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Sand2022:
Like seriously, how do you know that I don't attend meetings with the congregation of God?

As a believer in Christ Jesus who always takes in spiritual food with fellow believers {Matthew 12:46-50} in order to join them in preaching and teaching as Christ Jesus commanded his disciples {Matthew 10:6-13} i associate with my brothers and sisters to be instructed as a congregation on how to carry out the task our Master, Lord and King gave us {Hebrews 10:24-25} and the group name we bear globally is called JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ORGANIZATION.

Oya Mr JW PIMO name the congregation (church) you're associating with as a member of the Christian family.

Kumuyi is a fraud!

Open your Bible and let's see what Jesus said about false religionists if Kumuyi is not a fraud.

[1] Jesus started his group with 12 foundation members who were taught to think alike so if anyone establishes a church but failed to agree with this group it's falsehood {Galatians 1:8} Kumuyi started a religion alone claiming it is for Christ whereas all others around him are not in agreement with his church rules yet he wants to claim they're all Christians like him.
That's why you can't say anything worthwhile about any other pastor here except Kumuyi unlike the first century Jewish disciples who were all united under the teachings of twelve Apostles! Act 2:42

[2] Kumuyi is collecting TITHE (10%) earned by his members which was never instituted by the first century Apostles of Christ that's why most pastors today are confused since each of them is thinking of how to make money but don't want their followers to find out it's fraud. Hebrews 7:5-12

[3] Kumuyi refused to preach from house to house just as Jesus commanded all his disciples {Matthew 10:11-13} yet he demands from his followers to go out and preach he's too big to do what he's telling others to do but Jesus preached and teach with his disciples from house to house making it difficult for people to identify their leader.

[4] Kumuyi gave members man-made rules like females shouldn't wear makeups neither plate their heads yet he will sit down with those claiming pastors who don't agree with his ideas disguising all is well, that's why it's difficult for you to welcome members of other churches as your fellow believers instead you keep throwing tantrums about their pastors your respect is for only Kumuyi. Mark 7:6-7

[5] Members of Kumuyi Church in one country can't relate with members of his church in other lands due to politics and racism affecting their thoughts unlike real disciples of Christ Jesus who are like one family having the same line of thought everywhere they are! John 17:22; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3


I'm not following what people say about him but what the Bible teaches that he dodged!

FRANCISTOWN:
Show me one place where Satan lied in the Bible.

This topic was treated today while in the field ministry, a member of the C.A.C studying with me asked us:
Why are spirits of the dead are around us but Jehovah's Witnesses say there is no spirit of the dead anywhere?

Well that's a smart lie Satan told but you can't figure it out even if you're a pastor unless we TEACH you how to find out the answer in the Bible!

They are here!

jaephoenix:
Which large rock is that?

Planet earth!

AntiChristian:
Jesus did broke the law he quoted!
Answer questions 2 and 3 too!
If they born you well follow Jesus and so same now!

FRANCISTOWN:
Jesus stole from a field that was not his farm and also stole a donkey that was not his.

Should we say because he was was Jesus he never stole and not a thief. What kind of example did he lay for his followers?
Are christians free to take what doesn't belong to them without permission because they are children of God just like Jesus.

My question is. Did Jesus steal or not?

If you enter your neighbor’s vineyard, you may eat enough grapes to satisfy your appetite, but you should not put any in your container.
If you go into your neighbor’s field of standing grain, you may pluck the ripe ears with your hand, but you should not put a sickle to your neighbor’s grain. Deuteronomy 23:24-25

No country in the world today where this laws are in force even modern day Israel because they're no longer using God's commandments unlike their forefathers under the Mosaic laws.

But in Jesus' day Jews were still practicing what the Mosaic says (partially) though they were under Roman rule!

RealityKings:
Good evening boss. I wrote that I needed financial help. From you sir but it was taken down

Now i can understand why you asked if your God can answer your prayers:

RealityKings:
But one thing that bothers me and I kept thinking about is, "why do we pray"? or "why do we have to pray"? My question or thought may seem simple but then it's an innocent thought after all.

