₦airaland Forum

Kenn55:
He is messing up. I can forgive him for the mismanagement of the pandemic after all almost every western country made the same mistake. Nobody up till that point has managed a global pandemic of that magnitude. Even China economy hasn't recovered from the effect of that pandemic.

I'm voting against him mainly cos of the carbon tax he has so far refused to rescind across board. We can't fight climate change with tax and spend policy, it should rather be technology driven. He is becoming too ideologically stiff without applying common sense.

You know he's just a figure head, nothing more, right?

JagabanB:
That's true and they are all millionaires now, isn't it?
Cleaners are so rich that means bank managers, factory managers, plant directors in Canada are all billionaires, isn't it?

No vex. It'd pain me too if I found out an ordinary cleaner in Canada lives better than 99% of the country.

JagabanB:
Some of u dón't know how to read, did u read the post?
That's very true, even a garbage cleaner there earns more than the presîdent of Nîgerià.
That's how u folks misIead people to sûffèr.

A cleaner in Canada can make about 60k Canadian dollar per year. That's about 36 million naira per year. Not to mention this particular cleaning job comes with benefits and a government pension plan for your old age. I know of cleaners personally who made over 100k dollars with overtime


https://jobs.toronto.ca/jobsatcity/job/toronto-COURIER-CLEANER-ON-m/576530317/

IbeOkehie:
I honestly wish I knew enough about the trades like CDL, nursing, plumbing, metal work, carpentry and mechanics in my early days in this country.

Good Luck to you.

You and Oga steel are even doing too much. A regular blue collar job, preferably a government job, will pay you over 100k dollars per year with slight overtime. These jobs comes with paid vacation and a nice government pension, a guaranteed salary for Life until you die. And what's the qualification ? Just secondary school. It's also a essential service, so job security is there.

Any newcomer here. I sit them down, and try to educate them. Their biggest fear is what people back home would say if they find out they drive an ordinary bus for a living lol. Someone that would be making over 100k dollars per year is worried about what some poor peasants back home will say about them ? Imagine. That is why it's funny when people try to insult people abroad saying they clean toilets or whatever. They'll never see the salary of that toilet cleaner here. And yes even if you acknowledge they're getting paid in dollars, and spending dollars here. A toilet cleaner here is still more wealthy and enjoys a better life than a "big boy" in naija.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/415-bus-drivers-sunshine-list-1.5505087

IbeOkehie:
Ahhhh, another blast from the past. Just look at that...₦400K/month in 2017. OK, let's assume your "friend" has already hit the envisaged peak income of ₦800K/month, would he be better off in Nigeria TODAY? With salary of $700/month?



Here's hoping he made the right choice.

Good Luck to Nigerians!!!

They don't understand things are only getting worse !!

IbeOkehie:
Wow this is a very good and reasonably accurate Anti-Japa comment. Thanks a lot for putting it up.

I've lived in the USA for over 30 years. I've relocated back to Nigeria, re-migrated back to USA. I've observed children grow from birth to adulthood in both Nigeria and USA/UK, I've consorted with the poor and rich and I think I have a reasonable handle on the issues. To use the popular witticism, I've seen it all.

The major suppressing factor against wealth building for Nigerians living abroad is their financial commitments to Nigeria in general and their relatives in particular. The sad part of all this is that most people in Nigeria have a passionate hatred for any diasporan relative who is helping them. I've seen and experienced this personally over many years and generations. You can even get a sense of it on this Nairaland. You can smell the hatred and JEALOUSY. I could tell you some very terrible stories.

There was a close friend I once travelled with to Nigeria. He had $60K on his person, declared and everything. Ordinary worker, not involved in any fraud or crime. He got to Nigeria and gave the money to his brother who lives in Nigeria to hold, deposit or change to naira. Do you know that to this very moment I'm talking to you, he's not seen that money again. This was over 15 years ago. And that's not anywhere near the worst case I've personally witnessed.

There's a doctor that wanted to buy land, it was $70K. He saw the land and in the village, sometimes you go with your people to negotiate. Anyway, he paid and all that was left was the final ceremony called "iwa nnu", it may have different names among other Igbo clans. He went back to the USA and left his brother to do the rite.

When the day came, his brother told the seller the doctor was no longer interested. The seller returned the money and the doctor hasn't seen a dime of it till today. Me myself I couldn't actually believe the thing o, even till now. And the doctor, well he's a rich guy, he just laughs about it.

