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FxMasterz:
Those are not the things they believed about Jesus. Jesus was saying that only to put His messages in right perspective.

Quote where anybody said He came to destroy the law. Mind you, destroying the law is different from contradicting the law. Show us where anyone said He contradicted the law. Contradiction is what you and your JW organization have been known for.

Use of English!

Ọmọ Contradicting or Destroying means the same thing to the Jews remember Jesus didn't carry their scriptures to destroy it rather he was saying things that's CONTRACTING what they all knew before him.

FxMasterz:
No one said He contradicted scriptures. Quote where they said that. They only did not believe He was the promised Messiah. Don't bring manipulations into this please. Quote pure scriptures.

You don't have to be biased on this try to calm down and think why Jesus said:

“Do not think I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I came, not to destroy, but to fulfill" Matthew 5:17

There are things the Jews believe that Jesus is against.

For instance all the prophets support fighting and killing their enemies {Deuteronomy 7:16; 1Samuel 15:3} but Jesus said they should love and pray for their own enemies! Luke 6:27-28

Adulterers should be stoned to death {Deuteronomy 22:23-24} but Jesus said only the sinless should stone sinners.

Israelites should get married and bear children but Jesus said whoever chooses to remain single should be allowed! Matthew 19:12

The prophets including John the baptist taught the Jews weekly ritual fasting but Jesus' disciples don't practice such!

God's word forbids eating blood {Genesis 9:4; Leviticus 17:14} but Jesus told his own disciples that they must drink his blood! John 6:

So don't try to argue what is plain you can only start defending what Jesus said and did but as for Jews who don't believe in him to them he was CONTRADICTING THE PROPHETS AND THE LAW!

FxMasterz:
My friend, Jesus didn't contradict the scriptures in anyway. He fulfilled them.

That's what he said nah but what about his own people did they agree with him?

PulsingPurple:
The only question to be asked is:

Do you know what's in the heart of the said preacher?

NO!

The question should be:

Do you know what's in the heart of the old man?

If you try to stop the preacher it's the old man that will first attack you for blocking his blessings!

SharonLoveth:
The way members of hall goers talk about Jesus doesn't make sense that is why you give room for unbelievers like you from other religious to mock the followers of Christ and Christ himself

Believers and unbelievers need Jesus, that is the simplest thing the guy said in which you are mocking and do you think you get sense at all?

For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel

Why is it compulsory to believe in Jesus?

Since some have lived and died before Jesus' times and God has declared them righteous will such people also need his TEACHINGS to please Almighty God?

Please address the two questions.

Thanks in advance!

FxMasterz:
So, you mean, some humans can therefore come and speak some supposed God's words today that are contrary to what God had spoken before?

This is pure deception. Have you observed that the Bible was written over thousands of years with God's words spoken through diverse individuals, and all of them speak in unity without any contradiction? If anyone comes today to speak contradictions, he's a false prophet.

That's what millions of Jews in the first century till today are saying about Jesus of Nazareth so if you want to know the truth it's not by comparing the difference between what they say but looking critically at how God's word is undergoing fulfilment in your own time.

That's what helped Jesus' Jewish disciples if they stick to the teachings of the prophets in ancient times they will surely condemn Jesus of Nazareth too!

Take for instance the all the prophets none of them is in support of cannibalism so when Jesus said something that seems like that most of his own disciplesi immediately turned back from following him {John 6:62-66} yet his closest confidants stood with him.
WHY?
They said he's the one and only teacher whose teachings is progressively revealing how mankind can gain everlasting life! John 6:68

So instead of comparing what God's servants some 1,000 years tells you the best thing to do is diligently study the scriptures to find out how the new preacher's activities is in line with prophecies found in the Bible.


That's what Jesus' disciples focused on not the criticism raised by their people and religious leaders!

MrBrownJay1:
so Muslims need jesus, Hindus need jesus, Buddhist need jesus, devil worshippers need jesus, atheist need jesus... abi?

