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If you truly want to know why people claiming Christians and Muslims are at loggerheads then you must study the Bible with the real Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses)

For your information the real Christians are not part of them so even though all these people are quarrelling among themselves they all know that the one and only organization that stands out has nothing to do with their rifts.

So know today that the problem causing this division among people claiming religionists globally is POLITIC and it only affects people who are into false religion, the real disciples of Christ (Jehovah's Witnesses) visits everyone in their neighborhood as friends no matter your beliefs but false religions manipulated by politics remains under the control of politicians brainwashing their people.

Aemmyjah:
If it were someone writing nonsense, his hot head for calm down

He belongs to the world so whatever comes up from God makes no practical sense to him as long as it's fashioned in a way that's unique as in stand out he is provoked.

Ken4Christ:
You points are noted. But the truth is that the Jehovah's Witnesses are anti Christ. They are not Christians. They are agents of darkness disguised as ministers of light. If you are one of them, you are doomed.

Exactly the same thing Jews do tell people in the first century about the disciples of Christ!

Ken4Christ:
If he didn't, the nation of Israel would have been extinct long before now.

Most nations back then has been extinct and the Israelites were the major factor that caused it.
So why is the spirit claiming "GOD ALMIGHTY" backing just one nation against all the others if He is the Creator of all?

sonmvayina:
The Jews don't believe in Jesus because doing so would be idolatry because Jesus is supposed to be a man and that would be breaking God's commandments especially 1 and 2.

Did the Jews believe in Moses?
Is Moses not a man?

sonmvayina:
No..that's a different Nebuchadnezzar..
There where up to 4 Babylonian king with that title..I think the one who erected the statue has to be The 4th, during the time of Daniel.

Was Nebuchadnezzar a name or title like Caesar?

Aemmyjah:
Ur stupid friends will be busy posting propaganda screenshots from Reddit forum, you're silent. Michael is just dropping comments here, it's making your madness increase pressure

I've known him for long.
He doesn't want JWs comments on the forum!

sonmvayina:
God use Nebuchadnezzar' to bring everyone to Babylon.

Who asked people around him to bow down before an image? Exodus 20:4-5

sonmvayina:
Torah was not written by Moses, it was written by Ezra

So what laws was given to the Israelites and when?

Steep:
you have started coming direct. No Jesus is Almighty God!

Quote the scripture which says that explicitly.

If you cite verses and want to explain then i will also cite scriptures and explain why i say Jesus is the Archangel Michael.

It's as simple as that.

So stop waiting for support quote scriptures!

sonmvayina:
The real topic of this thread is why I don't need Jesus, let's not lose sight of that ..

Please tell them let any who has the liver step forward to debate the matter with you, i've played my own part!

Steep:
Jesus is God, John 1 vv1, in Revelation Jesus referred to himself as the begining and the end which is a title for God Almighty alone.
Jesus is said he is the life (eternal life).
So Jesus is more than a messenger, he God Almighty.

Guy Jesus is the Archangel Michael to me if you can't quote where the Bible explicitly says:

"Jesus is God"

Then it's stupid arguing over whatever others say about Jesus.

Wait until either your wife or child die then you will know!

FxMasterz:
Seniorman715, Cjstars, Questionnaires, Mayflowa, Naturefellow.

Please go and convince them that they are all stupid to have thought what i posted aren't manipulative but God's word.

I wonder how you could think five different individuals could utter strong words after reading the comments of one person and all agreed that he is a competent student of the Bible but you are here complaining as if all of them don't have brains to figure out who is being manipulated between you and them.

These are people who once feel God's people (Jehovah's Witnesses) are evil but now after reasoning deeply like real people who are unbiased they've come to agree that servants of God in Bible times aren't different from JWs who you're now accusing as evildoers when they have never ever done anything evil to you in person apart from having a different belief just like thousands of religions out there!

FxMasterz:
Test other farms and you'll be amazed that the pastures are greener on the true side of God.