So my advice to diasporans, I preach it here to all the people in my social circle, is to leave Nigeria and Nigerians alone. At the most, build a small tiny house in the village or maybe the city if your (extended) family has no house at all. The ONLY time a diasporan should start putting money into Nigeria is when they have an annual income of at least $250K for a single person or $300K per family. Or have a net worth of over $500K.

The ONLY thing a diasporan should aim to do for relatives is to bring them to the USA or wherever they want to migrate to. Make it a priority, work on it desperately until it's done. Give them that credible choice to come and earn for themselves and if they feel Nigeria is better, good for them, that frees you from any dependency.

All those your claims of poverty for people abroad, well if that's what you feel that's fine. If Nigerians abroad are so poor, how do they remit $10 to $25 billion per year? Even the Nigerian Federal Government's total revenue in 2022 wasn't over $15 billion. That your uncle who spends enough money to transport 4 or 6 people to Nigeria, I hope he earns over $250K/yr? If he earns less, he's just foolish, not poor. I was once like him, so I kinda understand.

Right now it will cost him over $15K to make a holiday trip to Nigeria assuming one has to ship in a car and make other sundry preparations. Why not save that, add some more and put a down payment on a small house in America that can grow in value over time...instead of wasting it on a useless trip to go and spend dollars on jealous and hateful relatives in the village.

Anyway I've lived the reality and I know that Nigeria's title as the Poverty Capital of the World is well deserved.

Have a good day and Good Luck to Nigerians.

I recently had a family house stolen. Parents house, who passed away. Before the dead body was in the ground, this relative found a way to sell off the house. We assumed he took a loan against the house. Took the money and ran. While the bank took over the house then sold it. It was by accident I found out as another family member asked why we sold the house.

Imagine. Someone who's mother died from child birth, but we trained and paid his school fees, food, literally everything. My mother took him as her child the day his mother died. It was actually God sent. We just sat down and started to laugh. The typical person who lives in naija is an idiot who only thinks of today. They think they're sharp, but they are really stupid.

We asked him to calculate how much money we sent him in the past, and how much money we planned to send him in the future. We were helping him with his Canadian papers. Paying for applications, hiring an immigration lawyer, etc. We told him after you chop the few million naira in a few years then what ? You're only in your early 30's. You better hope whichever "business" (aka an unemployed youth hoping something works out for them), you're getting into, it better work out.

It's when he realized what he did was penny smart, pound foolish. He then ran back and begged to pay the money back. We said it's ok, keep it. Go party and tell your guys how your family in Canada are stupid. It's amazing because we're officially done with our "African bill". Literally no more obligations to anyone there, and no real reason to ever go back. I still have people there, but they're not really my obligation. It's as if I paid off my mortgage.

I was able to relate to your post. Most people there are demons who'd kill you in a second for $1. They are extremely jealous of us who escaped that zoo.

Validated:
If you have a good certification, still in your thirties or below 40, or even early forties, you are able to save up to N10m and have a child or two children and not a political actor or a clergy of a big church, may I ask, "What are you still waiting for"?

You see, 7 months ago, your N10m was about $22K. Now, it is only about $8590. However bad, it could still take you to UK, atleast. Then you can begin sorting your life. Even if you have a business, it will be eroded soon.
What the likes of GSK, P&G, Unilever, Suntory, etc are saw or are seeing and moving should give you signal that this train is headed to a total anarchy.

Even if you do not love yourself, for the sake of your family, move. There is no hope in the foreseeable horizon. I am not a doomsday prophet, but if you understand the times, you know that things are going to get worse.

10 years ago, I called a friend and advised him to come over to Canada. He said he is not going to another man's country to "slave". He would rather come and visit and enjoy holidays. Funny enough his subordinate took the initiative. His (surbordinate) wife got a scholarship and in two years he relocated and he and his family now lives big in Ontario.

Fastforward to 2023, my friend is now in his early-50s, he has lost his job, his tottering business is now almost moribund. No thanks to Tinubu's economic janglova. Now, he is asking me to help him and his family relocate. 4 adults (Him, his wife and 2 children). How?

My reply may be brutal abd unfair, "Bro, you are 10 years late". He is now franticky looking towards the UK, looking for buyers of his inheritance, but the Tories are locking the gate on Dec 31, 2023. Not sure if he can still make it across.