Psalms 23:1; 34:10

seunowa:
Ok..am listening

According to the scriptures who do you think is speaking in these verses below?

"The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth: Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him; Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men. Proverbs 8:22-31

Compare to John 1:2; Colossians 1:15-16

Ken4Christ:
Christianity is not politics. That you have a global influence doesn't mean you are doing the right thing. Rather, you are committing a global damage. You are preparing millions of souls for hell by deceiving them that it doesn’t exist contrary to what the scripture teaches. You read scriptures with clear and unambiguous meaning but you twist it to suit your preconceived opinion.

Your punishment is sure. You will not escape the damnation of hell for your global crime against the souls of men that Jesus died for. I have tried my best to bring you to your senses but you have refused and rather choose to promote falsehood. You are indeed a son of perdition.

Jesus told his disciples:

"You will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part of the earth" Act 1:8

So if there's no ORGANIZED people practicing what he taught how can the above statement make any sense?

seunowa:
Please can you tell me what this Jesus's pronouncement means in the book of revelations " Am the first and the last"

You and i can find out the meaning if you're willing.

Do you have a copy of the Bible with you there?

Ken4Christ:
If you call hell fire doctrine stupid, then you are saying that Jesus is stupid for revealing hell on his teachings.

Jesus must have been stupid to use hell fire in the story of the Rich man and Lazarus.

Oh, Jesus must have been stupid for using the term, damnation of hell.

Jesus must have been stupid for even describing the suffering in hell by saying that there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Even the writer of Proverbs must have been stupid to say that we should beat our children and deliver them from hell. If hell is ordinary grave, how does beating a child deliver him from the grave when he dies.

You are so brainwashed that you can't know the truth even when you see it.

You deny God's word and uphold the teachings of Rutherford and Russell.

You are more wicked than Satan. God will punish you and your generation for joining the deceitful organisation known as Jehovah’s Witness. You will burn in the worst part of hell.

I have told you countless times that there is no Hebrew or Greek word for Hellfire the Hebrew word Sheol and the Greek word Hades simply means GRAVE. The other word Jesus used that was misunderstood by misinformed churchgoers is Gehenna which means complete destruction.
So continue deceiving yourself with false reasoning.

MaxInDHouse:
•Did the inhabitants of Canaan knew when that God willed it to Abraham?

•What justification is there in killing people who has been living there even before Abraham step his foot on that land?

These are the answers to the above questions:


[1] All the inhabitants of planet earth are like walking corpse before the true God {Luke 9:60} because He never purpose that we live just for some years and die off that's why in His word (Bible) He often refer to mankind in general as if we are all one person "MAN" Genesis 3:22; 6:7; Matthew 4:4
So from God's standpoint all humans are like a man undergoing treatment therefore anything that could hinder the treatment will be quickly removed. That is why God keeps destroying all the nations standing in His way while He was taking His time to restore mankind back to his original state: PERFECTION.
He must set up one tribe through which the promised child who is coming {Genesis 3:15} to destroy the works of the devil will be born {Isaiah 9:6} this nation must be well prepared for the huge task ahead {Malachi 3:1} of taking the antidote to sickness and death (word of the living God) to all the inheritants of the earth {Matthew 28:19-20; Act 1:8} through this message many will be preserved alive when God decides to end badness once and for all.

So anybody, nation, tribe or people standing in the way to obstruct this arrangement must be destroyed after all they will all grow old and die as long as death which God wants to remove {Isaiah 25:8} still rules over mankind! Romans 5:14, 21

