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immaculatesense:
No sir.
The English translation is inconsequential in comparison to the Greek because the Greek is the original language of the writer.

NO!
The original language of Bible writers is Hebrew not Greek they borrowed this language because it's the common language most people back then understands.
So if they had to use Hebrew no one was worshiped by faithful people except the only true God but because they used another language that's why you want to argue now that someone else apart from the only true God should be worshiped.

MightySparrow:
It is your organization that has problems with others who don't believe you exist. Is it Oyedepo, Adeboye, Kumuyi and others that have time to mention your organization in their preaching , teachings, or media. It is your organization playing Pharisees and Sadducees. If not for my interaction with your kinds in my family, what do we have in common.
Continue to be a judge over God's people: who sent you message?
Rom.14.4 - Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

This is NOT PREACHING rather it's about riches taught in the Bible so if there are religions claiming Christians but they can't practice the type of riches Bible talked about then they are not Christians!
What type of riches does God's word teaches?
It's not about few individuals accumulating assets worth billions of dollars while members of the same religion are beggars or paupers rather it simply means there will be found no beggars among them and when it comes to what is needed to practice pure worship adequately all members will have it.
That's what God's people in ancient times practiced as common wealth so that both the rich and the poor among them could serve as priests and prophets of God and be well recognized among them unlike today that it's only wealthy ones are recognized among you people.
Among Jehovah's Witnesses recognition is given to our brothers globally as we are all looking forward to imitate the faith of such ones whether they are rich or poor.

immaculatesense:
Max.
You know you are being clever by half.

The example you cited about love is in direct opposite of worship we are discussing and u shot urself in the leg.

Now i know the type of person you really are!

Are you saying all languages have a way to interpret each word?

If Greeks rendered the word LOVE alone in almost 7 different ways whereas English uses the same word LOVE that shows you can't always translate languages word for word to drive home the message of an author who speaks another language.

Jesus keep talking about OBEDIENCE to the son of God not worship so if we can use both words then whenever that Greek word is used for Jesus it could only mean OBEISANCE NOT WORSHIP!

Gabrielshow24:
That's the evidence of "freedom"
Even fools are allowed to speak🤧!!!

Why didn't he remember your name when he wanted to learn from the Bible if truly Max has been lying?
Certainly you love deceit!

immaculatesense:
Smile.
It's you trying to prove that Obeisance is different from Worship now, as though the scriptures was originally written in English.

Some languages have boundaries which makes it difficult for translators to work on the correct interpretation of what the original author meant.
For instance the Greek language you keep talking about has several rendition for one English word "LOVE"
EROS~ romantic
PHILIA~ friendly
AGAPE~ unconditional
LUDUS~ playful relationship
STORGE~ family relationship
PHILAUTIA~ self worth or esteem
PRAGMA~ has outgrown challenges
Do you think it can make sense to a Greek reading your article if you apply EROS to the love you have for a car?

So if the Greek translating what you wrote before his friend now apply LUDUS then suddenly another person insisted that in English (language of the original author) there is no separate rendering for LOVE but choose to us EROS instead how does that sound to you?

Jesus never ask anyone to worship him instead he consistently emphasize on obedience to what he says because it's from his father who dearly loves and trusted him. So a reasonable translator will make use of his own initiative while choosing the best English rendition to drive home the message which is OBEISANCE!

delkuf:
The Lord Jesus is God but not God the Father

Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” John 20:17

We have only one God who is the father of all creations! 1Corinthans 8:6 compare to 1Timothy 2:5

I just love the way your friends who often criticize MaxInDHouse making you feel Max is lying have come to grace your thread with arguments and doing exactly what you asked them not to do which is bent on quoting and correcting one another!

immaculatesense:
Max.
Don't be clever by half sir.
Let my quote from your Bible. I have almost all versions of scriptures on my phone. So, let me quote yours and you will answer my question on Obeisance and Worship as used in your own version.
1. Hebrewz 1:6
But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let all of God’s angels do [/b]obeisance[b] to him.”

2. Revelation 5:14
The four living creatures were saying: “Amen!” and the elders fell down and [/b]worshipped.[b]
Max, this is your JW version.
My Question.
Can you tell me the Greek word(s) used for both Obeisance and Worship?
I put it to you that both are the same Greek word [/b]proskuneo[b] and that they are not different words but for ulterior motive your translators used two different words.
Note: I have the original Greek and Hebrew Bible.
Thanks.

