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delkuf:
I will like any jw to come and TEACH me how the Lord Jesus Christ is an angel.

Why do you always think about what JWs believe?
There are thousands of different religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines all claiming they believe Jesus so what makes the JWs so dear to you?
First answer this question then you have what you so much desire:
Someone to TEACH you among JWs!
Good morning!

Janosky:
Did any human being give birth to himself?
No at all.
Therefore,Your analogy is very faulty.
Did Jesus Christ @ John 10:34-36 & Psalms 82:1,6 disagrees with your claim?
Yes, Jesus did.
You have to convince this forum that Psalms 82:1,6 & John 10:34-36 is not in your Bible.
John 17:22, Jesus said the God, the disciples & Jesus are one".
Take notes that no mention of holy spirit in John 17:22.
Do you know why Jesus disappointed you @ John 17:11,22?

The key word "like God" meaning a god/godlike/divine.
Did Jesus agree with Psalms 82:1,6 that the God Almighty Yahweh calls his sons gods?
Yes.
A god @Psalms 82:1,6 meaning godlike or like God (meaning divine..
Sons of God are godlike NOT the God their Father.
That is the point Jesus taught you @John 10:34-36. Jesus the only begotten Son is a god.
Oga, see the screenshot evidences and learn something.

The OP wants to attack JWs unknowing that even those they thought are with them are scattered spiritually speaking.

Sometimes i just enjoy watching from a distance as they are doing their GBAS-GBOS!

delkuf:
this guy you are so lost

MaxInDHouse:
Whatever makes JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES false means John the baptist and Jesus of Nazareth are both false prophets too!

That's an indisputable fact!

Study the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses!

The organization that's fulfilling what Jesus promised:

“You are the light of the world. A city cannot be hid when located on a mountain. People light a lamp and set it, not under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it shines on all those in the house. Likewise, let your light shine before men, so that they may see your fine works and give glory to your Father who is in the heavens" Matthew 5:14-16

All eyes can see the organization of the true God!

Nnamdipapa:
Not abandoned but sent to a hell prepared by God for such a purpose according to your Bible. A hell prepared to threaten people into accepting Christ.

Satan is a highly intelligent being who has studied humans for thousands of years so he knows how to manipulate things when it comes to their thinking faculty.
First of all the only punishment for sin is death (a return to non-existence) God is happy seeing His creations flourish and cohabiting peacefully to His glory but when any of them is going astray He extends a helping hand to correct the straying one not to worsen their condition for that brings Him no pleasure.
A return to non-existence (death) puts the sinner in a condition where he or she becomes completely inactive and that solves the problem:

For the one who has died has been acquitted from his sin. Romans 6:7

When the living person dies there is not a single thing he or she could do again {Ecclesiastes 9:5-10} so the only hope such a person has is a call back to life and God only has the names of good people in His memory as for those who chose to be evil deliberately they have had all their share in God's gift (life) they will never be remembered during resurrection! Psalms 9:17

immaculatesense:
At least you admit flaws. That's a good way to start at least.
I won't address the other point you madecos it's not necessary.
At least we have both come to a conclusion that Jesus is sitting on God's throne. That's cool.
Thanks.

It is necessary because if you fail to see that the first century disciples of Christ had flaws you will continue deceiving yourself anticipating a group with no flaws that's what has kept you idle all these while without joining any group of worshipers to worship your god!

immaculatesense:
You organization have my respect.
Thanks.

What you failed to understand is that only Jesus perfectly understood all that has to do with his father's program and despite being with his disciples who were born, bread and brought up with him as Jews physically they still found it hard to grasp his messages not to talk of people who can't see him physically but dealing with him through the means of God's Active Force.
Surely they will also have their flaws but just as there is no group in the first century Jewish community that could stand the faith of Jesus' disciples no group on this planet today can stand the faith of Jehovah's Witnesses.
So this people have it whether you agree or not!

immaculatesense:
Ohhhh...okay, let's not border going down the memory line of Charles Russell an the dates.
Let me just respect that view and not prosecute it.
At least we have been able to accertain that Jesus is sitting on his father's throne with his father on his right hand of honor.

Let's leave the dates. I understand the whole thing. I don't like unending argument, let me just save both of us the stress.

Whatever you think doesn't count until you are able to present a better performing group that's globally doing the work Jesus assigned to his disciples whatever the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses say regarding interpretation remains unchallenged! Matthew 7:16-18

@ Nnamdipapa.
Note that the current debate with you is due to the commendation you gave Max one of Jehovah's Witnesses:

Nnamdipapa:
Max, do not descend to the levels of these people, and never let them get to you. I have noticed your interactions on NL for years and I see emotional maturity and the way you carry yourself, I have yet to see in the average Pentecostal Christian.

