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Kingsempires:
ok let me for example if you and your wife and your children is in the house and some thieves came into your house and you rush and hide them and your wife and an you also hidden too so the thieves now found them were they you hide them and Rob everything in your house and want to kill your family and you have the opportunity to kill them as self defense,are you go to left all of them to die all in the name that you want to imitate Jesus way or will you kill them just to protect your family?

Do you store material possessions to invite the thieves?

Remember what Jesus said:

“Stop storing up for yourselves treasures on the earth, where moth and rust consume and where thieves break in and steal." Matthew 6:19

If you do who is inviting them?

AntiChristian:
We are against unjust killing!

Please explain what your Allah consider unjust killing.

Is it permissible from the standpoint of your Allah that Muslims kill Muslims due to political or ethnic conflicts?

If yes is your answer please is your Allah the Creator of all the nations?
Does your Allah view himself as the SUPREME RULER over all Muslims?

Please i need answers to these questions!

Petalss:
The decision to leave a religion doesn't inherently validate or invalidate the truth of its doctrines, it merely reflects a change in personal belief.

Our ancestors left idols to welcome books from foreigners doesn't inherently validate or invalidate the truth of the doctrines of their newly found faith it merely reflects a change in their personal beliefs!

1914

Jesus became king in the year 1914!

Kingsempires:
No vese oo make I ask you a question;
Is self-defense a sin?

From God's viewpoint self defense starts from adhering to the wise counsel from Jesus Christ God's only begotten Son. Matthew 7:24-27
So if you failed to act in accord with Jesus' wise counsel {Matthew 5:39-42} but allowed discussions or matters to lead you into serious issues to the point of violence {Proverbs 17:14} then you are guilty of whatever happens afterwards! Proverbs 22:3

So learn what SELF-DEFENSE means from Jesus' standpoint otherwise Jesus may disown you for allowing yourself to be a tool in Satan's hand!

Kingsempires:

After a thorough meditation AntiChristian has agreed with me that it's not about what people claims to be but what the prophet they claims to follow teaches.
Yet he wants to argue with me about who are real Christians!

Petalss:
Okay

Alright!

Petalss:
Mentioning my name quoting MAX. Explain to me what it means.

He wants to make some sense against what i am saying!

AntiChristian:
It's none of my business about your organisation and its many heresies! You brought out one thread that's for you but left the tens of thread that were against you some of which you ran away from! Petalss

Ask them to present a better performing group than JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

AntiChristian:
No one was a Christian in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John! Christianity was christend by unknown persons and defined later after Jesus. All these your theories are falsehood!
Petalss

I can say same about your Allah, Muhammad, Quran and Islam.
All is falsehood if you're just bowing towards a black stone in a far away country but at every opportunity to fight and kill one another Allah, Muhammad, Qur'an and Islam is thrown into the garbage leaving adherents to fight and kill one another!

sonmvayina:
But Gods know both good and evil..
And that is why the world is in this state....
But if we follow laws we would live in peace and prosper. That is why i hammer on keeping the Torah...which does not include referencing an idol. As the practice would take us back as a species

The title GOD connotes SUPREME BEING.

So Gods don't need laws from anyone that's why Adam and Eve chose to become Gods on their own! Genesis 3:4-6

Those needing guidance aren't Gods!

AntiChristian:
Christians too fought so much from the revolution to the crusade! Except that you regard Jehovah witnesses as the only Christian

https://www.nairaland.com/5455718/how-jehovahs-witnesses-better-christians

This is a thread from one of those claiming Christians after carefully observing how Jehovah's Witnesses treat the Name of Jesus!

