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Jehovah's Witnesses are not on the same page with your churches that's why we can't worship or pray with you but your pastors are fighting for money instead of Christ's kingdom.
If you all believe you're on the same page as Christians as each person is free to establish his own church then why are your pastors kicking against anyone starting his own church?

MightySparrow:
They didn't need to have the same experience. Rejection of the experience is the problem here. Your organization shutting you people out by interpretations that are against God: an organization against God and His manifestations.
.1Cor.12.6 - And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.

What God's organization is saying has been written in God's word in the first century:


Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. ‭1Corinthians 13:8-10 NIV‬


So we are taught to believe what is found written in God's word, miracles in the hands of humans have ceased in the first century therefore God only does His works without putting the power in the hands of any human.


That's what we believe!

A member of redeem said this about what Adeboye did to Iluyomade.
That's what the OP is saying!
See below screenshots:

achorladey:
Pharisees have the reputation of being holier than thou. Jehovah's witnesses always want every other Christian denomination to see them as holier than thou that's why Jehovah's Witnesses refer all others as false Christians

Mumu!
Pharisees play holier than thou for their fellow worshipers inside the same temple just as your pastors act as if God loves them more than their followers.

Jehovah's Witnesses don't worship with anyone outside the Kingdom Hall just as Jesus will never worship with anyone outside the temple and Jesus never look down on anyone inside that temple like the Pharisees does to their own fellow Jews who are not of their class.

That's what the OP is saying as pastors are dealing with their own followers who speaks against them arresting them just as Pharisees arrested Jesus.

How many ex members have Jehovah's Witnesses arrested for speaking against them?

What God has blessed no hater can curse!

APOPTOSIS:
Jehovah's Witness is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

This really made my day!

They all know there is no Hellfire that is why they do the worst things you can ever imagine.
They are modern day Pharisees!

Ken4Christ:
It's worrisome to see common trends amongst most GOS or Church Founders especially in Nigeria.

1. They abuse their powers by arresting and putting in prison anyone who speaks against them. What then is the difference between them and politicians?

2. They oppress younger ministers they perceive carry unusual grace. And when such ministers try to leave to establish their own ministries, they frustrate them.

I could go on and on.

These evil trends should stop. Otherwise, they will be cast away on judgement day. God is no respecter of persons.

Jehovah's Witnesses will never arrest anyone for speaking against us just as true disciples of Christ who believe that it's normal for critics to speak against us even lie against us just as Jesus has told us they will do! Matthew 5:11-12

Omoawoke:
You are in no position to tell me about my dreams.. You are completely irrelevant…. You have no voice

It's OK no need to continue with this.
Do enjoy your day.

MightySparrow:
By your own testimony, God was drawing your attention like Moses in the wilderness. His encounter was accidental, he turned to see the sight. That became the beginning of his encounters. But now, you have shielded yourself from the reality of God's power by your 'special' knowledge of the scriptures.

Rom.10.3 - For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

Did all worshipers of God had the same experience?
Why did God call Moses and not all the Israelites?
The verse you quoted means each of them wants to establish his own righteousness just as most churchians today they refused to SUBMIT to God's righteousness.
First century Christians all SUBMITTED to the teachings of one group! Act 2:42
Please can you present a group with whom you SUBMIT to the same line of thought? John 17:22; 1Corinthans 1:10

That's the import of Romans 10:2-3

Omoawoke:
Pele oo
CEO
Chief Executioner Officer of nursing babies… and Chief rapist of virgin women aka spoils of war

And with this attitude you expect a sane owner of a fast growing business to include you among the moderators shey?

Omoawoke:
I love NL, and I value it’s contribution and importance in creating value and meaning to every Nigerian both home and abroad. It is a gigantic library of information, a place of fun. A place where even the frustrated comes to spit out their pains and anger.
It’s a place you can relate to the feelings of the ordinary everyday Nigerians
And that’s why I need to become an MOD. I know I’ve been a tribal warlord, but I’ve dropped my weapons and embraced amnesty.
Additionally, Seun, you need to have MODs in different time zones, some crazy people often come here in the middle of night when MoDs are probably sleeping to create nasty threads. That’s where I come in, I’ll ban their sorry nasty assss for life before you wake up, because that’s when I’m still awake

Many have a bright future but bigotry won't allow you to fulfill your dreams.

Omoawoke:
I love NL, and I value it’s contribution and importance in creating value and meaning to every Nigerian both home and abroad. It is a gigantic library of information, a place of fun. A place where even the frustrated comes to spit out their pains and anger.
It’s a place you can relate to the feelings of the ordinary everyday Nigerians
And that’s why I need to become an MOD. I know I’ve been a tribal warlord, but I’ve dropped my weapons and embraced amnesty.
Additionally, Seun, you need to have MODs in different time zones, some crazy people often come here in the middle of night when MoDs are probably sleeping to create nasty threads. That’s where I come in, I’ll ban their sorry nasty assss for life before you wake up, because that’s when I’m still awake

Imagine you are one of the moderators on Nairaland.

