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Gabrielshow24:
Instances of claiming "holier than thou" can be construed from a lot of your statements! You make statements that are self-praises in disguise! This you can't deny. You do it on a regular basis on behalf of your organization 🤨!

So when someone in the first century say
"i found Jesus of Nazareth the Christ" and started following Jesus it means such a person is praising his group?
Just say you hate the truth that's all!

This is the reason why the OP has refused to join another group but remain in the midst of Jehovah's Witnesses inspite of all his criticism against his own religion:

APOPTOSIS:
Jehovah's Witness is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

Surely he can't survive anywhere else as he knows they are all false!

Gabrielshow24:
And what you have failed to take into cognizance is the plethora of instances of those who sought to fulfill prophecies before its time! 🤨
That's exactly what you and your group are doing! You behave exactly like the pharisees, you show off by trying to gain people by your "supposed works" —drawing biblical verses to sooth your narratives —while your doctrines are sepulchres!

Oya present your own church let's see if you have something better nah.

All these are flimsy excuses if you believe something is wrong all you need to do is present the right one.

You can't say a group is wrong when that's the only active group nah!

Gabrielshow24:
Your entire modus operandi centres on two things, discredit others and establish your own!

You are shifting the goal post again!

You said i was claiming holier than thou that's why i explained what really happened.

I wasn't born a Christian it's my love for God that made me began a thorough research on which religion is doing God's will. I found out that Islam my former religion is hiding some things but since i can't figure it out on my own i decided to read the Bible for myself and what i found really triggered my curiosity the more but all the religions claiming Christians doesn't fit in to what i'm reading about Jesus and his disciples, if i want to become knowledgeable in the scriptures i must go to theology school where i have to pay but Jesus said this knowledge is free.
So when i found Jehovah's Witnesses willing to teach me freely what the Bible really teach i started studying the Bible with them asking tough questions until i am convinced they are the only true Christian organization.

Please how does that translate to being holier than thou?

Gabrielshow24:
Jehovah's Witnesses.

You are taking this personal.

What we are saying is we have found the group Jesus foretold we will see as his real disciples in the end time.

So if you feel we are wrong all you need to do is present a better replacement that's all!

Despite all the threads set up by the OP he remains in the congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses.

Why?

Because he can't find any better group! Matthew 5:14-16

Gabrielshow24:
I don't claim to be holier than all but you whose charade is known over nairaland, this act becomes a debilitating factor on your professed and self-accrued facade.

Another evidence that you're spiritually deaf!

Did i claim to be holier than you?

What i'm saying is there is a Christian group that's performing excellently like the first century Jewish disciples of Christ and i've found them so if you want to prove me wrong all you need to do is present a better performing group than the one i found.

It's like when Andrew found Jesus as John told him and discovered that Jesus is the Christ then he ran to his brother Simon and told him "we have found the Christ" {John 1:41} to prove Andrew wrong all what Simon needs to do is present another Jew better fits in to that description than Jesus.

So how does that translate to been holier than Simon?

Gabrielshow24:
You act as if both politicians and musicians don't have physical influence.

Can Nigerians avoid having anything to do with Davido?
Can any Nigerian avoid having anything to do with those ruling over Nigeria?

Ọmọ Davido is doing his own business as he is gifted to entertain people with music so if you feel his music is not your type you can totally avoid his songs but when it comes to politicians they enforce their policies on you whether you like it or not.

That's the difference if you don't know!

ZaddyJ:
A great man of God he’s

Kumuyi is FAKE!

Gabrielshow24:
🤨As holy as you are, you are still listening to secular music🤦🏾‍♂️. I expected your favorite singers to be the choristers of Heaven, now I am just utterly disgusted😁.
What shall we say about this? 🤨 Didn't you read the scriptures🤔? You are so brazen to condemn politics yet you frolick in the entertainment industry 😅. May God help your hypocrisy!

Not only heavenly choristers so all the fans of Davido are unholy shey?

I just don't understand why you can't see that you're a Pharisees?

So you think i'm holy yet you so much hate me to the point of cursing me shey?

Who is now the hypocrite?
Have i ever condemn any musician before?
Are musicians the ones making life hard for people or politicians? Ecclesiastes 4:1

You are just spiritually blind yet you don't know!

sreamsense:
Pastor Kumuyi never gets time to spoil or tarnish somebody name right or not right.

