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Before the year 1914 Jesus' group were known as Christians right now from the time when Jews in Antioch started calling them "CHRISTIANS" that group name became what most people wish to be called unknowingly to many that it was used to demean Jesus' disciples back then but 19 years later precisely in the year 1931 JEHOVAH began calling His people by another group name:

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

So all what Jesus said about his group as they will be persecuted, abused, vilified, imprisoned and executed all for Their unwavering faith was fulfilled among Jehovah's Witnesses.

Praise JEHOVAH!

From 1914 till today millions across the globe have learned how to become peace makers {Isaiah 2:2-4} as they're now targeting how to build more families in the midst of people who never knew them before! Matthew 12:46-50

Praise JEHOVAH!

WhatsDifficult:
Who said I dnt want to further discussion? If u answered me I will further discuss

When you first mention me i thought you are interested in knowing direct answers to your question that's why i was quoting the scriptures to answer you.

Please what do you mean by:

WhatsDifficult:
Read your number 4 again and look at wat u hav been doing to me ever since.

Expatiate on this let me know exactly what you have in mind regarding my fourth response in that comment!

CJStarz:
Now, do away with tit for tat.
If he mentions you,you don't necessarily have to respond. That makes for peace, right? No more mentions,pls.

@achorladey, no more mentions,pls.
One of you can be the bigger one.
For the love of Christ, let's drop this talk,u hear?

Las las, God knows those who are His.

If una mention me again, I go tiff una phone 😂

Bless you,guys.

Abeg make I concentrate for work.
HSE assessment team in the facility.
Make we no fail their assessment test.

I go host una for evening...

It's OK i'm done responding to him!

WhatsDifficult:
U dropped ur opinion and supplied scripture that match it na check
ND my question u didn't answer

Please i'm sorry for engaging you i thought you found something meaningful in my comment that's why you quoted me i never knew you don't want to further the discussion.

Apologies please!

achorladey:
You go from atheist thread to apostate thread to peddle your lies and manipulations about people and their beliefs since you are the only that don't know they have conflicting and contradicting teachings and doctrines.

I want to believe that you're open to agreement {2Timothy 3:3} so will you stop mentioning me if i quit apostate threads?

OK i promise not to comment on any thread opened by apostates on this forum henceforth even though my name is mentioned i won't respond.

Do we have an agreement now?

achorladey:
Allow CJStarz to respond

Chai!

So you can say someone should allow the person mentioned to respond!

Why are you so restless?

If i quoted anyone you will respond, if someone quote me you will respond and even when both the mentioned and the one who is responding have nothing to do with you so far it has to do with me or my comment you will respond.

Yet you're the one now saying i should allow someone to respond.

Ó mà ṣe o!

achorladey:
CJStarz taught you a lesson of letting sleeping dogs lie.

Have i mentioned you afterwards?

Your attitude can't stop me from airing my faith on this forum as everyone is free to air their opinion regarding faith so it will make sense if you should also air your views instead of trolling me up and down the forum as if na me chop your bread, there are thousands of opinions regarding faith on this forum and each person is free to speak.

So if they are not in agreement it means there's no point in following just one person up and down the forum claiming he is lying whereas thousands aren't in agreement yet you never followed them complaining about their beliefs!

achorladey:
Tell him to stop mentioning you.

I mentioned him to remind you that a honest hearted and sincere follower has noticed how you're just trolling without making any tangible point.

So if you don't want me to mention people who have cautioned you why not stop mentioning me?

WhatsDifficult:
Read your number 4 again and look at wat u hav been doing to me ever since
Even all this rules, shebi another church will open the bible and select the rules that they are comfortable 4 dem
U hav nit even answer the question I asked

Are insinuating that using the scriptures to answer your question is the same as forcing one's opinion on you?

Well at this junction i'll quit the discussion.

Thanks for your time!

WhatsDifficult:
Jehovah witness
They are many churches going around preaching na that's why I'm asking what if they are preaching nonsense and that's why I am asking how to know the truth. I av entered so many churches and seen nonsense that's why I read my Bible alone
So answer my question, what if they are going about preaching rubbish?

My friend you weren't observant enough that's why you think there are many churches going about preaching.

First of all you need to know the instructions the founder of Christianity gave his disciples when he commissioned the work.