The way members of Christendom churches present Jesus doesn't make sense that's why people like you take the matter as a joke.
Most of them only listen to what their pastors say and since they're not motivational speakers like their pastors they don't know how to convey what they heard to appeal to others that's why they only mimic few things and quote the same scriptures that everyone already knows.

Why is it compulsory to believe in Jesus?

I think that's the question you will like to know the answer without quoting what Jesus' own disciples said about him i will prove to you that there's nobody on this planet who doesn't need the TEACHINGS of Jesus if we must please the Almighty God.

Next question that may come to heart is since some have lived and died before Jesus' times and God has declared them righteous will such people also need his TEACHINGS to please Almighty God?

These two questions will be treated if you're willing to reason maturely.

Thanks!

johnw47:
If that happens jw's publications would be full of it.

Ask your friends it's written for whoever wants to know about God's modern day worshipers but what's baffling them all are the detailed explanation i'm giving which they never found in any publications of JWs that's why they're saying i'm lying but whatever i say here they know it's found in the publications of God's modern day servants: Jehovah's Witnesses!

IVYWonder9:
“The Song of Solomon, considered an erotic book in the Bible, is also the Word of God. See the hidden message it has for every one”:
https://theskynow.com/2024/05/23/why-song-of-solomon-in-the-bible-is-also-the-word-of-god/

All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work. 2Timothy 3:16-17

God's servants need to be fully competent and completely equipped as ministers of God that's what Paul meant in the above letter to Timothy as he first told him the things that will make life miserable during the endtime {2Timothy 3:1-5} so for God's servants to make good husbands and wives both genders who are ministers of God must have quality times to spend privately together as a couple that's the import of what you read in the Bible book of Genesis 3:8 you could have wondered how Adam and Eve were able to figure out that God is walking towards their direction in garden of Eden, could it be that God is living with them in the garden? Well it's was because God gave the couple time to enjoy themselves so the sound of God's feet heard was like a knock on the door to tell them that God is approaching their domain normally they can't even know if God wants to catch them unaware.

So if God gave the first couple the privilege of privacy and Adam composed a romantic poem at the sight of his wife {Genesis 2:23} then it's necessary for a man and his wife to compose romantic poems for each other's pleasure that is what will always keep them together as man and wife no matter how long they spend together even while they are old it's still good to remind each other how romantic they both were when they were actively enjoying each other's company as youthful man and wife.

When Paradise is restored on planet earth we will no longer grow old and feeble {Job 33:25} but the man and his wife will live forever as youths enjoying life to the fullest when the real life is restored! 1Timothy 6:19

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

Jesus foretold that his disciples will become a light to the world {Matthew 5:14-16} and just as he said in the first century Jesus' Jewish disciples strived to be really effective in doing the job assigned to them but they can't escape the principal enemy of pure worship Satan the devil who began fighting the church using every instrument he could lay his hands on {Revelations 12:17} by the close of the first century apostasy has started gaining grounds among Jesus' disciples {1John 2:18} so after the last surviving apostle John died Satan overshadowed the whole scene with his weeds just as Jesus prophesied {Matthew 13:25-29} that's why people living during that time were said to be in the DARK AGES as faithful people could no longer practice what Jesus commanded again!

This is what continued until the year 1914 when Jesus was crowned in heaven as the King of God's kingdom, that year all the religions on planet earth has gone off course as far as Christianity is concerned none was practicing Christianity in the right sense!

But after 1914 Jesus began the restoration of all things first was what he did in the heavens when he wage war against Satan and his demons {Revelations 12:7-12} next was to take all his anointed brothers who were sleeping in death to heaven {1Thessalonians 4:16-17} they were all taken to heaven in the year 1914 but then what about faithful people on planet earth who are still hoping in God? Jesus came to the earth to restructure his earthly disciples but there was not one single religion practicing what Jesus taught in the first century {Luke 18:8} that's why he began going from one religion to another as they are carrying the books written by his Apostles called the New Testament in their hands Jesus visited all these religions claiming Christians.

