₦airaland Forum

UnchangeableGod:
It is very clear that the ruling party is so much jittery over the emergence of Alhaji Atiku Abubakar as the PDP presidential candidate for the 2019 presidential elections. This can be attested to via their reactions so far. From observation, the new strategy is to label Atiku an IPOB or Igbo candidate so that he can lose appeal from the rest of Nigerians. It is just like a man who desires to change his children's school because the current one is obviously not giving them the best. Having found an alternative which he deems a better school, he decides to take the children there. Then he overhears another parent who he is not in good terms with praising the new school and just because of that decides not to send his own child there just to spite his 'enemy'. What kind of parent is that? Every Nigerian -
Fulani, Hausa, Igbo, Yoruba, Tiv, Ijaw, Kanuri, Urhobo, Efik, Igala, Idoma, Ebira, Nupe etc stands to get a fairer and better deal should a more competent and visionary leader take over the affairs of the government. Enough of deceit. Enough of false promises. Enough of excuses. Enough of blame game. Enough of propaganda. Enough of 'holier than thou' without any benefits to the people. Let there be a positive change. By His grace, it shall be done.

Deep down, the heart of Nigerian politics is ethnocentric. It is only on the surface, on the skinlayer that we practice democracy. Atiku himself demonstrated that against Jonathan twice.

In 2011 Jonathan won PDP primary, Atiku was annoyed, he left and supported a co-fulani from North, Ribadu (ACN) against Jonathan. When Ribadu failled Atiku returned in 2013 to PDP to prepare to be PDP candidate in 2015. Jonathan was returned unopposed. This upset Atiku and he rushed kabakaba to APC in hope they will give him flag....but he lost to Buhari. He supported another co-fulani, Buhari, in 2015 to remove Jonathan and PDP. 2018 APC have no flag to give Atiku so he ran again kobokobo back to PDP. He has busied himself running back and forth and focused too strongly on becoming President that he had never prepared himself to share power with other ethnicity because in his spirit its fulani or nobody. Thats what got him in trouble when he tried OBJ with that shyyte. He knows he cannot play superiority game with Yoruba because we really dont need the center....we hsve APCfied our region. So who else can he use to shore up ego and popularity? Its Ibo! There is no desperation in Yoruba. Atiku must find a group hungry and desperate like himself to get his momentum off ground and moving. He must attach to Ibo or else he runs the risks of competing in 2023 with Osinbajo for APC flag, after another defection from PDP to APC.

Yareema22:
I have observed recently how some people(who are mostly from the SE) keep creating threads with half-baked analysis on how Buhari will lose the forth coming elections especially in the North.Some even went as far as saying Buhari will lose in states like Kano,Katsina and Bauchi(these are states he's never lost an election since 2003)without backing their silly arguments with any fact.Everybody is entitled to his opinion and or belief.However,when it comes to matters like this,it is expected that one will be objective and keep sentiments aside...how can someone sitting in his fathers compound in Enugu or Abakaliki and has never set his feet outside his immidiate sorroundings confidently claim that Buhari will lose an Election in a core Northern state? Some of the reasons for their baseless claims are:
1.That the election is going to be between Atiku and Buhari.That both candidates are Fulani,Muslims and both come from the North.
If theres any one who's conversant with the politics of the North will know that an average Northener considers Atiku as a corrupt individual who is only interested in the presidency to further enrich himself and not for the interest of his people...Atiku may be popular among the elites but to the "Talakawas"he's the personification of corruption and is never an option
2.That Atiku has achieved alot during his stint as the VP.
Well,i dont even know where to start from...in terms of infrastructure,Atiku has not done anything whatsoever especially in the NE geopolitical zone where he comes from...If you have ever plied the road linking Gombe to Adamawa you will will know what iam saying.Atiku was not the president.Agreed.But he was a VP for eight years wihout nothing to show for it.He should have used his position to attract federal projects/presence to his zone or atleast to his home state but neither witnessed any meaningful projects.
3.That Atiku has created 50,000 jobs.
This is a lie from the pit of hell...people will just wake up and concoct figures without telling you where they got their data or stats from...the total number of work force in all of Atikus privately owned businesses(AUN, Faro,radio/tv Gotel,Rico Gado,etc) is not up to that figure flying around on social media...and lest i forget,most of these businesses are run on government resources
4.That Atiku has a strong war-chest.
There's no denying that Atiku is rich but you can only use that to campaign in the SS/SE region...despite Atiku Dollerizing the APC's presidential primaries in 2015 he came a distant third,behind even Kwankwaso who came second...Atiku's dollers have never won him any election in the North,and 2019 is not going to be an exception.
To set the records clear,from 2003-2015,Buhari has always won in virtually all the core Northern states with the exception of Adamawa and Taraba(wich has always been a PDP State) with very wide margings and the reason why he failed to win the presidential elections in previous contests wasbecause he was not massively voted for in other regions and not because the North did not vote for him
On a final note,those shouting that Atiku will floor Buhari in the North(especially the NE and NW)should save their MB and energy and use it to campaign for Atiku in other regions because here in the North,the deal to keep Buhari in Aso rock untill 2023 is alredy agreed and wraped up and will be made official come Feb2019 when he will officially sign his contract extention that will keep him in Aso rock for another four years.

