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macof: Hmm. You seem to know all the truths and lies, but how can you be sure that there's no afterlife or reincarnation??

Even the most famous of your masters(past scientists) never made such statements

If you present objective evidence for an afterlife or reincarnation then i'll believe and accept it. . .till then it remains one of the many fantasies that humans created. . .

alexleo: No friend. You ve not died before so you can't say for sure. Discoveries and science have not ended so you can't conclude yet.

My friend, I do not need to die to know that the after life is just a man made idea. . .Look around you there are different versions of the afterlife. . does the fact that science is unable to know if reincarnation is real make it true?. . .Reincarnation just like life after death is a human construct. . .people sat down and came up with all these ideas based on their imaginations. fantasies, and many other factors. . .The fear that death ends it all is something so depressing that we as humans invented reincarnation and life after death in heavenly bliss just to placate our deepest fears or to scare people into believing in what we what them to believe. . .

MrAnony1: Lol, this would have made sense if you could use logic properly but hey never mind, I can't wait to see what you came up with



How exactly does this tell us whether or not a pre-life necessitates an afterlife? Your very first reply already goes off point.

I personally do not follow that line of thought that having a before life is necessary to have an after life, i just stated the fact that the afterlife is a man made construct and idea, that is why there are different versions of the afterlife based on the thoughts, fantasies and ideas of those that created the afterlife concept. . .

If in the end we still die and rot anyway and are erased from any conscious existence, regardless of whether we strive for peace or for war then what is the point of upholding one and denouncing the other?

Because it will make our stay here or earth worthwhile. . .This life is the only one we know of, we don't know of any other one, we can only conceive or have ideas of another one, since this is the only one we know and have experienced then its up to us to make living a worth while experience. . .The idea of an afterlife doesn't help us here at all. . .If we strife for peace we all enjoy and blissful life, if we don't we all suffer, pains and agony. . .That is enough reason for us to pursue peace and see to it that we live moral lives. . .The society flourishes when there is peace and when every one lives moral lives. . .

You would have noticed that I didn't bother with the rest of your post as it has nothing to do with whether a belief in an afterlife is consistent with a belief in objective moral duties.

You are all over the place. . You didn't bother with the rest of my post because it destroys everything you claim to stand for. . .You claim that people need to live moral lives because of an afterlife without which they have no reason to live morally. . .The points I raised have completely destroyed all what you wrote because according to the world view you hold belief and how you act according to the belief is what matters not whether you lived a morally upright life. . .Under your belief, a muslim has no reason to live morally because according to you god he is already condemned not for believing in his son. . .A hindu has no reason to live morally because his status as a hindu has already condemned him to eternal damnation. . .According to your world view about 70 percent of the people living in the world have already been condemed to eternal damnation, not because they are immoral people but because they hold other beliefs. . .Under your world view moral uprightness is a waste of time, after all according to your god, peoples righteousness are like filthy rags in his eyes, what matters is faith in him and how you act according to the faith you have in hi,. . .You don't have faith in him, you are condemned already. . .Under your world view those that do not share your beliefs have no reason to live moral upright lives because they are already condemned and doomed in the afterlife. . .

If you want to discuss with me, you'll need to stay on point my friend.

I am staying very much on point. . .I just don't have time for philosophical sophism. . .

The afterlife is just a human idea and creation that is why there are many different versions of it. . . Some have moved from the after life to reincarnation. . All human ideas and conceptions. . . This is the only life we have and we know. . .any other thing is a lie and pure fantasy and fiction. . .

Image123: i told you when, AFTER the rapture.

Are you making things up?. . .I thought Jesus in the bible said that what ever you ask in his name he will do it as long as you truly believe?. . .He even promised you guys the ability to do more wonders that what was written about him. . .No where does it say that healing will take place after any rapture. .

Image123: After the rapture.

LOL!. . .I said when will your god heal all the children living in this world with down syndrome, i don't need your opinion about some fictitious rapture. . .Just need to know why your god can not do anything about down syndrome. . .

