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cornelboy:
What should we do with this?

He wants the government (that needs the support of these religious leaders) to stop their activities!

https://www.nairaland.com/8593376/imperative-need-clean-up-religious#138027180

That's why you should be grateful all the time that you believe the Bible because it was clear to Pontius Pilate that Jesus was innocent yet he sentenced Jesus to death.

Why?

Because he must please the RELIGIOUS LEADERS who can create tension that'll lead to Pilate's removal as governor! John 19:12🙂

Dey play!
Who will organize voters during election?
Who will direct voters to God's choice among the candidates?

Ọmọ your democratic rulers needs this people much more than you so your grievances against them is like a joke!😟

KBdownloads:
This doesn't address Isaiah 45:7. The verse says God creates evil, not that evil resulted from human sin. If evil came from Adam's sin, then God didn't create it, humans did. But the verse explicitly says God creates evil. So which is it?

You missed a verse in the Bible:


God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day. ‭Genesis 1:31 NIV‬


Please where is the evil?
Is it within all the good things?

Of course God never created anything evil in the beginning.

So what are the evil God is referring to in the Bible book of Isaiah 45:7?

They are natural forces that could be harmful when misused.

I mentioned "FIRE" an accumulation of gasses, just this December fire consumed a lot of properties yet can we survive without using fire?

The answer is NO!

So God is telling Isaiah that He created this thing and so He could redirect it to do something totally different from what we knew it to be.
For instance the fire Nebuchadnezzar wanted to use to destroy Shadrach Meshak and Abednego turned to air conditioner while the same fire killed the strongest men in Babylon.

The import of this verse is to remind us that whatever evil thing we could be scared of they are all harmless to the Creator who made them all! Matthew 10:28🙂

JibolaUsman:
U may need to either consider getting deliverance or seeing a psychiatrist.

Exactly the same thing those people you are mocking will say to you for mocking their religious beliefs.

If you are mocking these people for the things they believe then you don't have to be abusive when someone tells you the bitter truth.

Supernatural gifts ended with the first century disciples of Christ that's why you can't find a single miracle performer today like them, towards the end of the first century miraculous signs began diminishing that's why Timothy a first century born again Christian wasn't healed miraculously but advised to go for MEDICATIONS! 1Timothy 5:23

May you have peace!🙂

steadygo:
If humans bring the evil on themselves then an all powerful God would be unjust to not allow the evil we have brought on ourselves to come to us.

He just love deceiving himself!🙂

Deepspirituals:
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Questions: Asking this questions not to open any door of Argument But need your Own Version of this ...IS GOOD THINGS OF THE PRESENT WORLD / LIFE ,HOUSE ,CAR, MONEY ,GOOD INVESTMENTS ,SOUND HEALTH NOT AMONG THE OTHER THINGS ?
IS IT NOT POSSIBLE FOR ONE WHO HAVE MET THE CONDITION YOU LISTED ABOVE TO HAVE THESE OTHER THINGS ?
THANKS.

Spiritual speaking the answer is NO!

All other things Jesus is referring to must start with his first century disciples so what are the other things they had apart from the privileged to rule with Christ {Matthew 19:28} and the blessings of eternal life? Matthew 19:29

Well there are many people who became believers through the preaching and teaching assignment Jesus gave his disciples so just as Jesus who had no donkey could use the donkey and house belonging to his disciples as if these things now belongs to him {Luke 19:32-35; Luke 22:10-11} the same applies to true believers, anywhere i go around the world today houses, cars and other essential things of life belonging to my fellow believers are mine because they are ever ready to let me use it just as Jesus and his first century disciples also used many things belonging to their fellow believers!🙂

dawnomike:
In as muxh as I am not a fan of her religion, going as far to threathen her and burn down her house is a unacceptable!!!

