Asquare84:
People that are moving out from Nigeria are low income earner and have poor thinking ability, I just gloth over my colleague in the office dude have a house in Abuja, own a cars and is doing well, all of a sudden dude sold everything and turn up his resignation letter ( with a PFA), next story he relocate to Canada. I mean I can imagine wizkid, davido will say they will leave music career and relocate to another country to start life. My advice to you is to stay in Nigeria and develop yourself, alot of people out there are suffering abroad but will never admit it.

Enemy of progress keep quiet

Stop lying. Countries don't take poor immigrants. They take the top immigrants, especially developed first world countries. Was your friend poor ? Bafoon wizkid and a davido would lose money if they moved to the west full time. Nigeria and Africa is wear they make their money.

If many abroad are suffering, then what does that say about Nigeria that has a much lower median salary and quality of life than these countries? ICC has concluded your government committed war crimes against its own citizens. Yet nobody has still been arrested. Maybe your co-worker wanted to leave this zoo ? You know not everything in life is about material things ?

rinzaugustine:
Why would you leave something that is working for you for one that is not? No country is perfect.Would you prefer to be overseas and have nothing.I have worked here in US for years now and I have not bought a single land and you are on your second house ..nawao The tempo of work is faster here than Nigeria and you might develop high blood pressure or diabetes trying to keep up.If you don’t mind , I have a brother in Enugu who is not working, can I send him to you so that you teach him the programming ..US is almost the same with Nigeria if you have income.There are good schools and hospitals In Nigeria and in many places you can stay years without hearing a gun shot.I will advice you stay in Nigeria while you visit Canada.

Who's stopping you from returning to naija ?

nathpope:


LET ME REPEAT WHAT SOMEONE ELSE SAID..

Move only if you have a good job waiting for you in canada..if not focus on ur tech company in naija and keep accumulating properties.

YOU WILL ALWAYS BE A FOREIGNER (STRANGER) IN ANOTHER MAN'S LAND NO MATTER HOW LONG YOU ARE THERE.

Though Nigeria is NOT encouraging but be sure to have a SOLID BASE here even before moving abroad.

I love you'll always be a foreigner abroad. Serious question, what has Nigeria given you being a native ?

Focusmind:


If yours can't find success and happiness in Nigeria, mine will. They are not limited to Nigeria alone. Their success could come from any where. Moreover, they were all born in US and are citizen.

If their success resides here, so be it. If it is abroad, so be it. The summary is that I will give them the necessary support to discover their talents and where the successes and happiness lie. If you are projecting Nigeria of 2045 to be worse, then too bad. People will still live in Nigeria at that time and be fulfilled and successful

Success and happiness are not destination thing. They are personal, irrespective of your place of residence. I don't blame those that wants to leave but don't lampoon those that have equally found reason to stay. It is all about choices and we live by the choices we make.

As for your prediction that my kids will regret not leaving Nigeria, may be that is what you have envisaged for yours. Mine will have no cause to regret anything. My own father formed me to be successful anywhere, same way I shall form mine to be and the baton will continue to be passed from one generation to another.

Agreed that we have numerous issues in Nigeria, such is not peculiar to Nigeria. Happiness and personal contentment matters irrespective of where you are.

I stopped reading when you said your kids were born in the US. You've already secured one foot out of naija just in case. Guys like you I salute. Come and do your thing in naija. You have your escape. But stop forming like you have all your eggs in naija. Don't form patriotic, while making sure your kids secured American citizenship. I'm talking about those who really only have Nigeria as their only country.

optimusprime2:


Don't be too quick to conclude..

My old girl told me in the late 70s/80s when she went to school, the US Dollar was literally half of the Naira. I.e 1naira= 2USD ... Yes, Nigeria was considered a very very rich country back then.

Secondly no African felt that comfortable in the US around the 70's/ 80's because there was still an unfair atmosphere/attitude to people of African descent, the civil rights movement of MLK literally just ended...so why bother staying in a country where you were subject to racial inequality at the time when Nigeria was alot better?

Thirdly the US then was not even an attractive immigration place in the 70's/80's, not to talk of Canada lol �, old girl called Canada an expensive ice skating rink. She constantly stated that there were no jobs in Canada in the 70's so how they do now is still a mystery to her. She immediately turned down a job offer in Alaska when she graduated, her reason was "Is she crazy? to work in a "deep freezer" looking out for Polar bears every second when her country has the best weather in the world" ...