Jesus later found a small group called the International Bible Students Association (IBSA) this little group were dedicated to finding out what God's word said about the last days and how to carry out the work Jesus called the will of God {Matthew 7:21} so just as Jesus did in the first century he began working with this little group using God's Holy Spirit to direct them and within just few years Satan discovered that the IBSA is about to return to what he stopped some 18 centuries ago that's how he figured out that Jesus has been around working with this group so he swing into action and got all the leaders of this group arrested and sent to prison but Jesus used his power to free his newly appointed group from spiritual bondage in the year 1919 and from that year till today they have been restoring all what Jesus used his first century Jewish Apostles to established as this group started going throughout the earth to make disciples of people of all the nations baptizing them {Matthew 28:19} teaching/training them to become fishers of men {Mark 1:17} and after 12 years the one and only true God was pleased with this group so He began calling them by an hidden GROUP NAME that neither Satan, his demons nor his human agents ever thought of: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

So today there is no place where people talk about religions that they will not tremble when the name of this group is mentioned.
All these started when Jesus began ruling in heaven in the year 1914!

Modern day pastors are the problem because God didn't reveal wife to all his worshipers in ancient times neither did such happen among Christians!

FxMasterz:
What about the non highlighted?

How many people did God spoke to directly?

Ọmọ God's word has always been passed from mouth to mouth {Romans 10:15} that's why Jesus commanded his disciples to keep on passing the message! Matthew 28:19-20

What you're calling God's word came to you and i through humans so if you're speaking against humans who are passing messages to their fellow humans what is the assurance that you're not rejecting God's word?

Since the year 1914!

Well before the year 1914 no sane human have ever declared himself to be in a religion PHYSICALLY yet MENTALLY OUT of the same religion.

God's organization has been cleansed so that pure worship of the true God has come to stay but there are some whose parents gave birth to them inside God's organization but just the same way Satan finds it extremely difficult to remain in God's organization {Isaiah 35:8} these ones aren't satisfied with God's arrangement, you can try to imagine where Satan could turn to worship after rebelling against the only true God so instead of going to worship elsewhere he will always come into the gathering of God's spirit sons {Job 1:6} that's exactly what the children of disobedience are doing today {Ephesians 2:2} so just like Satan they will tell you that they are PHYSICALLY IN but MENTALLY OUT of God's organization.

It all started when Jesus began ruling in heaven since 1914!

Have you ever seen a madman before?
Do they often admit they are mad?

Well if you have heard a madman speak before you will notice that they will never ever agree that something is wrong with them they knew they're not well dressed like others but one thing they always claim, all mad people will say you shouldn't judge them by their appearance because they are PHYSICALLY IN that appearance but MENTALLY OUT of such situations.

So instead of admitting that they're mad or say they are OK with their appearance they will tell you that they're PHYSICALLY IN MENTALLY OUT of the situation you find them.

Well it may shock you that there are people today who are just like that as they often claim they know they're in a SATANIC RELIGION but instead of getting out of such a religion and joining a better one they will tell you that they are PHYSICALLY IN MENTALLY OUT of what they themselves have declared SATANIC.

Please are they different from INSANES?

Jesus' people must not carry weapons to fight and kill their neighbors, they must avoid whatever could cause strife with their neighbor, they must be united in faith as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers.

So when Jesus says they should get out of the false religions involving in all of these then who makes up his people today?

epfa:
"Get out of her, my people!"

See frustrated apostate!

After typing lies up and down the forum she's so frustrated that she couldn't contain the hot coals anymore.

So who are his people today?

Emusan:
Is it him you should be asking that question or your gods in Warwick?

Now you're coming to your senses!

They are the ones who made gods out of their fellow humans not me i view the Governing Body as leaders who will take the lead in the assignment Jesus gave not as lords over my faith.

That's why they found themselves in this mess claiming they're PHYSICALLY IN MENTALLY OUT of the one and only organization they can relate with!

FxMasterz:
So, you don't believe that if any man be in Christ, old things are passed away?

If you hold the words of men in higher esteem than the Words of God, are you still not an unbeliever?

The highlighted is really amusing walahi talahi!

Why do love lying to your own soul?

Please are you saying oteneaaron now believe in your Jesus?

