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Renewedstrength:
Jesus said Christians would be his witness, why are you not called Jesus witness?

He said Christians will be his witnesses not that they will be called Jesus' WITNESSES that's why his first century Jewish disciples never said they are Jesus' witnesses.

OLAADEGBU:
Since you use the OT to justify the name of your organisation, why not imbibe Deborah?

It's not a OT matter but the truth. John 8:32

In the Bible there are faithful people like Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Job these are believers in the true God yet they are not ISRAELITES (the name ancient people called worshipers of the only true God)

These generation was followed by faithful Israelites like Joseph, Moses, Joshua, Samson, Gideon, Deborah, Samuel, David and Solomon these are believers in the true God (Israelites but not Jews the name people later called the descendants of the patriarchs till today)

These generation was followed by faithful Jews like Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Nehemiah, Ezra, Zechariah, Hezekiah, Amos, Malachi and others until the day of John the baptist but they weren't followers of Jesus of Nazareth through whom the popular group name "CHRISTIANS" was formed because he claimed he is the CHRIST.

Please from Abel till today which group name befits all these people as one if not the what Isaiah and Paul divinely called them:

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES?

Read the Bible book of Isaiah 43:10-12 and Hebrews 11:3-12:1

You will notice how the scriptures consistently referred to all servants of God including Jesus of Nazareth under one GROUP name: WITNESSES! Revelations 1:5

The question you need to ask is these:

All these faithful people are WITNESSES of who?

Deepspirituals:
Bring her back to Faith.

Why do you say "Bring her back" was she a Christian before?

achorladey:
The community delusion MightySparrow talks about
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ORGANIZATION has never ever been wrong when any other group is right.
Romans 13:1 = Jehovah and Jesus = Jehovah's Witnesses (wrong)
Romans 13:1 = Governmental authorities = other Christian denominations (right)
Empty boasting as usual

MightySparrow:
Wrong Sir. In as much as I appreciate the works and zeal of Jehovah Witnesses, I believe you guys are living in delusion.

Since you people believe we are wrong then it's better we go our separate ways.

I'm of the opinion that there has never been a time when Jehovah's Witnesses organization today was wrong and any other religion is right.

Thanks for your time!

Renewedstrength:
Being a pastor is not just a matter of personal desire but that individual must be qualified to be.

If you believe that Paul is an Apostle of Christ and that his word stands as witness against whoever disagree with what is written in the scriptures i believe that's OK you have made your point clear the idea of calling me "brother" or i calling you "brother" doesn't work in our midst once you are against what is written in the scriptures. Galatians 1:8 compare to 2John 10-11
So i ask you again:

Is Deeperlifer Church right to make a female the head in the presence of baptized males?

If your answer is "YES" then you and i can't relate as brothers but if it's "NO" then we can proceed into other scriptural topics to set matters straight through the lense of the scriptures. 2Timothy 3:16

The idea of acknowledging you when we are not in agreement on scriptural topics is what led to thousands of religions with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines all claiming they are Christians today but since Jehovah's Witnesses stands out to condemn such confusion they're all hypocritically criticizing Jehovah's Witnesses.

So if you stand on what the scriptures teaches on this topic then you and i can continue using the scriptures to set matters straight but if not then we must go our separate ways.

Thanks!

Renewedstrength:
Simple question for you why are your organization called Jehovah witness instead of Jesus witness since Jesus said the early Church will witness for him?

That's not the name God had in mind to call all His worshipers from Abel till today {Hebrews 11:4-34} so from the beginning until today the name God called all His worshipers is "Jehovah's Witnesses" {Isaiah 43:10-12} Jesus is the first and most faithful among us! Revelations 1:5

Renewedstrength:
Have you also considered that Jehovah witness organisation might be wrong on alot of things?

And which organization is performing better than Jehovah's Witnesses?

My friend when it comes to being wrong don't deceive yourself because those claiming the Jehovah's Witnesses are wrong have never for once agreed on scriptural doctrines meaning they're only saying so out of envy.

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ORGANIZATION has never ever been wrong when any other group is right. The truth is that after the death of the last apostle John Christianity went into spiritual slavery so by the time Jehovah's Witnesses organization began making research to figure out where the church got things wrong they also didn't get it all correctly at once but for anyone to say the Jehovah's Witnesses are wrong my guy there has never been any religion called "CHURCH" that has been right after the death of the Apostles!

Abraham never saw Ishmael as his son from day one because Hagai wasn't his legitimate wife that's why he doesn't care what Sarah will do to the slave girl and her pregnancy.