Fourthly she mentioned in the 70's if a foreigner below 18 years came to the US and stayed for about 4-5 years(which was usually the duration of a bachelors degree), he or she was eligible for citizenship, So the op is most likely saying the truth about his father especially if he went for a bachelors degree.

She concluded by saying Nigerians who ended up staying back in the US after schooling back in the 70's were probably;

1. those who were severely affected by the Biafran war and thought it best not to return

2. those who got romantically attached, I.e either got married to an American who was not approved by their family, or got pregnant and were ashamed to come back to Nigeria.

3.those who did not graduate from university especially after being funded heavily by Nigerian scholarships (a classic case of her friend who was sent to study medicine but dropped out and later switched to nursing which was considered a "nonsensical course" in Nigeria back then)

4. those who adopted "bad American habits" that were too embarrassing to return home with.

5. Those who were naturally crazy/daring, looking for adventure and independence from culture and traditions,

However most Nigerians who went to school in the US back then mostly returned because Nigeria was actually very prosperous. Jobs, welfare etc...

P.S
She said American Universities were very easy to get into as a Nigerian, because the Nigerian education system was directly equivalent to British education standards, which was far thorough and had a classic background as compared to American education standards back then.
So it was more prestigious to go to a British University than an American University/college in the 70's. Which of course were harder to get into.

I think he should state the year his dad graduated. But some are still returning now, and some are still asking if they should migrate out of Nigeria. The one's who have the means. There's a lot of truth to what you wrote. Other elders have have said the same. But I still feel it comes down to selfishness and not having the ability to plan ahead.

Focusmind:


You will be shocked that some didn't even know the school their parents attended or the course they studied. This has to do with communication. When parents don't communicate or discuss life matters with their kids, such knowledge gap is bound to occur.

For those blaming the Dad for coming back after studies abroad, it is not a crime to return home after your studies if you are sure of being gainfully employed. I did same in 2010 after my masters in UK that was sponsored by PTDF and I don't have any regret returning back.

Though I am not where I want to be yet but when I looked back, I felt some sense of achievement and success in Nigeria and I also believe that my kids will find their own success as long as I lay solid foundation for them.

You're naive if you think your kids will find success in Nigeria. This isn't about money or a job. This is about SARS, a lawless country, a functional society, access to the world Visa free, etc. But because you were success and was offered a job, you were too selfish to think about your children or future children's success at the time ? Such as what if they won't be as fortunate as myself ? 20 years from now your children will be making a thread like this. Its not too late. Try to get out.

goldishays:

Exactly, he's friends back then have green cards now. They come to visit us during Xmas.

I have a uncle and auntie who found ways to stay. The immigration system wasn't as strict. This was pre 9/11 and pre Trump. People found ways. Your father has failed you, and especially himself. His mates children are enjoying and striving in America while your protesting against SARS with no job. Because of your fathers selfishness and stupidity.

tensazangetsu20:
So many of our parents made this stupid mistakes and a lot of us are paying dearly today for their foolishness.

Like almost every Nigerian, they are selfish and are now paying the price. Unfortunately their children are not learning from their stupidity and selfishness. Everytime i see a "should I migrate to Canada or stay and build on (insert some nonsense business or laughable salary) I shake my head. The typical Nigerian is too dumb when considering planning for tomorrow.

Activist001:
Technically, if he hadn't come back you would have been non existent because he won't meet your mom.

Most would rather not exist than live in naija.

He obviously bought the "naija go betta" scam.

tensazangetsu20:

He's a tech guy. He doesn't need a degree to get a job but it doesn't hurt to have one. Two ex andelans got jobs in Canada from Nigeria through the global talent program.

He's an enemy of progress. Even if this tech gig doesn't work out, the opportunities in Canada is endless, especially as a legal resident. He doesn't tell the man how to legally migrate to America, and the insane amount of tuition he'd have to pay as a non citizen or green card holder. Anyone who advices one to stay in naija is a devil.

Aconomist:
Moving to Canada would be a terrible mistake my friend, especially toronto. In Canada, your Nigerian degree is worthless. There are many PHDs from countries like India that are homeless in Toronto, what makes you think they will hire a Nigerian? The cost of living in Canada is also astronomical.

The U.S. would be a better option. Try to get a degree at an american school if you want a job. They are always hiring tech guys.