[1] They must go from house to house and door to door {Matthew 10:11-13} this will give everyone the chance to hear them so no matter how poor a person is or how remote his location Jesus' disciples must find him! 1Timothy 2:4

[2] They must go in pairs {Luke 10:1} this will make it really difficult for anyone to wrongly accuse them and they can remind each other if there's any question raised about their message! Ecclesiastes 4:9

[3] They must not disturb their neighborhood with noise claiming they're doing God's work: {Matthew 12:19} this will help in communities where only the King's messengers are known as town criers!

[4] They must not try to force their opinion on their audience {Matthew 10:16} this will help those seeing them to know they are not extremists! 1Peter 3:15

[5] They must view people of all tribes, nations, status, background, fields as neighbours {Mark 12:31} this will help them to remain neutral in the face of tribal conflicts as they are representatives of the Prince of Peace! Isaiah 9:6 compare to Act 1:8

All these hasn't included the theme of their message which is God's Kingdom! Matthew 10:7

Do you think all those claiming preachers are following these guidelines from the founder of PREACHING? Matthew 28:19-20

WhatsDifficult:
I dnt understand you are u catholic?
And u hv not answer my question

Are Catholics known globally for zealous preaching?

Well preaching is a difficult assignment because the preacher must have a theme to preach and be consistent about it with all types of industriousness making it his lifestyle not just doing it anyhow but sticking to the rules and admonition of the one and only leader who commissioned preaching and teaching from house to house and door to door: Christ Jesus!

He himself knew how difficult the assignment is for imperfect humans that's why he said in the Bible book of Matthew 28:18-20

"You will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part of the earth.” Act 1:8

Note the highlighted in blue, Jesus promised his faithful friends that they will be energized when God's Active Force comes upon them and so it happened they couldn't do the work until God's Active Force was poured upon them. Act 2:1-4

So do you think such a thing could go round the earth catching people of all the nations and making them zealous just for RUBBISH?

Well i'm Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses!

CJStarz:
Guy, I been think say we don die this matter nah? Let things slide.

@achorladey, bros,abeg,make we bury the matter,U hear?

Na mola be d most important thing no be all these arguements. Make God fill our bank accounts today Wella in Jesus Name.

Remember i told you to take things easy with him when you discovered how obsessed he is with mentioning me.

CJStarz:
Blockhead like you 😂

CJStarz:
Oya bring your Bible.
Open am....

CJStarz:
As e be so, anyone wey talk talk anyhow about you go collect from me😂

MaxInDHouse:
Haaaaaaaaaaa! no be so my friend.
We are used to their kind! Matthew 5:11-12

Those are your own words after seeing how he kept following me with CURSES and INSULTS saying i insulted him some two or three years ago.

So ask him why he can't stop mentioning me, did i snatch his bread?

The apostles were given the assignment to gather disciples for Jesus throughout the earth and continue teaching them how to remain obedient to God's Kingdom so that by the time Christ comes with his angels to exterminate all evildoers faithful and obedient humans will be spared! Psalms 37:34

But then how can someone miss out even after meeting with Jesus' apostles?

By the time Jesus walked the earth Satan has caused a lot of confusion among the Jews using the same temple in Jerusalem so there was contradicting views about how Jerusalem will be delivered from the hands of oppressors in the political struggles going on around the world at that time.

Nations kept defeating one another to stand as world power so during the time Jesus walked the earth the Romans were the world power that's why they appointed governors throughout all the districts under their domain including Judea (Jesus' motherland) so the Jews back then were expecting the Messiah (Christ) to come and deliver them from the world power and establish a Jewish system of rule over all the earth {Act 1:6} because that's what they thought after reading the inspired writings! Isaiah 9:6-7; Daniel 2:44

So different religions using the temple each had their own theory regarding how the Christ will make this happen but then John the baptist whom 98% of the Jews back then view as a prophet introduced Jesus of Nazareth to them as the Christ yet Jesus wasn't doing anything about Rome rather he was telling the Jews to love the Romans as their neighbors and continue paying tribute to the Roman emperor! Mark 12:17

After all said and done Jesus was killed by the Jews who felt he's not their own Messiah as he wasn't meeting up with their expectations.