Just mention one so i can compare with the one and only organization that's performing beyond expectation but no you won't!

Steep:
The bible said he is more than a messenger, He is the God.

The highlighted shows that you're just a novice but anxious to a fault.

If you must know the Jews only believe books from Genesis to Malachi as for Matthew to Revelations they don't believe anything written so instead of arguing blindly based on what you can't prove using the Old Testament why not keep shut?

There is NO Bible verse from Genesis to Revelations that says:
"Jesus IS God"

So keep quiet and learn!

Steep:
Don't you Jehovah witnesses teach that Jesus is just a messenger (angel)?

Your problem is lack of understanding!

If i ask you to tell this forum the name of your own church now you will start saying you're a Christian yet there are thousands of different religions claiming the same with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines so why not just stay on what i typed and leave the churches with contradictions for now?

Did the Bible say Jesus is a messenger of God?
YES!

Steep:
I am speaking about what you jehovah witnesses generally believe and teach.
Dont You believe Jesus is just an angel (messenger)?

You see your problem?

So there has never been a time i typed what you claimed OK can you quote any JW on this forum who typed:
"Jesus is just a messenger"
on this forum?
Your lack of knowledge is affecting you badly and you don't know it if someone say Jesus was an angel in heaven does that translates to saying Jesus is juat a messenger?

Well for your information you're just like a Jew who once argued that Jesus can never be a servant or son of his God, WHY?
Because Jesus said
"God is JUST a spirit" {John 4:24} and since there are many spirits then Jesus knows nothing about his God.
How do you answer to that?

So today there is no special nation except the individuals from different locations on planet earth that come together to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers {Isaiah 2:2-4} they are now speaking the same language of PEACE {Zephaniah 3:9} with these people God's purpose of preparing a people to become subjects under His Kingdom has been fulfilled. Therefore if any Jew lives anywhere on this planet expecting another Messiah let him know that even the disciples of Jesus and John the baptist who baptized Jesus felt he wasn't the right person but after seeing how all the promises of God are coming to fulfilment through Jesus of Nazareth they were moved to believe that he is the Son of the living God! Matthew 16:16

What about Jesus' disciples who believe in what God's only begotten Son taught them?

Were they also destroyed with faithless Jews?

Jesus' disciples became like enemies of the nation of Israel because they were preaching and teaching about LOVE and PEACE just as their leaders did whereas the Jews viewed the Romans as their number one enemy nation to be wiped out once the Christ comes because according to the scriptures the Christ supposed to conquer all the nations of the world {Daniel 2:44} so that Jews can dominate them all and people of other nations who wants favor from God will have to depend on the Jews. Zechariah 8:23

But Jesus taught his disciples to humble themselves {Matthew 10:16} everywhere they go never to hurt anyone even if the people hurt them {Matthew 5:39} they're not expected to think of dominance {Luke 22:25-26} they are to imitate his spirit of humility! Luke 22:27

So the Jews hated Jesus and his disciples with passion to the extent of attacking them verbally and physically anywhere they find them! Act 13:55; 14:2, 19; 17:3

Jesus warned his disciples never to think of the city (Jerusalem) as God's favored city anymore because the inhabitants continued to treat God's servants badly {Matthew 21:43;23:37-39} it continued even till his own day and they even have the guts to condemn him calling down his blood upon them and their yet unborn generations! Matthew 27:25

So by the time Romans came to destroy the city the Christians have left Jerusalem because Jesus told them to flee anytime they notice the Roman armies coming up against Jerusalem! Luke 21:20

Steep:
you saying what Muslims are saying that Jesus is just a messenger but in the bible Jesus is more than a messenger, He is the Son of God and God who became flesh, He is the message and the life, Jesus message is clear only through faith in him can anyone has eternal life.
Jesus is more than a message he is Almighty God who became flesh.

Can you quote the highlighted in any of my thousands of posts on Nairaland?

Why must all Jews accept Jesus today as Christ the only begotten Son of God?

