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immaculatesense:
Max.
You know our conversation is with mutual respect and I appreciate that. But you have shied away from my direct question.
If they are not permitted by scriptures to vote for politicians to be in government because non of the apostles whom you follow after didn't involve themselves in politics, thats good, but should they also be making their living off the government that comprises of this politicians because we don't also see the apostles work for the then government to make their living? They excluded themselves totally and did their private work.
Shouldn't they also exclude themselves from being paid by the government they didn't vote in and do their private practice or business to make their living?
Since we are following the lifestyle of the apostles. I do not think we should cherry pick. Should we?
SMILES.

Na wah for you o!

How long have you known these people?

Why can't you iron out this matter with them since they are with you there and you are their friend?

I'm sure you never engage them on this matter that's why you are imagining things instead of asking them.
They will never ever vote for any leader because it's crime against humanity and God not because Apostles didn't vote o!

cornelboy:
If Jesus is Jehovah according to you, why do they have different throne?

This thread makes it easy but trust these misinformed religionists they will still not get it.

To them Jehovah vacate His throne and Jesus sat on it!

immaculatesense:
No, they don't sir.

So ask them nah after all they are your friends.

One thing you failed to understand about JWs is that you are not their brother in faith but you are their neighbour so we are peaceful with everyone around us no matter your religion! Romans 12:18

For our neighbours Jesus commanded us to LOVE them as we do ourselves {Mark 12:31} for our fellow believers he commanded us to LOVE the same way he love us. John 13:34-35

You can't know the difference so i will expatiate:

LOVE like ourselves means we should do what we expected others to do for us to a neighbour but LOVE just as Jesus loves means preparedness to die for our fellow believers if the need arises.

So we love all our neighbours equally it's for our fellow believers that we have what is called LOYAL LOVE!

immaculatesense:
I am even at their place now. What a wonderful people. They don't vote and the husband is also an elder, a very good one at that. I respect them and they do same to me.
Having answered your question. What say you sir?

Do they vote?

immaculatesense:
Smile. I have had such discussions with them and we have reasoned brother.
I do not think based on your point sir, that we should work for that same government and collect salary from them. Because one of these my friends is a seasoned doctor in the Federal Medical Center here in my state and the Federal government pays him monthly. His wife whom I am also very close to is a seasoned electrical engineer in this same medical center under the pay of the federal government.

WHAT SAY YOU SIR.
WE CANT VOTE THEM BUT WE CAN WORK FOR THEM AND COLLECT OUR EARNINGS FROM THEM?
Which of the disciples worked for the government or herods or pilates or Caesars or make their living by working in their government or regime.

Brother, look at things from different lenses and your knowledge of the scriptures will benefit more lives because I know your intentions are pure.
Thanks.

Ask them why they don't vote first!

With Jesus the Prince of Peace we are achieving the unbelievable!

immaculatesense:
Max. When the righteous rule, the people rejoice but when the wicked rules the people groan.
Who are the righteous?
Why do you think believers should back out of politics?

Go and ask your JW friends since you're saying they don't see anything evil in the things you do i'm sure they will explain more to you while sitting face to face with them.

One thing i can tell you is that it's a crime against God and humanity to back any human ruler after John the baptist and Jesus of Nazareth has declared saying:

"The Kingdom of heaven is at hand" Matthew 3:2; 4:17

Jehovah's Witnesses organization!

Pure worship restored at last!

immaculatesense:
You are correct sir. But same Jesus said in
Mark 9:38-40
[38]John said to Jesus, “Teacher, we saw someone using your name to cast out demons, but we told him to stop because he wasn’t in our group.”
[39]“Don’t stop him!” Jesus said. “No one who performs a miracle in my name will soon be able to speak evil of me.
[40]Anyone who is not against us is for us.

Whoever it is that believe that there is a maker of the universe who will just his work whether good or bad and lived a good life towards his neighbors. Whether or not they are In my group, it doesn't matter, I love them as I would a brother.
Thanks.