So let's put ourselves in the shoes of the first century Jewish community if we find ourselves in the same situation how many of us would have become a disciple of such a person?
After his demise his closest confidants continued with his legacy and God showed by His power that this little group has His approval.

If you are alive back then will you humbly be submissive to this little group?
How are you going to do so without idolizing them?

achorladey:
When you raise hand it is to thank God in your midst the military intelligence officer. You can redefine the politics in your midst as dancing on the floor or rolling on the floor
Thank for the offer of mock humility or being humble. I don't want the type manufactured within your religious organization. It is subservient not humble

Do you now see why this guy said about you:

CJStarz:
Dat @Janosky na bad example of a witness.
He lacks the attributes of a witness.
Na you wey just convert from Islam be d correct Witness.
Achorlady just dey yarn off point

No be me talk am o.
I just decided to handle you properly today to show you that you're completely empty when talking about understanding the scriptures.

Good night!

achorladey:
They even said Jehovah and Jesus trust them completely.

That's obvious as they're the only group that's able to gather millions throughout the earth, help them to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers, diverting their resources into production of food and information materials, stop the production, buying, selling and using of weapons and vow never to raise weapons against anyone again!
Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Certainly JEHOVAH and Jesus has chosen them to oversee the affairs of obedient mankind in this endtime! Luke 12:32

I'm still waiting for you to apply that Bible book of Act 17:11 o
I'm applying it to prove that i'm like the Beroeans Christians!

achorladey:
The lies and manipulations on your end must be peddled....
Whenever there is position to fill there is politics. When you argue with your fellow elders in that your elders meeting over deciding over issues and raising hands to vote. Remember the politics you are involved in and MaxInDHouse is yet to fall out of that religious organization
The new light of lies and manipulations packed into your brains as imperfect spiritual food. No guarantee on the food they give and you are waiting on Jehovah to send new light which they cannot convey to you correctly . Those that leave cannot remain in the hamster wheel of lies forced on you at all cost to maintain unity.
I know politics is in your heart and you are ready to play it as long as. they keep lying manipulating your brains. It has nothing to do with people leaving or staying based on lies and manipulations enforced at all cost to maintain unity

So politics is when believers decide over issues by raising their hands?

Ọmọ humble yourself and learn politics is when you are taking the office of oversight as if you must be there and no one is more qualified than you not when brothers raise up their hands to decide on serious issues!

achorladey:
See the difference between those first century Christians and Jehovah's Witnesses
Jehovah's Witnesses.....
That's just a tip and stop treating prophecies with contempt with the thousands interpretations of type and antitype your GODS applied to prophecies including 1914 .

You quoted Act 17:11

Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thes·sa·lo·niʹca, for they accepted the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so!

So between me and you who accepted the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the scriptures daily to see whether what religious leaders today says are so?

*I believe this is the last days as found written in the scriptures. Matthew 24:7-14

*That God's organized people must be preaching zealously and industriously teaching in all their neighborhood. Matthew 28:19-20

*That they are not to be part of the world who are fighting and killing indiscriminately even killing their fellow worshipers in other lands.
John 17:14-16; Revelations 6:3-4

*That real disciples of Christ must separate themselves from false religionists whose faith has no visible works. Revelations 18:4 compare to James 2:16-26

*That many will fall out of the faith and become idle instead of finding another group of believers to work with. Matthew 24:12

Only Jehovah's Witnesses organization is doing all these today.


Oya use the scriptures to explain your faith in God!

achorladey:
Whenever their is a position to fill there is politics.

I just hope you guys grasp what is happening in this endtime that it's those in whose head politics is grounded that are falling out of God's organization.

If you don't see the office of oversight as a must, do or die affair you should be able to wait patiently for JEHOVAH to send the new light for matters to be clarified.

So if politics is in your heart definitely humility won't have a stay and that means you won't last in God's organization!

achorladey:
They remain your GODS we know how you have hailed them high and above any other here

In the first century there were several schools of thought in the Jewish community yet those who are faithful only adhere strictly to what the Apostles teaches! Act 2:42

So going by your understanding the Apostles were the GODS first century Christians worship shey?

wumiwumi100:
MaxInDHouse The Governing Body has been discouraging people from pursuing higher education. In 2010, my dad was removed as an elder because my elder brother entered university. Today, we received a letter stating that Watchtower needs qualified lawyers to assist at Bethel. My question is, if those lawyers did not pursue higher education, how would they qualify as lawyers? The hypocrisy of the Watchtower and the Governing Body is appalling. Below is the screenshot of the letter.