AntiChristian:
You always mention Muslims fighting themselves. How many Muslims are fighting themselves? What's the ratio? Even in your Bible did Jews not rebel against themselves and God? Does that make them still not God's chosen at that time? You need to get your grip on your Jehovah witness denomination and stop using your ignorant islamic past as a proof for you as it is against you! Islam is perfect but Muslims are not! And Christians too fought so much from the revolution to the crusade! Except that you regard Jehovah witnesses as the only Christian denomination authorised by Jesus in 1919 or so! So for 1919 years God left the world on autopilot! Muslims that are united are more than those that fights themselves! Islam is not weak! Some Muslims are actually weak but never the religion! This is the mentality of Jehovah witness you're promoting! You're being controlled by the Governing body from New York! You're the weak one that's been banned from many countries due to your heresies! And mind you not all those who call themselves Muslims are actually Muslims! Petalss

Whoever raise a weapon against his fellow man is not a Christian! Matthew 26:52

So no matter what anyone claims as long as he or she deliberately shuns the ORDER from the CHRIST such a person is no longer viewing Christ as his or her Ruler (King)

Petalss:
Those who engage in such activities inside a mosque would likely be viewed as not adhering to the tenets of Islam. It could also be considered deeply disrespectful to the religious practices and values associated with the faith.

That's why i will never ever agree with you that this your Allah is the same as JEHOVAH because Jehovah will not condone disrespect for His sovereignty by watching His worshipers picking up weapons against one another while He remains their SUPREME RULER.

Your Allah has infused in your heart hatred for such trivial case having to do with meals that could be eaten by your imam when he is about to die of hunger and thirst but overlooked cases that's leading his worshipers into exterminating one another.

The true God will never ever approve worship from anyone who kills his or her fellow believer no matter what the case may be unless if God himself declares judgment for execution upon an offender but while two persons are claiming wordhipers of Jehovah both of them must be willing to settle whatever case could lead them into killing one another.

The law @ Exodus 20:13 is strictly to avoid killings among adherents of His laws!

gohf:
Brethren God is NOT an author of confusion

This statement only works in the congregation of God but where Satan is playing hide and seek rebellious humans will worship together in deception claiming they are brethren!

MiddleDimension:
I suggest you open a new thread and invite me!

I will never ever open a thread to invite anyone!

If you want to learn about something from JWs invite them into your home when you see them in your neighborhood but if you're not comfortable with people coming to teach you in your own house then it's better you open a thread and invite me.

Wonderful thread!

Who is your God?

Petalss:
Allah.

Does your God approves drinking alcoholic beverages or eating pork meat?

Petalss:
Alcohol and pork are prohibited in Islam, and Muslims are expected to avoid them as part of their faith and practice.

Good!

Now if someone or group of persons decides that pork meat and alcoholic beverages should be meals served right inside mosques are such ones still wordhipers of your Allah?

Petalss:
Everyone makes mistakes or sins, but repentance and seeking forgiveness are key in many faith traditions.

This is where you are missing the point!

As imperfect humans we are prone to errors but repentance comes not from our own part rather it follows reminders.
You and i may disagree on something as both of us has his own opinion and wants to make it work for good but when someone mentions the name of our God at that moment showing us God's viewpoint on the matter whoever objects or insist on his or her own opinion afterwards is indirectly opposing God because at the mention of the Supreme One all of us must bow as in surrender.

I was a Muslim for years that's where Islam failed because two opposite sides claiming Muslims will have issues and none will remember Allah at that moment instead the issue will escalate into war where adherents will start killing one another yet at the call to salat everyone will enter the same mosque to bow towards the black stone in Mecca.

Surely Islam is weak regarding faith in your Allah at the name of your Allah all adherents supposed to surrender if Allah truly exists and is a God that's promoting PEACE (SALAM) among believers!

Petalss:
Lol. Truth be told. You have thought wrongly. And I am not a pretender.

I know when someone is uncomfortable with the truth but it's OK because you will soon run away from me.

But if you want to expose yourself please try to answer these questions:

• Who is your own God?

• Does your God approves drinking alcoholic beverages or eating pork meat?

Let's start from there!

Petalss:
Are are the faithful people?

I think you are getting it but you just want to pretend since the truth is making you feel bad about your religion.

Don't look at any religion as faithful people yet rather look at people who aren't seeing God but ready to love and cherish the lives of their fellow worshipers more than anything the world can offer.

