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Dtruthspeaker:
Of course jw devils won't see the word "our God'!

You unmannered religionist Jesus is not God he prayed to someone else and also begged that person to save him!

achorladey:
See lies and manipulations using that mini epistle as cover up.

I know you are just MANIPULATING their minds because you don't believe in any of their so called pastors.
One funny thing is how they rate their pastors above others.
For instance one of them equates their Joseph Ayo Babalola with Temitope Balogun Joshua.
Ọmọ come and see how they're all arguing and quarrelling over the matter instead of simply comparing both ministries to what Jesus said about his disciples and what they're supposed to be doing in the last days!

Steep:
Jesus prayed to the father (another person of God). God is three persons.

And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:Mark 12:29

Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.John 20:17

Michael547:
Oga list the transitional fossil links that we have today which goes against that information in Wikipedia.

From now henceforth he will start noticing you and your comments i've told him several times that whenever he comes in contact with real Christians he's going to have a lot of headaches with his atheism.
He hasn't realize that you're also one of Jehovah's Witnesses!

Michael547:
Don't mind the guy

He always quote other books written by humans like himself most especially Wikipedia but now he's denying the same Wikipedia!

Emusan:
The @color is enough to see your obvious twisting and manipulation.
Well, like I do tell you, you can twist and manipulate God's words from now till you die but one thing is certain, the True God and His word will continue to expose your lies and and manipulation.

Ọmọ you can't eat your cake and still have it.

The book has what is called "the four Gospel accounts" written by Jesus' disciples about his life and ministry and another called "Act of Apostles" then letters written by apostles and disciples all BORN AGAIN Christians so if you think it's not necessary to consider what Jesus said about his disciples to identify those practicing what he taught in your own generation then any religion can just pick one part either in the gospel accounts, Act of Apostles, letters or Revelations and start their own religion all in the name of Christ.
That's why there is contradictions everywhere and all of you are confused as to who is who yet you just pick the popular opinion.

Check the screenshots and see how confused those claiming Christians when you people feel like it's unnecessary figuring out what Jesus said about his group in your generation!

jaephoenix:
No source on earth is 100% accurate all the time, not even the medical sites.
Your Bible is filled with lies and contradictions which is glaring and there for all to see
So what is your problem

From your own point of view but from the view of someone who calmly meditate on the things written in that book everything written in it is 100% accurate and there's nothing like contradictions the problem is with false religions that has misinformed you about the book and since you've been told lies you find it difficult to unlearn and relearn!

jaephoenix:
Please show me one link I quote Wikipedia.
You even fail to completely understand my point.
Wikipedia is a good source, no doubt. But its composed by non-tech people. What it means is that if for example the topic is about medicine, the Wikipedia article was not written by medical people but lay folks and may have some inaccurate stuff. So if I get some articles from written by medical folks like those from medical websites(like LiveScience, Lancet etc ), then its data overrules that of Wikipedia. I can go and edit info on Wikipedia and tell you its the right thing but I cannot go and edit those other medical websites
I wonder how this info is difficult for right thinking folks

Exactly what i have been telling you that when it comes to some topics you shouldn't always rely on Wikipedia!

"you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” John 8:32

Before the whole world was in spiritual darkness and the religionists claiming they are Christians were misrepresenting Christ but the truth about Christianity began to be unveiled in the year 1914!

But a physical man does not accept the things of the spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot get to know them, because they are examined spiritually. 1Corinthians 2:14

Emusan:
Yes!

So they are BELIEVERS already it's another thing entirely that a Christian is bringing to them whether scriptural or not they already believe in the scriptures.

Emusan:
because they believe in the scripture and never go outside what the scripture didn't say.

That's why majority of the people back then disagree with Jesus and his disciples because they are believers already in the scriptures it's the fulfillment of what's written in the scriptures that's confusing them as they can't wrap it all up that Jesus of Nazareth is the foretold or promised Messiah (Christ) so that's why it was difficult for them to accept Jesus.

Emusan:
Even the Young man born in their presence explained everything WRITTEN ABOUT HIM to them and that also solidified their believe in the Scripture.

Now we're reaching the same conclusion just as we are explaining everything WRITTEN ABOUT Jesus' group in the final part of the days and only few believe what we are showing them which solidified their faith that they have found Jesus' group.

Emusan:
No believer will refuse to ACCEPT what it's written in the Bible. Besides, you're going out of the way as usual.

But the first century Jews were BELIEVERS in the scriptures yet they rejected Jesus of Nazareth with all the things written about him in the scriptures.
So are they no longer believers as you've said formerly?