You missed the mark!

That person is facing a community where anyone who profess to believe in Jesus will be castigated so he is already one of Jesus' group but the Apostles thought since he is not with them bodily he can't be a disciple.
That totally differs from what is happening today, different religions claiming Christians yet participating in politics and wars are no part of disciples of the Prince of Peace!

God's organized people worshiping as one! John 17:22

God's organized people the light of the world! Matthew 5:14-16

immaculatesense:
Smile. I belyyou already gotten my analogy. Thanks sir.

We are not scared to be different! Matthew 10:24-28

immaculatesense:
Sir. I am not against that. I called my God "Jehovah" too. I am only saying the difference between the Father and the son has nothing to do with the name.
It is a FACT that The Father is Greater and Superior to The Son.
I am only saying, since a lot have agreed to the above, let's not complicate it with the name again. Thanks.

Complications results from choice when all of us need to figure out the group God is using to dispense spiritual food.

We Jehovah's Witnesses believe our God is using only the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses so whoever disagree with that can't possibly be a worshiper of our God! Matthew 24:45

Westerhoffe:
I don't need anyone to learn from me. Rather, I want EVERYONE to learn from the LORD JESUS CHRIST Himself.

He knows best and teaches best.

Do you think I'm sent to make people follow me?
JESUS CHRIST is the Truth of the message.
So stop misleading people.

I can see you are hungrily running after me from thread to thread but i have told you that there is no sufficient time to waste on people like you.
So if you feel like teaching go out there and fish for your students there is freedom of speech, expression and worship you have no right to deprive anyone from airing his or her own opinion about God!

Do enjoy your day!

immaculatesense:
You know the etymology of the name JEHOVAH is controversial. The semitic language at the time and the Canaan people have a god called Yahweh at the time according to the Ugaritic text which predicted the book of Job which is the oldest book of the Bible. Just like Yoruba adopted "Olorun" as the Yoruba translation of the Jewish god during the Crowder's translation.
So, let's take the Fathers name as the Father and the supreme god and Jesus as the son of the supreme god.
Let's just leave the concept of Jehovah for the Father and all that. Cos that will bring a question of is "El" then the Father of Yahweh (Jehovah? Those specific names complicate history and I do my best just to stay away.

If that's your own opinion fine but that's the name uniting millions throughout the world as peace loving worshipers so there is no need disputing over what is YIELDING POSITIVE RESULTS!

immaculatesense:
6 will be 6 to me if I am looking north and it will be nine to you if you are looking south. Who is wrong and who is right? The one facing south or the one facing north? It will be difficult if you are a judge to pass verdict if you don't look at it from both side. People will just claim you are biased as they used to claim that you are biased towards JW doctrine.

That's how many rejected Jesus so it's not new!

Westerhoffe:
You don't have time, or you don't want to get scrutinized and exposed of your false doctrines?
Only those who do not know the truth will 'learn from you' instead of 'learning from the truth of the Word of GOD.'
Because I don't see a blind leader leading anyone into anything but in the ditch.

No wahala go and teach whoever wants to learn from you i have lots of students in my neighbourhood who anticipates seeing me all the time!

tctrills:
Jesus Christ taught and many did not accept him. It was never a problem.

Ọmọ if it wasn't a problem then why are Jews till today disputing over Jesus being a prophet from their God?
https://premierchristian.news/en/news/article/proposed-bill-to-criminalise-speaking-about-jesus-in-israel-is-just-one-guys-axe-to-grind

There is a lot you're missing walahi talahi!