Image123: Jesus works miracles today and it is not out of place for scoffers to pout "physician, heal yourself". They did it to Jesus too. It's no surprise, the surprise is professing christians coming out to mock and scorn and gloat over other people's seeming misfortune. It is God that heals ultimately, not men. The fact however remains that God uses men to heal others.

When will your god heal all the children in the world suffering from down syndrome?. . .

The islamic idea of heaven is nothing but the fantasies and crazy ideas of perverted men. . .So sex is all what these deluded goons believe they will spend their time in the afterlife doing. . .I laugh in Arabic. . .Fooooooooooooooools!

4). Expanding upon the above....

a. If there is no afterlife, then there are no consequences for the sort of life you choose to live i.e. whether you spend your life taking pleasure in smashing the skulls of innocent babies or whether you spend your life taking pleasure in caring for the helpless little ones, in the end you will just die and rot forget everything and eventually be forgotten. There is no way we can objectively say that one pleasure is better than the other. Therefore there is no reason why one needs to act morally.

b. If on the other hand, there is an afterlife and our present life determines it's outcome, then there is an objective way in which we ought to live this present life and hence there is a reason to act morally.

The responsibility to get things right here and now matters a lot since this is the only life we have and we KNOW. . .There is always a consequence for what ever life you chose to live here. . .Pls go outside and start smashing the heads of babies outside and see if the consequence will not follow you there and then. . .The responsibility is ours to do all that we can to ensure that justice is done here and now. If we don't do it, no one else will do it for us. . . .There are so many ways we can say actions are good or bad regardless of any cosmic or eternal justice. . .In the world view you hold, it doesn't really matter how you live your life, the most moral atheist in your world view will go to hell, just for being an atheist, the most moral muslim will go to hell just for being a muslim. . .the most moral hindu will go to hell just for being a hindu. . .jesus is the only way to life according to the world view you hold. . .Living a moral life has nothing to do with how you spend your life in the other world, what you believe in is what matters. . .It is your world view that actually has nothing to do with moral uprightness. . .belief and how you act according to the belief is what matters. . .

5). Now I must point out that the above does not prove that there is or isn't an afterlife however it shows that the absence of an afterlife is not consistent with the presence of moral values. So if you believe that there are moral duties that we ought to adhere to, then an afterlife would be consistent with such a belief.

The moral duties we perform here and now affects us all as human beings, that alone is enough reason for us to act morally. . .Because or moral actions or in actions affects us either positively or negatively. . .An afterlife based on the type of belief you subscribe to does not in any way sound reasonable or just and has nothing to do with the moral values we hold or share here in this life. . .

If on the other hand you don't believe in an afterlife, then I struggle to see how you can make a case for why we ought to live morally especially if we can derive pleasure from doing evil deeds. (If you think the two are rationally compatible then you may need to explain to me how so)

Because living morally and doing good affects all positively. . A society with less crime will flourish better than a society with more crime, people will live longer, there will be greater degree of cohesion and unity, happiness level and general satisfaction will increase and depression will be reduced etc. . .It's effect can be seen, take a society like japan , where the people live more moral lives than Nigeria, it's effect shows even in their lives, Japan has less crime and corruption than Nigeria, that alone has made the life expectancy of the Japaneses to be much more than that of the average Nigerian. . .The average life expectancy of the Nigerian is 48 while that of the Japaneses is about 80. . .Because of low crime, equal distribution of resources and wealth among the citizenry, a system of justice that works, organized way of life that sees to it that even the least among the citizens are protected and very low corruption at all levels the society has flourished much better than Nigeria where there is mass injustice, high crime at all levels, endemic and massive corruption at all levels, unequal distribution of wealth, no proper justice system, the least among the citizens are not protected at all but constantly abused etc. . .There is more than enough reason to act morally in this life because it makes our societies to flourish. . .by the way most Nigerians are theist and believe in the after life, most Japanese are atheist and do not. . .But it doesn't matter, what matters is the here and now since this is the ONLY life we have and we know. . .

MrAnony1 is here again with his convoluted logic. .LOL. . .OK let's see. . .