Secondly when God promised Abraham that his children will become many throughout the earth he wanted to accept that Ishmael was the promised child but God told him that it's not Ishmael but Isaac the child to be born by his legitimate wife! Genesis 17:18-21

Hagai herself has been told by God's angel that Ishmael will breed terrorists and not the type of children that will produce the fruit of faith! Genesis 16:11-12

So when Sarah demanded that Hagai and her son be sent away Abraham was told to let go of the child since he's not the promised child that will produce the fruit of faith! Genesis 21:8-14

The lineage that has ever produced prophets mentioned in the Quran itself is that of Isaac there was never one single prophet from the lineage of Ishmael!

So when the scriptures say Abraham's only child it was evident that the child in question is the one promised to him because that's the promise that led him out of the land of his ancestors he surely knew Ishmael couldn't be his only child after all it's now evident that the delay came due to Sarah's barrenness his impotency on his own part. Genesis 25:1

It's that heritage Jacob bought from Esau with a bowl of stew the promise of the fruit that will save mankind from their sins {Genesis 12:1-3} which is Jesus Christ! Isaiah 9:6

Renewedstrength:
As for women being pastors, there are arguments for women being pastors in the church because there where female prophets and Deborah was a Judge and also Aquila was mentioned that she and her husband instructed apollos, in addition junia was called a minister.
I don't think these arguments stand because first, the old testament national Israel is not the same as the church secondly, a prophet is different from a pastor, a woman can be a prophet it is very in the new testament.

They are all worried because of my church:

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ORGANIZATION.

So even though they know that the position of high priest in ancient Israel which represents the head of God's congregation back then was never given to a female, Jesus never chose a single female apostle, the scriptures clearly say the apostles are the pillars (foundation stones) of the church and there is no single female among them they just choose to argue and continue opposing whatever i say because it's coming from one of Jehovah's Witnesses!

lslamVIRGINS:
Were you told inside hall that God has a religion? You have to stop listening to your people in JW's, they only gather you inside hall to brainwash you occultist members

OK i have heard you!

MightySparrow:
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
Don't you feel the verse qouted is solely Paul's opinion?

With the highlighted i'm satisfied with your stand that you don't regard Paul's letter on the matter but to us Paul was the Apostle Jesus chose to connect us to himself! Act 9:15 compare to 1Timothy 2:7

So it's OK we believe that "all Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness" 2Timothy 3:16

Thanks for your time!

Jesus has been with his coworkers gathering his sheep since the year 1914!

What has God got to do with those reserved for destruction?

What do you mean by the term OMNISCIENT?

1914 Jesus returned to separate the sheep and the goats!

Sincere apology can only comes from a broken heart when the one apologizing realized he was wrong not when you're demanding it!

Throughout the world politics is collapsing this is the right time to pray:

Our father who lives in the heavens, let your kingdom (government) come, let your will be done on earth as it is in heaven! Matthew 6:9-10

There is no solution this world (system of things) is gradually coming to an end! Matthew 24:14

RealityKings:
You are quoting the scriptures upside down
You don't understand

Why do most of you hate the truth like this?
You're gradually becoming an atheist and someone offered to help you see where the error is and all you could say is the faithful one is quoting the scriptures upside down so are you the one quoting it upright?

Well with the below it's obvious you UNDERSTOOD the scriptures and you are reading it properly.

RealityKings:
One thing that bothers me and I kept thinking about is, "why do we pray"? or "why do we have to pray"?
My question or thought may seem simple but then it's an innocent thought after all.

Thanks for your time!

So it's either the church make amendments in organizational setting or remain in their errors no single female was chosen to serve as one of the pillars (foundation stones) in Christianity.

Thanks, God bless you and may you have PEACE!

RealityKings:
You keep saying a prayer and working towards it and nothing happens. You start to see yourself as a nuisance keeping others awake through the night
Your neighbor will even tease you in the morning with "Oga prayer worrior afadura jagun".

According to Jesus of Nazareth when you pray and others who aren't involved are disturbed then you've gotten the reward {Matthew 6:5} note when a neighbor say to you:

"Oga prayer warrior afadura jagun"

Jesus said you never prayed to his father and God rather you prayed to catch the attention of others around you and you've gotten what you wanted from them so expect nothing from God!

achorladey:
Together, we are his house, built on the foundation of the apostles and the prophets.

So you have no scriptural backup for what you claim shey?

Well for the benefit of other followers of this thread i will clarify matters:

This is what you said:

achorladey:
Apostles are not the only foundation of the church.

But it's scripturally WRONG!

HOW?

Jesus made it clear that the Apostles are the foundation stones of his church {Revelations 21:14} this means they are the pillars holding the house together.
So according to Apostle Paul the house built on top of this foundation stones is the church comprising of all the members both males and females, old and young!