She is a stubborn woman!😟
When you are in Rome it's safe to do like the Romans.
She has overstayed her welcome in their community.
First of all her tongue shows she is not from Ilorin meaning she is not an indigene, secondly she knew what this people doesn't want in their community yet she goes ahead to build her shrine right in their midst!😟
Please let's be reasonable.
Do you think anyone could enter Israel during the time they were practicing what is written in the Mosaic laws to do what this woman did in their community?🤔
What most of us don't know is that it's only in a military regime that the rulers can do anything against those who did this thing because military doesn't need your votes to rule over you but as for democratic rulers ọmọ it's whatever the majority in that community decides that matters otherwise any political party will where a public office holder stands to condemn what they did to her shouldn't expect a single vote from that community.
That's the ugly side of politics most of you don't know!😟

KBdownloads:
So your answer to a direct biblical quote is to tell me to drink p*ison and go to hell?

You guys are hypocrites.
I responded and substantiated using scriptures to explain the meaning but did you respond to the biblical truth?

NO!

Instead you ignored and looked away as if you never saw to my post at all in the first instance!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
OK let's do as you ask!

After the first (original) sin happiness was taken away from the earth and what remains is a struggle to survive till we expire. That is why many became desperate opportunists doing whatever they can just to find a purpose for their existence leading to oppression, intimidation and persecution of the less privileged.

So despite all these God didn't just give up He kept sending obedient humans as prophets to warn or enlighten confused people in order to make them have a rethink regarding their ways of life.

But many have become vicious even to the point of hurting God's servants that is what scares Isaiah the prophet knowing the stiff-necked people he was sent to deliver God's message to.

That is why God told Isaiah saying:

I form light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, Jehovah, am doing all these things. Isaiah 45:7

What is the import of this verse?

God is telling His loyal servant not to be afraid of either darkness or light because He created both so He can make them work to the advantage of His loyal servants while those planning to hurt them will be frustrated. Think of how God made the sun not to give it's light to Egyptians for three consecutive days yet in other places they are enjoying the day light {Exodus 10:22-23} this same God made the sun to stand still for more than the time it used to be during the days of Gideon.Joshua 10:12-13

What about peace and calamity?

Think of how useful water is to life. Can we survive without water? Well water is the most important asset to life yet it's this same Water God used to destroy evildoers in the days of Noah.
OK what about fire?
Of course that is the most destructive thing we humans could think of in fact scientists said it comprises of different gases but what did this God changed fire to?
Do you remember Shadrach, Meshak and Abednego?
Well this God turned the most heated fire into air-conditioner for His loyal servants while the same fire killed Nebuchadnezzar's strongest men!😟

So when you read God's word please ask for the import of what you are reading otherwise you will misconstrue the message.

May you have peace!🙂

To know what other things will be added we must first understand what Jesus meant when he said "seek the kingdom first and His righteousness" Matthew 6:33

God's Kingdom is a promised heavenly government that will take away all the troubles facing mankind, as humans we are impatient as most of us wants to enjoy our life which is not bad anyway but as long as Satan, demons and his human agents are around there will always be trouble on this planet! Matthew 6:34

So how can we seek God's Kingdom and his righteousness?

The first thing is to let go of whatever any human government may promise us and focus on how to support God's will (God's arrangement and gradual process of restoring peace on planet earth) this is what Jesus established with the preaching and teaching about God's Kingdom. Note what he told one young Jewish politician who thinks he has been on God's side for keeping the Mosaic laws all his life {Luke 18:18-21} Jesus told him to let go of whatever politics and the world has to offer and become a kingdom publisher preaching and teaching along with Jesus' disciples from house to house. Luke 18:22

Of course that is a very difficult task for any prominent politician or someone who is aspiring to become a prominent politician so the young man walked away with sadness and grief. Luke 18:23

Now let's evaluate what this man will loose as he declined Jesus' offer.
First of all he can't become one of the first disciples of Christ which is an automatic ticket to join Jesus as his coruler in heaven. Secondly if he later tries to embrace Christianity it will be really disastrous as Satan who is giving politicians the world's glory {Luke 4:5-7} will strip him off all the goodies the man got through politics. Thirdly observers will notice his downfall from grace to grass. Luke 14:28-30
Lastly when true Christians are having a global family of peace loving worshipers as fellow believers he will miss out since Christians love a quiet and lowly lifestyle that doesn't call for attention {Matthew 10:16} it will be difficult for any Christian to welcome such a person in times of trouble when his opponents are seeking to kill him due to his political post.