MrAnony1: You seem to lean towards the believe that it is more likely the case that there is no such thing as an afterlife because you are not conscious of any events that happened before you were born (let's refer to this as a "pre-life" ).

1. I hope you do realize that it doesn't follow that if you don't have a pre-life, you won't have an afterlife. (If you don't realize this, please take some time to explain to me why you think it follows).

The after life is simply a man made invention that is why there are different ideas and versions of the after life. . .Each according to the ideas and fantasies of the men that created it. . . .

2. Now that said, your question leaves us with two possibilities:

a. An afterlife exists
b. An afterlife does not exist.

3. I will argue that:

a) If an afterlife does not exist then man really has no actual moral obligations i.e It is not reasonable to act morally

b) If an afterlife exists and it's outcome depends on the way the present life is lived, then there are actual moral obligations and hence it is reasonable to act morally.

It is very reasonable to act morally because it makes you live in peace and tranquility with those around you. . .Living morally and abiding by societal moral laws makes the society orderly, organized, less chaotic and sees to it that we all flourish. . .The problem with the after life which you are espousing, is that it does not even depend on how morally upright a person lives, it all depends of what a person believes in. . .According to the world view you hold only you and those that accepted the stories written by some ancient Jews, Romans and Greeks will be saved after they die because they happen to believe in the right revelation, all those that do not subscribe to that belief and hold unto some other form of belief will be condemned. . .How they live their lives DOES NOT matter. ..The bible is very clear on that, it sys Jesus was sent to the world and those that do not believe in him and condemned already. . .It says Jesus is the way the truth and the life, no one can get to see god unless through him. . .Without Jesus it doesn't matter how moral you live your life, a good , upright muslim, hindu, taoist, Jianist, atheist, Buddist etc is already condemned for not believing in the biblical stories. . .In the world view you hold, living a moral life has nothing to do with what happens to you in the after life, belief is what matters. . .The same thing applies to Islam, it doesn't matter how good or morally upright you are, as long as you are not a muslim, you are already condemned to hell. . .What kind of moral justice is this? . . .Isn't it sickening that people will be judged not based on how well they live their lives but on the type of belief they hold and how they lived according to those beliefs?. . .Acting morally is completely unreasonable under the world view you hold because it doesn't matter, belief is what matters under your world view. . .

These words sum up everything about what is going on with we gullible Africans. . .

"Faith healing is the greatest threat to scientific medicine and health-care delivery in Africa. Miracles have no basis in science, reason, or common sense. All claims of divine cures and healing cannot be reconciled with the dire health situation in Africa. Africa has the highest infant-mortality rate in the world. And millions there are still dying of preventable diseases like malaria and tuberculosis. According to the United Nations, 6,000 African children die from-and 11,000 become infected with-HIV/AIDS every day. And if there are indeed people with supernatural powers to heal the sick, raise the dead, and cure all ailments, why are human beings suffering and dying? It is quite obvious that all claims of miracles and faith healing are fake. As the French philosopher and writer Ernest Renan rightly pointed out, “No miracle has ever taken place under conditions which science can accept.”

Experience shows, without exception, that “miracles” occur only in the presence of persons who are disposed to believe in them. So, faith healers are just taking advantage of the African predicament. They are cashing in on the desperation and gullibility of Africans to enrich themselves and to promote their churches.

Africa needs science, not superstition; critical thinking, not dogma; open mindedness, not blind faith; reason, not revelation; and industry and technological advancement, not the Holy Spirit and miracles. Africa needs skepticism, not Pentecostalism."

RayMcBlue: The afterlife is a fairy tale invented by human imagination. And each person's fairy tale is different.

We imagine that we have "souls," fabricate the concept of "eternal life" and then fantasize a place called "heaven," complete with streets of gold, calorie-free foods, frolicking virgins and whatever else we can come up with. Christians imagine it so vividly and repeat the fantasy so often that they actually believe it to be reality.