That post really touched their nerves just as other posts where Max has been commended in the past:

Tayorshd87:
Awesome input 💯
That's true logically

Questionnaires:
MAXINDHOUSE is The Only Reasonable Christian That I've Come Across On This Forum That Creates Discourse And Debates Without Trying To Hurt The Emotions of Others No Matter How They Don't Agree With His Philosophy.

Questionnaires:
You Are One of The Smartest Christians on Nairaland and in Nigeria At Large.

Sojourner2000:
For real... It's hard answering this when I know for sure that the God we are referring to is just an illusion that most humans chose to accept as a reality.
Anyways I wanted to commend you for the hard facts you have been dropping and how you have been tackling responses. I need people like this in real life. Everyone around me is just dumbed down

These are comments from ATHEISTS not to talk of others who are religionists.

So don't think they want to reason with you rather out of spite they are coming against you!

immaculatesense:
Read my reply to janosky just above ur comment. Jesus is not currently in David throne but will be in David throne during the millennium, but currently still on the Father throne till the appointed time of the Gentiles is complete. Thanks.

That's your own opinion but what we believe is that he has been sitting on David's throne since the year 1914

immaculatesense:
1. Where was David throne when he ruled over Israel? Was the throne in heaven or on earth?

According to God's promise Christ is to rule over the earth from Jerusalem right on David's throne {Isaiah 2:3; 9:7} that is why his disciples were anticipating quick transition after his resurrection {Act 1:6} but just as he told the Jews his kingdom will no longer be established in the land of the Jews due to their unbelief! Matthew 21:43; 23:37-38

So when he promised his corulers that he is taking them to another location {John 14:1-3} he is talking about where God decided to take that seat of Government to instead of Jerusalem on planet earth!

immaculatesense:
The funniest thing is that I know most of those scriptures off hand and other related verses talking about the same thing which helps me in two ways. Easily locating related scriptures and also given proper context and interpretation.

Back to your reply.
If Jesus is sitting at the right hand of God and God sits on his throne according to where you quoted in Psalm 110:1 and also supported by Stephen in Acts 7:56 and Jesus said that right hand was on his father's throne in Revelation 3:21.
Doesn't that mean that Jesus after his ascension was and is still sitting at the right hand of his father on his father's throne?
Is it not that simple to add up?
Thanks.

Solomon sat on God's throne yet he was here on earth. 1Chronicles 29:23

So sitting on God's throne simply means rulership over God's people!

immaculatesense:
David's throne and God's throne.

Are you joking or you want to learn?

God's throne is in heaven and whenever i say "God" i'm not talking about Jesus that's what you thought the other time.

Any anointed King over God's people is sitting on extension of God's throne no matter where such a person is:


Then Solomon sat on the throne of the LORD (JEHOVAH) as king instead of David his father, and prospered; and all Israel obeyed him. 1Chronicles 29:23

So the throne Jesus is sitting presently is the one David sat that was promised to the Christ an extension of God's throne!

immaculatesense:
Max.
I am sorry for wasting your time sir.
BUT YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS SIR.
1. Which apostle worked for the government in the scriptures?
2. Which passage of the scriptures proves that there are two different thrones in heaven in which the Father is sitting on one and the Son is sitting on the other?
THANK.

Our Governing Body members (Apostles) don't do secular works. After Jesus chose them they stopped their secular works {Matthew 19:27} but other disciples are working wherever they get employed unless military services because Jesus commanded them not to hate anyone. Mark 12:31

Psalms 110:1
Jesus' throne is at God's right hand which means he has God's backing.

Please whenever i cite a scripture make sure you read it because if you don't i will not continue wasting my time.

immaculatesense:
That's what I am asking you ooo. Because in your analogy you said Jesus was king over the Jews but the Jews played politics by demanding for a king and that's what made politics wrong.
So, I am now asking you. When did Jesus become the king of the Jews? Max?

You misquoted me!
It's Jehovah that's King not Jesus!

immaculatesense:
Max
Ahhh...why do you want to keep boxing yourself sir?
Should I start quoting scriptures on everything Jesus went through and how everything was prophesied from the scriptures including the roles of both the Jews and the Gentiles? Everything from his birth to his ascension was prophesied.

Max. You have find a way to escape or evade my question ooo.

WHICH SCRIPTURES SHOW THAT JESUS SITS ON ONE THRONE AND HIS FATHER SITS ON THE OTHER?
THANKS.

immaculatesense:
Max
you haven't really answered my question. You always point to the apostle on everything you do in JW and why other Denomination who does it are not following the pattern the apostles laid.
So, I am asking you which apostle laid the foundation that JW following that allows them to work for government which they are not allowed to vote into positions?
Since the apostles did not involve in politics and JW incorporated that. Why is it that the apostles did not work for the then government, but JW refuses to incorporate that.
Should we call it cherry picking?