Endorsed!

jcflex:
Thank you brother.

they support GEJ during 2015 election, what comes out of it.

even within SW, they have no relevance, why shld smone now loose sleep, because Afenifere want to adopt Atiku.

If Aare made that statement I would know to be concerned....but coming from Afenifere, mmmtcccheew...

nnachukz:
Even South West votes will as well become useless anytime SE and North votes go the same direction. So there is nothing special about South West or any part of Nigeria once its votes stand alone. All this SW this or that should stop, let's hear word.

We are immuned from your nonsense. We APCified our region.

Babaramo tun gbe titun de oooo!

Ipob no get joy at all. Ibo has no shame, whether ipob or not.

Ekitimadman:
Since Atiku emerged has PDP candidate, argument has been about who will be is VP.

Truly, SE deserves the post.. But I won't sacrifice my daily meal to you because you are hungry. You have to beg for it.

SE need to understand that Politically, SW region is more important than SE when talking about election in Nigeria.

Please am not here to argue. The votes are there. Details are there.

APC has a Combo of Hausa/Yoruba.

What do you expect if PDP present Hausa/Igbo.

That is total failure for PDP before election. 2015 results will never be the same. SW will vote same way SE votes in 2015 if Atiku present SE vice president.

Can you imagine Buhari having over 1 million lead in Lagos and over 200,000 lead in small Ekiti. That will be total disaster.
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For SE to become relevant in Nigeria politics, they need to trace back their step and apologize to their brother SW.

I want you to remember that SE votes will always be useless as long as North and South West vote goes the same way.
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No reasonable politician will leave a region with 14 million registered voters for a region with 7 million registered voters..

And also, if power comes to SW in 2023, to have Igbo presidency, that will be 2039. 8 SW + 8 North.

IGBO WILL ALWAYS BE IN TRAP OF NORTH AND SOUTH WEST

Doesnt Yoruba deserve the post?
You drank that koolaid ehhn....the one about "SE deserve the post"?

Those in the delegation included Senator Femi Okunrounmu, Professor Banji Akintoye, Ambassador Tokunbo Dosunmu-Awolowo, Amos Akingba, Prince Olagunsoye Oyinlola, Mrs Modupe Adelaja and Oladipupo Olaitan, Pa Adebanjo, Yinka Odumakin.

Arent these people that shook hands across Niger?

Their adoption of Atiku is not conditional on meeting with Obasanjo. Afenifere has two camps, those who support the rulingg party and those who support opposition. The opposition is Yinka. They have always sided with pdp, as opposition camp thats their call. So why the razzmatazz about supporting Atiku after meeting Obasanjo. Before nko, who will the opposition camp support?

Did Saraki truly said this? Nooo, na lie! Maestros of politics dont talk like this. He failed my hand here

SS/SE offering Atiku free pussy.
Hahahahahahahaha....

Has Asari seen this?

That na Senegal girl

The energy of biafra is now behind Atiku's campaign.