How bizarre can the fantasies get? Fly to Cairo and take a look at the Great Pyramid . There is the pyramid itself - still one of the largest man-made objects on earth. In addition there is the whole mummification process, the disassembled boats, the sacred artwork and so on. All of
this was designed to help the pharaoh reach the afterlife.

We look at it now and we all know, with absolute certainty, that it was a complete and total waste of time. The Egyptian notion of the afterlife was a fantasy. The Christian notion of the afterlife is a fantasy in exactly the same way. Heaven is completely imaginary, just like hell... and just like God. Don't get it twisted.

There is more truth in this post than the ones written in the bible and the Koran combined. . .

Martian: Nigeria, the rest of Africa and any country with a black majority are forever lost. It pains me to say this, but it seems there is this need in most black people to reject the earth in favor of one otherworldly fantasy or the other. In nigeria, you have half of the population who believe that a jew will come "rapture" them to some utopia and the other half are busy doing "a$$ up, face down" towards the east because they think the creator of the freaking universe had some special relationship with the Arabs. Meanwhile, the rest of the developed world continues to discover, create, innovate and grow.
Ebola afflicts Africans but the cure has to come from either U.S or Europe. The smart scientists in Africa that could work towards the eradication of malaria and ebola don't live in a conducive environment that promotes and encourages knowledge. Instead, corruption and religion march hand in hand to keep them in darkness. Praise Jesus, Insha allah!!!!
The populace that should yearn for something more are too busy praying to and propitiating one abursd notion of god or the other.

The older folks are definitely lost, the current generation are wallowing in the same ignorance and I'm damn sure they are passing their myopia and imbecilic beliefs to the kids. A microcosm of the average Nigerian/ Black mind can be seen here on nairaland. Pervasive ignorance and self righteous myopia galore. There's a thread on the front page of this site about scientists finding a body of water within the earth. True to their ignorant form, most of the commenters are writing asinine stuff and trying to relate the discovery to their jewish fairy tale. None of them wonder how come the west continues to thrive while Africa and the black diaspora continues to wait for Utopia.
These people are supposed to be the relatively smart ones, with access to the internet and knowledge, but they sound like transplants from the middle ages.

If average nigerians were introdduced to the ideas of Joseph Smith and Adam Smith. It wouldn't be surprising if Joseph smith's ideas prevailed 90% of the time.

Things will remain the same and most black people will be forever regressive until a substantial amount of us realize that the earth is all that there is. There is no heaven, no hell, no gods, no spirits, no ghosts. You have one life to live and make the most out of, and if you can't create your own heaven on earth, you are just a waste of space.
Jesus is not coming to save your black asses, allah is nothing but the ignorance of some arabs and the local gods are just as useless as the foreign ones.

The key to "heaven" is a thriving economy that lifts up most of the people. A society where laws and property are respected is what heaven is.
Heaven is reliable utilities, good roads and infrastructure, great institutions and smart people that realize that heaven is the progressive society that they create themselves.........................................................................here on earth.

End of discussion. . .

Islam as it is does not support some things, in islam many things are just black or white it is either you side with islam or side with the non believers and become one of them. . That is where most of the problem begins. . .

finofaya: Anyway, we know nairaland has a designer because nairaland does not occur in nature. There.

The only other things that show evidence of design are man made objects, which are modeled after the universe in the sense that they are merely a manipulation and redirection of physical laws or natural forces. They cannot help but share similarities with the universe. I don't think they make a good basis of comparison with the universe. That, in effect, would be comparing the entire universe to a part of itself in an attempt to determine the nature of the universe.

Thank you brother, the universe is not a human society and I wonder why he expects the universe as a whole to operate as a human society. . .

MrAnony1: 1. How exactly does a name written on something prove that it was created? There is no name written on the Egyptian pyramids does it mean that they were uncreated? The name of the Greek goddess Athena is written on her temple at the acropolis in Athens, does this mean that she created it?

