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lol we broke the stadium.

Beaf:
There is absolutely nothing wrong with writing in French, Portuguese or even better, one of our beautiful Nigerian languages if after all the explanations, you still don't get it. Please lets move, there's a topic to be handled (even if its Al-Qaeda like).

LMAO! Truly pathetic.

Beaf:
So nice of you to remember you are Nigerian, it leaves a really warm, bubbly feeling. I was beginning to think some of you were counterfeit Jews.

Indeed! Almost as much as one thinking you were a wannabe Palestinian.

[quote author=bk/babe97 link=topic=456665.msg6158829#msg6158829 date=1275758929]Lol. Understandably, not everybody will be as coherent and articulate as Obama, some people just gotta be like Peter Griffin or Homer Simpson! Monkey, Mr "Wannabe be intelligent Nigerian Jew", WHERE THE HELL DID I SAY U QUOTED THE BIBLE"?!?! Dude, you didnt have to say the Jews are God's people; ITS WRITTEN ALL OVA your STATEMENTS! Do not divert attention, please! I asked a simple question, and until u can answer it I got no words for you, so dont bother replying me u neanderthal: IF THE JEWS ARE GOD'S PEOPLE, BLACK MAN, WHO ARE YOU??!![/quote]Kids this person is clearly an example of why you should avoid mind altering substances. bk/jizz97, take some pills please before you start hallucinating.

Beaf:
Jesu! Is it that you are used to conversing in French or your native language or are just pretending to be the most useless English speaker on Earth? If life in the West Bank is better than in Gaza in the way you described, doesn't that make it a Paradise? Damn!

This is getting rather boring if slightly entertaining. Instead of admitting you dropped the ball, you replied with that crap? You are embarrasing yourself.

For the record, this is what I said.

Mariory:
So true. Let us not forget that the Palestinians have two claims to territory. Gaza and the West Bank. The problem with Gaza is Hamas, as indeed Egypt too will testify. They didn't close their side of the border for nothing.

Other issues like Jerusalem, the disputed settlements, the border issues. All can be negotiated upon. Of that there is no doubt. I think we can both agree that Israel is here to stay. Having said that, how do you overcome the problem of Hamas, who insist Israel must cease to exist? That is the problem. Everything else is negotiable in theory.

Plus, why do you ask davidylan to provide a way out of the situation?

I would really love to know, Mr Good English speaker, which statement in my quote implies the West Bank is paradise?

I will leave you again with your own words.

Beaf:
Go and hide! When people are guilty of stuff, they write gazillions of more stuff to cover up.

Can Israel transfer the aid to Nigeria since Hamas doesn't want it?

Gaza

Life expectancy at birth:
Field info displayed for all countries in alpha order.
total population: 73.68 years
country comparison to the world: 110
male: 72.05 years
female: 75.4 years (2010 est.)

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/gz.html

Nigeria

Life expectancy at birth:
Field info displayed for all countries in alpha order.
total population: 47.24 years
country comparison to the world: 220
male: 46.46 years
female: 48.08 years (2010 est.)

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ni.html

Gaza

Life expectancy at birth (years), 2008
74

http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/oPt_statistics.html

Nigeria

Life expectancy at birth (years), 2008
48

http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/nigeria_statistics.html

Sudan

Life expectancy at birth (years), 2008
58

http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/sudan_statistics.html

Somalia

Life expectancy at birth (years), 2008
50

http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/somalia_statistics.html

Ikomi:
This is the whacked sentiment people try to profer that just does not ryhme, who has called for violence, the aim is calling to attetion the fact that the Isreali imposed blockade of Gaza is illegal.

If anyone wanted violence they would have fitted machine guns to their boats, why are these littel things so hard for you guys to understand.

Dear God! So your definition of violence is a gun? Using a knife on another person isn't violence? Using a stick on another person isn't violence? Using a stone on another person isn't violence? Using a metal bar on another person isn't violence? Using flash bangs on another person isn't violence? You know I think I now understand the "littel" things you speak of. I now understand.

Anyways, the aid on the ship will now be transferred by land and may be refused by Hamas as with the previous cargo. Judging by the following statistics, this is understandable.

Life expectancy at birth:
Field info displayed for all countries in alpha order.
total population: 73.68 years
country comparison to the world: 110
male: 72.05 years
female: 75.4 years (2010 est.)

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/gz.html

Life expectancy at birth (years), 2008
74

http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/oPt_statistics.html

Life expectancy at birth (years), 2008
48

http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/nigeria_statistics.html

Life expectancy at birth (years), 2008
58

http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/sudan_statistics.html

Life expectancy at birth (years), 2008
50

http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/somalia_statistics.html

Can Israel transfer the aid to Nigeria since Hamas doesn't want it?