Canada doesn't allow poor people to migrate to their country, only to live on the streets. Stop lying. Toronto is the fastest growing tech hub city in North America. And once he lands as a PR, he can get government loans/bursaries if he can't afford to go to school. Your ignorant about this topic, stop giving advice. Even if you're right. I'd rather live on the streets in Canada than S-hole naija. At least I know I'll be controlling my destiny and I'll be successful one day.




https://www.google.ca/amp/s/careers.workopolis.com/advice/toronto-fastest-growing-market-tech-jobs-north-america/amp/

Nicoswit:

He can get the canadian passport later...it will even be more easier when he becomes successful in his tech company...he shouldn't trade his comfortable life for an anticipated life in canada

You didn't answer my questions. Nothing is guaranteed. A change in administration, immigration laws, etc, can make it harder or impossible to get the passport in the future. He lives in a country where the military was ordered to kill its own citizens. No light, running water, local police force and politicians ranked worst in the world, low life expectancy, etc. This is far from a comfortable life. Someone who's comfortable wouldn't be on nairaland debating if he should migrate. Nobody who lives in Canada, creates a thread asking if they should migrate to Nigeria. You know why ? Because they're truly comfortable.


Its foolish to stay in a 3rd world country because of a tech business. Not everything is about money. Naija guys claims they're the biggest hustlers, yet they get cold feet about migrating to Canada. Too afraid to hustle here ?

Nicoswit:
Move only if you have a good job waiting for you in canada..if not focus on ur tech company in naija and keep accumulating properties

Have you lived abroad before ? As a legal resident ? You're telling him to pass up a Canadian passport because of a tech company?

truthsayer009:


When you created this thread, your mind was in a different frame, now things are different & any sensible person would understand. In early 2014 when I returned back to Nigeria from school, I had opportunity to travel back or move to another country for work or internship. I neglected it simply because I didn't see the real difference. Things are different now, dollar was 160 - 170 back in 2014 as far as I remember, luckily got a 200k paying job which was more than $1000 dollars at that time. Big Money, Baby boy life. Spent 80k in the club one time, my babe at back then advised I get a Car & cruise around Lagos knowing Toyota Corolla was 900k then ($4000), thank God I followed my Sister's advice & bought a piece of land instead. Phew!

After a short while every thing went downhill, dollar crashed in mid 2016, Recession hit companies & had to move to a lower paying job, every thing scattered. My new salary was barely $300 because dollar became 500 Naira in 2016 when there was a spike If I remember clearly before later going back to 360, I couldn't save after so much expenses deducted. The government has tried severally to inject money into the Economy, but keeps failing. Speaking of Dollars, as at yesterday GTBank told me that each person could only withdraw $20,000 daily now because of the Injection of dollars into the economy & it's still not helping issues. Before now, GTB completely prevented every Dorm account owner from withdrawing or transferring their own inflow funds.

This is 2020, Foreign reserves is now empty, Now I see every reason I should have left in 2014.

LMAO. Two people who F'd up trying to console each other. You sound like a small pikin sef. Any sensible person would have got the hell out when they had the means and opportunity. But you were popping bottles, nacking babes, forming big boy for club, instead of thinking of your future. Now poverty don catch you, now you see every reason you should have left ? Toto was blinding you during that time abi ? Other than toto, what did you use to forecast naija would be good in the future ? Again, those looking to migrate, learn these two guys F-ups. Don't stay because you're currently making decent money.

Sanchez01:

I could ignore and look on while you have a field day with the tomfoolery as usual but feel I should clear the air on this. I AM DIRECTLY NOT AFFECTED BY ANYTHING RIGHT NOW. My angst here is the fact that the rule of engagements and human rights abuse is almost at the level of pure Islamic states across the world.

I have never been affected by the harsh economic policies of this government save I spend more on commodities now. The more the dollar goes up, the higher my earnings when converted to out free falling Naira. Not saying I am there yet. At best, I spend more on certain things than I used to. Not like I owe you this but the fact that you have been hyperventilating and throwing shades at me and about how I am affected is amusing.

Did I join in the protest, yes. Have I been harassed by SARS officials before? Yes. Severally, in fact. Was that why I joined the protest? Definitely not. Would I join another protest should a second wave happen? Hell yes.

Given the power today, I will undo the harsh economic policies that led us all here. It isn't because of me. Even the richest Nigerians of this world are impacted by the misrule of the present administration. I could choose to sleep all day and go out in the evening, it doesn't impact my earnings in the least of ways as it is not tied to a physical office.

What I find disgusting is how you and some persons have been latching on to a post of over 5 years ago which does not in any way reflect the craze of today's Nigeria to label me selfish and self-serving because I suddenly embraced the idea of emigrating. And worse, that you have been embittered by it.