We are talking about things that we know. . . Not abstracts, when it comes to god everything is an abstract. . .We know that Seun created nairaland because people create websites, websites do not spring up on their own, when people create websites, they write their names or have their signatures on them,claiming ownership or patent, that is standard procedure, we know that human built the pyramids because they are drawings of people building the pyramids on walls then they were being built by the people that built them, writing are also available that document the pyramids being built by humans. . .We know that the greek goddess athena did not build the temple because the goddess never claimed she built the temple her self. . .

2. How exactly does people claiming to work for and interact with Seun prove that Seun created Nairaland. A lot of people claim to work for interact with Allah, does this mean that Allah created the universe?

Seun is a known figure, every body that really wants to know him can get to know him and interact with him both on and off nairaland. . .He comes to nairaland, interacts with people, makes announcements about changes that he will make to the website, if people have complains and suggestions they contact him and he acts accordingly. . .That can not be said of Allah. . No one has seen allah or has ever interected with him. . In fact no one can describe allah to you. . .Ask those who claim to interact with allah how exactly they do that and non of them will be able to give you a specific or reasonable answer. . .If youcgo about claiming that you own naraland and try to have people pay you money they way they are paying Seun and Seun gets to find out he will challenge on that, you will be sued and arrested depending on your location and other factors. Seun has his signature on nairaland, he has claimed he created nairaland and registered it as a business entity in his name, He has his documents to prove that, people have meet him and they also attested that he created nairaland. . These are 3 verifiable evidence to show to you that Seun created nairaland. . If you disagree the pls drop 3 verifiable evidence to support the notion that Seun did not create nairaland

It is now clear that you don't know what you are talking about. What did you think you were saying when you said that chaos follows physical laws? Or are you suggesting that something following a specific set of laws is not disorderly?

I should be the one asking you that. . .You claim that physical laws orderly, but that is not true, because the laws of nature do not all apply the same way in all parts of the universe. . .Which order then do they follow?. . .My point is the physical laws are both orderly and chaotic. . .It all depends on how you view it. . .If physical laws follow an order then they should apply equally in all parts of the universe since they follow an order, the fact that they do not means they do not follow any specific order. . .

How exactly does Seun explaining how Nairaland works prove that he or anyone created Nairaland. When your mechanic explains to you how your car works, does it prove that he created your car?

My mechanic has never claimed he created my car. . .Take a car manufacturing company like Honda, they have video recording of them making their cars from the scratch to educate people and let people know that they indeed created those cars. . .Do you have any video recording of god creating the universe?. . .What objective evidence do you have of god creating the universe that will erase all doubt?. . .Many people claim that the goddess Biloana created the universe, how can I know that the universe was not created by this goddess but by a god?. . .

If someone to claims ownership and writes his name on something is enough evidence for you to believe that he/she created the thing, then you must also believe that Allah created the universe because he tends to write his name with the clouds and sand every now and again.

Why the double standard?

Sure it is not enough evidence, but it is evidence. . .Allah has never written that "I am Allah and I created this universe" any where. . .Instead people see patterns are claim ohh this looks like Allah's name or people se patterns and claim ohh this must be the face of Jesus or Mary or palangun or any of their various gods. . .

As I said to you, the questions you are asking have nothing to do with the answers you are seeking. If you want us to have a fruitful discussion, you need to start asking valid questions

The questions I am asking have everything to do with what I am seeking. . .God is nothing but an assumption, you are yet to show to me that god is not an assumption. . .You don;t know how humans came about then god. . But you can not use god to explain anything about humans. . .You just want to claim that ohh, god created the human eyes, but you god to explain why images are created at the back of the retina of the human eyes you won't be able to do that. . You just want to tell us that god created and that is all(a very wild assumption), you can not use god to explain the mechanism to which the things you claim he created operate. . .

MrAnony1: Lol really? Please provide some of these "many evidence"

By the way, having a handle here and the ability to be contacted directly does not prove that you or me or Seun or anyone else created nairaland. Try again.

Firstly, it is clearly stated on the website that it is being owned by him. People work for him and have interacted with him, all have attested to him being the owner and creator of nairaland. . .