[2] The inhabitants of Canaan knew when Jacob and all his family left the land for Egypt to get food for survival so they're aware that one day this people or their future descendants will return to the land but since people do fight for land back then they won't just release the land so easily after cultivating it for centuries so to send a strong warning to all the inheritants of Canaan Jehovah allowed the Israelites to be enslaved for centuries in the land of Egypt while the kings of Egypt rules as world power. When Jehovah decided that it's time to continue with His purpose regarding the salvation of mankind He sent not vibrant youths but two feeble octogenarians (Moses and Aaron) to go and speak reasonably with the king of Egypt knowing fully well the Egyptian King won't agree after all Moses and Aaron came in the name of one unpopular God while Egypt has numerous Gods.
The true God didn't touch Pharaoh nor any member of his family so Pharaoh felt there is no threat to his life so why should he allow the slaves he inherited from his ancestors to go just because Moses mentioned the name of a strange God whom he met not in any popular nation or city but in the wilderness!
But after dealing ruthlessly with the Egyptians using ten dreadful plagues each a challenge to one God in Egypt while all the Gods in Egypt can't defend their worshipers prominent Egyptians told Pharaoh their King:
"please let this people go or we will all die"
So Pharaoh agreed but after the Israelites left he realized that all the cities he's building must be stopped as the unpaid workers (Israelites) are moving out of his land and what more?
The Egyptians have given out all their riches to appease the Israelites who demanded for gifts so Pharaoh was highly displeased that's why he called all his mighty warriors as in the best of the best among the soldiers in Egypt to follow him this time around not to bring back the Israelites but to destroy them out of spite for all the damage they have caused in Egypt.
You all know how it ended.

Now if you are living in any part of Canaan and you heard how an unknown God journeyed to the world's most powerful nation with just two feeble octogenarians and released multitude of slaves without a military force will you still stand on the way to stop this God from taking whatever He demands?
Well remember that while leaving Egypt many people who aren't Israelites reasoned that if this God could fight all the Gods of Egypt and won without His people having to lift up a single weapon then they must also become worshipers of this wonderful most powerful God! Exodus 12:38
But what could make most inhabitants of the land of Canaan resist the God of Israel?
Well think of how this same God took Israelites round in the wilderness for forty years instead of leading them directly to the land of Canaan a journey which supposed not to cost them more than forty day!
Most inhabitants of Canaan began reasoning that perhaps this God only took them out of Egypt and has abandoned them or perhaps that God has turned His back on them due to one reason or another.
So instead of thinking about how Jehovah dealt with Egypt the Canaanites decided to fight against the Israelites after all they had no military experience so they can't win them in battle. That's why Jehovah told the Israelites:

"do not look at how many they are or how tall i have given this land to you so DESTROY them"

With the inexperienced company of twelve tribes with women and little children the Israelites kept destroying all the nations on their way.
Abeg if you're an inhabitant of any part of Canaan will you still think of fighting against the Israelites or oppose them?
Well there were examples of people who used their God's given brains to reason that it will make no sense thinking of how to stop Israel.

Take for instance Rahab an inhabitant of Jericho this is what she said:

“I do know that Jehovah will give you the land and that the fear of you has fallen upon us. All the inhabitants of the land are disheartened because of you, for we heard how Jehovah dried up the waters of the Red Sea before you when you left Egypt and what you did to the two kings of the Amʹor·ites, Siʹhon and Og, whom you devoted to destruction on the other side of the Jordan. When we heard about it, we lost heart, and no one has any courage because of you, for Jehovah your God is God in the heavens above and on the earth beneath. Now, please, swear to me by Jehovah that, because I showed loyal love to you, you will also show loyal love to my father’s household; and you must give me a sign of good faith. You must spare the lives of my father and mother, my brothers and sisters, and all who belong to them, and you must save us from death." Joshua 2:9-13

There's another tribe called "Gibeonites" they acted wisely by meeting the Israelites with a peaceful message declaring their readiness to serve God's people! Joshua 9:3-13

So God never had any special nation in mind from the beginning it was sin that led to the choosing of one nation to carry life saving message to the rest of the world that's why the same God told the Israelites that they're not better than the rest of mankind if they misuse the privilege given to them they will loose it and they did after rejecting the main purpose why God called their forefathers the means of salvation himself in person of Jesus Christ! Matthew 21:43; 23:37-39

May you have PEACE!