Chai, see confusion!

The Piper determines the tune nah.
Nah wetin Kumuyi dey talk you dey hear so, no wonder Deeperlifers no gri sey unah be born again like them!

APOPTOSIS:
Jehovah's Witness is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

I remember Jesus' words found in the Bible book of Matthew 5:14-16

 “You are the light of the world. A city cannot be hid when located on a mountain. People light a lamp and set it, not under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it shines on all those in the house. Likewise, let your light shine before men, so that they may see your fine works and give glory to your Father who is in the heavens"

They want to cry but any better option to present against Jehovah's Witnesses?

The answer is capital NO!


Men make gods of wood and stone
But the true God they’ve not known
He is God Almighty
As he’s often shown
Other gods just cannot see
What in future days will be
For witnesses they look all in vain
Since none their godship can maintain.

(CHORUS)
We’re Jehovah’s Witnesses
We speak out in fearlessness
Ours is the God of true prophecy
What he foretells comes to be.

Only Jehovah's Witnesses organization is up to the task as Christians all others are FAKE but if anyone as in anyone wants to disprove this let him step forward by presenting his own church.

APOSTOSIS is not one of Jehovah's Witnesses but he said:

"I judged based on actions and not what i'm told"

So instead of ranting here why not make a presentation of a better performing Christian group than Jehovah's Witnesses?

APOPTOSIS:
Jehovah's Witness is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

IslamVIRGINS:
BOY, wetin MFM do you? Why not face the problem facing your church⛪and leave MFM alone!

Sebi unah claim sey all of unah dey the same page?

Ọmọ nah wetin Kumuyi dey talk you dey hear so that's why Deeperlifers no gri sey unah be born again like them!

Una go cry tire!

Refute what APOSTOSIS typed here with convincing evidence by presenting any religion claiming Christians that's performing better than Jehovah's Witnesses just as he expatiated!

APOPTOSIS:
Jehovah's Witness is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

Cry cry baby wants to turn truth to lies when it's written boldly in the scriptures.

Abeg apart from Jehovah's Witnesses can you mention any church having a unique teaching which all members must shun whoever kicks against it?

MightySparrow:
Lie Sir. Paul saw a crippled that had faith to be healed, with one word, he was healed. Jesus went to his hometown and because of unbelief ( the kind you are touting here now), only few were healed. It is all depends on faith not faithlessness you teach. Timothy may not have the faith to be healed.
The scriptures say, I am the Lord, I change not....'. Your organization says, ' he is an ever changing Lord of New Lights'.

You don't get it CHRISTIANITY was born that time like a new born baby {1Corinthans 13:11} so all the signs was to help the Jews and Judaists all over the world back then that God is no longer backing Judaism but a newly born religion in the name of CHRISTIANITY.

That's why the signs began cooling off immediately after Christianity has spread to all the nations around Mediterranean sea because that's where Judaists were living back then and it's purposely because of them that God put the power in the hands of Christians in the first century.

By the time Paul wrote that letter to Timothy it's over 30 years after Jesus' ascension that's why Paul couldn't perform miracles to heal Timothy {1Timothy 5:23} neither was he able to heal himself from his own sickness! 2Corinthians 12:7

You can't beat the truth no matter how you wish there is no one given power to perform miracles again after the first century disciples of Christ stopped performing miracles.

MightySparrow:
Neither did Paul condemn miracles, wherever there are real objects shadows will be available. Paul emphasis are on both and are related.

Nobody condemns miracles, what we are saying is there is a time it will stop in the hands of humans.
That's why Paul himself told Timothy to go using medicine when this believers was sick instead of miraculous healing:

Do not drink water any longer, but take a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent cases of sickness. 1Timothy 5:23

Why didn't apostle Paul heal Timothy in a miraculous way?

It's because by that time miraculous healings has stopped occuring from the hands of humans! 1Corinthians 13:8-10

MightySparrow:
The subject is not love but miracles, it is your own topic nah!

