife had a lighter sentence. Godwin's defense that the girl is over 20 years old was rejected as the age om the passport was considered.

6. I lost track of the story after they were sentenced...this woman is not clean

icon8:

Bhelamblog: :
If your thinking Psquare will return, give up dear, They ain't returning, the brothers just put the Mansion they bought together up for sale,

The Mansion which cost over a billionaire, was one of the most talked about early this year, with Even Dangote present at the Opening.

But there seems to be a complete break out, they were both living in the Mansion with their wives and kids, But they have put it up for sale, so they can go their separate ways. Quite sad..
see below!

News From Ebiwali-- http://www.ebiwalismoment.com/2017/11/psquare-breakup-peter-paul-okoye-put.html



Cc: lalasticlala

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Fynestboi MissyB3

OP, kontinu...(@ the bolded)

madridguy:
So no elder from their father or mother side that can talk to them?

you too speak my mind

Adaowerri111:
I knew it won't last, it's a situation of two captains in one ship.

My tots xactly. I also think Iyanya is "lazy" on the business side of music. He should float his own label, and bring up smaller boys, rather than "donating" his juice to some other. Even "small boys" like Falz have that end covered almost from the get to go