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God created all things but when Adam and his wife wanted absolute freedom they took side with Satan who is lesser to God but superior to them, ever since then Adam and all his descendants have opened the way for Satan a greater being to rule over them.
Satan only wanted to rule over intelligent beings but that chance wasn't open in the heavens where Michael and other powerful angels live so when Adam and Eve took his side they indirectly told God "we are no longer under your command"
So how come God is still the overall ruler despite the fact that Adam and his children are now under the rulership of Satan?
Well this is revealed the day Satan wanted to destabilize Job's life God told him "you must not kill him" Job 1:12; 2:6
You quoted Nebuchadnezzar's words that shows the king realize that no matter how angry he could be if God is not willing to let go of His servant nobody as in nothing can kill such a person because Jehovah created both the things that could preserve life and things that could end it {Isaiah 45:7} and He has the power to change fire to AC {Daniel 3:24-27} Jehovah can turn lions into sheep {Daniel 6:18-22} this is evidence that Satan only controls the majority on planet earth as their ruler {1John 5:19} but God has all the authority to set boundaries for Satan.

Nicenancy:
In Daniel 4:32, a watcher (heavenly being) declares to King Nebuchadnezzar that The Most High (God) rules in the kingdom of men and gives the kingdoms of the world to whomever He wishes:

Daniel 4:32
And they shall drive you from men, and your dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field. They shall make you eat grass like oxen; and seven times shall pass over you, until you know that the Most High rules in the kingdom of men, and gives it to whomever He chooses.”

In Luke 4:5-6 however, Satan claims that the kingdoms of the world has been delivered into him and he gives them to whomever he wishes:

Luke 4:5-6
[5]Then the devil, taking Him up on a high mountain, showed Him all the kingdoms of the world [/b]in a moment of time.
[6]And the devil said to Him, “All this authority I will give You, and their glory; [b]for this has been delivered to me, and I give it to whomever I wish.

When was this authority given to Satan? If you claim when Adam in fell, the story of Daniel happened thousands of years after Adam. If at the time of Daniel, God was still ruler over the kingdom of men and gives it to whomever He wishes then the Adamic theory is flawed.

Let's have your thoughts backed by scriptures

You've asked questions upon questions but if it's true that you want to know i will do the needful.
Please can you ignore any other comment because they don't know how to answer but when they see someone doing so they will come for confusion.

This is why i always ask of the church of each commentator so we can know where the teaching is coming from but as you can see each one is just practicing gymnastics in their brains over the description of their god!

MightySparrow:
As how?

Are Orthodox Churches Christians?
At least you're now aware of what we've been saying about different traditions that's not scriptural in churches.

Truthseeker10:
StillDtruth, do you agree with Ken4Christ above?

They are all facing different directions as they talk about their god but when JWs speak with one voice regarding our God {John 17:22} all of them will say JWs are wrong, which of them is right now?
Funny churchians! Luke 11:23

MightySparrow:
Where?
I live in Benin, I have not seen any beggers aside Fulanis around ọba market. I am a Yoruba man, an Ekiti person, it is not in our culture to beg Christian or Muslims. If there are any Christians begging, it would be the tradition not because of being a member of a church. May be your experience and your people.

Ungodly traditions should be done away with once a person becomes a Christian this further buttress my point that you're not a Christian at all because whether the person is Hausa, Fulani or Yorùbá such traditions can't be anymore once a person has accepted Christ.
Or do you think your Christian brother from the north are beggars by tradition?
Ọmọ you think like a mule because here in Lagos there are beggars from all tribes what i can boldly beat my chest to say is that none is a witness of Jehovah! Psalms 23:1; 37:25

Truthseeker10:
It was when I showed him Matthew 4:10 that he realized that he was wrong that everyone should be worshipped. He now said that Matthew 4:10 is talking about "absolute worship". what is the greek word for "absolute worship"...he has not been able to provide it.

He is one of the rebellious ones who are going about with their self-righteous beliefs so he will forever remain alone just like his sort on Nairaland! Luke 11:23

MightySparrow:
The fellow ju8 wanted me to agree to what I don't know.

See idiocy!
But when we are talking about Orthodox Churches you won't allow us to talk you will be jumping into the discussion as if you know what they practice as faith.

Truthseeker10:
He claims that The bible says that everyone should be worshipped except Satan. So therefore there is no difference between Worshipping God and worshipping humans.

While trying to deny the obvious he has proved himself beyond recognition:

He (Jehovah) catches the wise in their own cunning, So that the plans of the shrewd are thwarted. Job 5:13

His so called WISDOM that's foolishness! 1Corinthans 3:19

StillDtruth:
the evils and murderings your cooperative society have done.

Let everyone know the evil nah.