Mohammed insisted that such move will only prevent the South East from producing Nigeria’s president because, “democracy is a game of numbers,” adding that nobody can tell “people to vote for you because you are being irresponsible.”

Speaking with The Sun, Mohammed maintained that Igbos caused the Civil war that claimed the lives of over one million people.

Mohammed wondered why the same people who caused the Civil war will now turn around to demand for Presidency.

He said, “The Igbo are clamouring for an additional state, one of the reasons they are now talking about Biafra, even though the real reason is that they want to blackmail the North, to concede presidency to them.

“By this means, they will never get any hope for presidency because democracy is a game of numbers. You cannot tell people to vote for you because you are being irresponsible.



http://dailypost.ng/2017/10/10/igbo-man-can-never-nigerias-president-junaid-mohammed/amp/

godfatherx:
I'm 100% Yoruba and I think Fayose is a bad choice, Atiku doesn't need a popular name for running mate, his clout is enough, I will suggest he goes for a flawless technocrat who has never held elective office.
All known politician fraternizing with him at the moment, are with too much baggage, which might weigh both of them down.

Outside of iboland what clout does Atiku possess anywhere else? He cant even engineer a win for his candidate in Adamawa, his state.

Atiku does not understand politics, he will need a strong politician and bridge builder. He doesnt understand international relations, he will need a strong diplomat. The man has zero clue about economy and markets, he will need a strong and proven market leader to guide him. He lacks idea on what to do to secure NE, he will need strong security specialists and intelligence professional.

He will need help with his domestic affairs as well. Which of his four wives will be first lady? This yeye man is behind and need to hurry up and get himself ready. Not that he will win but he can at least understand and appreciate the struggle of political risks first hand.

sarrki:
He’s not Igbo
But her husband is the lord and savior of Ipobs miscreants

Ibos betrayed Saraki. There was a picture they circulated of Saraki and Obi in strategic meeting and hinted that Saraki has picked Obi as VP. This was few hrs before votes. So after votes we heard Ibos voted for Atiku. What about Saraki and Obi?

Bloody betrayers!

sweerychick:
Idiebube is she Igbo? Seriously interesting

Her middle name is Ifeoma. Her parents, Ikemefuna and Ebele, were in Lagos when she was born. They named her Oluwatoyin, shortened to Toyin. Her full name is Christina Ifeoma Toyin Chukwuemeka. From Isiala Ngwa autonomous community.

sarrki:
Ngozi that ruined our economy
It will never be well with Pdp

Ngozi will not even dare step foot here anyway even if selected. Buhari dey wait for am.

Atiku is a businessman and Im sure he knows how to calculate and diminish risks without being told. But thats in business. This is politics and the man is a political failure and will need help to navigate along. Someone need to shout to him that Ndibo is a political risk. Omo ibo support will bring loss. No Ibo VP. A word is enough for the wise.

Ibo has been trying to end osu caste since 430BC. They are lying about ending it, they love it.

Nyu424:
So it's b.s. there's an unplanned pregnancy and I'm keeping it or b.s. that I'm mentioning it on the site. If insight can be given on a sad situation such as this one what's the issue? You mention nothing of his wrongdoing since he is actually Ibo and knows what his culture would think of it actions, but didn't have enough respect to be careful. By the way, he's told me once before that he had an abortion in his prior relationship, but only revealed that information after we had conceived. Maybe your bro should wrap up because my legs stayed closed before this snake entered my life.

Mid-20s, pregnant...here are your needs in order of priority

1 - medical care for prenatal checks
2 - good and reliable income for food and nutrition
3 - a job with medicat, dental and maternity benefits
4 - family support (this is where Ibo culture comes in)

So the family here in Nairaland should not be your first stop. Before coming here you need local support amongst his Ibo circle of family or friends. There are Ibo communities in your area, find them on internet and then make a contact to go visit and get support for you and your baby. Get some sense and tidy up.

0balufonlll:
Good question.
I posited that emboldened because my brother Obalufon who believes in your school of thought claimed Ife is older than Egypt. How can Ife be older than the oldest known civilization then turn around to be Arab or Jew?