Context is the answer because people did Obeisance to Moses, Saul, David so because a language doesn't have another way to express two different things shouldn't blind a real scholar from differentiating such words.

MightySparrow:
Is catching witches all you know about Ayọ Babalola?

Nothing unique in his so called ministry!

StillDtruth:
Did you see them want or lack anything?

Just as you can't find any true servant of God today lack or want! Psalms 23:1; 37:25
But when talking about accumulating assets here on earth Jesus kicked against it! Matthew 6:19-21

immaculatesense:
What is the difference between Obeisance and Worship? I believe you know the meaning of synonyms.

Obeisance means do whatever this one commands.
Worship is rendering sacred service to this one.
Only God deserves our sacred service but in the Bible Moses was given Obeisance, David was given Obeisance, Elijah was given Obeisance by people who had the fear of God none of them was worshiped yet people refer to them as lord!

MightySparrow:
Why are so concerned about all other ministries?

You said:

MightySparrow:
Choice and purpose.
He (Jesus) left inheritance for us more than money and houses. That is why nobody is fighting for anything inheritance but faith in His name.

So how come your pastors are fighting over material possessions if truly they belong to the same rank with us? 2Corinthians 11:12

Do you now agree that your pastors are not on the same page with Jehovah's organization where we have no issues with material possessions?

Your kinds who wanted to establish such are choked so they can't practice that nonsense in the congregation of the true God that's why they always complain bitterly about God's organization yet they find solace in no other religion!

MightySparrow:
Choice and purpose.
IHe left inheritance for us more than money and houses. That is why nobody is fighting for anything inheritance but faith in His name.

You love deceiving yourself sha!

What caused the rift between Oyedepo and Abioye?
What of Adeboye and the head pastor at Ajah?
What of C.A.C. that Niyi Adedokun sang about in his album "church wa ń mẹmu"?
Guy you love deceiving yourself!

Gabrielshow24:
I kindly recommend, you give Max "CBS" , he really needs it!!!
Thanks but I have something greater that doesn't need me taking "drugs" to attain "enlightenment".

Funny churchgoer!
If only you know what CBS means among God's modern day worshipers.

Well continue deceiving yourself this is what one of your folks said about Max

Newgoodkk:
MaxinDHouse is Coming up with much more Lies , U haven't seen Enough Lies . Wait !

But when the same person started asking for the truth as found in God's word the Bible imagine the first name that comes to his mind!

Newgoodkk:
Why did God create the devil to destroy His plan?

Some Would say , The Devil wasn't Created to destroy God's Plan but Sin Entered into him and He Turned Against God .

God created Everything, Where did SIN Emanated from ?

Did the Devil Creates SIN ?

The Devil was Said to be among the Angels ..Right ?
Does the Devil too has Flesh ,Was Sinful Spirits Parts of the Devil's Creative Components ?

if this is true ,Meaning God Puts in that Sinful spirit in the Devil ..

Was it God's Original Plan to Make the devil acts the way he did .

Remember Judas...Christ Must be betrayed for the Prophesy to be fulfilled .

Revelation 12 V 7..And there was War in Heaven ....

Pls. We need Knowledge, Don't turn this into Unnecessary Argument, Make your Comment and don't try to force your View, Comments and Believes on others.

Don't come on here and starts commenting like God .

If you comment, Wether right or wrong Leave others , they have right to believe or not .

MaxinDHouse, Kobojunkie , Dtruthspeaker and others You are all Welcome.

MightySparrow:
By their actions fruits we shall know them.

Jesus said "by their FRUITS" whatever is hidden in the minds of a founder will be revealed when others begin following his path. Mark 4:22
Babalola of C.A.C. started as if he's doing God's work but today where are his fruits (followers)?
Are they also catching witches and wizards like Joseph Babalola?
NO!
WHY?
Because what the man had in mind has nothing to do with Jesus of Nazareth.

So the same is applicable to Muhammad who claimed he's from the God that sent Jesus, he greeted PEACE, he spoke about PEACE but where is the PEACE he spoke of back then?
Even only among his followers there is no peace! Matthew 7:16-18

immaculatesense:
Can your explain Hebrews 1:6 otherwise?
Hebrews 1:6
[6]And when he brought his supreme Son into the world, God said,
[/b]“Let all of God’s angels worship him.”[b]

But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let all of God’s angels do OBEISANCE to him.”

