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1-2. What situations could make us shed tears?

immaculatesense:
Max
Expose? That is for God to do at his coming and it will be revealed to the world the intention of every humans hearts.
I PAY MY RESPECT.
I BOW OUT.
THANKS.

Ọmọ you are deceiving yourself!

Truthseeker10:
You are funny...you have just been jumping form pillar to post without reaching a conclusion whether the theory of evolution or the bible is true or false. From your logic, there is actually nothing that is really true or false as far as there is a percentage of truth or false in it. So do you agree that all churches are true?

Wetin you wan mek atheist tok wen you dey force am on top hot seat?

immaculatesense:
Max.
What do you gain by manipulating my words and put it in the way I didn't. Why?
If that makes you feel good and happy. I won't deny you that sir.
ENJOY THANKS.

I'm happy to expose your iniquity today that you are a worker of lawlessness as you don't want to join God's modern day worshipers in doing God's will despite seeing all their good work! Matthew 7:16-18

So you can now disappear never engage me in any discussion until you explain how possible it is for you to work with ancient prophets of God despite knowing their flaws yet you can't work with their modern day counterpart for what you term as flaws?

‘If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have shared with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ Matthew 23:30

immaculatesense:
Max
Lol.
I also believe that they are imperfect humans too.
Did God tell Peter to not eat at the same table when the friends of James walked in?
Was his behavior God influenced or human influenced?
Galatians 2:12
[12]When he first arrived, he ate with the Gentile believers, who were not circumcised. But afterward, when some friends of James came, Peter wouldn’t eat with the Gentiles anymore. He was afraid of criticism from these people who insisted on the necessity of circumcision.
ANSWER OOO

Guy you can run but you can't hide from the truth!

You are deceiving yourself!

I perfectly agree with you that there has never been a time when inspired writers or God's prophets were perfect in their activities yet faithful people will dedicate their lives to join them in doing God's will.

So what stops you from joining the dedicated millions of people who are obediently working with the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses today as representatives of the true God?

Truthseeker10:
So the bible is not false...but the bible contradicts . Is that your final answer?

I have put immaculate in his rightful place!
He respected Jehovah's Witnesses, our dedication and our works of faith but he keeps deceiving himself about the flaws of those taking the lead among God's modern day worshipers.
But the hypocrite said he believe that all inspired Bible writers are imperfect so they are fallible except Jesus Christ who is a perfect son of God and he said he would have joined those working with them yet in his own time he can see a peaceful global organization of worshipers as promised in the Bible {Isaiah 2:2-4} but because of what faithless people are saying about them he will not join them in doing God's will even though he highly respected them.

Truthseeker10:
Are you denying that the claims that the bible contradicts itself ? So would I be wrong to say that the bible is false?

No it's not false it's just contradictory yet we need to use what is contradictory to convince others into believe the author of a book that's contradictory!

Ọmọ whenever i remember how i joined the JWs i always say:

"thank you, thank you, thank you to all members of Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide my God will continue to bless you people for locating me!"

tctrills:
This one will try emotional blackmail till you agree with him that I am evil.

Ọmọ i'm still dealing ruthlessly with that liar who calls himself immaculate!

immaculatesense:
Yes, I would.
Peter even showed his flaw twice in scriptures. (1) When he denied Christ (2) When he was led astray by the friends of James and Paul rebuked him.
But I still believe in the letter of Peter, because it was his own message to the believers at the time. Thanks.

Now it's evident that you are deceiving yourself!

If you will accept those people as God's representatives and join them in doing what other dedicated servants of God are doing with them then what stops you from accepting the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses as modern day representatives of the same God?

Truthseeker10:
If you say that 1 contradiction makes you claim that the bible contradicts, would I be wrong to say that 1 contradiction makes the Bible false?

Atheists are easy to catch.

We goes to their homes to TEACH them but they will not listen.
OK if he is quoting what seems like a contradiction to him what about Jesus and John the baptist?

John the baptist said he is not Elijah! John 1:19-21

Jesus said John the baptist is Elijah!
Matthew 11:14

Please ask him what caused the contradiction?

immaculatesense:
Yes. I would.

Are you sure that after seeing the flaws of inspired prophets like Moses, Isaiah and the first century disciples of Christ knowing fully well they are imperfect you will be submissive to what they are doing with others who are supporting them in doing God's will?

YES or NO!

immaculatesense:
I didn't intend to engage him at all. I never did that..
You pointed my attention by claiming he is an atheist. As a believer who want to be Just like the scriptures encouraged me to, it behoves on me to confirm from him before making my judgement of his person. I have done that and I don't need to engage him unless he himself want me to clarify something he wants clarity on
Thanks.

tctrills:
Evolution is a very broad topic. It has lots of contradictions and accepted truths

No wahala no wahala i'm seeing your true color now!

immaculatesense:
No one can come to the Son unless the Father bring him. I tell people, whatever you are looking for in the scriptures you will see it. If you are looking for God, you will see him, if it is the devil you will see him there. If you are looking for errors, e plenty, you will see it there.
At least Job served God without any scriptures to read only oral traditions and conscience.