Think about the trouble you would have put the owner with your thought below:

Omoawoke:
So you just said you will draw out a sword and slaughter a nursing baby…
Seun, please let’s find this guy and either luck him up forever in rehab or send him to jail…
He shouldn’t be moving among sane humans
He’s a potential danger to the society

That's why Jesus the world's most Wonderful Counselor said we should forgive and forget whatever happened in the past, resolve present disparities and peacefully embrace the future.

Omoawoke that's Christ Jesus for you if you want to progress in life!

Omoawoke:
That’s what psychopaths tell themselves, they justify their evil with “I am Good, I am doing this for the right reasons”
And same way you the follower of a vindictive blood sucking demon, you will do anything to justify your demon Jehoavh… evil souls!
You this rapist, baby killer… go and rest. I told you , you won… so why bothering yourself again?

You keep using emotional blackmail nah!

I told you that God was King over Israelites back then and they serve as His human armies so as long as they are doing the right thing no nation can defeat them.
So they were serving as executioners who carries out His judgement back then.
You're like accusing a King who judges a case and sentenced the criminals to death at the same time you want to accuse the executioners as well but you don't care about what really led to the execution of condemned criminals!

MightySparrow:
Jesus didn't use the gifts for personal gain? Interesting.
Why were multitudes following him and used the opportunity to teach and preach to them? He used the gifts to fulfill his mission.

1Cor.12.1 - Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
1Cor.12.6 - And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
1Cor.12.7 - But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

So, when I am sick or any loved one is sick I pray for them, they see the power of my God. It is a profit for me and The Kingdom of God.

You keep misconstruing everything but it's OK if you have the power to heal people continue.

Why Is Christ The Angel Of The Lord?

Omoawoke:
So jehoavh has changed from his evil ways? He no longer commands killings and rape? And for sure you will do that, because you are religious and are evil! The only difference between you and Boko haram terrorist is time….then vs now… you are capable of doing same thing… past or present
Bloody rapist, terrorist… baby killer! Shame on you

Continue ranting, as long as Jehovah is concerned He is HOLY.

I'm sure you don't know what that means.

Holy means pure and when we say He is pure that means you have no deity to put beside Him that you know of their past nor present.

So you're just throwing tantrums!

MightySparrow:
J want to believe that when you say 'we', you are referring to the people in your organization only. In my own organization, we pray individually and collectively, and our own Jehovah answers us. I think your own Jehovah turns down your prayers because of your special relationship with him.

There you go again!
When i say "WE" i'm speaking about the faith of an organized people {John 17:20-23} even Jesus never ask for miracles to solve his personal problems rather he does Jehovah's will. Matthew 4:3-4

Do you have a special relationship with God than Jesus who will never use that privilege for personal use?

Omoawoke:
3. Numbers 31:17–18 (War Against the Midianites)

“Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him keep alive for yourselves.” [/b]

Then Jehovah spoke to His worshipers through prophets like Moses but after Jesus came Jehovah only spoke to us through His only begotten Son! Hebrews 1:1-2

 “But I say to you who are listening: Continue to love your enemies, to do good to those hating you, to bless those cursing you, to pray for those who are insulting you. To him who strikes you on the one cheek, offer the other also; and from him who takes away your outer garment, do not withhold the inner garment either. Give to everyone asking you, and from the one taking your things away, do not ask them back. “Also, just as you want men to do to you, do the same way to them. Luke 6:27-31

Jehovah issues the order back then nah and as one of His Organized worshipers (Armies) i'll surely be at the front line in carrying out His orders.

What can you does?

MightySparrow:
Good, but all this time , you have claimed that God is on holiday in your organization. This kind of miracles I enjoy regularly in my life, every time.
One more thing, apart from this accidental miracle, can you ask God to do it for you in case you need one?

You often misconstrue my posts what i keep saying is
"God doesn't give anyone the power to perform miracles again"
How does that translate to God has stopped working?

Of course we can't tell Jehovah what to do we only pray for His help, support and protection as for how He's going to do that we leave everything in His hands we believe He knows best! Luke 22:42

Gabrielshow24:
😅😅😅
Shey na your jelly bean god wan send fire from heaven🤣🤣? Abi na you, zombie, wan command fire from heaven 😅? Wonders shall never cease! 😂

Who was anticipating fire from heaven in the hands of CHRISTIANS?
Do you now accept Jehovah's Witnesses to be Christians so that we should be the ones commanding fire?

Omoawoke:
Eyah!
I understand your frustration, but that won’t stop me from creating more threads… Jehovah is a demon… a blood sucker! A terrorist, ethnic cleanser, racist…. A bastard! Everything I will write about Jehovah will all be gotten from the Bible with no subtraction nor addition
The people that think you are the most intelligent Christian are mocking you! 🤣 they are saying Christians aren’t smart but among the dullest ones, you are the most intelligent among them

Enjoy yourself!