Abraham never knew Jesus in person but he was so glad that God counted him worthy of becoming the great grandfather of the Savior {Matthew 1:2-16; Luke 3:23-34} so it was like seeing a city of refuge from a far distance! Hebrews 11:10 compare to John 8:56

So anytime a descendant of Abraham fall away from that arrangement it's like his or her name disappeares in the book of the living {Luke 20:37-38} that's why the descendants of Ishmael and the other six sons of Abraham became irrelevant regarding the arrangement.
The descendants of Esau were forgotten because they no longer follow the arrangement.
The descendants of Reuʹben, Simʹe·on, Isʹsa·char, Zebʹu·lun, Dan, Naphʹta·li; Gad, Ashʹer and Joseph are all lost today because they turned their backs on the arrangement after the death of Solomon remaining just three tribes namely Judah, Benjamin and Levi known today as JEWS.
Later the Jews were taken to Babylon due to their idolatry as a sign that there is no nation representing God's arrangement again until they were freed 70 years later and God continued to send prophets to them to keep them informed regarding the coming of Christ! {Zephaniah 2:2-3; 3:9; Zechariah 8:23; Malachi 4:1-6} in all of these the other ten tribes has been dismissed as if they're no longer children of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!

When Jesus walked the earth in the first century only few Jews welcomed his message 99% of Jews rejected Jesus of Nazareth so what God said through Moses happened and the nation was condemned {Matthew 21:43; 23:37-39 compare to Deuteronomy 18:18-19} decades after Jesus' ascension to heaven the Romans came to Jerusalem, killed Jews in their millions, destroyed the city and ended the arrangement God had with any literal nation.

But what about Jesus' disciples who believe in what God's only begotten Son taught them?

Were they also destroyed with faithless Jews?

To be continued....

Steep:
Jesus is that life. He was not just a messenger sent to pass a message, he was bothe the messenger and the message.

OK, your comment is noted but can you please just follow up if you don't have anything meaningful to contribute?

Why did God keep on destroying the nations that comes up against the Israelites?

The promise of salvation for entire human race will be fulfilled through one of the descendants of Judah and the remaining tribes of Israel must support this promised child to take the life saving message to all the nations of the earth {Matthew 28:19-20} so if the nations are allowed to wipe out the Israelites including the lineage God promised to bring fought this child then it simply means He is no longer the Almighty! Isaiah 55:10-11

So the Israelites became a special possession for the true God out of all the other nations on this planet but if they should turn away from the contract given to their forefather Abraham, Isaac and Jacob then they are no longer special but will become just like any other people who have no business with the true God! Exodus 19:5

The people continued as a nation to keep the laws of the God of their forefathers but at a time ten tribes out of the twelve turned into idolaters worshiping the gods of the nations and God disowned them remaining just three tribes namely Judah, Benjamin and Levi.
Judah is the tribe through which David was born, Benjamin is the tribe that produced the first Israelite King (Saul) and Levi is the tribe God commanded to stay inside the temple until the Christ comes so these three tribes formed what the whole world know today as the Jews but as for the other ten tribes that broke away from the covenant they are totally lost till today they are the ones referred to as Samaritans during the time Jesus walked the earth, today Samaritans has been dismissed as if they were never part of the arrangement.

Jesus was able to pass the life saving message only to the Jews and commanded the few ones who accepted him wholeheartedly to take this message to all the nations of the earth! Act 1:8

So why must any living Jew accept Jesus today as the Christ?


To be continued....

Nations do attack and oppose nations from time immemorial but the Bible God never intervened except when any nation does the same to the Israelites.
WHY?

What makes the Israelites so special if it's the same God that created all of us why defend only the nation of Israel?

Ken4Christ:
God destroyed those who opposed and attacked the children of Israel.

WHY?

After introducing Himself to the man called Abram God signed a deal with him for a purpose {Genesis 12:1-3} the promise is to use the descendants of Abram for a global campaign in order to save mankind in general.