Paul told us how to distinguish between false prophets and true Christians real believers aren't bothered about miracles rather what we focus on is love that Jesus said will serve as the mark of our identity as his true disciples {John 13:34-35} so any church performing miracles, speaking in tongues, seeing visions and other gifts but love eludes their gathering has nothing to do with faith in Christ Jesus because it's love that Jesus said can't be found in false religions as for supernatural gifts they will be found since demons (powerful fallen angels) are supporting false religions! Matthew 7:21-23

That's the import of Paul's letter to the Corinthians.

achorladey:
Wetin you still dey do?
You suppose waka pass.
Meaning they are your enemies right?

You have the scriptures so interpret and apply it to the best of your knowledge.

All members of the church should stop associating with such ones Jesus really emphasized this when he taught his disciples how to treat anyone who ignores the conclusion the church reached on a matter {Matthew 18:15-17} all members are to turn their backs on such rebellious individuals {Romans 16:17} that's what apostles taught the church of God! 2John 1:10-11

But here the church founders are against members for a totally different reason that's why they don't know how to explain to their followers.

The OP doesn't understand why these GOs are treating their former members so badly to the extent of getting them arrested but in God's organization nobody feels differently when a rebellious individual is excommunicated from among us because we know what could have led to such a decision going by what Christ Jesus instituted:

“Moreover, if your brother commits a sin, go and reveal his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take along with you one or two more, so that on the testimony of two or three witnesses every matter may be established.  If he does not listen to them, speak to the congregation. If he does not listen even to the congregation, let him be to you just as a man of the nations and as a tax collector" Matthew 18:15-17

In the first century Jews used to shun tax collectors and pagans that's exactly what Jesus said his disciples should do to anyone who is against the decision of the church!

So today many still anticipate miracles in the hands of humans due to their selfish cravings they just want God to do what they want and this has led them into false religions operated by false prophets who keeps extorting money from them since they don't want truth.

In the first century Jesus told the Jews who had such attitude that it's totally out of place for anyone to keep anticipating what God never promised instead they should focus on fulfillment of prophecies that's unfolding through his ministry.

For instance John the baptist anticipated a miracle from Jesus, he was arrested for speaking against politicians and that led to his been kept in detention so John expected Jesus to come and release him after all it's just the two of them doing God's work as prophets in the first century {Matthew 11:2-3} but Jesus sent a message back to John saying he is doing exactly what he supposed to do and John should be careful not to become stumbled due to wrong expectations! Matthew 11:4-6
John was beheaded in detention but what did Jesus say about John?
Jesus declared to his listeners that there has never been any prophet greater than John the baptist {Matthew 11:11} this shows that even righteous servants of God may have wrong expectations and surely such will affect their interpretations of God's word.
We can imagine the side effects of John's teachings regarding what Christ will do as most of his disciples were expecting a total change of power after recognizing Jesus as the Christ, in fact many of them wanted to force him as king in Jerusalem {John 6:15} after all that's what all the prophets (including John) said he will become {Isaiah 9:6-7 compare to John 1:26-27} so they were all anticipating great things to happen in the first century through the hands of Jesus only for him to stick to what he was sent to do at that particular time.
He told his listeners:
"I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me." John 5:30 this means even though going by human thinking there are things we could expect someone with such gifts to do but he is doing just as he was told no addition no subtraction!
So Jesus though the greatest miracle worker is strictly following a program as planned by someone greater than him he wasn't just doing what he feels is good according to his own perspective.

To be continued...

MightySparrow:
What is written or your own interpretation? Old light?

Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. ‭1Corinthians 13:8-10 NIV‬

That's the scripture interpret to the best of your knowledge and apply it nobody stops you from doing that.

Truvelisback:
So, your bible said you should treat the person as your enemy for refusing to attend your church.

If that's what the Bible teaches then why are we going to preach and teach them in their homes?
Ọmọ it simply means people who have been part of us knowing what we believe but wants another teaching and bringing it to us! 1John 2:19

Second page?
Ọmọ time to leave hypocrites to continue deceiving themselves.

OP launched a complaint against his religion, i told him the same doesn't apply to my own and instantly a neutral commentator attested to what i said but instead of humbly admitting the flaws he wants to turn against me.

Abeg continue with your people jàre i don waka pass!

Truvelisback:
Mention them.

