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Emusan:
Even husband and wife coming together to be ONE was considered A MYSTERY which Paul even pictures the relationship between Christ and His Church with. And I'm very sure you believes in this SAME MYSTERY as well. How much more the mystery OF GOD spoken of many times in the scriptures. You want to make it sound as if saying God is a MYSTERY is a taboo to the scripture.

You may be offended with the way some of us responds to your comments i want you to know that such happens when people gets irritated but according to our own translation of the Bible our God is not connected to MYSTERY rather it's Babylon The Great which is the world empire of false religion that's connected to MYSTERY:

On her forehead was written a name, a MYSTERY: “Babylon the Great, the mother of the prostitutes and of the disgusting things of the earth.” Revelations 17:5

No servant of Jehovah from Abel to Jesus and till today can agree with you that our God is a mystery rather what we will tell you is that there are SACRED SECRETS that he has not revealed to us! Matthew 24:36

So if you see anyone promoting MYSTERY in the name of his God ask him or her:

If your God is a MYSTERY to you how do you think you can convince others to wholeheartedly love and trust this MYSTERIOUS God you are speaking for? Mark 12:29-30

The year 1914

The highway to holiness: Pure worship restored! Isaiah 35:8

sonmvayina:
Mad Max..
What is the difference??
Death is death...
Olodo...

Oh you've started the name calling already with the highlighted.

Death is death!

Why not wait until your wife or child dies then you will know the incomparable difference between one who has no pleasure anymore in life due to weaknesses and sicknesses that comes with oldage {Ecclesiastes 12:1-6} and someone who is still full of strength as in vigorous to eat, drink, go for recreation, sporting, partying and sexually agile.

richmond500:
Bruh, stop quoting passages from a literature book I already told u is all fiction just to prove a point. If u want to say something to an atheist, bring solid proof that is just logic and not dogma

There is lots of proofs but the most authentic is the Bible i am quoting it because you ignored it whereas it has said so much about myopic ones like you!

richmond500:
The only investigation u have is the bible.
That's very weird to call it an investigation.

That is the problem with people like you it's as if you locked yourself up in a room expecting everyone passing to see you.

Who told you that the only investigation is just the Bible?

I'm sure by the time you and i start the proper investigation you have just two options:

[1] If you are honest hearted and sincere you'll become one of Jesus' real disciples and start thinking of how to help as many people as you can.

[2] If you're biased and insincere you will hate me with passion and start trailing me all around the forum to get back at me for making you feel so empty with ATHEISM.

This i am telling you beating my chest with full confidence!

Kingsempires:
did you people believe that Jesus is the son of God or an angel?

Do you want accurate knowledge or you're just seeking validation for your own beliefs?

Jesus is God's Son {Matthew 16:16} and all angels are God's Sons! Job 38:7

AntiChristian:
So Jehovah gave them a different syllabus and upgraded the syllabus when Jesus came?

So where exactly did Christ talked about marriage and polygamy (not divorce)?

The laws God gave the Israelites was to guide them until Christ comes {Deuteronomy 18:18-19} so they will continue reading it to help them in keeping the code until the Messiah comes who will write the laws that quantify adherents for everlasting life in their hearts {Jeremiah 31:33-34} this means it will no longer be laws where adherents will have to stone defaulters but each will think deeply on what could prevent him or her from gaining the approval of the Christ who will judge all things! 2Timothy 4:1

According to Jesus i must love my neighbor as myself {Mark 12:31} so if i marry Dupe while we are both youths then decide to marry another woman to be her rival do i truly love my wife (who is my closest neighbor) as myself? Malachi 2:14

Guy abeg this is not Islam where you don't even know what you people are doing {John 4:22} rather this is CHRISTIANITY the highway to HOLINESS! Isaiah 35:8 compare to Matthew 7:13-14

AntiChristian:
Okay, I'll be patient!

Ọmọ this is not about your Islam where you just jump into insults when you're asked to think deeply on matters.