Emusan:
To be qualified to be called a Believers in Christ is to believe and Trust in Jesus Christ, his NAME and as Son of God.

To be qualified to be called a believer in Christ is to believe what he said about his disciples in your own time so as to IDENTIFY them with all the things he foretold about them. If you ignore all the things Jesus said about his future disciples how can you prove that you believe in his foresight to predict what you should be doing in your own time?

Emusan:
So, do I need to be a Jehovah witness before I became a believer in Christ?
That is the question

The question is simple if you must be a believer in Christ Jesus whom we can't see today but agreed that he once walked this planet then you must believe all what he said regarding his future disciples and how to identify them in the midst of thousands of religions all claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines! Matthew 7:16-18 compare to Matthew 7:24-27

Emusan:
Whenever you see @color part just know the manipulation and twist are about to be vomited. My question doesn't need human philosophy and manipulation. Do I need to be a Jehovah Witness before I can become a believer in Christ?
The scripture says No!
If the Bible says Yes! Bring the verse(s) here!

This is what you asked initially:

Emusan:
Must I need to be a Jehovah Witness before I became believer?

Please put yourself in the position of the one preaching and me in the position of a listener.

If i should ask you that question as a stranger that you've never known before would you have concluded that i'm asking regarding faith in Jesus?

Please we are the ones going from house to house preaching and we do encounter various types of religionists in our territory so if someone ask that question i can't just conclude that he is talking about faith in Jesus of Nazareth since there are thousands of religions out there and all of them believe in one thing or another making them all believers so it's what each person believes that makes the difference!

The break began when God's worshipers went into spiritual slavery after the death of Jesus' first century Apostles, the Antichrist took over and true Christianity disappeared from the surface of the earth until the year 1914 when Jesus returned to restore pure worship!

CHRISTIANS/JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES
What is the difference?
JEHOVAH called all His faithful servants His WITNESSES:
“You are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah, “Yes, my servant whom I have chosen, So that you may know and have faith in me And understand that I am the same One. Before me no God was formed, And after me there has been none. Isaiah 43:10
So from the time of Abel till the day of John the baptist JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES have always proved to be unique even though they are in the midst of those worshiping the only true God. Do you remember Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego?
They were Jews taken to Babylon with the rest of the worshipers of God but when everyone was scared to stand out Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego stood on their ground prepared to die for their faith.
Jesus is the prophet God foretold right from the beginning {Genesis 3:15} who will destroy the works of the devil by exposing all his tricks and teaching people how to gain salvation {Deuteronomy 18:18-19} so the time Jesus walked the earth all those attracted to him by God's word {John 6:44} to learn from him and practice what Jesus taught are called "CHRISTIANS" but those sticking to what Jesus taught against all odds are the unique ones who stood out like their kind before them: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

So just as some worshipers of God in ancient times turned their backs on pure worship a Christian too may turn back from following the Way of holiness {Isaiah 35:8} but a Witness of Jehovah will never ever turn back no matter what happens! John 6:68; Romans 8:37-39

jaephoenix:
The reason I'm not interested is because your book is flawed and incorrect. I thought I have told you that before

So what brought you back to me now?
Remember i told you that true wisdom can only be found in that book you said is flawed and i'm so glad today that your most cherished Wikipedia has lost its pedigree before you.
At least you can now rely on your God's given conscience and brain instead of always quoting Wikipedia composed by humans like you!

Michael547:
Lol.....really? So you are saying that the information there in Wikipedia is wrong? Yes or no?

jaephoenix:
Yes

Na wah o!

So an atheist who always quote Wikipedia even after i've told him several times that real and intelligent people don't rely on Wikipedia can now say it's no longer reliable!

Wonders shall never end!

The countdown began in the year I914!

Everyday247:
This is similar to what I was saying. My main point was that the OP was approaching suicide unemotionally.
Take for example now, If the OP saw someone about to take their life, what would he say to that person. Is it
A. Threaten the person with hell or
B. Inquire about to person's problems and attempt to provide a solution.

It's a pity that most people failed to realize that the first set of Europeans who brought copies of the Bible to Africa weren't Christians but politicians seeking to establish their rules over unsuspecting and gullible people.
They instill fear of the unknown in the minds of our people that after death there is a place of torment awaiting whoever opposes them in anyway yet they came with weapons to fight and kill whoever opposes their rules.

That's why most people are always going about with the same kind of threat whereas such religionists are empty headed churchians.