To bring this back on topic. Surprise Surprise! Hamas is refusing to accept the aid. Is it that they don't need it, or Hamas doen't care about the "starving" people of Gaza? And no there is no UN or international anger over this.
This is the Hamas some people on here are aimlessly trying to defend. Isn't it rather ironic after all the initial fuss? Sometimes you just have to laugh.

Hamas has said it would refuse to accept any aid from the Israeli-intercepted flotilla as long as the blockade remained in place.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100605/ap_on_re_mi_ea/gaza_blockade#mwpphu-container

Ikomi:
May your lies know no end. Well edited stage played video. Little wonder how people could be brain washed, it only takes a willling mind who wants to be brain washed.

The truth is hard to swallow. Even those on board the ship now see their lies does not wash anymore. You can keep trying to spin though. It's entertaining.

I laugh as I watch people try to spin the truth. It really is amazing. Anyways the ship has been towed to Israel with no violence. This will make some people very angry.

Israeli troops say they have taken control of an aid ship trying to break the blockade of the Gaza Strip.

Israel's military says soldiers boarded the Irish-owned Rachel Corrie from the sea and did not meet any resistance.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/10245176.stm

[quote author=bk/babe97 link=topic=456665.msg6154578#msg6154578 date=1275689792]My words? lOL. hahahaha. The lies of the exposed! Scroll thru the whole posts on this issue, flip thru your beloved Bible, how many times do u see "the Jews are God's people" scattered all ova? lol. I guess the Bible that says it, which u could kill ova, are my words too. Freaking Black fanatic. Lunatic! The Arabs have the Quran, The Jews have the Torah, The white man has the Bible: BLACK MAN WHAT DO YOU HAVE?!? But u will gladly kill for all these people that dont give a rat's aszz about your black, ugly, gorrilla, looking self! I ask again IF THE JEWS ARE GOD'S PEOPLE, BLACK MAN, WHO ARE YOU??!!? Inferiority complex at its best, man without an identity![/quote]This is what dementia does to a person. Show me where I quoted the bible? Show me where I said the Jews are God's chosen people? Poor insane fool.

Sorry no violence this time. Probably because there are no Islmalic fundamentalists on board. Maybe next time huh?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100604/ap_on_re_mi_ea/gaza_blockade

Irish Nobel Peace Prize laureate Mairead Corrigan, who was on the ship with other activists, said they were determined to press on but would offer no resistance if Israeli forces came aboard.

"We will sit down," she told The Associated Press in a telephone interview from the ship. "They will probably arrest us , But there will be no resistance."

kaecy5:
well a link from a confession by an Aljazerra camera man. he said the peaceful activist over powered the israelli commados b4 the commandos decided to attack.

sorry for long piece


http://alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LDE6521UG.htm

No surprise there. The videos are clear as day despite how some have attempted to dance around it. They really have no choice but, to admit it. I like the fact that the Israeli's not only released their own video's but, those of the protesters as well. They have learnt well that human emotion can overrule logic. And of course, they had the power of youtube.

Check out this link as well. They are gradually changing their version of events from "Israel fired first"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100604/ap_on_re_mi_ea/gaza_blockade

Israeli claims the activists ambushed the commandos after they descended onto the board from helicopters on Monday, and the military and Turkish TV have released videotape that backs up that claim. Returning activists admitted fighting with the Israeli commandos but insisted their actions were in self-defense because the ships were being boarded in international waters by a military force.

[quote author=bk/babe97 link=topic=456665.msg6153463#msg6153463 date=1275678008]Unlike u, dummy, I know religion is a sham, a political tool! Two brothers get to beefing in the middle of the desert guess who struts ova picking sides; The freakin' African! You think those two give a f*uck about u? lol. In your deluded mind! I ask u again: IF THE JEW ARE GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE, BLACK MAN, WHO THE HELL ARE YOU!?!? Inferiority complex at its best![/quote]Shut your noise hole you bumbling fool! Go sit on something pointy to take your feeble mind off whatever's in your pants. You should have remembered that the Middle East is not your bussiness before giving yourself wood and throwing insults in my direction.
Calling the Jews "God's chosen people" are your words. But, rest assured your worthless opinion has been quickly disregarded. Stup¡d slowpoke.

kaecy5:
well another ship, 2 infact are on their way to Israel, if they have 2 heads let them cross that line and lets see if all wont die.

if they are jobless in their own country they should go look for some where else to attack. next week would be more interesting.

These guys are from actual peace activists and not from the IHH in Turkey. I expect they will put up passive resistance only as has happened in the past. Still, the world is full of surprises.

Beaf:
I am assuming you never saw this post where a representative of the journalists Worldwide is claiming that IDF videos are (to put it bluntly), forgeries?
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-454471.608.html#msg6151792

Are you intentionally misquoting people again? So these video's taken by journalists on the ship were staged? Are you suggesting that the people in the videos are actors on a set somewhere in Israel replicating events on the flotilla? Is that what you are suggesting?