The word is OBEISANCE not WORSHIP!

MightySparrow:
maximumSide does not understand the meaning of poverty. Riches are not only measured by material things but also things that will make things that money can buy to obey you. For instance The Pope, head of Catholic Church, if he says he needs ten latest personal jets today, his people would gladly provide them.
There is a difference between inability and choice. Jesus wanted to feed thousands of people, He provided without begging. He wanted to pay tax, He provided the money. He wanted to appreciate Peter after using his boat for preaching, He provided fish.
I heard about a rich man in this Nigeria who claimed to have not touched a paper currency for the last twenty years. Every request is directed to his personal assistant for attention.
Jesus was more than that. No situation can embarrass Him. That is prosperity mhen!

So when he died how much did he keep as assets like your Gods of men today does while quoting the same scriptures to extort money from you?

Truthseeker10:
So you agree with StillDtruth that Jesus makes himself equal with God but he is not the Almighty God?

Perhaps he also said people shouldn't pay taxes to Caeser after all that's one of the allegations against him! Luke 23:2

Truthseeker10:
So the Angels Worship a God who is not the Almighty?

Sometimes i wonder how most people thinks!
Their translators used worship in place of obeisance so they can't fathom what is missing in the link!
When John wanted to worship an angel sent to show him some sacred secrets he told John:


'I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who keep the words of this scroll. Worship God!”' ‭Revelation 19:10; 22:8-9 NIV‬


The angel directed John to worship God whom Jesus called our God and father! John 20:17

MightySparrow:
U fit research Sha!

"A good man brings good out of the good treasure of his heart, but a wicked man brings what is wicked out of his wicked treasure; for out of the heart’s abundance his mouth speaks" Luke 6:45

It's out of the riches of your wisdom that you can speak so if someone raised such threads i already know what is contained in his brains there's no need bothering myself with such a person.

I'm sorry that's why i often ignores you too because i've not seen anything worthwhile in your posts!

NigerianAngelo:
2 Corinthians 8:9:
"For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that being rich he became poor for your sakes: that through his poverty you might be rich."

So which of the apostles became rich o?

Botragelad:
It's not a universal command for all believers. It was directed at a specific individual, one who claimed to have kept all the commandments since his youth.
According to your Bible, Jesus saw that his attachment to wealth was his stumbling block, the thing preventing him from true discipleship. Got it?

How come Jesus is POOR?
He said:

“Foxes have dens and birds of heaven have nests, but the Son of man has nowhere to lay down his head.” Luke 9:58
In fact when temple tax collectors asked him for money he has to perform a miracle to pay up! Matthew 17:24-27
After his arrest the soldiers found no money on him so they gambled over the only thing they could get which is his inner garment.
So if Jesus himself was POOR materially speaking who is that person that's closer to God than Jesus o?

BlackfireX:
Islam is a religion of peace.

Of course but it's just unfortunate that all vicious and deadly thugs in this world are affiliates of Islam.

See person wey you follow dey yarn:

Adam and Eve never got lawfully married.
https://www.nairaland.com/8179357/adam-eve-never-got-lawfully
Men belong to God women belong to Devil
https://www.nairaland.com/8361434/men-belong-god-women-belong
It is wrong to say Adam and Eve
https://www.nairaland.com/8326327/see-how-blame-men-started
Why women hate men and children.
https://www.nairaland.com/8316478/now-see-why-women-hate
The evil women can not do does not exist
https://www.nairaland.com/8273590/evil-women-not-does-not
God hates women and does not easily talk to them.
https://www.nairaland.com/8305216/see-why-god-hates-women
Satan is Cain's father not Day.
https://www.nairaland.com/7929942/math-7-16-shows-us

Walahi talahi you get time to waste.

So StillDTruth, true2God, DTruthSpeaker and other monikers he's using interchangeably that you are taking seriously like this?

cornelboy:
God and god are same words
Muslims use capital G for their "God", Buddha's worshipers use capital G for their "God". What does that tell you?