Why Is Christ The Angel Of The Lord? ~Toluwalope Ilori

MightySparrow:
Which miracles happen in your organization?

A lot that we can't count but since we don't orchestrate it we can't invite you to come and witness what we're not the ones doing it.
There's one i can never forget.
A brother born with curved (bow) legs grew up and because of his love for Jehovah he decided to become a regular pioneer (JWs that spends more time in preaching and teaching)
Unfortunately he had a serious injury that worsen the condition of his legs but did he stop pioneering?
No! Instead he decided to partner with other pioneers so that when anyone is free he can work with them in the field.
Then one day while they were in the field a drunk driver was heading the way of these pioneers and as he almost run over them they all jumped a big gutter living this brother behind, he also tried but fell right inside the gutter, everyone was scared that the legs are gone.
But by the time our brother came out of the gutters the bow leg suddenly became straight in fact he was walking as if nothing happened then all of them shouted his name then he looked back and asked "wetin happen nah, i no wound jọọ let's go" but they all stood still looking at his legs that's when a little girl among them shouted
"brother, what happened to your legs!"
That's when he himself realized that his legs is no longer curved or injured but straightened like everyone else.
That was the end of their preaching that day as all of them returned home thinking about what really happened.
Many of such events do happen but since it's not within our power to say what Jehovah will do we can't invite you to come and witness what we never arranged.

lawani:
Nobody has ever been used by oro that I know of. They only have problem with religionists who are always hell bent on defying them. The oro is just to stop people seeing what they are not supposed to see.

Chai this guy, do you think you're chatting with a kid?
Ọmọ i'm from the interior and i know a lot about traditional rites.
In fact each time a king dies his heart is to be roasted for the next king to eat and it's not condemned by your Ifá.
So stop lying it won't help your ministry!

After the time of Moses from generation to generation only few Israelites witnessed miracles they only read what God did in the past and since those involved are people they can trace their lineage they believe yet some sceptics among them insists God must continue using His servants to perform miracles that they read about in the scriptures.
For instance the Jews in Jeremiah's day felt he's just making noise as he couldn't perform any signs like those they have heard in times past, so many other prophets also never performed any signs including John the baptist so when Jesus the prophet they've read about in the Bible that will come in the manner of Moses arrived faithless Jews were totally annoyed with him as he refused to perform miracles that fits their expectations.
Jesus told them that he only performs miracles according to needs not just because some people demands for it as sign from heaven! Matthew 16:4

So what is the purpose of miracles if not for spectacular display or demands?

To be continued...

johnw47:
i don't want to discuss with you.

Why Is Christ The Angel Of The Lord?

Then stop quoting me since you don't want to discuss with me nah!

Gabrielshow24:
What aspect of "sentiments aside" ? Don't you understand? 🤨 Does the question suggest that there are no christians around?.

Gabrielshow24:
Sentiments aside, can this present christians command physical fire🤧 from heaven🤨?

Ọmọ if you or your pastor or anyone around you can command physical fire from heaven you won't ask this question!

MightySparrow:
Which power?

Power to perform miracles!

lawani:
In IFA there is order and camaraderie. Tell me how it is possible for a body of Awos containing eminent people to sign on to human sacrifice. Any Babalawo doing human sacrifice will be excommunicated. However the energy of the spirit world can be manipulated by evil people as well. It is like nuclear energy which has uses in peace and war.
IFA on its own is just a well developed spirit language. A part of isese

When the community declares a curfew saying whoever gets lost at that time has been used by the Orò are you saying only one person is behind it all?

MightySparrow:
All the comments don't make sense.
Elijah did not need matches and petrol to ignite fire in mount Carmel or in the killing of prophets of Baal.

Elijah wanted the people to know there is no Baal in the presence of Jehovah.

But if it's to call down fire from the heavens Ṣàngó or Ṣànpọ̀nná worshipers can still do that here in Yorùbá land.
So what's the essence of calling down fire if other gods can do the same?

Gabrielshow24:
In what way, did I insinuate a disbelief 🤨?

YES!
You said:

Gabrielshow24:
Sentiments aside, can this present christians command physical fire🤧 from heaven🤨?

So are you saying there is no Christians in your own generation?

If there are Christians then why do you ask such a demeaning question about your professed faith?

Gabrielshow24:
Not entirely true, some miracles were performed with the intent to show the power of God! Which also satisfies a need, not withstanding!
Except you draw a boundary, both can be construed together. Jesus displayed the power of God to satisfy the needs of men! Probably your church leaders didn't let you see from that perspective!

The highlighted in blue is FALSE Jesus only performs miracles among the Jews to buttress the fact that what God promised them is here: Christ
That's why John the baptist never performed a single sign because the signs are to make them know that the Christ is around! Matthew 11:4-6