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Ken4Christ:
Answer the question; where in the scripture did it say only 144,000 will go to heaven?

Christ Jesus is the Messiah (anointed King of God's kingdom) whose government house is to be stationed in heaven {John 14:1-3} and only 144,000 will be always be with the King of God's kingdom wherever he goes! Revelations 14:1-4
So they are the only number going to rule with him in heaven there is no scripture that says 144,000 will go to heaven specifically but with what the Bible presented to us only a limited number will rule with the Christ {Luke 12:32} and this limited number will be with him always {1Thessalonians 4:16-17} so if the government house will be stationed in heaven {John 14:1-3} then it's wise to conclude that only that number will go with him to heaven!

FxMasterz:
Do you mean that the spirit brings would mix with the physics beings to be caught up with Christ? Where did you see that 'their last breathe' clause you added?

You asked me:

FxMasterz:
Then what does this scripture mean?
1 Thessalonians 4:16
"For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first."

So i EXPATIATED on what you quoted.

Only those who have finished their race will be taken and they can't go unless they drop the flesh and blood (physical body) they are carrying {1Corinthians 15:50} they must put on the spiritual body which is only given to those who have finished their earthly mission.

So anyone who is still living must die first before he or she can be turned into a spirit to join those going to heaven that's why Jesus said they can't marry there because it's physical bodies that determines our gender! Luke 20:34-36

Ken4Christ:
Seen what? Russell is in hell waiting for you. You don't want to deliver yourself from this evil organisation with all the evidences of their lies.

Stick to the point of discussion not fallacies you're cooking in your head!

Templee333:
Thanks for advertising my writing! Now to the topic, why do you lie to defend an organization? You are the same person who brag about 1914, but now you are denying that your society does not give dates.

Templee333:
I heard a voice in my sleep,
it was my dead mom calling softly from the grave:
Son!
There's no heaven above d clouds!
What!
yes! Heaven is in ur heart.
God isn't a picture with snow white beard!
What!
yes! God is that beggar sprawling in the street!
There's no hell burning with sulphur & brimstone!
What!
yes! Hell is that hate flickering in ur eyes!

https://www.nairaland.com/7262835/dear-christiansplease-say-something

If you don't believe in these things i don't think it has anything to do with you! Matthew 7:6

So after Jesus became King in heaven his first move was to oust Satan and his demons from heaven {Revelations 12:7-12} that's what led to the fulfillment of another prophecy of Jesus that WARS, FOOD SHORTAGES, PESTILENCES and EARTHQUAKES will begin on planet earth! Matthew 24:7

All these things began in the year 1914 till today!

FxMasterz:
Then what does this scripture mean?
1 Thessalonians 4:16
"For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first."

The dead as in believers sleeping in death who have finished their race will be resurrected first and they will become spirit beings to meet Christ in heaven while the rest who are still alive will continue with their race until they finish but instead of them to sleep in death like the former believers they will be caught up immediately at their last breath!

FxMasterz:
Please understand. The emphasis is not that they don't need to be taught by anyone. That's not what we're discussing. The emphasis is that the Holy Spirit teaches everyone.

You're the one contradicting yourself!

If the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses are teaching the flock of God under their care it's SCRIPTURAL and you can't refute it with the scriptures unless you just want to use your own PERSONAL opinion.

As for Holy Spirit guiding each believer it's when each person pray to God for help to understand certain things that's difficult to grasp that God will grant him or her the spirit to guide his understanding and that doesn't mean he should impose it on others that's his or her own personal research which he begged God to help him understand.

So the Bible books i'm quoting to support my personal discovery is not to be taught to others but my own special properties to show anyone that i have evidence of my own beliefs in the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses headed by the Governing Body! Luke 17:37

You can't tell me to teach others neither can you tell me it's wrong because it's my own personal research!

Templee333:
you joined an organization without making proper research and now you want to use lies to defend the organization to make it look good. One day you will realize yourself. Just keep defending them.

Even Jesus and his disciples are nothing to you:

Templee333:
I was made to believe that one day, a man who died about 2000 years ago was lifted up into the sky where he made preparations for his 2nd coming. This 2nd coming means different things to different groups of people. Some say he is coming to roast the earth in an inferno after flying away with his believers to give them a home in the sky. Many christians hold this belief, though, some have a different way of explaining his 2nd coming. Now the big issue is, will this man ever come again? If yes, when? What is he coming to do?

https://www.nairaland.com/8044130/when-he-coming

So what exactly are you saying gangan?

Ken4Christ:
It's not a news, search online. They don't even deny it.

Why not beg those who told you these LIES to give you a copy (hard or soft) of the Jehovah's Witnesses publication where it's written?

Next time try to make sure of all things; hold fast to what is fine! 1Thessalonians 5:21

Stop following faithless crowds! Exodus 23:1-2

FxMasterz:
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him."

Please dispute 1 John 2:27.