God bless you!

achorladey:
At least your madness and insanities peddling brains knows your religious organization equally deals with those that speak against your GODS of men housed in USA and you jump into 1 John to defend the madness and insanities peddling of your brains

Apart from our church all of you are unbelievers that's why it's only worshipers in our kingdom Halls we view as fellow believers! Matthew 10:6

But you people claim you're all Christians with all the contradictions among you so why the same thing nah?

achorladey:
When I told you your madness and insanities peddling brains started to refer myself and others who knows about it scoffers and sinners based on Psalms 1:1. Since then to say you are happy based on the same Psalms 1:1 na problem for your lies and manipulations filled madness and insanities peddling brains

This has not come to continued insults.

OP complained about evil deeds happening in their churches and i told him it doesn't happen among Jehovah's Witnesses, instantly another commentator confirmed what i said.

Oya mention the name of your own church let us know if the same thing doesn't happen there.

achorladey:
Madness and insanities peddling brains looks for reason to deal with those who speaks against his GODS of men housed in USA

Can you mention the name of your church where what OP said doesn't happen!

Ken4Christ:
You still believe the lies of Russell and Rutherford inspite of overwhelming Scripture evidence against it.

Scriptures you don't understand?

Oya mention any church that's free from what you are saying.

I mentioned Jehovah's Witnesses and instantly a neutral commentator attested to it.

I'm waiting Mr overwhelming scripture evidence to mention the name of any church that's not doing what you are complaining about here today!

Ken4Christ:
You comment noted but they are not Christians. I have proven it time and time again.

So it's your people using police to arrest one another that are Christians! John 13:34-35

Ken4Christ:
But keep malice with any member of JW who leaves. Don't you? The entire congregation will take him or her as an enemy. They won't greet that person or talk to him or her.

That's what the scriptures teaches!

"If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For the one who says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works" 2John 1:10-11

Because the person is no longer ready to continue in the same line of thought with the congregation of God! John 17:22; 1Corinthans 1:10

But why do your pastors treat you like that when you people claim you are all on the same page?

achorladey:
Madness and insanities peddling brains felt the impact of the post. He started with. Mumu peddling na the trademark of your fellow brothers peddling lies and manipulations with their madness and insanities peddling brains. That's why I said your brains are filled with madness and insanities peddling. MaxInDHouse had said previously on this platform there are many hypocrites and hypocrisy in the midst of Jehovah's Witnesses is synonymous with pharisees who always want everyone around them to feel and see their holier than thou attitude. Had your brains worked well you will see where your GODS of men housed in USA refer to themselves as Jesus brothers while you are just friends of Jesus. You think based on that distinction Jehovah loves you more than your religious leaders housed IN USA. The more you type and try to distant yourself from the attribute you share with pharisees, I bring evidence to nail your madness and insanities peddling brains filled with lies. Your publications are filled with many instances members counseled to be humble. That's where the origin of arrogance and looking down on fellow members starts from. Your brains hardly think when defending your lies and manipulations filled religious organization I know Jehovah's witnesses chain of leaders don't deal with members who speaks against them. In fact apostates is an alien word in the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses. Madness and insanities peddling dey your brains. What will you do during your meetings when a member go against your leadership and was asked to leave and refuse based on instructions given to elders? Just try answer make I see whether they will arrest the person or not. I just dey try reset that your mumu peddling brains It is on JW broadcasting every month. Madness and insanities peddling brains asking me question after given you an example.

Stop yarning off point:

CJStarz:
Na you wey just convert from Islam be d correct Witness.
Achorlady just dey yarn off point

What the OP said is clear:

Pastors are dealing ruthlessly with their church members who speaks against them or decide to start his own church, they arrests their own fellow worshipers using the money the same people contributed to pay police and court in order to punish their own fellow worshipers.

Jehovah's Witnesses never arrest anyone if you leave you're free to go and start your own church and just as we don't practice interfaith neither you or your church members can worship with us because it's wrong according to Christ's teachings! John 17:22; 1Corinthans 1:10

That's what we are saying so if you have something tangible to say stay on point!

Bible Apps is not for TEACHING Jesus commanded his disciples to TEACH one another by meeting in groups {Hebrew 10:24-25} it's when we gather that our Master Lord and King Christ Jesus will come into our midst! Matthew 18:20