ObalufonIII,
You should wear this moniker with grace and pride and character. Sometimes I think I can tell what you ate from your writing. If you ate eba right before coming in you write rascally. If you ate amala with good ewedu or gbegiri, you are calm and very noble in thoughts. Here is my recommendation to you....do not eat eba before you come in here to type response. Please!

You cannot respect the ancient history of Egypt without acknowledging the teachings in the Old Testament in Bible. Much of what is contained in written archives, the cultic, artistic and ritualistic traditions of ancient Egypt came through the Biblical narratives, then followed by archeological inspections. There are still narratives of Egypt that archeology has not been able to unravel or understand....yet the myths and accounts told in the Bible and those archived secrets continue to be held in authority. Is this true or false?

Egypt in myth is as good as Egypt in historical timelines. Correct?


Ife in myth should not loose its authenticity because some late-age researchers are unable to match history and timelines to the narratives of old. Are you understanding me?

If Nineveh is a mythical IleIfe, then it stands that Egypt might be a contemporary of ancient mythical Ife.

According to Bible, Eden is the beginning and movements shifted Eastward. Correct?
Imagine Ife as the beginning....and movements shifted Eastward. Wherever that East is is not of importance at moment....just consider it a placeholder.

Then Oduduwa migrated from East to Ife. Right?

Could Oduduwa be a scion of those who left Eden (Ife) Eastward....and then returned back to mothership Ife?


More to come later...Im tied up at moment but got fired up with this your response to me and couldnt wait for the heat to cool off.
.....and talk like an Obalufon when you address people in here. Eat amala right before to help your mood.

Nyu424:
Yes, based on Igbo culture is he obligated to the child even though I'm not an Igbo woman (from my knowledge). He hasn't been part of the pregnancy so far and refuses to speak to me period. Does Igbo culture condone that behavior towards me? Is his behavior normal?

Nyu424:
Not to my knowledge. He doesn't want me contacting him unless it's about an abortion. I believe he expects to marry an Igbo woman in the future to please his family, which I understand now.

Lady, get the F out of here! I am not a fan of Ibo culture but I wouldn't stand for the kind of nonsense you are spewing. You are crazy, in your mid-twenty and an American to get pregnant for a man and he rejects the pregnancy, then you come to internet for consultation. Tidy your pussy up and face front, you and your unborn child. This is Nigeria, dont bring that nonsense here. Id1ot!

absoluteSuccess:
Thanks too to you sir, I appreciate what we are doing, may the good God reward our days with ire gbogbo, laipe laijina.

Its time one goes to work.

see you tomorrow morning again.

Bro Olu, mori yin o, eku ojumo o, ajuwa se lagbara Olohun Alaurabi Oba Waidun o.

Yes sir!

0balufonlll:
1. When did the Ijebu-Sudan claim begin & what did the Ijebu people/kings say before that Ijebu-Sudan time? Look at Ijebu kings & warriors told the British during Yoruba internecine wars. See Samuel Johnson or go to National Archives, Ibadan. They told the colonialists they came from Ile-Ife & they fought the wars on Ife’s side to ensure Ile-Ife is restored. Why didn’t the Ijebu king & warriors of that period which was 19th century tell the British they came from Sudan?

I will share a journal article with you. It was published in 1956. While the author did refer to Waddai/Sudan, everything he said pointed towards Ile-Ife. The paper is treated somewhat as a ‘primary source’. The paper is treated somewhat as a ‘primary source’. Here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/elsdi8dqh8zcfvk/THE%20EARLY%20HISTORY%20OF%20IJEBU.pdf?dl=0

2. The problem with the second emboldened statement is that you are confusing religious myth wit actual event. Let us look at your statement which I emboldened - Ife is the center of creation means you are refering to Ife Oodaye which involved inebriate Obatala & Oduduwa landind on earth with a chain. This is purely religious. Actual Ife history says that there were people occupying villages before Oduduwa scattered everything. In fact, the Owa Ijesa & Ekiti kings met people in the several settlements where they became king. This means human creation did not start in this Ile-Ife or anyone at that. Even science speaks of emergence of several humans at different points of history.

3. What books? Are these books certified by communities of professionals or just a group of people with wild imaginative compositions?