What I saw him say was that the Israeli's are only showing parts of the events that confirms their side of the confrontation only. Well the reporters had live feeds as we have seen. So they would have transmitted their shots of the confrontation to thier networks. They can either show that, or keep whining until the Israeli's release their equipment.

That's their problem. They should have shown all events has it happened. What were they waiting for? Why do we have to rely on the Israeli's releasing footage of what happened during the violence? These guys claimed to be independent.  

Instead they were showing us footage of helicopters circling overheard and Israeli commandos on the brigde, and of course, bloody streaches and injured activists.

In fact Israel should keep the videos until they have gone through every single frame. I'm sure they are fiding information which will prove useful in thier inquiry.

Beaf:
What exactly is the lie? I said you are claiming that life in the West Bank is better (which you have just said again)  Or do you just want to say something?. . . Anything?
Go and hide! When people are guilty of stuff, they write gazillions of more stuff to cover up. What exactly did you mean with this?
Even to the blind, it is obvious that you are implying that life in the West Bank is better.

That is exactly what I wrote and ment in contrast to what you tried to potray. I have highlighted your own comments in the faint hope that you will take off the blinkers and note they apply to you yourself.

This is what you said.

Beaf:
Of course to you, the West Bank is Paradise, isn't it?
Before Hamas, was the West Bank free or any of Palestine free? Have you ever heard of Yasser Arafat?

So please inform me again where I said the West Bank is a paradise.

I've found some more footage. Video is of chatter between Israeli forces as they come under live fire on the ship. Video released by IDF
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFGuwUGaI9o&hl=en_GB&fs=1&rel=0[/flash]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFGuwUGaI9o

MyJoe:
I agree Hamas is and is likely to be a problem. But I do not share the view of those who equate Hamas with Al Qaeda.

I havn't seen anyone make such a claim on this thread (could be wrong, havn't read through all responses) so this is a non issue.

Beaf:
How hard is it to find what you wrote? Someone complained about the apartheid situation in Gaza and you made it seem that life in the West Bank is much better. You actually said that the problem in Gaza is Hamas, thats why I asked you about a little history. Life has never been different for the Palestinians, it is worse than what obtained in apartheid South Africa.

That is a blatant lie. I did no such thing. Don't try to confuse issues by intentionally misquoting me. What I stated is that life in the West Bank right now is much better than life in Gaza. And the reason for that is Hamas. Pure and Simple. The fact that the only Palestinian supporter state that shares a border with Gaza also closed it's border (except for certain types of humanitarian aid) clearly demonstrates this. You can try to dance around this fact all you want but, there is no getting away from it.

Before Hamas forcefully took over by murdering Fatah members on the streets of the territory, Gaza had an economy, there were european monitors at the border crossings and the border with Egypt was open. Also Fatah had recognised Israel, Several militanats had signed agreements of peace with Israel, some had signed cease fires in order for negotiations to happen on the two state solution, and serious negotiations were going on in regards to the two state solution.

There were still issues with rocket fire into Israel from dissident militants and Israeli restrictions placed on Palestinians in the territories though and of course general living conditions in the territories but, there was relative peace.

Right now the Israeli's can negiotate with Fatah in the West Bank. But a Palestinian state cannot exist without Gaza. And Hams is in control of Gaza. And Hamas does not negotiate on recognising Israel. Thier charter calls for the elimination of Jews. On this premise Israel says it's acting to protect it's citizens by sealing off the territory.

Beaf:
Of course to you, the West Bank is Paradise, isn't it?
Before Hamas, was the West Bank free or any of Palestine free? Have you ever heard of Yasser Arafat?

Please kindly show where I suggested that and I will answer your two bolded questions. I await your reply. And yes, I have heard of Yasser Arafat.

Beaf:
[size=14pt]Why has Israel siezed and refused to release video's, films and camera's from independent journalists who were either with the flotilla or in nearby boats? Why? Is there something to hide?[/size]

[size=14pt]WHY IS THERE ONLY A SMALL SECTION OF FOOTAGE (FROM A TURKISH TV NETWORK) COMING FROM INDEPENDENT JOURNALISTS OF THE MOMENTS IMMEDIATELY BEFORE AND THE EXACT MOMENT THE COMMANDOS BOARDED THE SHIP WHEN MOST OF THESE JOURNALISTS WERE STREAMING LIVE?
WE HAVE SEEN FOOTAGE OF INJURED ACTIVISTS BEING TREATED ON THE SHIP BEFORE THE ISRAELIS HAD CONTROL. WE HAVE SEEN FOOTAGE OF JOURNALISTS REPORTING FROM ELSEWHERE ON THE SHIP WHILE THE CONFRONTATION WAS TAKING PLACE. BUT WE HAVE YET TO SEE WIDESPREAD FOOTAGE OF THE CONFRONTATION ITSELF FROM PEOPLE ON THE SHIP [color=Black]EXCEPT CLIPS OF THEIR FOOTAGE RELEASED BY THE IDF.[/color] THIS TO ME SUGGESTS THEY HAD FOOTAGE TO REPORT LIVE BUT THEY CHOOSE NOT TO.[/size]