Àbí you are one of the enemies of good things that always say good is bad but can't pinpoint what evil exactly someone did.

Woe to those who say that good is bad and bad is good, Those who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness, Those who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! Isaiah 5:20

God's word said a lot about your type:

And he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of Jehovah, and Satan was standing at his right hand to resist him. Zechariah 3:1

Now prove that you're not working for Satan by mentioning the name of your own church or the evil that the Holy church of God is doing!

Truthseeker10:
You don't want to argue because you've made a blunder you can't get out of. So you have no logical arguments left.

You claim everybody should be worshipped according to the Bible except Satan. All of a sudden you came up with "absolute worship" that you've not shown us in the bible.
Oga what is the Greek word for "absolute worship", where does the Bible make mention of it?

You also claimed that Jesus said no one should be called Father. So what is the Greek word for the "Father" that you call at home and The Greek word for the "Father" that Jesus said no one should bear.

Please come and answer. Don't run away.

Since he said Jesus' disciples worshiped him can he present a single congregation who are Jesus' worshipers so we can learn from them how their so called worship of Jesus is benefitting their assembly.

StillDtruth:
Off Point!
Plus of course Jesus and His people went about doing only good but we can see all the evils you and your cooperative society have done and do under the guise of doing good exactly how women kill. So please, leave matter for Martina Hingis

You have nothing tangible to say yet you want to accuse God's people now you're begging to end what you started without thinking twice.
Well everyone on the forum knows that it's when you have nothing to say you'll start using insults, abuse and curses to drive those you offended to leave you alone.
What evil exactly are God's people doing that you don't know how to explain?

StillDtruth:
Guns are not the only weapons used for murdering people as proven by the woman in Proverbs 5

That's how Pharisees are Sadducees also think about Jesus and his disciples despite the fact that they were peaceful people. Isaiah 5:20

StillDtruth:
Don't worry bout the but. We have eyes and we can see everybody's mission

If you truly have eyes that's seeing you won't compare a peaceful organization with terrorists simply because both keep money for common use!

‘You will indeed hear but by no means get the sense of it, and you will indeed look but by no means see. For the heart of this people has grown unreceptive, and with their ears they have heard without response, and they have shut their eyes, so that they might never see with their eyes and hear with their ears and get the sense of it with their hearts and turn back and I heal them' Matthew 13:14-15

StillDtruth:
So are bandits and herdsmen

YES!
But the mission is to search for friends of peace {Luke 10:6} unlike bandits and herdsmen who comes to attack people in their homes. Isaiah 5:20

StillDtruth:
See magu magu answer because your cult is a cooperative society like ajö!

Jesus and his group were a cooperative society that's why they had a treasurer {John 12:6} in their midst so only Jehovah's Witnesses are true followers of Christ!

Antichristian2:
Did i start the insult now or you did?

You insulted sanity in all humans when you equate a man who betrayed his friend to religionists who claimed they are worshiping the same God.
Please explain that to a little child and see how such a child will look at you.
How can you compare what a single man did to his friend with what two groups claiming they are both right yet they are all claiming believers in the same God but instead of using the word of their God to resolve their disparities they picked up weapons and started killing one another.
Ọmọ you can insult anybody if you wish but that comparison is from an olódo mind not from an intelligent mind!

Righthussle:
My own is simple, they say it's the curse the bible god placed on Eve that makes women feel pain and even die during childbirth and fortunately Jesus later came to die for that sin that brought the curse, why is the curse still there ? The day the bible god truly forgives and removes the curse that's the day I'll become a Christian.

The death of Jesus has not been applied yet because it will only be applied in the case of those who believe in him not everyone and that is when God's Kingdom begin to rule over planet earth but the name of those who have put faith in Christ has been written! Malachi 3:16
So it's not about you but those having faith though faith in itself is not a possession of all kinds of people! 2 Thessalonians 3:2

Truthseeker10:
So why do you still call your dad "father" when Jesus says that you should not?
Are you saying that the Greek word for "absolute worship" is "pas"? Kindly show me where "pas" is translated as "absolute worship" in the bible.

If i ask him to present his church where it is taught that Jesus is worshiped he will say Max has come again.
Is it not the result of worshiping Jesus we will like to know among them? Matthew 7:16-18

Someone say we should obey him they said they want to worship him by the end of the day all those claiming they are worshiping Jesus are confused with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines and not only that they easily resort to weapons in settling issues when Jesus taught his own disciples to love everyone.
So what has become all the worshipers of this their Jesus? Matthew 15:7-9

MightySparrow:
And you can be sure they are from Oyedepo's church or Kumuyi or RCCG? You are just delusional in your defense. Anyway,

Ọmọ your so called Christians are in bus stops begging for money to feed their families claiming it's to support their ministry!

immaculatesense:
Paul was Roman by Birth not nationality. Jesus like a Nigerian parents who gave birth to an American citizen. Is such a child a citizen by birth or nationality?