4. Arab culture is a literate one. If there were any evet of the migration of the magnitude ofthe Yoruba, they would know. And as you have rightly said, Ife is older than the Egypt which is the oldest civilization. Now if Ife is older than Egypt then why should Ife come out of a much younger civilization of Arab or Hebrew?

5. As for Olu, see, I have encountered him on several threads. That man is an olodo, he knows nothing. I have pointed out & corrected several of is fradulent misinformations. There was a time that theif claimed because his Oriki included ‘Alaga Ogun’ then Lajoodogun’s real name was ‘Lagadogun’ and that he was a descendant of Lajoodogun. On another thread, he claimed rams & sheeps represented Oodua & Obatala - I had to call him out for that too. Several instances of that man’s fraud abound, o yapa gan. His style is to bend a fact to suit his preconceived idea then when a person who knows the actual deal calls him out he will 1. Evade the post all together. 2. Shift goal post to another idea 3. Rabble rouse and try to deflect the entire problem to another person. Tell him not to sit in the corner of his room, invite him to Ife & show him things about Obalufon to start with and that way he can begin to develop mentally & stop relying on his imaginations of what he knows nothing about. The fraud is a write off, abeg.

Arab is a literate culture and had no reference of Yoruba migration. However you believe Ife is older than Egypt when there is nothing amongst the literate cultures of old to reference this assertion. How can we reconcile these two sides on literature and history? Which ancient writing culture wrote about Ife or about its age?

absoluteSuccess:
Much respect sir, mayor

You have the words of a visionary leader who believes in the ability of his people, may you live to fulfill your good dreams in the land of your fathers and their fathers before them. Happy independent bro.

Wa sa role baba re o,
wa saa role baba re ye,
Kori je o pe l'aye.

Ase Edumare!

Thank you my brother...Blessings of the ancestors be with you always.

0balufonlll:
LMAO, trips & noise as usual with no substance whatsoever.

If you were smart & really knew the practice of Ifa without relying on the pages of internet like your appedage Olu, you would have known that eko’fa is a continuum & the inability of one person to know, remember or identify all te verses of Ifa is the reason why Araba of each town has chiefs; reason why numerous Babalawos are present at Itefa; & the reason why numerous Babalawos are present at idafa odun. It is so that they can refresh each orher’s memories & add to the collection of ese ifa available to each person. By the way, who starts chanting Ifa without starting with the Oluwo of the ese Ifa? ‘Mr. I was bathed in agbo’.

Not to waste my own time, what you want to do is to investigate Yoruba history with total disregard for the rules & works laid down by the fore-bearers in te study Yoruba history. It seems like distortion to me but well, I can not stop you from proceeding with your fantasy but I won’t hesitate to jump in if distortions about my hometown or things with obvious proof are attempted by you.

P.S: I, like a lot of my peers, spend months producing & publishing my own details of history on pages of peer reviewed journals not on the pages of Nairaland.

Even those forebearers went against tradition before them to create a new thinking. Their own theories are not immune from new rules, understanding and creative inputs. By the way what do you call distortions? Proposing strong and convincing theories on Yoruba migration is a distortion? You must not be serious.

Hey Obalufon,
On that monkey story, there is another myth about "amuludun" and I believe an Odu Ifa made mention of it.

OlaoChi:
while thousands of students annually are learning Yoruba history and how Yoruba is a native African civilization
It is one unemployed guy who didn't pass jamb that wants to tell professors of history and anthropology that they are wrong

If this things you post here are what you have in the book, even your dunce friends here won't buy it

Omo ibo, what did you get your degree in, what was your major? Your case is worse than shallow, you are empty! Have you heard the word "adire" before? Do you not think the "addereth" of the Hebrews and the "adire" of the Yorubas is same, particularly in the context of that screenshot article ? Allright, where did you go to school? It can't be anywhere in Yorubaland. Jeezus!!!

That 60yr old wanted to be stripped by the 19yr old. If this was the other way around with a 19yr old girl stripping a 60yr old man, will she be jailed? Grandma want to be whipped with that thang! Let her enjoy herself and mind your business.