Ken4Christ:
They couldn’t prove it but I can prove that Jehovah’s Witnesses are anti Christ. I have done that a couple of times. Just waiting for a book to be released on that. You are the worst religious organisation on earth. And you will all suffer for it. A special portion is reserved in hell for you all. You have the opportunity to repent but you don't want to. Continue in your lies.

But when questioned you don't even know how to defend the word of God out there in the presence of opposers yet you are saying you know Him better than members of a global organization that has used His word to settle their disparities peacefully among themselves, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, stop producing, buying, selling and usage of weapons and vow never to raise weapons against humanity! Isaiah 2:3-4; Micah 4:1-3

Ọmọ your case is really funny ironically you're a complete fool deceiving himself over what he doesn't have any idea about!

Ken4Christ:
You are questioning the very God you claim to serve. You see your life?

The questioning is for you to prove if truly you are one of His worshipers (Witnesses)
That's exactly what we His true worshipers face whenever we go out to preach and teach about His coming government (Kingdom) which His only begotten Son asked us to preach and pray for! Matthew 6:10; 10:7

I'm using this medium to tell you that you don't even know the God you claim to believe, mind you to believe means to trust that's why Jesus could speak confidently about His grace.

No question i asked you that i don't have the answers right there in the Bible that's why some often say about me on this forum:

SeniorMan715:
The way you explain and answer questions, sometimes i wonder if truly you are a human or an angel. You know everything.

Questionnaires:
MAXINDHOUSE is The Only Reasonable Christian That I've Come Across On This Forum That Creates Discourse And Debates Without Trying To Hurt The Emotions of Others No Matter How They Don't Agree With His Philosophy.

Questionnaires:
You Are One of The Smartest Christians on Nairaland and in Nigeria At Large.

After so much scrutiny over what the Bible says about this God and how He dealt with the Canaanites and other nations yet claiming He is the Creator of all most people finds it really difficult to believe He is impartial but when they listen to the defense i put up using the same book they want to use to accuse Him they often marvel saying:

CJStarz:
Na you wey just convert from Islam be d correct Witness.
Achorlady just dey yarn off point.

So next time think well before approaching me with your stupid Hellfire doctrine my God is the most patient, most merciful, most loving God anyone could think of if only you know what He has in mind for the entire human race. Jeremiah 29:11

May you have PEACE!

Minime10:
Sir, in all honesty I want to ask you, as a person have you ever given a piece of advice to someone, who is neither any of your siblings, friends but a strenger even when the person never ask for such advice, but you just do it because you are human and you feel concern over the person's wellbeing.
Why did Jesus died for us? He died in order to reconciled with God because we were separated from God because of our sins. And as such, there has to be someone in the personality of the Son of God to interceds for us. Jesus was that go between man and God so that man could be brought back to God. Christ was that reconciliator for me and you, just the same way every sinner out there today, is in need of someone who can point him or her to the Savour (Jesus Christ).
Mathew 18:11
Luke 19 :10
Remember, even our father of faith Abraham had to interced unbehalf of others when God wanted to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah.
Genesis 18:20
Stay bless sir.

Let's borrow a leaf from our Master, Lord and King Christ Jesus.
Throughout his life and ministry did you read in any of the gospel where he advised a stranger who never approached him?
Well Jesus never tried such.
WHY?
Because people around you only value riches and not your advice so giving them advice when they don't ask for it is tantamount to presumptuousness. Can you walk up to Dangote, Femi Otedola, or Obi Cubana thinking you want to advise any of them?
Surely not. Do you know why? Well it's because only poor people listens to advice and they do because they feel they could gain some ideas on how to get rich but when they don't ask you and your walk up to them they will take you for an oppressor who has come to prove he's better than them.
Jesus sent his disciples to come and speak with you as preachers with the theme of their message (God's Kingdom) not to advise you but if you're the type who value wisdom then it's you that will ask them to get you scriptural counsel not the other way around! Matthew 7:7