Abram didn't know what the plan was but he believes something needs to be done to rescue mankind from slavery to sickness and death so he agreed with this spirit who called Himself the Almighty God. Exodus 6:3

Later Abraham had eight children and God told him that the promises will be fulfilled through one of his son called Isaac {Genesis 17:18-21} Isaac also had two sons and God told him that the promise has been transferred to Jacob (Isaac's second son)


Jacob had twelve sons and there was trouble in Jacob's family due to the gift of dreams found in the second to the last born of his son known as Joseph but did God passed the promise to Joseph? NO! It supposed to be given to each first born in the family unless the first born proves to be unworthy of the purpose. Jacob's first, second and third sons proved to be unworthy so the promise was transferred to his fourth son called "Judah"

But if God wants to deliver mankind through the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob then why was He destroying the people of the nations before the Israelites?

To be continued....

Lazarus and the Rich man!

When next you read the Bible book of John 8:44 know that Jesus wasn't referring to pagans who doesn't know anything about God's word or religionists who share contrary opinion regarding faith in God rather he was talking about the 3rd generation of Satan's children who are apostates and their generation started right in the garden of Eden when the first human couple rebelled against their Creator only to end up becoming children of Satan the first rebellious spirit son of God and father of all rebels!

Major7:
You quoted that scriptural passage out of context bro. Who told you our political leaders were ordained by God We elected them just as the children of Israelites elected Saul as a king and face the consequences they faced as well. Understand biblical interpretation well enough to quote please

The highlighted is exactly the reason why God said His own worshipers must not protest against the rulers ELECTED by their subjects.
Christians have no hope in human rulership {Psalms 146:3-4} that's why we always pray for God's Kingdom to come. Matthew 6:10

This rulers are standing in their positions until God's Kingdom is established on earth so they are the ones maintaining law and order coupled with the fear their subjects have for constituted authority {Romans 13:5-7} with the presence of this rulers people around us have a reason to fear doing certain things that's not good to their neighbors so while we keep God's laws to love our neighbors {Mark 12:31} they keep the laws their ELECTED rulers give them to make things balance! Romans 13:4


So the statement "ordained by God" doesn't mean God chose any human king apart from the Christ as anointed rather it means they are allowed to play their part under Satan's arrangement {Ephesians 6:12} Jesus never said Satan lied when he claimed the world's rulership has been given to him {Luke 4:6} just as all those operating under Satan's authority have also been given the time they will rule over mankind {Daniel 2:44} until then Christians must endure to the end {Matthew 24:13} whatever these people does under their overall world controller! 1John 5:19 compare to 2Corinthians 4:4

May you have PEACE!

xproducer:
I go to PREPARE a place for you.

Before this statement where did God PREPARE for humans to live? Psalms 115:16
Where did God create the first humans heaven or earth? Genesis 1:26-28
Has God failed in His plans to make the earth a home for mankind? Isaiah 55:10-11

Of course Jesus lives in heaven as a mighty Spirit being before coming to earth but is the promise made for all good people or a set of people having a part to play in God's purpose? Matthew 5:3 compare to Matthew 5:5

Michael547:
Lol...na wa oo....it's bigger than me and you don't know people who worship God like you?

I have told him countless times that there is no way you can prove that your god exists for real in the absence of no organized worshipers doing what you believe your god wants but it's obvious that Satan has redesigned atheism so that many who feels like being called believers in God could fit in to atheism without suspecting where they truly belong.
There are thousands of people on this forum all claiming they believe in God yet each with his or her own idea of the God they choose and each is ready to argue, insult, abuse and even course whoever disagree with his or her personal opinion about the god of their choice.

One funny thing here is when you talk about your own God and present the organized people fulfilling what your God promised just as the Bible God said {Isaiah 43:10} they will get really mad at you saying you should speak not for an organized people but for yourself, abeg what is the difference between such idea and ATHEISM?

Thanks for your time so i'm leaving your thread you may not get a response from me anymore on this particular thread because i'm unfollowing it now, until some other time you quote me elsewhere.
Farewell!