FOLYKAZE:


The billionaire called Mazaje on this thread https://www.nairaland.com/1272376/what-views-supernatural-occurrences/16 agreed to show up for Bullet proof jazz. He mentioned on that thread that he had a gun, he has done something of that nature with someone and that person was hitted. He beat chest on how he will finance three people flight and accomodation. It is three years today and nothing has happend. He was just lying with his fingers.

In 2006, he feed on running up for those that need admission in europe. And he in 2009, he is running multi billion naira contract. He did a good job editing his posts exposing him. https://www.nairaland.com/30035/students-want-study-abroad-europe

Pls can you tell me the content of the post and when it was edited?. . .You are obviously foolish. Firstly, I made the post at that time because I wanted students to come over to Finland and school because universities were free for all students including international students and I made my post. I was actually a new bee so I posted all my personal details there. The post contained the school websites(my school then) and included my full names address in Finland,Phone number and how I could be contacted because I felt Nigerians needed the opportunity. Later I noticed that people who had no business with schooling but who just wanted to leave Nigeria were just calling me and disturbing my life, so I edited the post and removed all my contact details.I actually created two topics with that regards, here is the link to the other one. https://www.nairaland.com/44281/school-free-finland. (from the post you'll see that one of the guys thatresponded was actualy thanking me for the information I gave) Never asked any body for any money and never needed any. The rest of your rants are just laughable. We will meet in Nigeria and when we do, you'll see for yourself who mazaje is. . .

JackBizzle:

Very deadly!!
Some people will actually go for spiritual healing rather than see a doctor for their mental illness.

That's why our streets are filled with crazy people all around. . .they will see a hungry naked mad woman walking on the road and quickly conclude that she is a bird that turned into a human being. .instead of helping her out they will begin to beat her up and kill her all because they reason like Ishilove. . .

JackBizzle:



And it seriously pains me.

People like ishi will cause more and more people with illnesses not to go to doctors but to dishonest pastors and spiritual warriors.

See the way she is confidently talking about mythical and superstitious trash. . .ignorance is deadly.

Ishilove:

To your first question: I am asking you to search so that you will know where to focus your prayer on. It will be quite unfortunate if you are praying and you are not hitting the source of the problems. Its like trying to clear a stubborn weed; you keep trimming the edges but they grow back. They only stop growing when you uproot it completely. Hit at the root and the tree will scatter.

And you don't want to be in the list of ogbanje in your family? Permit me to laugh in chinese!

You still haven't realised the extent of what is troubling you. My guy wake up seriously and ask for spiritual wisdom.

To your last question: what do you mean by monastery? A monastery is where monks live and pray is solitude, and we have monks in different religions. There are monks in Buddhism, Christianity and Hare Krishna, but I assume its the christian monks you mean. I don't know of any monastery here in Nigeria. There might be, but I personally know of none.

Instead I know of mountains, not monastries.

That aside, you need complete spiritual overhauling. God is on the throne and His power is incomparable. In addition, learn to use the word of God when praying. Keep confessing your freedom through the sacrifice of the Jesus on cross, and believe it. Pray with it, speak it, fight with it!

You need a personal relationship with God. That's the first step. You don't have any relationship with God, and that needs to change. Read your bible more and your eyes will open.

The reason why Nigeria will not be able to make significant progress on anything is because majority of it's inhabitants reason like this. . Na wah ooo. .

honourhim:


And i said, believe in allah than the deceit you are living in. You are preaching Islam to me yet you dont believe in it. I am preaching Jesus to you and i believe in him. I understand your lack of confidence in your no-god deceit.

Now its belief?. . .I thought you said you know Jesus exist?. . .Seems you aren't sure of your position after all. ..

BraveGuy:


Are you trying to curse me or what?!
[size=15pt]Those who bless me will be blessed by God and anyone who curses me will be cursed by God....[/size] Think again and pick your choice.

I am telling you the truth. . .There is no god but allah and you will rot in his hell for not accepting his revelation written inside the Quran. . .

honourhim:


I wish you believe in the allah that you are talking about than the no-God deceit you are living in.

What ever. . Keep wasting time believing in a dead Jewish man, You will rot in hell for your unbelief in Allah and his last messenger. . .

BraveGuy:

@ mazaje....
[size=14pt]Are you oblivious to this thread by Seun?[/size]
https://www.nairaland.com/1947119/let-us-more-tolerant-each

Why do you seem to troll and provoke unnecessarily? We live in a FREE world where everyone is entitled to their beliefs and opinions; why do you seem to always want to impose your god on others?

If you find it too hard to abide by simple advice to tolerance, why don't pack your pen and start your own website where anyone who uses it must comply into following your god?

Be quite pls, can't you see him trying to condemn another person for his unbelief?. . .Nothing wrong in letting him know that he is wasting him time worshiping a false god. . .there is no god but Allah and Mohammed is his last messenger. . .You will rot in hell for your unbelief. . .

honourhim:


So true. God bless u my dear. They are just deceiving themselves.

You are the one actually deceiving your self by following the wrong god. . .there is no god but Allah and Mohamed is his last messenger. . .