Please ask the OP to talk about the blessings a faithful servant of God will enjoy in paradise since what the Bible is all about is called the GOOD NEWS and not a THREATENING NEWS.
You will discover that he knows nothing apart from the threat of Hellfire whereas there is nothing like Hellfire the Hebrew word (Sheol) simply means "GRAVE" and Gehenna in Hebrew means complete destruction it's one valley behind the walls of Jerusalem where the things Jews don't like were thrown e.g refuse and carcasses of dead animals and criminals.

You will wonder why Jesus' disciples couldn't go to ask of his body after his execution.

Well it's because he was executed like a common criminal who supposed not to be given a befitting burial but it's one of the group called "Pharisees" whose name was Joseph Arimathea and Nicodemus both were secret disciples of Jesus that buried his body! John 19:38

Joseph Arimathea was influential and wealthy so it was in his own prepared tomb that Jesus was buried that's why the rest of his group sent soldiers to protect the place so that Jesus' disciples won't come to steal his body and say he has resurrected.

So the OP is a misinformed churchgoer who doesn't know what he's saying, most people committing suicide don't know what the future holds for obedient mankind that's why they're giving up thinking life has no meaning but God knows how they feel because some of his own faithful servants of ancient times also feel the same way! Job 3:3; 1King 19:4; Jeremiah 15:10; 20:14

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

jaephoenix:
So what do you call non-JW? Looks like you have a certain disdain about them

Of course you're my neighbor just like anyone else around me so according to Jesus Christ i must love you as i love myself {Mark 12:31} so if i know there's a vital information that you need to know i must strive to tell you just i will also love to see someone else do for me but if you say you're not interested then i will reluctantly take my leave.
But as for a JW i must love this one the way Jesus loves me {John 13:34-35} so unlike you who i will leave when you say you're not interested in the information i brought to you i will be prepared to die if the need be for my brother in the faith to be saved.
That's the difference!

jaephoenix:
Look I'm not here to jaw with you about your favorite mob. JWs to me are just a regular group of corrupt society. And I have evidence. So stick to the plot.

Neither am i here to chat with an atheist like you since you've always told me that you're not interested in whatever message i brought but surprisingly you're the one who quoted me when the post wasn't meant for you!

In the first century a young Jewish carpenter named Jesus of Nazareth formed a group later known as CHRISTIANS but there is a question some people do ask:

People that have served God faithfully in ancient times can we also call them Christians?

Since CHRISTIANS means followers of Christ and there are many things Jesus taught that ancient servants of God never knew what should we call such ancient servants of God like Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Joshua, Gideon, Deborah, Samuel, David, Solomon, Josiah, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego, Nehemiah, Ezra, Zechariah, Hezekiah, Amos, Malachi and John the baptist who never practiced what Jesus taught?

jaephoenix:
So according to you, JW are not christians?

The name JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES is strange to them because the true God hid that name for thousands of years until 1931 when He used His Holy Spirit to speak through the mouth of a Christian whose name was Joseph Rutherford that the name God is calling his own people right from the beginning until now is JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

Surely anyone who joins Jehovah's Witnesses organization today is only interested in the love permeating the only true Christian group yet not all those preaching zealously and industriously teaching from house to house today like the first century Jewish disciples of Christ are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES so don't get it wrongly everyone obeying Jesus' command to go out there and preach are Christians but among them those having the same mindset like ancient servants of God are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.

jaephoenix:
So you are saying not everyone that receives the 'word' is a Christian?

NO! What i'm saying is that not all Christians are Jehovah's Witnesses.
The true God has always have Witnesses in all generations these people will stand out due to their love for God {Deuteronomy 6:4} and His laws {Psalms 119:29} so when Adam lived the Witness of Jehovah among his children who stood firm for uprightness is Abel {Hebrews 11:4} and during the time of Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Joshua, Samson, Gideon, Deborah, Samuel, David, Solomon, Josiah, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego, Nehemiah, Ezra, Zechariah, Hezekiah, Amos, Malachi and John the baptist all these faithful people are Jehovah's Witnesses.
But when Jesus came to connect honest hearted and sincere individuals throughout the world and teach them the way of Jehovah {Isaiah 35:8} he formed a group known back then as Christians so this people continue to listen and learn from him but only those who have the same type of receptive hearts like Jehovah's Witnesses of old will respond POSITIVELY not all those following him! John 6:66

Jesus compared his disciples to salt and light {Matthew 5:13-16} this means the group will be the yardstick to measure true faith everywhere you go just as there is no better replacement for salt and light the world full of faithless people can never find a better replacement for Jesus' group though they will hate them {Matthew 24:9} say all sort of injurious things against them {John 15:19-21} yet the religions of such accusers will never be known as they are agents of darkness (Satan) {Revelations 12:10} disguising as ministers of light {2Corinthians 11:14} so the one and only true Christian group will be the talk of the town throughout the globe because they are the irreplaceable salt and light of the world!