Back to you question. I will believe in God irrespective of human flaws. We have agreed earlier that humans including the apostles have their human flaws. We started with that today.
SO, THE WORD OF FOD IS INSPIRED BY A PERFECT GOD AND CONVEYED IN SPEECH AND WRITING THROUGH IMPERFECT HUMANS USING IMPERFECT LANGUAGES.
THANKS.

Guy i don't need all these epistle all i need from you is a YES or NO answer.

If you lived as a contemporary of God's inspired writers would you have joined them in doing what they were inspired to write down after discovering their flaws?

YES or NO!

Truthseeker10:
🤣🤣🤣

Even immaculate self no fit talk again!

I'm highly disappointed in immaculate Ọlọ́run Ọba ń gbọ́!

tctrills:
Evolution is a very broad topic. It has lots of contradictions and accepted truths

Truthseeker10:
You claim that the bible contradicts. So i am asking you. Can a man see God? Yes or no?

You have put the guy on a hot seat!

immaculatesense:
I believe in God who is in himself perfection and I believe the Bible as the word of God inspired by a perfect God to some imperfect humans with imperfect languages across the ages.
Thanks.

Please if you lived as a contemporary of God's inspired writers would you have joined them in doing what they were inspired to write down after discovering their flaws?

immaculatesense:
Max.
I am sorry to disappoint you sir. It is not intentional, it is just my way of confirming this from the horse's mouth.
Thanks.

Do you believe that the Bible is God's inspired word? 2Timothy 3:16

immaculatesense:
Contradictions?
I am not afraid of contradiction in the scriptures because it is written by human and humans are not perfect. They are only INSPIRED, God did not hold their hands to write it.

Do you believe in the Bible as God's word?

Truthseeker10:
🤣🤣🤣what are the known truths from the contradictions that you posted. If I say that you are a boy and I say that you are a girl, what is the truth from my contradiction?

I'm highly disappointed in immaculate, in fact i now realized that i've wasted my time with someone who is so naive like that!

immaculatesense:
Max.
You used *Jehovah* for Elohim in the original Hebrew.
It means you agree that Jehovah and Elohim can be interchangeably used for "god" and they both mean "god".

Psalms 14:1
[1]Only fools say in their hearts,
    “There is no God (Elohim).”
They are corrupt, and their actions are evil;
    not one of them does good!

Thanks

YES nah, atheists don't believe in the existence of any GOD, God, god at all that's what the Psalmist is saying but as a worshiper of Jehovah we must apply the name of our own God because we believe He is the only true God!

immaculatesense:
An atheist is defined as some who do not believe in a god. Not someone who disagree with some things about his God. So, he is not an atheist since he believes in God. So, it is wrong to call someone who believes that there is God an atheist. Thanks.

Chai, so upon all your gra-gra you could be this naive.
Ọmọ i'm highly disappointed in you!

First of all "GOD" means "SUPREME BEING" so since we can't see Him it's only through His written word we can be sanctified as one {John 17:17} therefore if there is contradictions in what we need to be sanctified then what makes Him God?

tctrills:
Stop pretending to be foolish. You know the meaning of atheism

I'm still talking to immaculate o!

The Bible says:

The foolish one says in his heart: “There is no Jehovah.” Psalms 14:1


Our God Jehovah has helped us to solved the puzzle, you won't say it with your mouth it's hidden in your heart!

tctrills:
If I am an atheist, I will be teaching that there is no God. Your new friend is a shameless liar. He is shameless because he doesn't mind being exposed.

Immaculate may be naive and unable to read within the lines but we JWs are fully competent and completely equipped {2Timothy 3:17} when handling all kinds of people because we are spiritual men {1Corinthians 2:15} we can draw out the deep thoughts in your heart with one on one discussion! Proverbs 20:5

That's why your pastors always tell you not to engage Jehovah's Witnesses in one on one scriptural topics.

You have slapped God's face with that statement that His word contradicts itself so you are even was than someone who publicly declared himself an atheist!

Edmond and Jules de Goncourt, collaborating French writers of the 19th century, wrote: “If there is a God, atheism must strike Him as less of an insult than religion.”

You are saying God's word is contradicting yet that's the same book you want to use in setting matters straight with your fellow believers. 2Timothy 3:16

Ọmọ you funny no be small!

immaculatesense:
Sir. I am sorry to mention you.
Will you like to share your thoughts with me? What you believe and what you don't. Max claimed you are an atheist but I need to confirm that from you and not just take his words for it. The scriptures taught me that.
Thanks.

I'm beginning to see your real personality, someone said God's word is contradicting itself:

tctrills:
Yes I am. A few contradictions don't remove the truths in the book

And you're still asking if he is an atheist?