You are just giving yourself unnecessary headache let his folks continue dancing around in delusion, it's when he knows his case has been trashed that he starts calling others names just to make them leave him alone.
You've told him the fact but he will never listen as long as it's coming from the same person he wants to accuse.
How many of his folks are with him on this?
They all know him for who he is!

Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3 compare to Matthew 5:13-16

No wonder everyone is looking up to JWs when it comes to what the Bible really teach!

When asked:
"what is the greatest commandment?"
A first century young Jewish man said:

You must love ......... your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind and with your whole strength. Mark 12:30

Why did he say this?
He said:
"Store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consumes, and where thieves do not break in and steal." Matthew 6:20

Centuries before him his ancestor David who was a songwriter said:

Happy is the man who does not walk according to the advice of the wicked And does not stand on the path of sinners And does not sit in the seat of scoffers. But his delight is in the law of ......., And he reads His law in an undertone day and night. Psalms 1:1-2

So whoever loves his or her God will always think of what his or her God says and continue reading in an undertone day and night, that can only be possible when you have an app of the word of your God in your mobile device.

May you have peace!

Newgoodkk:
Pls. We need Knowledge, Don't turn this into Unnecessary Argument, Make your Comment and don't try to force your View, Comments and Believes on others

It's just a pity that most people don't like being orderly, despite reading what the OP says this still turned to unnecessary argument.

I remember you once said about me:

Newgoodkk:
MaxinDHouse is Coming up with much more Lies , U haven't seen Enough Lies . Wait!

But out of all Nairalanders it's the same MaxInDHouse that first came to your mind when you need knowledge of what the Bible teaches!

Newgoodkk:
Why did God create the devil to destroy His plan?
Some Would say , The Devil wasn't Created to destroy God's Plan but Sin Entered into him and He Turned Against God. God created Everything, Where did SIN Emanated from? Did the Devil Creates SIN? The Devil was Said to be among the Angels ..Right? Does the Devil too has Flesh ,Was Sinful Spirits Parts of the Devil's Creative Components? if this is true ,Meaning God Puts in that Sinful spirit in the Devil.. Was it God's Original Plan to Make the devil acts the way he did. Remember Judas...Christ Must be betrayed for the Prophesy to be fulfilled Revelation 12 V 7..And there was War in Heaven ....
Pls. We need Knowledge, Don't turn this into Unnecessary Argument, Make your Comment and don't try to force your View, Comments and Believes on others Don't come on here and starts commenting like God. If you comment, Wether right or wrong Leave others , they have right to believe or not. MaxinDHouse, Kobojunkie , Dtruthspeaker and others You are all Welcome.

I believe by now you have something better to say about MaxInDHouse because i wonder how someone could be a liar for real yet you choose him first to know the truth!

Well perhaps you should start another thread and invite all argumentators in to come and show their talent but as for this thread it's messed up already!

Gabrielshow24:
What issue exactly do you have with my comments? 🤔 Probably you can't answer my questions🥲, How pathetic🤦🏾‍♂️
Did they prick your heart?
Also, I have no time to exchange words with you.
I have dropped what I came for.
And I have also gotten your complete allusions on your book - PRIMUS CONVENTUS!!!
if you have a problem with that, sulk it.
We have better things to worry about than your fragile ego🥲.

Nnamdipapa:
Max, do not descend to the levels of these people, and never let them get to you. I have noticed your interactions on NL for years and I see emotional maturity and the way you carry yourself, I have yet to see in the average Pentecostal Christian.

Questionnaires:
MAXINDHOUSE is The Only Reasonable Christian That I've Come Across On This Forum That Creates Discourse And Debates Without Trying To Hurt The Emotions of Others No Matter How They Don't Agree With His Philosophy.

Matthew 5:16

Gabrielshow24:
Indeed, I am just calling your attention to your theatrical completion of your modern treatise on Angels - Primus conventus - and its logical implications 🙃.

It's just simple you don't have regards for orderliness, according to the OP you should just drop your own opinion about the topic of discussion and leave whatever others believe:

Newgoodkk:
Pls. We need Knowledge, Don't turn this into Unnecessary Argument, Make your Comment and don't try to force your View, Comments and Believes on others Don't come on here and starts commenting like God. If you comment, Wether right or wrong Leave others , they have right to believe or not.

But as you're not trained to be orderly the fruit will speak! Matthew 7:16-18