If there shouldn't be any man to teach them then what does Paul meant by:

And he gave some as apostles, some as prophets, some as evangelizers, some as shepherds and teachers. Ephesians 4:11

Jesus commanded his disciples to gather people and baptize them then continue TEACHING them! Matthew 28:19-20

According to Act 2:42 all the believers were being TAUGHT by the Apostles.

So if you want to know what John meant there just ask but if you feel you already know it's OK keep it to yourself!

FxMasterz:
There's no scriptural backing for such a position as yours.
Now, even the brother who finishes his race remains part of the church after he departs. See? That's to say that the body of Christ does not consist of the physical people who are currently running the race. It consists also of those who have finished the race. That's a spiritual Body.
This is how each member of the Body is begotten:
John 1:13
"They are reborn—not with a physical birth resulting from human passion or plan, but a birth that comes from God."
God is Spiritual and whosoever is begotten of the spiritual is spiritual as well.
1 Peter 1:23
"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever."
John 3:5
"Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God”
1 Peter 2:5
"You also as living stones are built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God through Jesus Christ."
Now, do you understand? Or you still want to argue against the Word of God in support of your watchtower books?

Those who have died are SLEEPING IN DEATH! John 11:11-14 compared to Act 7:60

They're no part of the church since they're no longer active {Ecclesiastes 9:5-6, 10} therefore they can't be persecuted anymore unlike the VISIBLE CHURCH that Paul said he PERSECUTED! 1Corinthians 15:9

Your opinion can't change that!

FxMasterz:
No one has the monopoly of dispensing spiritual food. God can use anyone to share Revelations.

This is your own opinion but according to the Bible God only use a small group called the Apostles and Older men to dispense spiritual food to His worshipers {Act 2:42} that's why Paul and Barnabas must travel all the way to Jerusalem {Act 15:2} to bring back what God's Holy Spirit revealed to be told to all the congregations! Act 15:28-29

So go and teach your own church people what you know i stick to what the Bible teaches!

Please quote just one publication of Jehovah's Witnesses were it's written word for word:

"The world will end in a (specific date)"

As for end of the world John the baptist and Jesus of Nazareth has been proclaiming it since 2,000 years ago so if you think they're wrong that's your own cup of coffee!

Ken4Christ:
He is the root cause but you have the choice to say no to his deceits. The scripture says you should resist the devil and he will flee from you. But, you are still dodging my question. Show me in the Bible where it says that only 144,000 will make heaven.

You have seen it but pride will not allow you to admit, only those who will rule with Christ Jesus are going to heaven not all believers.
Period!

FxMasterz:
The church of God is eternal my friend. The lives forever and ever because Christ's Body is an everlasting Body. This body is also called the Bride of Christ. The preachers who preached yesterday have passed on. I mean those you saw physically in Samaria, Judea and the uttermost parts of the world. While those you saw physically are not seen any more, the church lives on, and they're still part of the Church.
The church eats spiritual food, not physical food. It takes a spiritual water for cleansing. Not physical water. You need scripture references? Ask, and it shall be given unto you.
The Church is a spiritual Body

So go and teach your friends in your churches that they should be invisible but from what the Bible teaches the Church is VISIBLE each person holds an office which must be transferred to another Christian once the officer finishes his race.

That's what my Bible says!

FxMasterz:
Revelation can be both general or individualistic. God can reveal something to you as an individual which could be solely meant for you or for the church in general. Individual revelations during personal study are called Rhema.

That's your own terms in your religion i'm talking about what the scriptures say about the first century Christians so don't divert.

Revelations is meant to be for the whole congregation not personal that's why Paul said if anyone is speaking in tongues and it's personal he should shut up because that's not for the congregation! 1Corinthians 14:28

So my discoveries are personal and not to be shared since i'm not the BODY Jesus is using to dispense spiritual food.

Do you now see why you're wrong to expect all other JWs to flow with my personal discovery?

FxMasterz:
My God, the Church is not visible, otherwise everyone would know the Church. Christ's church is spiritual. Christ Himself is Spiritual right now and so is His Body. That is why we partake of a spiritual food and not physical food.

If the church is not visible what then did Jesus meant by saying:

"You will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part of the earth." Act 1:8

Will the CHURCH doing the witnessing work be visible to men or not?

Because Jesus said the world will persecute them {Matthew 24:9} so how can the world PERSECUTE what they can't see?

Ken4Christ:
But those who will reign with Christ during the 1,000 years came from heaven with him.

Have you agreed that Satan is the cause of ungodliness not humans?

FxMasterz:
My dear, Light means Revelation. That's all. If you have a different meaning for it in your organization then I'll understand that I was supposed to tell them you got a new revelation.

Revelation is what Jesus revealed to the BODY not individuals each must do his own personal research to grasp what is happening just as Beroeans did in the first century there were Christians in Rome, Corinth, Galatia, Ephesus, Phillipi, Colossea and Thessalonica when the apostles said Beroeans did their own research to figure out what was happening.

So what the Beroeans discovered in their research can't be called New light or Revelation otherwise the Beroeans will become the ones teaching Christians in other lands instead of the Apostles and Older men in Jerusalem.