Benbellamor:
why not? we can agree to where the second wife will stay....A Man's happiness should not be deprived expecially when the first wife is becoming problematic....due to the influences of the Modern women on the Traditional women...yes I will agree

That is the fact that will silence him so if he wants to insult me or my mother no matter what he says i'm not bothered because if he truly loves his mother be can never ever accept a rival for her.

I'm also waiting for him to refute what i said then i will ask him if he has the liver to present what we are discussing here before his dear mother!

AntiChristian:
Don't worry then! When he refers to your mum we'll be hear to continue the discussion!

My own father was pestered by his family to marry another wife but he insisted that there's no reason for him to break the heart of his dear wife.
He wasn't a Christian he's another common religionist like most people but from what he said i learned a lot.

So if the guy said polygamy is OK to him then he should be ready to welcome the idea when his father chooses to marry another woman to make a rival for his own mother {Leviticus 18:18} and if the reason he will give for a man to get a rival for his wife is trouble making by the first wife then it's not a crime to ask him if his father is to go for polygamy due to the troubles his own mother is giving his father.

The problem with shallow minded ones like you is failure to think deeply on serious issues!

AntiChristian:
So you agree Jehovah gave David wives to harm him since polygamy is harmful?

Jehovah made law for polygamy though he knew it was harmful!

Jehovah didn't caution anyone despite many Prophets and righteous men marrying more than one!

David lived before the time Christ walked the earth so Jehovah allowed all of them to please themselves with whatever they want as long as the Christ is yet to come but after the Christ has come whoever fails to adhere to he wise counsel from the Christ is not worthy of everlasting life no matter who such person is he is doomed!

richmond500:
If you didn just 50% investigations of the points OP gave in page one. U will know that something is very wrong with the biblical god

He is just like you.

No thorough investigation! Psalms 10:4

richmond500:
narcissistic God in the bible.

There you have proved to be just what Psalms 10:4 says.

No thorough investigation you just summed up few things you heard and run a conclusion!

richmond500:
that's quite hilarious, cos it's religious people that didn't do any investigations, they just swallow whatever their pastors feed them with

Religious people you say not Christians!

richmond500:
Atheist are not bad people, they are just different in thinking.
They don't put believe on lies and deceit, imagine that trending "the chosen" testimony.
There are people that actually sat in church and believe those lies.
They are not different from other christians, everything was a lie created by our slave masters to deceive you guys.
They drew Jesus and Angels, make them white and made the devil black, we believed it and gave them all they needed without a fight.
Bullshit, today pastors are using same tricks while collecting what belongs to people without force, but they will tell you God has blessed them and when they f.up, your fear of God won't make you question them, cos you can't touch the anointed, yet they are just robbers with no guns.

You don't know what it means to be a Christian!

MiddleDimension:
Because he killed a man.

Obviously you don't believe the Bible but if you think you do please explain what David himself penned down here:

Jehovah examines the righteous one as well as the wicked one; He hates anyone who loves violence. Psalms 11:5

Matthew 7:15-23

Jesus has returned in the year 1914 and from that time he has been working round the clock to SEPARATE his own people from false religions {Revelations 18:4} so if you're still thinking that the churches of Christendom are for the Bible God then you need to make your own personal research.
Satan is using those religions to gather his own people just as Jesus foretold in the Bible. Matthew 13:24-30

Vengeful people gathers in religious centers where they keep nursing the idea that God will torment their enemies forever in wildfire.

Immoral ones gathers in religious centers where sex of all types is promoted: polygamy, homosexual, lesbianism, fornication, adultery, bestiality and many more.

Lovers of entertainment gathers in religious centers where they can be entertained every weekend to catch fun.

All these people are ready to pay for what Satan has established in other to keep it going but where true Christians are gathered to do the WORK Jesus assigned to his disciples most people detests it even hating those gathered their with passion! John 15:17-19

MiddleDimension:
OF COURSE, THE BIBLE HAS TO MENTION THAT IT IS BECAUSE THEY WERE A POLYGAMOUS HOME THAT THEY HAD THE ISSUE THEY HAD! OR YOU DON'T AGREE?