So all the benefits of being a Christian he will miss {Matthew 19:28-29} where humble disciples of Christ like Peter and others could walk into the home of their fellow believers and feel safe he must look for accomodation with heavy security due to his position and possessions {Matthew 6:19:21} where true Christians enjoy the love and peace among fellow believers throughout the earth he must depend on his body guards always told where to go and not to go out of fear.

That is why Jesus said many other things are added to those seeking God's Kingdom first. We have peace of mind as our brothers and sisters are ever ready to welcome us anywhere we go on this planet not as visitors but as their families under the umbrella of Christ Jesus but whoever is seeking the things of the world even among his own people he still remains a stranger and could be armed due to worldly possessions they are all seeking desperately!

fxexperts:
Kumuyi does entire camping for his people so i do not see the comparison here. besides i do not regard all those pulpit bandits highly.

So in other words Kumuyi is also a pulpit bandit, then there is no sense going to the gathering of pulpit bandits! Psalms 1:1 🤔

Disinfectant123:
I literally just heard what you said, refuted it and then now your yapping this?
So he is infact not omniscient at all

He never claimed to be omniscient that is what you have missed for many years while following misinformed churchgoers!😟

Please when did sexual intimacy between two consenting adults became a crime in Nigeria?😟

Disinfectant123:
Your quote literally debunked that?

Instead of accusing others we listen to their own side of the matter we are not like you who keeps accusing others and at the same time judging them even when they are explaining themselves.

God told us that He didn't know what was happening in Sodom and Gomorrah but angels were bringing the reports and He wants to go and see for Himself to be certain that the inhabitants of that city deserves to be destroyed! Genesis 18:20-21

God also said He just realized that His friend Abraham can do anything to keep His friendship with God.

Yet you keep accusing God claiming He should be omniscient as if you have found that word in the Bible.

Is that not presumptuous?🙂

Disinfectant123:
So he is not Omnisceint (all knowing) Oh wow what a useless god.

Your PERSONAL OPINION 🙂

Disinfectant123:
He knew that Abraham was loyal to him yet put fear on his own son because he was about to get murdered? What was the need of trying tell abraham to sacrifice his son if he himself knew that abraham was loyal?

You keep repeating the same thing.

Did you read the Bible verse at all?

God said He doesn't know that Abraham could be that faithful and loyal!😟

Disinfectant123:
God told Abraham RIGHT as he was about to murder his son, why did it take him that long? More importantly hes all knwoing right? So he would have knew that he was obedient to God so why the testing?

Are you talking for God or you want to hear what He said about Himself?

He said He just knew Abraham is truly loyal to Him that's what the verse said o!😟

Some people are like parasites always following true Christians just to look for trouble so it's better to avoid them! Romans 16:17

Kingsnairaland:
What is Ọ̀gbẹ́ni

Google is your friend joo!🤣

Disinfectant123:
Again he is all powerful and all knowing so he himself would know who would kill who and can prevent it with his mighty powers

Now you are changing mouth because He never claimed to know every man's thought.

Here is what God said about people in Sodom and Gomorrah.

“The outcry against Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah is indeed great, and their sin is very heavy. I will go down to see whether they are acting according to the outcry that has reached me. And if not, I can get to know it" Genesis 18:20-21

Abraham is God's friend yet God said about His friend:

“Do not harm the boy, and do not do anything at all to him, for now I do know that you are God-fearing because you have not withheld your son, your only one, from me.” Genesis 22:12

SarcasticWords:
Maybe they didnt want to have anything to do with jehovahs witnesses based on this shocking and horrifying news report.

OK o!🤣

Disinfectant123:
He is Almighty but alowed millions to die despite having the power to stop it? How on earth is he taking time to resolve issue in the wisest way?

The people who are killed also have the same mindset of killing others for one reason or another so if God should kill a killer for killing someone you will be shocked that the saved victim will turn around to kill others.

That's why God decided to enlighten us all first before taking action against whoever rejects the educational process.

tctrills:
I should thank the OP?
Oga answer the question and stop the foolery

Are you intimidated by my presence here?