Find a church that will understand you or start yours i don't have time to waste with people like you!

Westerhoffe:
The same time you spent on this can be spent on replying.

Stay away from the foolish man, For you will not find knowledge on his lips. Proverbs 14:7

What many have said about Maximus:

Nnamdipapa:
Max, do not descend to the levels of these people, and never let them get to you. I have noticed your interactions on NL for years and I see emotional maturity and the way you carry yourself, I have yet to see in the average Pentecostal Christian.

Tayorshd87:
Awesome input 💯
That's true logically

Kingsempires:
I know you and I don't agree on the same christain doctrine but I grab point in some of your preaching
I learned something on this your comment

SeniorMan715:
The way you explain and answer questions, sometimes i wonder if truly you are a human or an angel. You know everything.

Questionnaires:
MAXINDHOUSE is The Only Reasonable Christian That I've Come Across On This Forum That Creates Discourse And Debates Without Trying To Hurt The Emotions of Others No Matter How They Don't Agree With His Philosophy.

Questionnaires:
You Are One of The Smartest Christians on Nairaland and in Nigeria At Large.

CJStarz:
Guy, I just dey reason your talks.
U dey make sense shaaa.
But ur oda brethren wey dey yarn opata here, I go soon reason im matter.
You're trying to prove me wrong in my assertion which I'm beginning to see but that guy is a complete wacko.
Wetin be im name here sef.
Let me check

CJStarz:
Na you wey just convert from Islam be d correct Witness.
Achorlady just dey yarn off point

Mayflowa:
Wow! See Bible scholars! So impressive!

naturefellow:
Amazing! Thanks for the input. Knowledge added reading it.

Treborblue:
Wow insightful thanks very much

Jacktheripper:
This sounds particularly interesting.

Sojourner2000:
For real... It's hard answering this when I know for sure that the God we are referring to is just an illusion that most humans chose to accept as a reality.
Anyways I wanted to commend you for the hard facts you have been dropping and how you have been tackling responses. I need people like this in real life. Everyone around me is just dumbed down

So there's no need wasting my precious time with people like you!

immaculatesense:
MaxInDHouse
You have not answered my question on working for the government who entered through politics and earning your living from them.
Which Apostle worked for the government of either the Herods or the Pilates or the Caesars.
Shouldn't we follow their footsteps by not working for government who entered office through politics?

Obviously you don't want the truth now i know why my brother and his wife just keep you at a distance.

Well continue visiting them there is no need arguing blindly over this if you like go and vote for politicians we don't do so!

immaculatesense:
Max.
Why do you keep boxing yourself?
If Jesus has been the king before the Israelites asked for a king and Saul was chosen, then later David. It means Jesus was king before Saul and David in Israel shey?

How can Jesus be King before David?

Nnamdipapa:
Max, do not descend to the levels of these people, and never let them get to you. I have noticed your interactions on NL for years and I see emotional maturity and the way you carry yourself, I have yet to see in the average Pentecostal Christian.

The mad boy will come quoting me and while i try to reason with him the next thing is calling me names so i told him not to quote me again but the idiot start saying he wants to rebuke his father.

immaculatesense:
Max
Lol...you keep boxing yourself.
Before the Jews ruined everything?
Was Jesus supposed to be crowned king in his first coming?
Wasn't his first coming for his death and penalty for sin? And his second coming to be crowned King in Jerusalem on David's throne?

Of course you are truly a churchian!

If the Jews had accepted Jesus the Roman emperor will surely execute him because due to the preaching and teaching of his disciples Romans will start considering Christianity and just as Vladimir Putin banned Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia the Roman emperor will start a war against the religion that's disarming (weakening) his people against their enemies and since Jesus' disciples aren't supposed to fight he will be arrested and executed just as it happened.

So anyway a close confidant will betray him and he will be killed.

immaculatesense:
Max.
Lol. Let me agree without conceding even though you analogy is flawed because not everyone who voted is a politician.

This is where you failed woefully!

When the Israelites demanded for a King what do you think they did?
Well that was a unanimous vote against the King who chose them as His people right from the beginning: Jehovah God.

That's what makes them politicians!

immaculatesense:
Max.
You are only boycotting the answer. All the passage you quoted are up there in the brain but you didn't right divide them.
If I ask you another question from the explanation you quoted now, you will make mistakes again the believe of the JW.
Let me tease you small before I go back to my main question you left unanswered.
Teasing questions:
Has Jesus taken the throne of David already or Jesus will take the throne of David in his second coming during the millennium reign?
Let me see maybe you will contravene the JW doctrine because you seem to have box yourself based on the reply you gave above.