Courz achorladey Make una come see something o.

Is this not what i've been telling you?

Where is it written in the Bible or in the SFL that you shouldn't go for higher education?

Where is it written in the Bible or SFL that you must be an elder to enter God's Kingdom?

Ọmọ you people WORSHIPED the Governing Body as if they're your GOD.
Their assignment is to direct the work Jesus commissioned his disciples globally and that's what they're thinking every moment of their life so if you're a member of the organization are you to follow gullibly?
Well there is no scripture or section in the SFL where it's stated word for word that members of the congregation shouldn't pursue higher education.

So it's not their fault rather that of people like you who attached too much importance to office of oversight, must you be an elder or Ministerial Servant?
If you're in the congregation as a professor and you're not appointed when the new light comes {Proverbs 4:18} it will be revealed that God's organization needs brothers with different skills.
For your information it took the elders in my own congregation to consider appointing me as a Ministerial Servant.
WHY?
Most of their wives don't use makeups and none use artificial nails but my wife is a fashionista none of them could walk up to me to speak about it because they know through my comments that i only adhere to what is boldly stated in the scriptures not what anyone cooked up.
Meanwhile i know that's the only organization doing God's will so i will wait patiently for the new light to clarify matters.
So my dear friend work on your understanding of the scriptures and what the faithful slave will be doing in the last days instead of seeing them as your GOD! Act 17:11

WhatsDifficult:
What if u r a zealous group that is going about preaching rubbish?

OK zealous group has members throughout the world preaching rubbish shey?
Hmmmmmmmmmm, well that is strange o it's really really strange!

BewareOf419:
Is it satan that was spoken in Gen 22:1-19? I don't think you know what you're saying at all

Satan is behind the temptation!

God is speaking but who was accusing Abraham of selfish love for his friend?

In the Bible book of Job this is what Satan said:

[/b]Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?
Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land. But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face. Job 1:9-11[/b]

But God has demanded Abraham's son before that's why He told Satan:

And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.Job 1:12

Here God indirectly told Satan "NO i won't test my servant with evil things but you can go ahead and do whatever you want with his belongings but make sure you don't touch him"

So the idea to tempt Abraham is not from the same Person whom the Bible said can't test people with evil things! James 1:13

@ Aemmyjah

This is what Questionnaire asked after a brief chat with him on faith in Christ, God's word and the organization that's practicing what Jesus taught:

Questionnaires:
How Do I Become A Jehovah Witness ?
Why Are JW Not Utilizing Nairaland and Other Social Media Portals To FOCUS On TEACHING These Important Messages Particularly At These Times?

So the apostates are bitter about all of these that's why they are rushing after me on Nairaland but after dropping comments that technically knock them off as faithless miscreants they will become more furious as if i'm the cause of their misfortune!

Aemmyjah:
It's not social media or forums that we'll use to convince people about the Truth
Honest hearted ones will not come searching for the truth on a social forum that has all sorts of people with diverse religious backgrounds

Hmmmmmmmmmm, Aemmyjah.

It's like you've forgotten people like Seniorman who first came to this forum questioning what we believe due to the attitude of apostates.

Or Questionnaires who was asking questions about faith in God's word.

Or CJStarz who also joined critics against God's organization.

Let me remind you my brother.
Later this is what Seniorman later said despite all the criticism from apostates:

SeniorMan715:
The way you explain and answer questions, sometimes i wonder if truly you are a human or an angel. You know everything.

And as for Questionnaire he said:

Questionnaires:
MAXINDHOUSE is The Only Reasonable Christian That I've Come Across On This Forum That Creates Discourse And Debates Without Trying To Hurt The Emotions of Others No Matter How They Don't Agree With His Philosophy.

And later began asking questions on how to join JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ORGANIZATION.