Abeg face the OP if you have something worthwhile to say i'm not here for you!🤣

Disinfectant123:
An all powerful god does not need time to settle matters. One click and he can do what ever he wants. A

That's what power drunk humans think but God is not just the Almighty He is also the Wisest! Isaiah 55:8-9

Humans like you won't think of the long time benefit rather you will just do things rashly because you have the power. The true God created all as in both the oppressed and oppressor that is why He takes His time to resolve issues in the wisest way!🙂

tctrills:
The bible 8s God's word, stop fooling around. If you have an answer go at it and stip wasting time

Wow! Wow!! Wow!!!

You are fortunate today!

Well the answer is right above you thank this OP because i won't even bother to respond if you are the one asking since you don't believe i know better than you!🙂

Ọ̀gbẹ́ni quote the verse for everyone to read stop turning it upside down!🤣

Kingsnairaland:
Paul is talking about only Jesus that why he said jesus will be revealed as great God and saviour.

You can't reveal the father because the whole world already knows him as God almighty

while we look forward with hope to that wonderful day when the glory of our Great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, will be revealed.

And God the Father is not coming on the wonderful last day

It Jesus that is coming on the last day

So read the context

KBdownloads:
Can you address the verse itself instead of telling me to study more? I’m asking how Isaiah 45:7, where God explicitly states that he creates both peace and evil, is compatible with the idea that God is wholly good.

OK let's do as you ask!

After the first (original) sin happiness was taken away from the earth and what remains is a struggle to survive till we expire. That is why many became desperate opportunists doing whatever they can just to find a purpose for their existence leading to oppression, intimidation and persecution of the less privileged.

So despite all these God didn't just give up He kept sending obedient humans as prophets to warn or enlighten confused people in order to make them have a rethink regarding their ways of life.

But many have become vicious even to the point of hurting God's servants that is what scares Isaiah the prophet knowing the stiff-necked people he was sent to deliver God's message to.

That is why God told Isaiah saying:

I form light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, Jehovah, am doing all these things. Isaiah 45:7

What is the import of this verse?

God is telling His loyal servant not to be afraid of either darkness or light because He created both so He can make them work to the advantage of His loyal servants while those planning to hurt them will be frustrated. Think of how God made the sun not to give it's light to Egyptians for three consecutive days yet in other places they are enjoying the day light {Exodus 10:22-23} this same God made the sun to stand still for more than the time it used to be during the days of Gideon.Joshua 10:12-13

What about peace and calamity?

Think of how useful water is to life. Can we survive without water? Well water is the most important asset to life yet it's this same Water God used to destroy evildoers in the days of Noah.
OK what about fire?
Of course that is the most destructive thing we humans could think of in fact scientists said it comprises of different gases but what did this God changed fire to?
Do you remember Shadrach, Meshak and Abednego?
Well this God turned the most heated fire into air-conditioner for His loyal servants while the same fire killed Nebuchadnezzar's strongest men!😟

So when you read God's word please ask for the import of what you are reading otherwise you will misconstrue the message.

May you have peace!🙂

KBdownloads:
Isaiah 45:7 says:
“I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create evil; I the Lord do all these things.”

I’m genuinely interested in how Christians can read this passage and still claim that their God is a good God. The verse explicitly has God claiming responsibility for not only good but also for evil.

If God created evil, how can he still be called a good God?

You only READ the Bible but you need to STUDY God's word in order to get the understanding!

Disinfectant123:
He has the power according to christians right? he created humans knew they would cause harm and yet he still allowed it.

He is not power drunk like humans so He takes His time to settle matters once for all time.

When the first couple decided to alienate themselves from Him God told them the consequences and how their descendants will suffer for their terrible decision and at the same time He promised to salvage the situation and end all badness but it must be a gradual process so that billions of humans may learn never to think of repeating what Adam and Eve did.

Disinfectant123:
7 million died of COVID is that his plan for us?
Or how he allowed 330K assyrians to get slaughtered by the ottomans

Is He the one causing all that or people like you who are power drunk?🤔