Your ignorance and arrogance on this issue is appalling. You don't even know you're being laughed at. You claim nothing is affecting you, yet you claim the human rights abuse is on the level of an Islamic state. Furthermore, you claim you're worried about your children's future. Baba, YOU ARE BEING AFFECTED, especially mentally. People like you are the enemy of progress. You have never lived in both societies (Naija and the West), yet over 5 years ago you were debating which one is better, discouraging people from going. This is like a virgin telling me how to have sex. People who haven't lived in both societies should keep quiet. What if someone took your nonsense advice and now can't leave naija ? Instead of living a peaceful life in Canada, US, UK, or Australia, they'll be now dealing with SARS, Buhari, a worthless naira, etc because of you. What methods did you even use to forecast that naija will be better in the future ?

Baba, nobody cares about your money. Because when that bullet penetrates you or you pikin, or when you need that emergency treatment, which the hospitals are not able to handle, due to corruption, my brotha, you'll be 6 feet under like every person, rich or poor. You think its poor people leaving naija through the EE ? So you joined the protest and have been harassed by SARS. Yet nothing in this country is directly affecting you ? The richest Nigerians were smart enough to get residency or a passport to a second country just in case. You think Dangote, Adeleke, Femi etc are stuck in naija ? That's the difference between them, and a naïve individual like yourself. Lastly, this your quote is important and I want anyone who's on the fence about migrating to read and internalize this:

"What I find disgusting is how you and some persons have been latching on to a post of over 5 years ago which does not in any way reflect the craze of today's Nigeria to label me selfish and self-serving because I suddenly embraced the idea of emigrating. And worse, that you have been embittered by it"

1. Never take advice from someone who has never lived in both societies. That's naija and the west.

2. NO CONDITION IS PERMANENT. Because you're doing good today, doesn't mean you'll be doing good tomorrow especially if you have children. Money in naija comes and goes. The stability you'll have in the west will last, mixed with a functional society is priceless. This man has money, let he's looking to leave. Let that sink in. Leave if you get a chance. Don't think twice.

Nig4Greatness:

What war??.
You lots keep pushing some baseless narratives as if everybody is stupid.when those countries you mentioned declare curfews and make certain laws,their citizens don't obey them shey??.
Why on earth would people still be on the street after a curfew is in effect??.whoever dies in the process is plainly stupid.
I will not join those bandwagon who criticize and condemn govt at every point while exenoratimg the citizens who are mostly lawless and even worst off.
Another protest is starting agsin,Please leave your paradise abroad and if you can still find.your way back home,go join them.

Una go.get sense by force.

You're comparing making laws to reduce the spread of covid to making laws to oppress protestors, demanding not to be killed or exploited by their police force ? Those people were still on the streets because they were sick of being killed/disrespected by their government/ police force. Even so, they deserve to get killed ?

You love to blame the protestors, but don't have the same energy for the criminal politicians stealing the country's money everyday. Or the law enforcement agencies killing and exploiting the people they're suppose to protect. The citizens are lawless and worse than the government?

This is the issue with Nigerians. They're the most selfish people on earth. You talking this nonsense because you're not getting affected to a certain degree. If that bullet killed your child or family member, your tone would be different. The original poster is now being affected now he wants to leave. Before that he was as selfish as you.

meobizy:
I answer their questions from my point of view and keep it moving. There is no greater shock to first world citizens than an African paying upfront for commodities which their lazy selves purchase in installments.

They're more shocked at the foolishness of such an action.

Nig4Greatness:


What life improvement??.
So those in Nigeria live in squalor right??.
Una too dey overrate this una abroad too much.

Your military went to war against its citizens. Name me the last time the American, Canadian, France, UK, etc military did that against its own citizens. There's pride, then you have stupidity. The original poster was once on the stupidity side, he has now calmed down.

Nig4Greatness:

At least he now has the perfect reason to migrate which I believe is not for greener pastures as most people do.

Improving your life in any way is greener pastures.

Darey00:




LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


dem no dey tell person nau..

After "making it" in Nigeria you now see reason to leave the country other than on making money terms?


God is wonderful

Making it in Nigeria = I'm doing good. Screw everyone.

Government changes my orientation = The naira has gone to sh!t. The Government is killing its people. I'm not as financial stable as I was before. Nigeria's corruption is actually affecting me now.

These people don't care about Nigeria. They only care about themselves, yet they form patriotic. Imagine this goat debating in the barbar shop about why he'd never migrate, while laughing at his people who were saying they'd migrate for their kids. Now he's in the same position. Comical

rs172:


Baba you still dey confuse yourself oo, cause i no understand wetin you type, but one way or the other you go travel abroad if opportunities arise?
Now you're seeing the need for migrating. Not everybody migrate because they wanna make it. Now you get the drill

He's a typical Nigerian who doesn't care about his fellow Nigerians or the country. He couldn't see the full picture and as long as it didn't affect him, he didn't care. Now its affecting him, mainly his children, he's seeing it and wants to leave. But before when others wanted to leave because it was affecting his children he'd call them crazy.