What about CJStarz?
Well this is what he later said after engaging him on this forum:

CJStarz:
Guy, I just dey reason your talks.
U dey make sense shaaa.
But ur oda brethren wey dey yarn opata here, I go soon reason im matter.
You're trying to prove me wrong in my assertion which I'm beginning to see but that guy is a complete wacko.
Wetin be im name here sef.
Let me check

CJStarz:
Dat @Janosky na bad example of a witness.
He lacks the attributes of a witness.
Na you wey just convert from Islam be d correct Witness.
Achorlady just dey yarn off point

So my brother the Apostates here are crying after me for gaining the attention of sincere and honest hearted individuals they are really bitter that despite all their effort some are getting the sense of what it takes to be a member of the one and only true Christian organization!

From your attitude it's clear that you people are the ones misconstruing the whole thing for yourselves intelligent individuals don't view those taking the lead in God's work as GODS rather we diligently study the scriptures to know their roles and how to work with them! Act 17:11

Courz:
If they decide

Can you wait until then?

achorladey:
Your lies and manipulations will be exposed the more you respond....

Are you just rebooting after your first counter comment?
Well it's not the way you view Christ brothers that matters to me but how the scriptures said we should view them!

According to Christ Jesus they are to do the work of preaching and teaching globally which they 144,000 {Revelations 14:1} numbering from the first century till the end time can't complete so they need the assistance of the earth sheep {John 10:16} that's why Jesus said those who render such assistance to them will be rewarded as sheep! Matthew 25:34-40

So if anyone doesn't grasp this he or she will turn the whole thing into what God's word never said about them.

I remembered when my wife first attended a meeting in Nigeria some sisters were looking at her nails with contempt whereas in the country where she lives sisters there use eyelashes, artificial nails or bracelets but trust a strong woman as she doesn't even mind their looks.
Even a Governing Body member can't speak about what the Bible never added as rules but then most people often take things too far as if those taking the lead must dictate everything for them.
So i'm using this medium to tell you that there is a role the Governing Body, Branch committees, Circuit Overseers, Elders and Ministerial Servants in the congregation are to play they're not meant to pass that boundary it's most of you that's putting them where they never told you they belong they don't have any authority over you than how you should go about the work assigned to them preaching and teaching about God's Kingdom as their coworkers!

WhatsDifficult:
God knows av been trying 2 learn His truths

Nobody is to be taken as your Lord except Jesus Christ because he is a perfect counselor {Isaiah 9:6} so whenever anyone is teaching you the first thing you should consider is what church is such a person attending?
And how dedicated are members of that church in the preaching and teaching work Jesus assigned to his disciples?

If the person is not a member of a zealous group known for that work know that their church is not producing the FRUIT expected of God's people {Matthew 7:16-18} so such a person is not worth listening to as his faith is not worth emulating! Hebrews 13:7

achorladey:
They are your GODS the moment Sanderson stated

1. Members can now use their Bible trained conscience

2. They are the Guardians of OUR Doctrines.

3. At that time, the life-saving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.

Emphasis on any instruction, appear sound or strategic or not

Do they tell how many bottles of guilder to drink?
Do they tell you who you should marry?
Do they tell you where you should lives?
Do they tell you how you should dress?
Do they tell you when to wake up, go to work or sleep?

Any instructions from them is all about their assignment having to do with those under their care.
This is the endtime without the beards it's easy to spot JWs even without our bags in any country in the world and our sisters in the field ministry.
So each guidelines has to do with our safety and how to keep on going with the work Jesus assigned to all his disciples.
That's why you can't find any other group that's meeting up with the preaching and teaching program articulately like JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

WhatsDifficult:
But here's the reason 4 asking
Ur explanation says God doesn't test people.
Multiple verses in the Bible also say that God tests people.
So how do you choose which one to believe?

The highlighted is what you misconstrued!

It's not my explanation but what a Born Again Christian said:

When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried, nor does he himself try anyone. James 1:13

Genesis to Malachi is the Hebrew-Aramaic Scriptures written by inspired Israelite prophets who only pen down what they heard or saw but from Matthew to Revelations was written by BORN AGAIN Christians who has been taught by God's only begotten Son to distinguish between right and wrong.

So whatever you find in the Bible that's not in harmony with what the BORN AGAIN Christians say know that the correction in our understanding has been made.

That's why you can't find a single verse in the New Testament where it's written that God tested anyone with evil things!