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In the footage below, a reporter from Aljazera is reporting his own version of events while the confrontation is going on. This shows the press still had live data (communications) being feed while the violence took place before and after it escalated.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFEBbDkyrqQ&hl=en_GB&fs=1&rel=0[/flash]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFEBbDkyrqQ&feature=related

In this feed, we see only a small part of the actual confrontation, while the bulk of the video (edited) independent journalists chose to show us is of the aftermath. Again this clip was live from the ship.

[flash=430,300]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSFwyWyVo74&hl=en_GB&fs=1&rel=0[/flash]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSFwyWyVo74

Why are only the Israeli's showing footage of the actual confontation, some of which were consfisticated from these international journalists?

MyJoe:
The current circumstances under which Palestinians live is unsustainable, most thinking people would admit. A way out ought to be found out of the stalemate. One of these days Davidylan might tell us how he would go about this.

So true. Let us not forget that the Palestinians have two claims to territory. Gaza and the West Bank. The problem with Gaza is Hamas, as indeed Egypt too will testify. They didn't close their side of the border for nothing.

Other issues like Jerusalem, the disputed settlements, the border issues. All can be negotiated upon. Of that there is no doubt. I think we can both agree that Israel is here to stay. Having said that, how do you overcome the problem of Hamas, who insist Israel must cease to exist? That is the problem. Everything else is negotiable in theory.

Plus, why do you ask davidylan to provide a way out of the situation?

[quote author=bk/babe97 link=topic=456665.msg6150818#msg6150818 date=1275651407]Exact fucnking ly!!! Now, try to adhere to the sayings of that great man, wannabe Jew!!![/quote]Spoken like a true slowpoke. Wannabe Jihadist!

Romeo4real:
@Mariory -

What exactly is your point? That the "peace activists" chose to defend themselves from heavily armed soldiers attempting to ILLEGALLY board their boat? That they used sticks, metal bars, chains and knives to defend themselves, their boat and their property against soldiers armed with Colt AR-15 A3 Tactical Carbines capable of firing up to 800 rounds per minute? Soldiers who had NO right to board the ship?

IS that your point?

I have no interest in arguing this point again. This will just serve to cloud issues. My contributions to the legality of the interception were made on page 2 of this thread.

[quote author=bk/babe97 link=topic=456665.msg6149080#msg6149080 date=1275631737]mR Mariory, STFU!!! He's right: Israel is a people NOT a Place!!! The Jews themselves will tell u!


Really dont have time to explain it all to u; go do some research u'll "get it" then![/quote]"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln

Afam:
You see video footages that begin showing where the activists were attacking the commandos but not when the commandos got to them.

In this videos the commandos are not even on the Ship yet. Yet we see them being attacked with Water hoses, Catapults, Flashbangs, and other objects. We also see them waiting on the deck of the ship with metal bars, metal chains, and chairs. In the first video, we see Isreali commandos attacked as soon as they land on the ship. Only the first video was taken by the IDF. The other two were shot by people on the ship.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo&hl=en_GB&fs=1&rel=0[/flash]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo

[flash=425,300]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6sAEYpHF24&hl=en_GB&fs=1&rel=0[/flash]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6sAEYpHF24

[flash=425,300]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZlSSaPT_OU&hl=en_GB&fs=1&rel=0[/flash]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZlSSaPT_OU

You should know hypocrisy is not topic dependant. Besides, the two topics were next to each other so it was hard not to point it out.

4 Play:
Is this not the same Beaf and Afam who think the flotilla deaths were an outrage defending Robert Mugabe, the man who massacred thousands of innocents in Matabeleland? Because Mugabe has framed his desperate attempts to hang on to power in the mode of a war against western imperialism, these people have swallowed the kool aid like a bunch of suckers.

Funny isin't it? Oh how things quickly change when Israel is not involved. Doesn't seem to me like Mugabe used proportionate force. Doesn't seem to me like MEND use proportionate force.

Footage of weapons retrived from the ship and onboad footage of how the "peace" activists obtained the metal pipes they used to attack IDF troops. one of the knives has blood on it. Video consfisticated and released by the IDF

[flash=425,300]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16sANhzjcC0&hl=en_GB&fs=1&rel=0[/flash]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16sANhzjcC0