Abraham didn't pray for lot because he knew that won't save anyone rather he challenged God asking if God will destroy the righteous along with the wicked {Genesis 18:24-25} he challenged God asking if it's right to destroy Sodom if there could be found 50 righteous people in it he continued bargaining until he got to 10 but unfortunately for that city only three people made it so that teaches us a lesson: God's wrath could be averted only when His righteous ones involved are enough to change His mind! Jonah 4:10-11

God warned Jeremiah not to pray for Israelites who despises His commandments {Jeremiah 11:14} because such prayers is detestable to Him {Proverbs 28:9} that's why Jesus will never ever pray for or with anyone who is not ready to listen and obey the message of God he brought! John 17:8-9

Thanks for your time!

When people from different geographical locations on this planet gather together for worship and they are all obedient to those taking the lead among them {Hebrews 13:7, 17} surely the mighty men of the earth (world rulers) will be confused as to what made such a thing possible in the midst of imperfect humans from different backgrounds, race, culture and status {Isaiah 2:2-4} and to their shock these are the same creatures they keep amassing destructive devices to make them obey their own rules, in fact they have set up all forms of brainwashing tactics like Anthems and Pledges in order to make their people loyal to them all to no avail.

So when they see the same set of people become loyal and peacefully living their lives without giving them any headaches they are puzzled:

Could all these be as a result of what is found written in that book called Bible?

Generations of apostates (rich man) are under torment day and night due to richly blessings enjoyed by the generation of Lazarus (the poor beggar)

Ken4Christ:
You are quoting it out of context.

Oya quote it inside the context nah!

Jesus is the Prince of Peace {Isaiah 9:6} his teachings supposed to help those adhering to it become friends of peace {Luke 10:6} so that they can globally form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! Isaiah 2:2-4

Jesus said his true followers will be accused of being Satanists {Matthew 10:24-25} and here you are accusing the only organization of people who have globally become peace lovers due to what they learned about Jesus of Nazareth {Act 1:8} and you're here saying what Jesus said doesn't apply!

Ken4Christ:
Canaan land was already willed to Abraham. So, they had to fight to possess it.

Did the inhabitants of Canaan knew when that God willed it to Abraham?
What justification is there in killing people who has been living there even before Abraham step his foot on that land?

sonmvayina:
Lol...
You are a brain washed JW..
Just continue with that...

This info I am dropping is well over you.
Maybe in your next life,

But now, keep being a sheepie..

https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-Ezra-is-the-one-who-wrote-the-Torah?top_ans=231605533

OK you are still with this your reincarnation ideas shey?

Abeg get lost jọọ!

Minime10:
Sir, yes people can actually do pray for themselves but there're some situations that will make someone to needing others to either pray with them or pray for them.
Take for instance, a man who tries to pull out his broken down vehicle from the road all a lone, will not get the same result as anther who in a similar situation, have got two or more persons to assist him push his vehicle out of the road. The former who tried to do it a lone will get his strength drained up without getting much result, while the later who has got some assistance from others will overcome his challenges in no time and saves part of his energy.
Proverbs 27 :17 "... Says Iron sharpen Iron..."
Joshua 23 :10 "... Says if one can chase a thousand, then two can chase more than a thousand... " ( emphasis mine).
Sometimes, in the middle of life confusion, someone who knows how to pray can easily forget how to pray, hence will need the assistance of others to pray with him and for him.
Remain bless sir.

The highlighted is true about people having the same faith because Jesus said he will not pray with or for anyone who disagree with him on the matter of faith! John 17:8-9 compare to Proverbs 28:9; Jeremiah 11:14

Most people don't want to listen to what God has to say but they just want to tell God what they want.

So instead of praying for or with strangers i think it will make more sense when we preach to them first then whoever responds positively is the one we can pray for or with {Luke 10:6} that's in line with the opinion of Jesus then only begotten Son of God! John 3:16

May you have PEACE!

They are still very much around.

Fifth generation of the rich man's brother! Luke 16:28

Minime10:
Call us to pray for you and to pray with you on 08108072967

Why can't people just pray for themselves?