Ọmọ all what you're doing here is like stupidity to oteneaaron because he doesn't believe in your Jesus he's just using you.

But if you want to prove me wrong tell him to preach a little bit of what he now believes in your Jesus, walahi talahi i will become Born Again now now if oteneaaron preach Jesus to convince me!

What exactly is FRIENDSHIP with the world?

johnw47:
lost false jw mad max
you think gods are infallible, how dum
only The God is infallible:
a senseless man has no knowledge,

Mumu gateman sef wan show himself.

Don't worry they will supply you the usual likes you crave!

oteneaaron:
Exactly the point.
It is that Hypocrisy that makes them "apostates in disguise".
That is why their greatest nightmare is their online identity exposed.

Where is it written in the scriptures that once you become a Christian you must not discuss with people outside Christianity?

Are we here specifically because of apostates like you?

Well think of the benefits of JWs on Nairaland and not just some instructions that you can't defend with the scriptures.

For instance this is what a Nairalander first said about Jehovah's Witnesses here on this same forum:

CJStarz:
Those people can be so unforgiving.
Bitter souls.
Have them as neighbours and colleagues

But after a brief chat with me this is what he later said:

CJStarz:
Guy, I just dey reason your talks.
U dey make sense shaaa.
But ur oda brethren wey dey yarn opata here, I go soon reason im matter.
You're trying to prove me wrong in my assertion which I'm beginning to see but that guy is a complete wacko.
Wetin be im name here sef.
Let me check

In fact he could see the off points comments of an apostate who is just trolling with nothing tangible to contribute.

CJStarz:
Na you wey just convert from Islam be d correct Witness.
Achorlady just dey yarn off point

Do you think he now has a different opinion about Jehovah's Witnesses?

Let this sink!

Jamestaiwo:
How is a Man saved?
John 3:16
[16]For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
A man is saved when He believed the Gospel of Christ.
Romans 5:8
[8]But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
None of us prayed for Christ to die, but while we were yet sinners, Christ died. That's why works are not required of us to be saved, but only our faith in the finished work of Christ.
The prerequisite for man to be saved is to believe in the work of Christ for him.
As a result of being saved, it is important for us to gather together and grow in the knowledge of what we have believed.

Hmmmmmmmmmm, you're quoting the Bible for sure but the PRACTICAL APPLICATION is what you don't know.

So i will pick it one after another.

@ John 3:16
God's word made us to know that only believers in Christ Jesus will be saved but have you taught of the man who believe in Jesus, searched for him and kneel on his feet before Jesus? Mark 10:17

He was a prominent politician and celebrity among the Jews! Luke 18:18

Please did this man believe in Jesus or not?

So why did Jesus said the man can't be saved? Luke 18:24-25

oteneaaron:
SHAMELESS LIAR.
I knew you couldn't bring up any evidence.
Shame on you.
When you speak a LIE, be bold enough to prove it and stop being a coward.

Whenever you hear the name "Maximus" you must tremble because i'm your Papa when it comes to intelligence.

So keep crying boy i've made my point and neither you nor your cohorts can refute what i say no matter how grievous and furious you may be.

I will always be here to give you pains unless you stop trailing me up and down the forum, i have stopped commenting on any of your threads but a million of you can't stop me from commenting or setting up a thread on Nairaland.

As for instructions from the Governing Body i have tried to help you but since you don't belong to the house of faith you won't see reasons with the truth.
They are not Gods, they are not infallible and so they can err in some decisions that's what confused you people, instead of studying the scriptures to know their roles in God's arrangement you just follow them gullibily and when they now discover they need to make adjustments you people become frustrated as if they were perfect!

oteneaaron:
This is complete BS - excuse my french.
Jehovah's Witnesses are not even Christians in the first place so what are you yapping about?
Just admit that you LIED and stop beating around the bush.
This is exactly what you said -
SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE TO PROVE WHAT YOU SAID.
I need raw data to prove this LIE.
Stop beating around the bush.

So that there's no place under the heavens where people living there won't say they know the one and only GROUP whose teachings stands out as unique!

Is there anywhere on this planet where you won't find people who believe their group is the only one teaching the truth?