That's the evidence that there is a SUPREME BEING in your midst!

Petalss:
Only you can understand yourself. I'm sorry I can't even comprehend what you are driving at.

It's Islam that's making it difficult for you.

If Allah says something and both of us wants to WORSHIP Allah do you think whoever chose to DISOBEY Allah still views your God as SUPREME?

It's as simple as that but since your own people often fight and kill one another despite bowing towards the same God in Mecca you can't understand that you people are practicing false religion.

Whatever makes anyone DISOBEY Allah's order such a person is no longer a worshiper of your Allah even if such a person is still hitting his or her head on the ground facing the stone in Mecca!

Petalss:
Yes, I am a Muslim.

Now i know why you find it really difficult to grasp the meaning of SUPREME BEING!

Only faithful people believe in that title and such ones will never ever raise a weapon against their fellow worshipers under the same supreme being!

Petalss:
Because he was disobedient, he was worshipping another God?

Disobedient to who?
Are you saying he accepted the one he chose to DISOBEY?
So in what way is such one a supreme ruler over Cain?

The title "GOD" has a deeper meaning that just what most people think.

Cain and Abel were supposed to be worshipers of the same God but when the one who supposed to be supreme ruler between the two men speaks and Cain turned a deaf ear it simply Means Cain never accepted that person as supreme head over him.


David killed Uriah thinking he is the supreme ruler over Israel but when Nathan appeared before David telling him what the one who is SUPREME over both David, Uriah and Nathan said David humbled himself and accepted correction.

So in the case where two persons disagree and there is no one to be respected or regarded as he who has the final say to stop the trouble from escalating it simply means there is no one to be viewed as supreme being in that scenario!

Petalss:
Where was the supreme being when Cain killed Abel?

There is no supreme being in that scenario!

God who is supposed to be the supreme being between Cain and Abel said Abel's sacrifice is better so Cain needs to learn from Abel therefore if Cain BELIEVES the one talking to be SUPREME RULER in that scenario he will not reject what God said.

So Cain kicking against God's word means both aren't worshiping the same God!

Petalss:
The existence of conflict among religious adherents does not negate the existence of a supreme being. Rather, it can be understood as a reflection of human free will, diverse interpretations of faith, and external social influences.

You don't know the real meaning Supreme Being!

The one who is supreme use his authority to maintain order within his domain, that's why there is law and order so that no form of free will surpasses law and order set by the supreme being.

So it's either there is no supreme being or the there are numerous beings claiming they are supreme!

sonmvayina:
We are spirit beings living within a physical body made from dust...okpe
When we expire we go back being spirit beings...
And the spirit is the same image and likeness as God..
So?
Please see psalm 104
Genesis 1 &2
Ecclesiastes 12...
For details...

Next time think before typing because you said you and others are Gods and if you know the meaning of that title Gods don't need to be guided by anything each has the right to do whatever he/she/it wishes without consulting anyone!

Petalss:
Maybe I should just guess your answer is NO to my question.

Which deities or religious figures instruct or condone the act of killing one's fellow human beings?
Are there any specific gods or divine beings in various mythologies or religious texts who are associated with commanding or endorsing such actions?

You need to sit down and meditate on the real meaning of that title "GOD" because adherents must think alike so adherents killing one another yet worshiping together simply means there is no supreme being in their midst or that's what their God wants!

sonmvayina:
Wisdom and Jehovah's witnesses are mutually exclusive....

You are a God and others are Gods too.

Then you Gods have a laws to guide you people.

Then another God gave you his status to help you Gods realize who you are and act accordingly.


All these simply because you don't want to hear about Christianity!

sonmvayina:
Exactly...we only have laws to guide us ..
So you lot should stop knocking on people's door and telling them rubbish...
God gave us statues to help us realize who we are and act accordingly...
No man is coming to die for anybody, you make a mistake. Confess and forsake and grow....that's the purpose of life.

You just keep amusing me each time you try to play smart because i am a million times wiser than you in reasoning.