Abeg what makes a person an atheist if not their feeling that there is contradictions in the book we are using as God's word?

immaculatesense:
This verse was premised on the verses 15-17 which gives the church the ability to excommunicate and also after repentance pardon and incorporate a believer who has refused to abide with a peaceful resolution with his fellow believer.

I know you will fall into the trap that's why i didn't start from verse 15!

Please if it's not a global group how can a person be truly excommunicated?
So if a person is excommunicated in your house as a Christian how does that affect his relationship with others who don't believe in what led to his excommunication yet they are all claiming believers in the same Christ?

Do you now see why Jesus refer to people like you as Workers of iniquity? Matthew 7:21-23

Only Jehovah's Witnesses organization truly excommunicate an evildoer because he or she can't associate with any of our congregations throughout the world that's why lawless ones in our midst are always crying day and night on Nairaland due to being excommunicated for wrongdoing!

Guy you can't defend faith in Christ Jesus if you are not one of Jehovah's Witnesses i swear!

immaculatesense:
Max.
Matthew 18:20
[20]For where two or three gather together in my name, I am there among them.”

The passage doesn't say 200 or 50 or anything. It only said wherever (in the house, in school, at work place, in the village square) wherever two or three (fellowship begins with two, not fifty) are gathered in his (Jesus) name as believers. He will be there (anywhere).

He is the one that knows his sheep and his sheep know him John 10. I know him and hear his voice. That enough for me. You may deny me, Jesus never deny me. He has the final say, not you and obviously not the governing council.

Thanks

You love deceiving yourself walahi talahi!

Let's go through the context of what Jesus said in that verse:

“Truly I say to you, whatever things you may bind on earth will be things already bound in heaven, and whatever things you may loosen on earth will be things already loosened in heaven. Again I tell you truly, if two of you on earth agree concerning anything of importance that they should request, it will take place for them on account of my Father in heaven. For where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there I am in their midst.” Matthew 18:18-20

Here Jesus is talking about how his Apostles should establish a doctrine so that such a doctrine will be binding on all their followers globally. Act 15:28-29
So if anything happens and they want to establish a doctrine they must come together and pray in Jesus name that is what will bring Jesus into their midst to guide them by God's Holy Spirit into all the truth in God's word {John 14:26-27} for peace to reign among all believers throughout the earth! 1Corinthians 14:33
So don't think Jesus is with you in your apartment where you pray with your nuclear family as Christians o, you must join a global team that is preaching and teaching from house to house and door to door in your neighbourhood! Matthew 10:11:13

You can never ever achieve that without a global family of peace loving worshipers!

immaculatesense:
So I care about personality? No. That was why I didn't mention his any but decided to use ANYBODY instead. I am not looking for supporters, will they give me anything? I speak the truth (my version and views and not Lord it on anyone) from my clean conscience and pure (unbiased) knowledge of scriptures.

Guy nobody is asking after your supporters what i'm telling you is that tctrils doesn't believe in God or Christ all he does here is join any ongoing discussion but after noticing that he has been left behind in his preconceived opinion he starts denying all that he has said!

immaculatesense:
I am a true follower of Jesus and I abide by all his teachings (ALL).

The followers of Jesus do assemble with their fellow worshipers because they have an assigned duty to carry out in all their neighbourhood {Matthew 10:6-13,; 28:19-20} their meeting together is to help them continue without let up in carrying out this commission {Hebrews 10:24-25} so if you are thinking Jesus has any business with you whereas you failed to associate with those unitedly doing the work he assigned then you are deceiving yourself big time!

immaculatesense:
He is not arguing with you that the Father is not different from Jesus.

This shows you have not been following the discussion conscientiously because tctrils doesn't believe in anything he just wants to argue whenever he notices people discussing about faith in God.

For your information he has commented that Jehovah is the same person called Jesus but when he noticed that everyone has left him behind in whatever claim he made he will deny his submission before you all!

immaculatesense:
I agree with you. Maybe you haven't come out clean before, because you have been speaking and defending as though you and you group had no flaws at all.
Now we can agree.
Me, Idle? Max. I am not, I do my father's biding and will at all times. And if I am besseted by sin, my father through Jesus forgives me and leads my back into his will. That is how much he loves me and that is how much I trust in his mercy.
Thanks.

Even God never spoke of His Organized worshipers as perfect people {Psalms 103:12-14} He acknowledge that imperfect humans will surely have flaws in whatever they lay their hands to do {Jeremiah 10:23} but no matter what you think if you are not associating with His worshipers you have no business with Him.
So what is the name of that gathering where you associate with fellow believers? Hebrews 10:23

I know you don't worship anywhere that is evident in all your posts therefore you have been deceiving yourself even Jesus the perfect son of God never miss the gathering of God's people because he knows how important it is to assemble with true worship! Psalms 133:1, 3b compare to Hebrews 10:24-25