Why is it that some atheists can't live by their own words?

jaephoenix:
You have brought this your illiteracy to this thread abi
What did yhwh mean when he says he knows all the hair in our body?
Also its clearly written that yhwh is all powerful and all present. I have shown you numerous Bible passages but the trash your cult brainwashed you with is still disturbing u

jaephoenix:
Clearly you don't read your Bible. Yhwh was looking at the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah and said they are evil before him. Several passages he had to witness evil plenty

jaephoenix:
Bro, maybe I'll stop debating with you. You don't answer questions, but instead deflect it to answer a different question.

God's organized people!

Westerhoffe:
Well, I'm looking forward to engaging with you MaxInDHouse anytime on any topic I see your erroneous teachings and doctrines again.

I don't have that time when there are many out there anticipating to see me and learn!

Sand2022:
The scripture you used to show God Spirit is on your religion because of not bearing arms didnt say "they must", "they must". The prophecy is about uniting people peacefully without them learning war of fighting. So if God spirit is with you just because you don't fight, the same applies to the others. You can't shift the goal post now.
The book of Isaiah 2 and Micah 4 is clear.

Continue deceiving yourself!

God promised and his son came to teach us how to apply it practically so if any religion is not following what Jesus taught step by step they are not on the same page with God! John 14:6

immaculatesense:
I know you know me sir. I have never believed anyone is wrong on any issue sir.

That's why you can't be my brother in the faith because one must be right while the other must be wrong if we are truthful to ourselves there can't be two contradicting statements and both will be right!

tctrills:
Always going back to childish arguments. The reason we don't mention our church is because we are not looking for distraction like you.
Our goal is to teach and discuss the word of God not to partake in some fetish church competition.

You can't teach when the other person never accepted you as his or her teacher!

immaculatesense:
You know , I don't argue. I look at issues from all lenses. You were correct on your point, he was correct on his. Both of you are saying different things but on one point. The Person of Jesus and his relationship with his father.
He was more focused on the person of Jesus and the authority he has
And you were focused on the relationship of Jesus with his father which made his father superior to him because he delegated the authority to him.

NO!
He is saying Jesus is Jehovah that's what Trinity means!

delkuf:
we may be members of different churches but we all agree that the Lord Jesus Christ is the son of God who came to this world and died for our sins. So church here doesn't matter. What matters is to kick against lies that the devil and is occultist group like jw are spreading. The Lord Jesus Christ can never be a angel. He is the son of God

OK nah!

immaculatesense:
Holding that one side must be right and the other wrong is the flaw sir. Jesus is not interested in denomination, he is interested in the individual who does his will.Thanks.

So what are you doing here arguing over DOCTRINES?

You guys just love lying to your own souls!

immaculatesense:
I don't think you disagree with that sir. Thanks.

You people can never ever agree on the same doctrine.

For instance see what this one is saying:

Secular music listeners have a special department in hell!
https://www.nairaland.com/8351473/secular-music-listeners-special-department

tctrills:
Wrong, I know that the Father delegated Authority to his Son. That was never my argument.
Infact, I am arguing that the Father gave all things to his Son. And that all titles of the Father belong to the Son.

delkuf:
it seems you are new here in nl. You don't know maxi and what he stand for

@ Immaculate
Where are you?
Do you see what i'm saying?
Only Jehovah's Witnesses can agree but all of you are SCATTERED spiritually speaking! Luke 11:23

The reason why you guys are ashamed to mention the name of your church is not to expose yourself because members of the same church don't agree that's why no church has agreed to do the work Jesus assigned to his disciples as he commissioned it each of you will just go to the streets and start making noice claiming he is preaching!

immaculatesense:
The issue is BOTH OF THEM ARE CORRECT. But they didn't just know they are looking at two different points.

Another flaw!

It's either one is right while the other is wrong, this is the reason why you people have formed over 41,000 sects all claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines!

tctrills:
You too like to find fault.

If this is what you think i will leave you with Cornelboy!

tctrills:
you don't need books written by members of your organization to teach the gospel.

This is the reason why i said it is impossible for TWO of you no matter how serious you may be can agree on how to do the work Jesus assigned to his disciples!