For we are God’s fellow workers. You are God’s field under cultivation, God’s building 1Corinthians 3:9

Note the highlighted in blue.
Paul said the Apostles (himself inclusive) are God's fellow workers while the congregation (church) is God's field under cultivation or God's building.

A house must have foundation which differs from the house itself so if a house doesn't have a foundation it will collapse. No engineer will ever agree with you that the house and the foundation means the same thing because they are never constructed the same way!


So if you have something tangible to say let's hear it i'm not interested in your yarning off point this evening:

CJStarz:
Na you wey just convert from Islam be d correct Witness.
Achorlady just dey yarn off point

achorladey:
Apostles are not the only foundation of the church.

Scriptural references please!

In the first century Christian congregation we have two offices that females can't occupy:

APOSTLES and ELDERS!

No single female was chosen to fill in these two offices because it doesn't belong to females at all but other responsibilities such as teachers, shepherds, pastors and prophets could be given to females pending the time males will qualify to take over from them.

Paul warned the Corinthians that if the female among them should take up such office she must cover her head with clothing because angels are sensitive to such abnormalities in sacred service! 1Corinthians 11:10

Emusan:
You can continue to repeat that nonsense!
Nonsense remains nonsense even if spoken by the most scientist!

OK Sir!

achorladey:
it is your religious organization policies and procedures that women can act as apostles in the absence person of women.

Any organization where females act as Apostles must have done that in error so they should correct it because Apostles are chosen to serve as foundation stone (pillars) of the church of Christ.

So it's wrong!

achorladey:
Where did you see women can act as apostles in the absence of men?
Vacant or not is not the issue here in the first place.

Chai ọmọ this is why it's difficult to rebel against the organization of God.

Simply because you just want to prove God's organization wrong you're arguing back and forth shey?

Ọmọ women can't act as Apostles it's impossible because Apostles are the foundation stones (establishers of churches) no female was given such a privilege in Bible times!

achorladey:
That's what defending religious policies and procedures does to someone.
Where did the Bible says women should acts as apostles in the absence of men.
Females can act as apostles in the absence of males....... MaxInDHouse

Na way o!

I keep repeating myself that females can't serve or act as Apostles because that office was meant for those serving as pillars of the church of Christ:

The wall of the city also had 12 foundation stones, and on them were the 12 names of the 12 apostles of the Lamb. Revelations 21:14

So that office was never vacant for females!

achorladey:
What is in 1 Corinthians 11: 3-10.
Quote where it is stated in the Bible women should act in the absence of men as apostles.

MaxInDHouse:
Apostles establish the congregations so females can't serve as Apostles that's why no female was sent to establish churches in Bible times!

This is what i posted so if you don't get it i mean females can't serve as Apostles!

Apostles are the pillars of the church they are the ones who establish churches everywhere they go, that assignment was never given to females.

It's after they have established the churches that females can assist in offices like teachers, shepherds, pastors and prophets in the congregation until men are qualified to take all those responsibilities then the females must return to their position: remain silent in the congregation regarding office of oversight!

lslamVIRGINS:
How many times would I tell you that father the Almighty choose for himself and ordained female servants. I think you know that father is superior than son.

In which religion do you think God ordained females to lead in worship in the presence of males?

If you consider the time of Moses the high priest leads all Israel in worship and there was no time a female was chosen to serve as high priest. Jesus is the Son of God through whom pure worship was extended to gentiles like you and i when choosing Apostles to lead his disciples he chose only males.
So which God are you talking about here?

achorladey:
In the absence of baptized males females act
Where did you get this from?

1 Corinthians 11:3-10
Males shouldn't cover their heads since they're the head over females in sacred service but if females are the only baptized (qualified) in the congregation then the baptized female must cover her head as sign of respect for the headship which rightfully belongs to males.
Apostles establish the congregations so females can't serve as Apostles that's why no female was sent to establish churches in Bible times!

achorladey:
What I know in his kingdom halls is that the females, girls, women are not silent when they go there for worship.

In the kingdom halls do females stand before baptized men to lead during prayer or preach to the congregation?
To remain silent means not to take the mantle of leadership before men {1Timothy 2:12} unbaptized men aren't qualified to act as ministers in the congregation of Christ so when females are the only ones baptized in the congregation they will act but must cover their heads as sign that the office doesn't belong to females!

achorladey:
Females are used to fill the office of apostles......Max
The office of Apostles and Shepherds are not given to females....... Max
This is what Emusan ask you to see.
Going by the above females are apostles too. Correct?

In the absence of baptized males females act until males are baptized and the females return to their place:
Remain silent in the congregation!