Lol, so you believe that chaos can be subject to order. I see

Chaos subject to order?. .. where did i say that?. . .i said both the order and the chaos all follow physical laws. . .By the way the physical always do not all apply in all parts of the universe. . .

And how do you know that Seun did not ask someone else to explain to him before he explained to you. For all I know, you might even be the creator of Nairaland since you are the one explaining Nairaland to me.

The point here is that having knowledge of how/why something works does not necessarily prove that you created it, it only proves that you know. Therefore this is an invalid point.

P/s: I also didn't fail to notice that you already assumed that it was Seun who is the creator and therefore the one you need to ask questions before even proceeding to find out anything, why didn't you ask logicboy or frosbel or any of the 1 million+ people on Nairaland?

it means a lot, if i don't know how something functions here, i can contact Seun and he can explain it to me. . .You can't do that with god. . .You can't contact god and have him explain anything to you. . .

It is so funny that you can't see that you are already assuming that Seun is the answer to the question before even trying to reason so as to find out if Nairaland has a creator or not. This is the fallacy known as petito principe a.k.a. begging the question.

Seun has already claimed he is the owner of nairaland and his signature is found all over the website, he wants people to know he owns the website and has provided some evidence in form of his signature and copyright. . . that is enough evidence for me. . .God has provided no evidence at all to show that he created the universe, god's signature or name is not written in any part of the universe. . .

I think I have said enough by now for you to recognize that the questions you are asking have nothing to do with the answers you are seeking.

Nope, you haven't. . .The questions remains valid, claiming god means nothing. . You should also be able to use god to explain how things function. ..saying god created alone is nothing but an assumption and a default position for i don't know. . .

MrAnony1: So basically it is true because Seun claimed it is true. I see

If you can't see your double standard by now, then I really can't help you

There is no double standard there. . .Seun made a claim and he has evidence to back up his claim. . .In fact he already had a handle here and can be contacted directly. Every body here knows that nairaland was created and is owned by Seun because of the many evidence that he has provided to support his claims.

I'll repeat myself: You subscribe to a naturalist worldview and you reject anything which you believe goes contrary to the laws of physics, if half of the universe is chaotic as you claim, then you must hold that half of it obeys physical laws while the other half defies physical laws hence you would be contradicting your worldview by accepting some things that do not obey physical laws.

Unless you want to argue that the chaos in the universe works according to physical laws. Then I must ask you to explain exactly how it is chaotic if it functions according to the order dictated by physical laws?

Chaos is also part of the physical laws. . .Explosions are chaotic(of which there are countless amounts of them going on in the universe) but they are also obey the physical laws that govern the universe. . . .Both the orderliness and chaos that happen in equal amounts in the universe all obey the physical laws. . .The laws governing the universe support orderliness and chaos. .

Except that you have not used Seun to explain anything. You have merely claimed that he said he did it. How exactly are you different from the person who claims that God said that He did it?

It is really funny to see how oblivious you are to the fact that you are employing a double standard.

If you want me to use Seun to explain to you where there is now a shared post button along side the mention button, like button or how images can be uploaded by copying their urls, Seun will be glad to explain all to me and i will explain it to you. .You on the other hand can never use god alone to explain to me why the DNA of some organisms mutate or why gaseous planets like Jupiter exist with 12 moons. . .

Gombs: https://i40.tinypic.com/mv3fbl.jpg
When would you quit hating?
Continue like this and Nora544's cse would look like kindergarten stunt compared to yours

Hating on what?. .A deluded liar and you his deluded supporters?. . .You guys are just crazy. . .

Joagbaje: I do work miracles as expected of a christian . I have at least 4 HIV cases healed . Blind cases . And a dead raised to life. I don't need any validation from anyone. It's only sad. That many folks here don't know christ nor his power. See how so called Christians are shaking at a common demonic desease. What does the name if Jesus mean to you? What does his death mean to you. Do you know him ? The gospel is not in words but it's in power.


1 Thessalonians 1:5
For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power,

1 Corinthians 2:4
And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:

This man is very dangerous. . . . . .This man stands confidently, trying to sell people pieces of land inside the Atlantic ocean. . .