Another reason why you should read your Bible to know what is in there.

Back in those days children takes after their parents handiwork like the sons of Zebedee left their father who was a fisherman and followed Jesus {Matthew 4:21-22} so Jesus was a carpenter as his father (Joseph) trained him to be one! Matthew 13:55; Mark 6:3

At least the scriptures is clear on this matter:

Females should not be head over males in church of Christ! 1Timothy 2:12

The rest is Story; Story!! Story!!!

FxMasterz:
At least he knows we told him the truth.

The TRUTH!

Efficacy in delivering what someone has in mind is the evidence of true wisdom!

achorladey:
Madness and insanities peddling dey your brains answer my questions. What is my problem with their witnesses? Was Emusan talking about their witnesses? The liar and manipulator wants to start another round of madness and insanities peddling with that.
so say the madness and insanities peddling brains peddling spiritually empty this afternoon

Why is my response paining you so much that you can't respond with maturity?

Well if you agree that all those groups do have WITNESSES on this forum surely they are all BELIEVERS in their own ways so for you to become a believer among Jehovah's Witnesses then you must agree with terms and conditions of our faith just as Emusan will tell any of those people regarding his own faith too!

jaephoenix:
So if those that study the word can commit suicide, what is your point?

People going to the hospitals for treatment do die there because they aren't responding POSITIVELY to treatment likewise some failed because they are not responding POSITIVELY to their Bible study yet if someone should ask you where to take a sick person you will still insist that the patient be taken to a hospital.

Do you understand now?

achorladey:
You started your lies and manipulations by bringing in all the below I added witnesses in front
1. Atheists witnesses
2. Agnostics witnesses
3. Judaists witnesses
4. Hindus witnesses
5. Buddhists witnesses
6. Traditionalists witnesses
7. Christendom Churches witnesses

I love this!

Please can you say all these groups don't have WITNESSES on this forum PREACHING SPEAKING boldly about what they BELIEVE?

achorladey:
I thought I am the one chasing you all over nairaland
The same thing your madness and insanities brains will start looking for on your JW library or call apostate lies is what I should meditate upon had I not give you undeniable reference.

If you ask sincere questions surely i will like to answer not when you're just trolling.
You're free to meditate on what the Bible says comparing to what JWs are practicing that's exactly what the Beroeans did! Act 17:11

achorladey:
So?
Liar and manipulator don start. Many out there are already disciples of Jesus Christ who just love studying Bible with people. They are equally going out to preach and teach like you and your likes do. Jehovah’s witnesses consider them a waste of time to study with them since they are not going to join Jehovah's Witnesses.

A food for thought:
What would have happened if Apollos refused to accept he wasn't fully qualified as a preacher, when Aquila and Priscilla tried to CORRECT him? Act 18:24-26
And after the correction did he continue on his own or was assigned to out preaching with members of the same group?

achorladey:
Good and when what is holding him back as stated in your religious publications is that he or she is not going to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses your Bible study stops even when you know he is a Christian. They call it unproductive Bible study.

If he's a REAL Christian then why studying with him in the first place?
Jesus said we should baptize them as disciples {Matthew 28:19} but when someone is not ready to obey the same rules Jesus gave his disciples is such a person a TRUE believer in Jesus?
Remember that demons also preach that Jesus is the son of God {Luke 4:41} yet Jesus silenced them! Compare to Act 16:17-18
WHY if they're saying the right thing?
Well let me answer that:
They are not ready to follow the organizational arrangement so their preaching will surely lead to disorder {1Corinthians 14:33} that's why Jesus said they must all have the same line of thought regarding organizational directions! John 17:22 compare to 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3
For your information that's what gives birth to this thread as many so called Christians won't accept that it's scriptural for a female to lead the congregation in the presence of qualified males! 1Timothy 2:12

Emusan:
See obvious contradiction between Number 1, Number 2 & Number 3.
Just like I said earlier, that question will always put them in a tight corner when it's obvious that they want everyone to become Jws.
But the truth is, it's never from Bible and it will never be.

Were first century Jewish religious people believers in the scriptures?

So why must they believe in one young man whose parents were born in their eyes?

Well if someone claims he is a believer but he refuses to accept what is written in the Bible and he has a religious book which his own parents taught him to believe from infancy, would you accept him as your fellow believer?

If not why must he accept your own beliefs for him to qualify to be your fellow believer?