Do you understand now?

Millions of Jews today don't believe in Jesus of Nazareth because they lack understanding of his role in God's arrangement!

Study the Bible with us in your homes, in your shops and on line!

And they have come from all the nations under the heavens to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

From 1914 Jesus began his restructuring work to get his disciples back to the assignment he gave them in the first century as Satan has used his agents to disrupt the work over the centuries {Luke 18:8} the only group that's ready for correction was the International Bible Students Association known today as JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ORGANIZATION.

Before 1914 this group never intended to form a religion or church of their own rather they were going to all the existing religions back then to show them what they discovered in their research work.

So when Jesus arrived as a mighty Spirit King there was no single religion doing the work he commissioned in the first century and none was ready to make adjustments so he started working with the International Bible Students Association that's why their understanding began to improve gradually until what we have today.

Most people don't even know that back then JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES used to celebrate Christmas until the year 1926 as Jesus was gradually correcting them!

FxMasterz:
You're talking about Christ at His coming. But you seem not to know that the Church is Christ's body as well.

So how is the CHURCH that's visible to all SPIRITUAL?

Àbí you don't know what a spirit means again?

It's not against God's word the only thing we should avoid is being together in a dark place or where nobody can see us because it could lead to something else but kissing and hugging is never a crime among believers in Bible times!

FxMasterz:
The body of Christ is a spiritual body. Why are you so ignorant?

SPIRITUAL BODY?

Well the scriptures say it's PHYSICAL BODY that could be seen by people far and near:

And he gave some as apostles, some as prophets, some as evangelizers, some as shepherds and teachers, with a view to the readjustment of the holy ones, for ministerial work, to build up the body of the Christ. Ephesians 4:11-12

So it's the CONGREGATION as a whole that represents the BODY of Christ! Act 1:8

Say another thing!

FxMasterz:
John had a wrong expectation but he never preached it!

He never preached it shey?

So why exactly was the Christian couple called Aquila and Priscilla correcting one of the disciples of John the baptist? Act 18:24-26

FxMasterz:
I told your brothers that you have a new light

This is your mischief!

Maybe you need the spiritual meaning of the word "LIGHT"

First of all LIGHT literally means something that all the people see together at once so the word NEW connotes another color but in Bible terms it's said to be GETTING BRIGHTER so it's only the LIGHT himself {Revelations 22:16 compare to Proverbs 4:18} who declares it not any member of his organization.

So calling PERSONAL discovery of a member of the congregation NEW LIGHT means you don't understand what it means because it can't be light if only me discovered it through personal research!

FxMasterz:
Now, regarding the Body of Christ. It did not start with Russel. The Body of Christ is bigger than any human organization. Meditate on that.

But your own body of Christ are members of politics and military services fighting and killing fellow members of the same body shey?

Your own body of Christ have different terms and conditions of worship with codes that's contradicting one another shey?

Do you know the literal meaning of the word "BODY"

FxMasterz:
Are you in support of your brother's new lights? Can you see his lies and deliberate manipulation of scriptures? May God have mercy on you all.

Now you're proving to be mischievous!

I told you that is my own personal discoveries not Watchtower so how do you expect them to swallow it? Each person will have to go and make his or her personal research on that Bible verse the point there is that true believers will have the same line of thought due to the BODY feeding them as one {Matthew 24:45} and these believers have sharp eyes like EAGLES to see from afar where their food is. Luke 17:37

If we all depend on whatever WATCHTOWER drops you will say we don't have our own mind now that i prove each person can make his or her own personal research you're demanding that all others must agree with me as if Kumuyi , Olukoya, Adeboye, Oyedepo, Oyakilome, Oritsejafor and the rest all agreed on the same discovery.

Now between you and i who is mischievous?

FxMasterz:
Many of your fellow brothers in your JW cult also believe you're fake. What difference does that make?

OK so OLAADEGBU is right that Olukoya is fake shey?
Noted!

FxMasterz:
You don't need to bring Olukoya into the matter to save face. Did John preach that he was baptizing in order to make people obedient to a coming Kingdom? In what way did John make blunders similar to your failed prophecies regarding Jesus' coming? Why is it that only your organization is the one making such failed prophecies? They were failures in 1874, 1878 and 1914. Are they the only Christians? Why are they the only false prophets of Christ's coming? Only fake prophets put a date on the coming of Christ.

John had a wrong expectation just as the jw.org also had a wrong expectation about the year 1914.
There is no publication of watchtower where any other year was mentioned in connection to the end of the world if you have it present it here or tell your friends to present it word for word!

According to the Bible God was never stationed in a place {Genesis 1:2} the creation work started after God has created a being like Himself and both were moving to and fro but by the time God wanted to establish His sovereignty He commanded His only begotten Son and the creation of all other things began first with a place where spirits will stay with God: Heavens
And another place where other creatures (physical) will live: Earth
The only begotten Son of God who is called the WISDOM of God {1Corinthians 1:24} later explained! Proverbs 8:22-31