Abdulsalam20: IT IS MENTIONED IN THE QURAN IN sura 3 (Al-i-Imran ), ayah 96 of the
Qur'an , where it is said to be the site of the first place of
worship.AND ALSO IN THE BIBLE AND AT LEAST I HAVE GIVEN U D EVIDENCE FROM THE LARGEST ENCYCLOPEDIA WEBSITE THAT BACA IS THE ANCIENT NAME OF MECCA

Its says Bakkah NOT Baca. . .Bakkah is NOT the same as Baca. . .

Because god is an idea that is imbibed in culture. . .When you reject god, you are rejecting a people's way of life and people feel bad when you reject their way of life and how they do things. . .Especially those that want you to join them. . .

Abdulsalam20: I KNOW U WILL SAY DAT VERSE IS REFERING TO JERUSALEM...........PLS WHERE IS BACA LOCATED

Where is BACA written in the Koran?. . .Baca is NOT bakka or mecca. .Stop telling lies. . .

Abdulsalam20: WHERE DID I LIE AND TELL ME WHY IT IS A LIE

Everything you wrote in the Op is a lie. . . .

Abdulsalam20: I SAID PROVE ME WRONG NOT ABUSE JUST EXPLAIN IT IF I AM LYING U DIDNT EXPLAIN U ARE JUST INSULTING ME PLS PROVE ME WRONG

I am not insulting you, i am just calling you what you are, a deluded fellow and some one that distorts things and tell lies. . .Your lies are there for all to see. . .

Abdulsalam20: PLEASE I NEED SOMEONE TO CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG

You are not only very wrong but also very deluded. . . .

RayMcBlue: With every other object and phenomenon in our experience, we use the scientific method to determine whether it exists or not. For example, X rays are invisible, but we know that they exist. We can devise scientific experiments to prove that they exist. Then, once proven to exist, X-rays can be used predictably in all sorts of beneficial ways.

If you would like to hypothesize that God exists, then you should say to yourself, "Let's devise a repeatable scientific experiment to provide evidence that God exists." Every experiment we devise demonstrates, yet again, that God is imaginary.

Isn't it odd that God, unlike everything else in our universe, has been put into a special category? When we talk about God, we are supposed to do so "philosophically."

Why?

Why not treat God just like all other objects and devise experiments to detect his presence or absence? The classic religious response is, "God must remain hidden. If he proved his existence, that would take away faith." This is clever. Here we have an object named God that proves its existence by completely hiding its existence. Of course, in the real world, any object that provides no evidence for its existence is classified as imaginary.

Even more interesting, this object called God, which is supposedly hiding its existence completely, is in the meantime supposedly writing books, answering prayers and incarnating itself. How can that be? This obvious contradiction shows how imaginary God is.

-When we look at prayer scientifically, we find that "answered prayers" are actually nothing but coincidences.
-When we look at the Bible scientifically, ethically or rationally, we find that the Bible is wrong.
-When we look at all of Jesus' miracles scientifically, we find that none of them left behind any scientific or historical evidence. Nor, for that matter, did Jesus, nor did Jesus' resurrection.

The reason why we can find no empirical evidence for God's existence is not because "God is a magical being completely able to hide from us." It is because God is imaginary.

This post is the best response so far for what alexleo has been trying to say about god. . .

Muslim scholars that have no name?. . .Only one name was mentioned there and the person's contribution to the scientific process was never mentioned. . .The islamic golden age is a ruse and is very much over rated. . .Muslims have contributed very little or nothing to modern science as we know it. . .Islam as it is is anti modern science that is why muslims will never prosper in that regard. . .

pesty100: if I may ask, apart from there is no god, what is th atheist proposition

Nothing more than disbelief in gods. . .

pesty100: The theologians belives the World was created by God... how did that God come to be?......... So atheist believe the world started with a big bang, how did what ever exploded to cause the big bang came to be? The question is a variant of who designed the designer

The big bang isn't an atheistic proposal, it is a scientific explanation. . . . .