My advice, if you can leave this sinking ship, please do ASAP. Today, it is armed robbery and kidnapping. In few years, a reminisce of the 1000000 boys will resurface.

Someone is going to come here to preach that it is not rosy out there. Yes, at first it will be rough. With time you will get along, learn the system, culture, then boom, you will just know you made a bold move. Nigeria is not getting better soon. Atleast, not with the huge debts and dwindling revenues that is over 50% channelled to debt servicing. Not with over 45% budget deficits to be financed on loans. Not with low purchasing power of the populace. Not with this "owambe" government. Not when our oil production is already swapped for loans for next 5 years and steeply declining productivity.

No, not with a Tinubu that does not understand productivity.

I have the same experience. I have many friends who left Canada and went back after school. Instead of staying to get citizenship. They were the naija 4 life crowd. They'd even laugh at me saying I couldn't make it in naija. As for me, if a building is on fire and I escape it, why would I run back in ? Years go by and they were forming online pretending everything was good.

10 years later, those who were able to run back, all cameback to Canada. They had to borrow money to even afford their Japa back to Canada. Most couldn't afford it and live EVERYDAY with regrets. The ones who cameback have to start their hustle from the start. Meanwhile, me and the Mrs are comfortable with 2 properties (1 is being rented out), government jobs with job security and amazing benefits, Canadian passports, small pikin with an already bright future. My point is YOU CANNOT BUY BACK TIME. Don't waste your time forming naija 4 life. Always do what's in you and your families best interests. The ones who were fortunate to return cannot believe how they wasted 10 years of their lives going back to naija. Literally no progression in 10 years. Anyone who lives in a developed nation knows how much you can accomplish in 10 years.

The ones here who are against japa are mainly bitter and unhappy. You know the guy that couldn't get the babe. So he starts insulting her ? Trust me, give them a Canadian passport tomorrow, watch how fast They'd be on the next plane out.

You don't know how much your mental health is being affected in naija, until you move to sane country where everything works

TCD:
Hello everyone.

Is a gross salary of 50,000 CAD per annum considered a good salary for somwhere like Ottawa? Can one live a comfortable life with that?

You'd be able to make ends meet depending on your lifestyle. But it's a decent salary for Ottawa.

FiverrTutor:
Talk about your bills dammit!!!! I'm tired hearing this same lame talk about making $5000 a month overseas.. Some of us here have traveled to several countries and we know how its like.... Stop deceiving young folks here!! Tell them the whole truth dumbo!!!!

Ewu who doesn't pay bills ? People for naija live for free ? The bills in naija are much more.
If someone thinks they can come abroad with all the luxuries, and not pay any bills or taxes, they're not ready for abroad.

You also need to tell people the truth Dumbo. Your taxes here literally take care all of the essentials; unlike in naija

walkbrazil4k:
They would come here and lie and say they migrated legally that is why they are working as a supreme Court judge in calala, lol. We have many Nigerians abroad that migrated legally and they still do menial jobs,I remember a story of a lady here on nairaland she and her family migrated to Canada legally but they had to do factory jobs before they finally balanced well, so tell me didn't they migrate legally?

So you want her to land and become prime minister the next day ?

justwise:
You intentionally misconstrued what he was trying to say, i know you have issues Phrankleen but for God sake try to be open minded and stop this false propaganda.

I'm watching the video now and he put a disclaimer for people like you from the beginning

He is stating raw fact! People don't want to hear this, not everyone that leaves Nigeria to Canada or UK makes it or do better than their mates back in Nigeria.

He is not discouraging people rather narrating what is common among immigrants.

I'm not his biggest fan but i watch to learn and understand

Well if his father listened to his advice, he wouldn't have been born in France, while holding UK citizenship. He is bias and not balanced. Not everyone will succeed. We get it. If these same people were successful in Naija, they never would have left. But for some reason they get impatience when they're in Canada. The issue is, he never looks at the totality of everything. It's not always about money. He's not rich in the UK, so why isn't he back in Naija ? He's still in the UK because he's looking at the totality of everything for himself and children. He's a hypocrite !

Enemy of progress, Phrankleen, who posts fake stories on his YouTube page, and who still lives in the UK and REFUSES to return to Nigeria, is now saying Nigerians who migrated to Canada are facing massive unemployment. What is stopping them or Phrankleen from returning to Nigeria is beyond me. Other than employment, he never mentions a high quality of life, law/order, visa free travel with a Canadian passport, etc. Does Phtankleen have a point, or he's an enemy of progress ?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feFz4oF0Iq0

Ucmentor:
Canada seem to be a safe heaven for so many these days, well the government has constructively baked out unsuitable living conditions for the citizens of Nigeria hence the quick rush to migrate to Canada especially since the government has created a system to help people who deem it fit to increase the population and boost their economy in all ramifications...