In the Bible God only make certain things clear when His worshipers fails to learn from their past mistakes but when someone knows what is right to do in most cases God will tell them to learn from the one who does things rightly.

God has used the stories in the Bible to teach all faithful people that polygamy is crime against humanity.

He gave Adam (the first man) only one wife he was the richest man ever so if God gave him just one wife that's the standard God established whoever goes against that is creating a problem which is to be resolved with time.

Lamech was the first polygamist in the history of mankind {Genesis 4:19} and from his example he was a violent man! Genesis 4:23-24

I repeat there is no single polygamist in Bible times that enjoyed peace and it's all as a result of polygamy.

MiddleDimension:
IT IS COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE AND VIOLATES ALL MORAL CODES THAT YOU INSULT HIS MOTHER, APERSON WHO IS NOT EVEN INVOLVED IN THIS ISSUE

Where did i insult his mother nah?

Please read with understanding and stop going about pestering me.

MiddleDimension:
May be you don't know, so, let me bring it to your awareness.

What exactly is your point?
I detests too much words that's empty please go straight to your point.

Kingsempires:

Don't mind them they're just seeking validation for their ATHEISM.

If someone chose not to worship his Creator anymore what's our own business in that?

sonmvayina:
Lol...

My dad died in my presence. I cried because we all loved him and I will miss him.
He has returned to my family as my second daughter....I am so happy. My dad is now my daughter...
Life has no end ...

Life seeking life...

Funny guy!
Who is talking about the death of an old?
I said your own wife or child.
Wait until you loose any in death before coming to talk rubbish.

Kingsempires:
hmmm

Muslims often try to play smart but try wisdom from God everyone will see that there's no peace in Islam if you look carefully.

He wants to condemn Shi'ite (Muslims) yet when this same Shi'ites are killed in far away countries by none Muslims Nigerian Muslims here will start agitating that their fellow Muslims has been killed by pagans.

So what is he trying to say?

AntiChristian:
This is the creed of the Governing Body of Jehovah witness HQ from NY!
It has no backing from the Bible!
God permitted it and later stopped it? Where exactly did God state that unambiguously?
Jesus didn't speak about marriage or Polygamy anywhere in the Bible!
What he answered was about divorce!

God promised that in Paradise there will be no cause for harm {Isaiah 11:9} throughout the Bible polygamy has always cause harm that's enough lesson to know that it's not God's will.

AntiChristian:
You should refrain from such direct questions!

That is what will make him see reasons after all it's not you so why are you so worried about how people are questioned regarding what they think about life?

AntiChristian:
Since it's not scriptural why mention his mum?

He's not talking from the scriptural point of view so we don't have to quote scriptures to solve the problem.