In a nutshell Paul was a Jew born in the Roman province which means he is not a Greek by birth so what makes him Greek that you now read all the New Testament with strict interest in Greek language if none of them is Greek?

MightySparrow:
Catholic is not competent with over a billion members or Anglican or Assemblies of God with almost 70 million people. You are only about 9 million you will allow people to rest.

Why not count only the active preachers who are going to visit people in their homes just as Jesus commanded among them?

Water flows freely so people the world over can get water pure or impure but wine requires preparation and hard work to get so Jesus is saying it costs his father much more than you can think to release His only begotten Son for the mission! Revelations 12:1-2

infoblogafrica:
Christopher Hitchens.

New Encyclopædia Britannica says: “As far as scholars have discovered, there has never existed any people, anywhere, at any time, who were not in some sense religious.”
Do you think it's coincidental that all the people throughout the world believe in God/Gods even though they never sat down to agree?

immaculatesense:
Lol...Max.
Paul was a Roman citizen by birth born in Tarsus.

Is Paul Roman or adopted nationality?
Is Greek the language of Romans?
Why did all New Testament writers use Greek if they are not from Greece?

Gabrielshow24:
I always knew you had semantic problems!
Don't you know I was mentioned among "others"
Oh I see, no wonder you claim Michael as the sole Archangel when he was mentioned as "one of the chief princes(archangels)" 🤦🏾‍♂️
You're indeed bereft of logic!!!

So the first person he could mention is Max whom your folks say is a liar yet he emphatically said he doesn't want anyone to come arguing shey?
I have heard you!

immaculatesense:
Ahhhh...Max.
The New Testament was never written in Hebrew sir. No sir. Only the Old Testament was written in Hebrew.

Which Bible writers was Greek by birth?
Thank you!

MightySparrow:
The same was C.T Russell of Jehovah's Witnesses'. Oh you are now denying him as having nothing to do with Jehovah's Witnesses. I have reiterated it severally that JW is all about delusion.

C.T Russell is surely one of us so if you call him the founder of Jehovah's Witnesses we can take it up from there.
Today what has become of the group he founded?
Millions throughout the world have become fully competent and completely equipped as preachers and teachers of God's word never to raise weapons against anyone be it friend or foe.
Ọmọ that's the fruit Jesus (Prince of Peace) talked about! Act 1:8

Antichristian2:
Don't let me abuse you grandpa! No be today we don dey relate here! You're an elder! Respect yourself!

Jesus chose Judas. Jesus promised the 12 thrones in heaven, Judas inclusive! Then Judas betrayed Jesus. That's an internal crises between the disciple and the master! So Even Jesus and all his disciples were not one!

Guy insults has always been your way of life right from inception on Nairaland it's shame that made you stop doing so with me not respect.
You are a dullard if you equate a sadist who remorsefully committed suicide to people who carry weapons in support of different leaders to kill one another yet claiming they believe in the same God.
That's an indisputable fact.
Nobody supported Judas' action neither was he proud of what he did but in your own case you will see Muslims from two opposing sides claiming they are right while your Quran is there with them to correct themselves yet they turn to weapons.

MightySparrow:
That's exactly what we are saying. Just give an example of one person doing babiya Allah from these churches.

You have your own guiding principles and these have. If someone is a committed member, he would be taken care of. That I know. I don't know much about the workings of your organization and have never attended any of your meetings.
In the pentecostals, we help ourselves in our own ways. I don't need to tell you how. We sure do if you are a committed member not someone who is JW today, Catholic tomorrow, CCC day after. When I had nothing I enjoyed that, even in my university days as an indigent student . I know people from my place, your members that are super rich, they have not sold the companies and shared the money among the less privileged in your organization. So, what are you taking about.

OK so whenever anyone is found in the bus, street corner or public square begging for money in the name of God such a person is not a Christian.

Do you agree?

MightySparrow:
He was just an innocent man diligent in his driving his earth moving machine and got an encounter as Moses'. You don't believe in that?

Each founder of a religion will tell you something nice about himself if you ask Muslims how Muhammad started they'll tell you something good.
That's why Jesus said we should wait and see what becomes of such a religion! Matthew 7:15-20

Antichristian2:
Even among the disciples of Jesus there was no peace! That's why one of them betrayed him. So you should cancel Jesus too.

Olódo!
Judas killed himself due to remorse not like your fellow Muslims fighting and killing their fellow worshipers yet maintained that both sides are right.

That's the difference!