Aemmyjah:
Exactly
How are you doing sir?
Are you attending the special convention this year or regional convention?

My brother we are really struggling to stay in business now our ogas like Dangote are now feeling the heat!

Aemmyjah:
You're so intelligent sir

That's my job in the military but you people recruited me for your God!

sonmvayina:
Name, but it could be a title...

You're just an insane!

Ken4Christ:
Only those who tried to destroy Israel. Israel never attacked any nation first.

What about the nations they met in Canaan?

sonmvayina:
No...they did not, he is just a character in a story...
A story used to teach them about spiritual truth. The Bible is not a history text book, it's a spiritual manual..

You're really an insane!

Go and convince the Jews that Moses wasn't a real human but they should believe the five books he wrote!

Ken4Christ:
Where is your proof?

Matthew 10:24-25

Aemmyjah:
That's why he behaves like a boy
Contributing nothing spiritual on NL
Nothing to teach atheists or others
He's acting like a woman who's husband divorced her but she wants to malign his name

That's why most times i just ignore the idiot!

johnw47:
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

You need enlightenment on this particular Bible verse!

Jesus wasn't talking about religions outside the temple arrangement rather it's APOSTATES who were inside the same temple with him but hates being equal to other worshipers in the temple.

Satan is the initiator of this rebellious sect and he started it from the moment he chose to be different from loyal spirit sons of God, he just wants to be on his own making his own decisions regarding how to worship God instead of uniting with others as obedient sons of the most high God.
Satan's first adopted children were Adam, Eve and Cain these three disagreed with God over who should set standards, Adam and Eve wanted to be their own Gods so they can lord it over the yet unborn generations, Cain was the first to present a sacrifice before Abel but he got provoked that God preferred Abel's sacrifice and that's how the three became the first generation of Satan's children. Genesis 3:4-6; 4:3-8

The second generation of Satan's children was Korah and his cohorts when they took their stand against Moses and Aaron criticizing them because they don't want to be obedient to whatever God set as standard for the whole nation. God destroyed this second generation of apostates immediately. Numbers 16:1-2 compare to Jude:11

The third generation of apostates sufficed in the time of John the baptist and Jesus when Pharisees Sadducees Scribes and other Jewish Rabbis wanted to form different religions all claiming worshipers of the same God inside the temple. Jesus spoke against such asserting that all worshipers of the true God must worship the same way so they all kicked against Jesus' words because they don't want to be equal to other common Jews under the same temple arrangement. Luke 16:14

The fourth generation of apostates sufficed in the first century Christians congregations when some Christians began picking their own likes and dislikes right among the Apostles each person just want to stand on his own preferred doctrine but the Apostles and Elders labelled them as Antichrists saying all disciples of Christ must have the same line of thought. 1John 2:18; 2John :7; 3John :9


The fifth generation of apostates are all over the world today claiming they are members of Jehovah's Witnesses (formerly) but they say the organization belongs to Satan yet they will not leave instead they are attending meetings inside the same Kingdom Halls with the same people they are despising just as Cain did to Abel, just as Korah did to Israelites who were obedient to what was done the Tabernacle, just as Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and other Jewish Rabbis did to common Jews who were obedient to what is done in the first century Temple, just as the first century Apostates despised anyone who is obedient to the Apostles and Older men in the Christian congregation so the fifth generation of apostates are despising whoever remains obedient to the Governing Body today.

Jesus revealed these in the illustration of Lazarus and the rich man that the generations of apostates are like five brothers! Luke 16:28

So when Jesus said the third generation of apostates are of their father the devil {John 8:44} he meant apostasy was initiated by Satan as he is the father of all apostates who always despise obedient children of God it has nothing to do with misinformed churchgoers like you!

Ken4Christ:
I am only exposing the deceit of Satan and warn everyone that hell is real. And your soul will go there if you don't have Jesus.

So this your fellow Jesus worshiper is not even acceptable to your own Jesus despite all his arguments about your Jesus on Nairaland.
You and this your Jesus with your Hell stories!