Well it's such people Jesus sent us to fish out {Mark 1:17} not those who are indifferent to sacred service like you, that's why you can't stay in the truth!

And a highway will be there, Yes, a way called the Way of Holiness. The unclean one will not travel on it. It is reserved for the one walking on the way; No one foolish will stray onto it. Isaiah 35:8

When we find such ones they are grounded in the truth because that's what they've always long for! Matthew 5:6

Jamestaiwo:
To save Man from his sin. This happens when a man believes in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Why did it took you so long?

Hmmmmmmmmmm you tried but that's not the goal of Jesus the founder of the gospel.

His goal is to gather all obedient humans in all the nations under one umbrella so that they can all recognize one King and take instruction from him this is what will lead them to salvation.

So whoever fails to recognize the gathering of Holy Ones and associate with them can never be saved! Hebrews 10:24-25

FxMasterz:
Nice one (brother). Thanks for the clarification. As long as they remain here, they'll keep hearing the Truth until the Truth takes roots in their hearts.

Ọmọ don't deny your brother nah!

Please don't forget to add the highlighted anytime you want to quote oteneaaron!

https://www.nairaland.com/7006256/jesus-real-myth-challenge-maxindhouse

oteneaaron:
I have challenged MaxInDHouse to give me undeniable proof that Jesus is a real figure from history and not a mythical figure.

FxMasterz:
Thanks brother. He wants us to look away whenever he spreads his dangerous nets to catch gullible souls.

FxMasterz:
I don't have any brother that says Jesus doesn't exist.

Let the Internet keep the record!

The countdown began in the year 1914!

oteneaaron:
No be by cho cho - show workings!
Show me the data evidence that shows that there are Jehovah's Witnesses in Somalia, Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia!
If you can prove it, then you're nothing but a SHAMELESS LIAR!

Chai! see spiritual deafness!

Well let me expatiate further for the sake of other followers of my thread.

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are people who believe in one God and so they're always looking forward to the establishment of one organized religion where they will worship shoulder to shoulder with their fellow worshipers in all the earth. Zephaniah 3:9
So the group name JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES is for people like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Joshua, Job and so on! Hebrews 11:4-34

Christianity is the group Jesus commissioned to help Jehovah's Witnesses connect with their fellow believers in the same God and line of thought globally! Matthew 28:18-20; Act 1:8

So when i say there are Jehovah's Witnesses in all the earth i'm not referring to Christians who are doing the work of gathering them together rather i'm referring to faithful people who believe in one God and the same line of thought regarding pure worship.

Do you get it now?

oteneaaron:
What a perfect statement to showcase the conditional love Jehovah's Witnesses practice!
In JW language,
"remains faithful to Jehovah" = remains faithful to the Organization
Jehovah = The Organization
Always keep this fact in mind when dealing with a JW.
CC: Johnw47, FxMasterz.

FxMasterz:
Noted. The organization is their Jehovah.

Walahi talahi you guys got it excellently!

It's the ORGANIZATION that makes JEHOVAH real in the minds of His worshipers you can confirm by reading:

“You are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah, “Yes, my servant whom I have chosen, So that you may know and have faith in me And understand that I am the same One. Before me no God was formed, And after me there has been none. I—I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no savior.” “I am the One who declared and saved and made known When there was no foreign god among you. So you are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah, “and I am God. Isaiah 43:10-12

According to the highlighted in blue what is the EVIDENCE that Jehovah is real and working?

The ORGANIZATION of His WITNESSES! Hebrews 12:1

So you guys got this one perfectly!

FxMasterz:
Thanks brother. He wants us to look away whenever he spreads his dangerous nets to catch gullible souls.

FxMasterz:
Deep down in my heart, I wish you could become born again

The highlighted above is the reason why you're never going to be my own brother your hypocrisy stinks as you call an atheist who told you to your face that Jesus doesn't exist "a brother".

So why not direct your hypocritical wishes to oteneaaron at least he's your BROTHER in da lord, preach your born again doctrine to him first before disturbing your brain about someone like me!