BACK TO MY QUESTION.
Which scriptures prove that there are two throne IN HEAVEN (not on earth, David's throne) where the Father is sitting on one and the Son is sitting on the other?

Thanks.

You are really funny!

You dodged the question i asked you just to go back and forth thinking you are smart shey?

Well before the Jews ruined everything for themselves Jesus is expected to rule from where exactly?

cornelboy:
What is the meaning of Christ?

Perhaps they don't understand that it simply means the anointed saviour and i wonder what they makes of Daniel 12:1-3

“During that time Miʹcha·el will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of your people. And there will occur a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time. And during that time your people will escape, everyone who is found written down in the book.  And many of those asleep in the dust of the earth will wake up, some to everlasting life and others to reproach and to everlasting contempt. “And those having insight will shine as brightly as the expanse of heaven, and those bringing the many to righteousness like the stars, forever and ever.

What else do you call Michael who is standing for the SALVATION of God's people?

immaculatesense:
You have not answered my question on politics and government employment. Or should I take ur silence as "you don't wanna talk about it?"
I Will respect your wish.
Thanks.

Employment is not supporting any man's government it's like you working under a boss who can fire you if you're not competent enough for the task {Proverbs 23:29} unlike you being a politician who joined the struggle to help your choice secure the seat in government, whether competent or not you must be given a position in that government.

Do you get it now?

immaculatesense:
Revelation 3:21 shows they both sit on the same throne with Stephen's vision showing that Jesus sits on the right hand of the Father on that throne

If you don't study the Bible from Genesis you can never ever understand what is written in the book of Revelations!

The throne God promised the Christ is David's throne {Isaiah 9:6-7; Luke 1:32} or God's throne? Chronicles 29:23

Humble yourself and study the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses, let us teach you what is written in our book: Bible!

Year 1914 the beginning of the end!

immaculatesense:
Max.
I want to agree with you, sincerely I really want to, but Revelation 3:21 is saying otherwise but maybe you can just show me a place in the scriptures I am not seeing that prove your point and I will just agree. I am that simple. I await.
Thanks.

This is why we often plead with you people to STUDY not just read the Bible with us. Note that your friendship with us is neighbourly you are not on the same page with us so i will go straight to the points then you can ask them to expatiate more:

*God's Kingdom was established with the first human couple in Eden.
*God's Kingdom left after the rebellion in Eden.
*It was restored after God established a nation called Israel.
*They are to become kings and priests for other nations to benefit from them.
*They demanded for a King and God told them that human kings will maltreat them because He is their rightful King.
*They were supposed to wait for God's anointed King and Priest who will teach them how to help other nations.
*But they rejected that arrangement and continued practicing idolatry.
*God punished them several times until the arrival of the anointed King and Priest.
*They rejected the anointed King and all what God sent him to teach them.
*The few Jews who believe in the anointed King felt worried because of horrible things he said about Jerusalem.
*So Jerusalem the supposed center of God's Kingdom on earth was rejected by the anointed King.
*He consoled his faithful friends that he will go and establish his kingdom in the heavens.
*He will come back and take his corulers there with him.

God's heavenly throne has been there from the onset and as God's first human son Adam supposed to be our father here on earth who will be dispensing truth about his heavenly father to all his descendants but after he became a rebel he lost that privilege that's why Jesus have to step in as replacement for Adam. So the purpose of Christ's 1,000 years reign is to help obedient mankind gain perfection after which he must go back to his position as God's heavenly son while we will be having a direct dealing with our heavenly Father and God but we can never ever forget what Jesus did to help us regain the glory we as humans have in the beginning before Adam's rebellion.
So the throne designated for Jesus was not the one God has always sat on from the beginning rather another throne was set up in heaven to replace earthly throne in Jerusalem that was condemned due to the attitude of Jews! Matthew 23:37-38


If you have any question let me know!

immaculatesense:
Max.
I have engaged them, even planning to do Easter with them at the kingdom hall. We just talked lightly about. I tease them sometimes and we just make fun about somethings. I respect them a lot and they do same. Just like I am teasing you now and your trying to deflect.

So ask (not tease) them because your salvation depends on knowing the truth not teasing up and down thinking everything is alright!

immaculatesense:
Max.
Do your agree with Cornelius that Jesus and his father have two different throne.

The funny thing with you is you always underestimate the oneness in thought among Jehovah's Witnesses.
Don't stay here please go to anywhere on this planet and ask any JW.

Jehovah and Jesus have separate thrones!

@ Immaculate.

I will TEACH you so you can ask them later to confirm but say the truth you never engage them on this topic before now!