AntiChristian:
Must his mum be problematic for his dad to marry another wife?
Sometimes, people are indeed honest enough to admit that the Bible really does not prohibit polygamy (polygyny). However, as a hedge against that admission, such ones may then resort to saying one of the following assertions:
"Yes, but God never condoned polygamy."
"Yes, God allowed it, but He was against polygamy."
"Polygamy was only man's idea, not God's".
"Yes, but God never approved of polygamy."
The passage involving 2 Samuel 12:8 rather clearly reveals otherwise.
"And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things."
2 Samuel 12:8.
The context of the verse is that of God, speaking through a prophet (Nathan), calling out David for David's sin of taking another man's wife (Bathsheba, wife of Uriah the Hittite), which is adultery indeed, and for setting up the death of Uriah the Hittite to try to hide David's sin.
Also, at the point in time of this situation, David had already been married to at least seven known-named wives. (1 Samuel 18:27, 25:42-43, 2 Samuel 3:2-5.)
But, in this verse 12 (above), God was not condemning David for all his wives! In fact, this verse 12 shows God Himself actually saying that HE was the One Who had GIVEN David His wives.
If God was against David's polygamy, He certainly would not have said that He had GIVEN David his wives.
But the LORD did not stop there. That verse 12 shows that the Lord took it even one step further than that! The LORD God even went on further to say that if David had wanted more wives, the Lord Himself said that He would have given David even more!
It was only because David had sinned, in committing adultery by taking another man's wife, and then causing that man's death to try to hide David's sin, that the Lord was calling him out through the prophet Nathan. There was no sin in the polygamy at all.
This is later confirmed that this was the only matter by 1 Kings 15:5, which says the following:
"Because David did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, and turned not aside from any thing that he commanded him all the days of his life, save only in the matter of Uriah the Hittite. "
1 Kings 15:5.
Two verses before that, in 1 Kings 15:3, the Bible says that David's heart was perfect with the LORD God.
Very clearly, therefore, what all this shows is that God is the One Who gives wives, even when more than one wife.
This is, of course, confirmed by 1_Corinthians 7:17.
"But as God hath distributed to every man,
as the Lord hath called every one,
so let him walk.
And so ordain I in all churches."
1 Corinthians 7:17.
Be it
NO wife,
ONE wife, or
MORE THAN ONE wife,
it is only has God calls and gives.
As such, it is clear that the Bible does, in fact, explicitly show
"Yes, God did condone polygamy."
"Yes, God allowed it, and He was not against polygamy."
"Polygamy is not a man's idea, but God's".
"Yes, God did approve of polygamy."
In 2 Samuel 12:8, He Himself said so!
Benbellamor, StillDtruth, dacillin
Be holistic here and don't pick one verse without considering the others!

If you want to know the truth about the Bible God stop seeking validation for your religion in what happened during Bible times because there are many things God permitting before but later condemned for good reasons.

For instance Adam and Eve were the only humans God created in the beginning so Adams children married themselves as males and females but later God condemned incest! Leviticus 18:9-11

WHY?

Before God called Abraham himself and all his ancestors were worshiping idols {Joshua 24:2} but later God forbids all the descendants of Jacob (Abraham's descendants) never to practice idolatry! Exodus 20:1-5

WHY?

So if you don't understand any of these stop seeking validation for your Islam because it has nothing to do with the Bible God.

As for polygamy it was permitted since the Christ who will teach Jacob's children how to live in Paradise has not come.

When talking about stamina to have sex Adam was the strongest man ever in the history of mankind, he was number one when it comes to loving one's wife, he was the richest of all men and the most Handsome man ever on the surface of the earth yet God gave him one wife.

Because that's the only way for PEACE to reign in the family circle, there was no single family in the Bible that enjoyed peace all through when polygamy is involved.

So Jesus came to teach us how to live in Paradise just as God created One woman for One man, anything else is greed which must be cured now before we enter Paradise!

AntiChristian:
Must his mum be problematic for his dad to marry another wife?

That's what he gave as reason for a Christian to marry even though it's not scriptural according to him it's when the woman is not giving the husband happiness that a man can marry another wife.

NeoWanZaeed:
Lines of succession of amir after prophet was more like era.
Abu bakr
Umar
Uthman
Ali..
Ali is a follower of prophet Muhammad.
It's shia faction that are crazy with crazy ideas

So Ali lived at the same time as Muhammad therefore it's terrorism that he planted that your Muhammad was talking about not some future prophecy.

He knew very well that there can't be PEACE in the religion he forcefully established with the death of all his sons during the struggle.

NeoWanZaeed:
Nah...war didn't broke out after his death.
He prophesied that an extremist group will emerge, they'll look like Muslims and practise those things we can use to identify Muslims but they're not Muslims
1. They'll be rebellious against the leaders
2. They'll be killing sinners
3. They'll be calling Muslims kafir
4. They'll be killing Muslims..
They're the ones I called khawarij earlier...
They emerged during the time of Ali
...and sahabahs unite and kill them all just like prophet has ordered them to

Was Ali a contemporary of Muhammad?

YES or NO?

NeoWanZaeed:
Amir means Leader.
Muslims should follow the amir..provided that he didn't command us to commit sin and apostacy.
We follow Allah nor amir literally

After the death of Muhammad war broke out in the midst of his generals so who was the Amir that Muslims supposed to see as leader after the death of Muhammad?