Brawlscartel:


Chai see mumu

Show facts

Brawlscartel:


Economies small??

Lol you don't know what u saying

North America has the biggest economy in the world. Stop your nonsense.

Brawlscartel:



You are the most foolish person I have ever seen
....

Finland, Germany, Norway, Switzerland and Luxembourg are shithole?

You must be sick......


People like you nr fit make am for anywhere

Nobody has time to learn a new language, their economies are small, and racial issues are huge.

Solovedd:

They may be shit holes but they actually have some people richer than people in Canada /US etc..I met a traveller because I live in Ukraine and this guy is 45, he lived in Newyork 15years and Africa 3 years ,Dubai 5 years and he travels a lot .Right now he lives in Kyiv Ukraine and He said he makes the most money here and doesn’t spend so much .Imagine living in a comfortable apartment of $300 monthly and making $30000 monthly with extremely low taxes.So it depends on individuals

We're talking about the average person here. All these feel good 1 percent stories should stop. Most likely they built the capital in North America any ways.

Gerrard59:


Does this include Japan, Switzerland, South Korea or Singapore?

You people are hilarious on this forum, very hilarious I tell you.

They're better than naija. But to pick them over Canada or USA? You are crazy. The language, cultural, and racial issues will destroy you. Canada, UK, and USA have a long history with blacks. These countries don't.

Pouweh:

ogbeni what are you saying?

Any country that is not Canada, US, or UK is a S-hole. UK is close to being a S-hole though.

lascos912:
I didn't know it a bad country like this

Because people here are lying to you. Russia also invaded and took over some of its territory. Russia indirectly runs that country. All these other countries are 2nd class S-holes. Use them to get to real countries like USA, Canada, etc. But to live there permanently? Just stay in naija. Don't jump from one S-hole to another.

roteblomen:


Usa, Canada and UK, I can never live. Maybe Australia sha. For UK, its too small and crowded, cold and rainy, and damn expensive especially London. Canada is too damn cold and too damn big. Canada is bigger than Nigeria x11, with the population of Lagos and Kano. Visiting your friends is hell, too boring. I have a friend that migrated there but ran back to Germany. Can't stand it.

As for usa, well, lets just say I'll prefer to live in ghana than live there. Gun problem, racism, politics, copotocracy, poisonous foods, and debt ridden lifestyle. Mehn, who wants that?

Australia is the best in those options.

The Nigerian government ordered its military to kill its citizens and you're talking about gun problems in America? Comedians on this board.

roteblomen:


You and sense na five and six. A smart comment.

I actually felt more fulfilled in non-western countries and I live in the west. The west is just for materialistic people. If you want money, career, and a sense of security, then yes, the west is for you. But if you want more to life, a crazy entrepreneur that values human relationship in addition to the money making, good weather devoid of winter darkness and cold folks, want to walk down the streets and see people filled with approachable demeanor and just having fun, then the west will hardly be that place.

Personally, my strategy was to build a business that will fund my lifestyle as an upper class anywhere I am on earth, and leave to explore new fertile ground where I'll have a feeling of contentment towards life, and not just a cash making machine, and I achieved that. South America is really nice, especially colombia, Panama and Brazil. If one have money, those places are heaven on earth.

Many of my friends moved there after college, and they wished they did they did that earlier. It is after when one has reached the pinnacle of their financial freedom, then they would want more to life, not just stability. Thats boring.

Oh just Money, career and sense of security. Boring. There's more to life than that. I want a vibrant environment while walking around on an empty stomach. Until your friends give up their American citizenship and pick up only the citizenship of the country they're in (insert S-hole country) na just talk. They come with money, exploiting the locals. They're not breaking bread with the poor. Why wouldn't they be enjoying themselves.

If you're migrating out of Nigeria, Canada/USA is your first option, followed by the UK. Anybody who migrates anywhere else is because they don't have the ability to migrate to those 3 countries. Any other countries such as Brazil, Caribbean Islands are nothing more than 2nd options. They're better than naija, but stop comparing them to legitimate G7 nations like Canada or USA. There's level to this. There's no shame saying I have to settle for a secondary country. Comparing a S-hole country like Brazil with one of the world's highest murder rate to Canada? Go and sit down.