Question is if everyone leaves now,,how do we fight our way out of this political and economic mayhem...

We all have one life to live. Gaining prosperity for your current family and generations down the line is all people care about. Nigeria and her prosperity should be the least of any Nigerian concerns; especially for a country that has never given a damn about you.

Dollywood:
Those 30k a year will multiply later, you know giving birth and making connections to your siblings so they can join you in Canada too.

Exactly. That 30k is easily 40 to 50k. By the time you sponsor you parents, help your siblings come, have kids, etc, is way more.

Gerrard59:
Considering the hype online, the stat is very low. Well, I can understand why sha.

Canada picks the top of the top who can contribute right away.

I know a few people who did this. They weren't suffering at all, but couldn't risk living in Nigeria with their wife or kids. So they come to Canada, get their PR with their kids and wife. They get them set up. He'll go back to naija to work, while flying back to Canada to be with their family. He'll eventually make the move permanently, after taking care of their affairs. They just couldn't risk leaving their family in Nigeria a second longer. But they'll all move to Canada for good without a doubt.

The man isn't telling the full story. He's selfish and a coward. I know a guy like this in Canada. He didn't get a good job originally and wanted to return to naija with his wife and kids. His wife brought him divorce papers and said she's not going anywhere with him, back to naija.

A few years later he finally got his dream job and they're doing good. He now realizes how foolish he was trying to leave Canada and going back to Nigeria. He admitted he was selfish at the time. Ladies never let a blind, incompetent man lead you.

tensazangetsu20:
Masa a lot of Nigerian grsduates are into business. Mini importation, fashion design, Shoe selling, making food and selling with social media and they are still broke.

How did they get the capital to start these businesses?

Jamestown123:
To me,the reasons is that, Nigeria has a lot of untapped opportunities. They are a lot of areas we haven't tapped into in this country, like the educational sectors, health services, and agricultural sectors. The problem we have in this country is that, we fail to look at opportunities presented to us, and instead want to join the sectors that are saturated already.

Please. A big multinational company will come and exploit the areas where money can be made. The average Nigerian doesn't anywhere to get capital even if they had an amazing business idea.

Nigeria is a broke country. Other than some natural resources which the 1 percent benefit from, or entertainment, again only the 1 percent benefit from, its a broke country. I laugh when people say don't leave an X (insert nonsense salary) job for Canada. If you can hustle and make money in naija, North America would be a joke for you. Interms of hustling.

RuudVanNisteroy:
You are spreading lies, foreign women have much worse attitudes. You didn't grow up with them and can't see it yet.

Nigerian women are actually more transparent,easy to read and are part of the successful immigrant stories in the country. Foreign women are more politically correct, even if they hate you and are racist will still smile in your face and that is how they deceive you fresh of the boat(FOB) Nigerians into worshipping them and slamming your own country women.

Na lie. Oyibo women for yankee sweet die. Nobody sends naija babes here. With their nasty attitude and pot bellle hanging over their toto

punisha:
If he likes let him welcome the rest of the world....if they ain't no policy to checkmate the influx, they will still suffer it. I trust Nigerians we no dey carry last.

Yes America should get out of other people's country and business. They make other countries poor.

79733139:
From what I have watched on border patrol, they act only on intelligence report. Someone reports a case and they move, or if an illegal gets arrested then they forward their case. There is no point stopping random people on the street.

Exactly. They're also undercover and wear plain clothes. No fancy uniforms. There's a lot in the Toronto area.

TheCongo2:
I always wonder how do people get arrested on immigration ground in Canada given that I never come across an inland immigration checkpoint in Canada.

The only places I have to deal with immigration are the port of entries when returning to Canada.

I have seen videos of the UK border agency and US immigration establishing inland checkpoint to deter illegal aliens. France has the same system as well where immigration officers would walk around a city checking people immigration status.

In Canada , the immigration doesn't check people inland. So, how do illegal immigrants get arrested and deported from Canada?

12 year ago, I met a student from Zambia who ended up by getting deported from Canada. How could this happen? I have no idea.

Another guy from Burundi got deported. Same question running into my mind.

They have all your details from DNA, biometric, address, etc. CBSA also has an inland division. Their sole job is to track down people who are suppose to be deported, but are hiding illegally. Lastly like someone said, if you're hiding they'll destroy your life. Everything is linked to your sin. They'll make sure you can't work, freeze bank accounts, etc. The border service knows what they're doing.

Europe does that because they're very racist. If a police randomly stops me, that's a lawsuit and that police will be disciplined.

babakb:
Besides it takes a very long time to get PR even if your asylum claims succeeds, most province in Canada don't grant PNP to Refugees...

It doesn't. You're officially a PR on paper at least, and will get all the benefits.

TheCongo2:
Hey maternal, question for you.
Do asylum seekers get detained in Canada?
I thought it was only in the US where a person seeking asylum could be detained.

If they're a danger to public safety or public health. So if you have a criminal record, a disease that can affect citizens, etc. But they must be satisfied with your identity before they even think of letting you go.

Gerrard59:
...until Nigerians topped the list of asylum seekers

That's not sneaking in. Its their right. Most have been deported or are sitting in a cell waiting to be deported. The US visa approval in which they came in from have bee reduced.

ednut1:
when usa, uk and Germany were doing normal. Only few people reason canada. Unlike those other countries canada has an aging population, women who prefer to own pets give birth. Has to choice really than to keep inviting people . Even employers most time have no choice than to employ migrants as they cant find alternatives.

Every western nation has an aging population. Germany didn't let all those arabs in because they are nice people. Canada is now popular because they don't play any games with people's lives and they're honest. If you have what we need or want, we'll give you PR. Then in 3 years if you behave yourself we'll give you citizenship. No games whatsoever. I have people in the US and UK running to Canada. They fell for the hype.

Gerrard59:
Wow! Three decades? Mehn, Canada is an outlier amongst western nations regarding immigration.

Back then and even till now Canada doesn't really advertise themselves like other developed nations. Hence why people use to run to America or UK, and they're now in Canada. Those countries are professional marketing firms. Also the stereotype that Canada is unberiably cold.

Lastly, Canada is surrounded by ocean to the east and west, then America to the south, and the north pole to the north. It's the hardest country to sneak into honestly.

salford1:
It seems like the reply was meant for a different post instead of mine.

Gladly. I lived in the UK for a couple of years before I moved to Canada. I had a university education in the UK; hence, the name Salford..

Anyway, where in my post did I mention that racism doesn't exist in Canada ? I said we detest racism, discrimination, Trump's style of politics e.t.c, atleast the majority of people here detest such.

Unlike the UK, Canada is a country of migrants meaning the majority of whites here are recent immigrants themselves. Within 2 years, I lost count of the amount of time I was told to go back to where I came from when I lived in the UK. Almost a decade here in Canada now and not one single incident.

Telling me not to get comfortable. GTFOH
Actually, I am getting very comfortable and even getting more comfortable as the day goes by. You can't really understand. I doubt if you have ever lived in Canada, so I will pardon your ignorance.

My only regret is that I discovered Canada later. I should have moved here for studies instead of going to the UK, but all my siblings live in London, England, so it was natural that I leaned towards UK before I thought of Canada. However, I have caught up with my peers here and doing great.

Cheers!

Ps: Canada has always accepted immigrants, mostly from Europe, Asia and Africa. People just do not fancy that it is an extremely cold country. I have met Nigerians that have been here since the 1990s. Heck, a Nigerian graduated from the University of Saskatchewan Pharmacy program in the 1950s. The skilled program has been around for over 3 decades. It just recently became popular due to social media and affordable internet.

As per Brexit, Brexit was more of shutting out fellow European nationals. Especially those from Eastern Europe being governed by anti immigrant and dictators like Viktor Orban of Hungary and a few others that of turned those countries to latrine pits of Europe.. I can't find any similarities between migrating to Canada and Brexit.

I've met Nigerians in Canada who were born in Canada in the late 70's to mid 80's.

Activist001:
These are my thoughts too! Africa is loosing so many skilled individuals everyday because of our shitty leaders. It's sad.

Those who come over to the west send home billions each year. On top of that, some will purchase or build homes, while spending millions if not billions on visits. People leaving helps the economy more than you think.

privaldo:
There is a difference between a war and a terrorist attack.

War and terrorism is subjective. It depends on who you ask and their position.