FOLYKAZE:


Mr, what definition has anyone brought which is been denied by me? Can you pls point to one?

And I am not in any way forcing my definition on anybody. Simple google search will bring up same definition as mine. I know what atheism is. I understand you dont believe in christian god. . . . .but the question is how about other gods? Atheism is lack of believe in God. But does this include pantheistic God, spinoza god?

Putting a knife into that definition, we will have lot and lot to pack here.

1. Like we have there, atheism is lack of believe in the existence of deities or gods.

2. Atheism is constracted with theism.

3. Theism is belief in the existence of a god or gods. Theism does not depend upon how the term 'god' is defined. http://atheism.about.com/od/theismtheists/p/theism101.htm http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/religion/blrel_theism_what.htm

So in theism, God can still be define as person or country. Theism doesnot depend on definition but believe in God.

1 Nigeria is fit to be my deity meaning God because I serve, adore her. She influence me too.

2. I anthromorphise her.

3. Stepping into theism, I idolize her. Have her pictorial representaion on my wall.

4. I sing lot praises to her. Make lot of pledges to serve and be loyal to her.

5. I am not at the moment, some are dying for her.

6. She is too sacred for me.

7. You do too. So also other Nigerian atheists

Do you disbelieve God (Nigeria) exist?

You are just playing your usual semantics game as always. . .My shit and urine are god. . .Nothing there. . .after all god to you as you said on the other thread is just a label. . .anything is god going by that. . .

FOLYKAZE:


Is the God you disbelieve a name or label which refer to a special entity?

I asked because you once said god is just a label. . .

Nature has always been a deity or god to pantheist.

And what role does nature play as a deity?. . .What attributes does nature posses to make it a deity?. . .Why is nature a deity?. . .

If I talk about Mother Earth, I am reffering to Nature.

Do you disbelieve in the existence of the goddess mother earth?

Nature encompasses the universe not just the earth?. . .The earth is the earth(a planet in the solar system). How is it a goddess?. . .What makes it a goddess?. . .Define what a goddess is and explain to me how the earth is not a planet but a goddess. . .

FOLYKAZE:


Nature is God to the pantheist.

God as in a deity or just a label?. . .

Using she, mother and humn attributes on nature is personification,

OK. . .

been worshipped as Goddess in many polytheistic spirituality and religion explain how it is a polytheistic goddess

Then it becomes a deity and no longer the nature that we know. . .As a goddess it will have attributes and roles. . .

FOLYKAZE:


Like I asked Mazaje, do you believe in Iyale (Mother Earth)? She is a personification of Nature. She is pantheistic, anthromorphical and polythiestic Goddess. Been an atheist, do you disbelieve in the existence of God/Goddess; Mother Earth which is Nature? Do you disbelieve in the existnce of Nature?

You are here again with you merry go rounds,I asked you to give me one attribute of this mother earth of yours, you said one of her attributes is that she is eternal and can not die, when I took you up on it you ran away, trying to change the meaning of the word death. . .

Nature is simply nature, what is personification of nature?. . .How is nature a polytheistic goddess?. . .What attributes does this polytheist mother earth have as a god and role does earth play as a polytheist goddess?. . . How is nature a polytheist goddess?. . .Pls explain . . .

FOLYKAZE:



Sorry for cutting down this. . . . .

Atheism is not a-theism. It is 'atheos' meaning without god. So atheism is not about theistic god but general god.

Going by your post, do you tell me you believe in pantheist god, spinoza god and Orisha?

Mr, god does not necessary mean a being with supernatural attributes. Fela is my God and he is not a superbeing. My country is sacred which I worship. My parents are Gods which I pray to. My friends are Gods which I make sacrifice to. To top it all, I am a God, being a conscious being.


Like plaetton rightly put it, atheism should be 'non-belief' or better put anti-theism.

Over and over, you guys have proven atheism should not exist. It does not make any sense because there will always be 'with god'.

When people give you their definitions you refuse to accept it , you bring your own definition and try to force it as the general standard for all to accept, this seems to be your tactics all the time. . .

Here is the STANDARD definition of atheism from Wikipedia. . .

Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities. Most inclusively, atheism is the absence of belief that any deities exist. Atheism is contrasted with theism,[which in its most general form is the belief that at least one deity exists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism

Atheism is also lack of belief in gods, by gods here I mean deities(You know that very well). . .When you talk about an art work being god or a Fela as god then you are not talking about theism or atheism and you aren't making any point when it comes to atheism. . .

finofaya:


I've been trying to lay a finger on what's wrong with your OP. I think this is where you are getting it wrong. Atheism is only about the theist God. I thought you would be able to tell from the name, "a-theism". To define atheism, you have to define theism, and to define theism, you have to define what you mean by God. Theism always involves a SUPERNATURAL BEING playing the role of God. Atheism gives no credit to claims about the existence of such a being. When you start talking about the gallery in a theatre, or admiration of a person with nothing else attached, you are no longer discussing theism, and definitely not atheism.

Now, enjoy your atheism in peace.

End of discussion. . . .

FOLYKAZE:

xtsnce of the supernatural god of monotheism god like that
We view thing from same angle. I see nature as god deserving reverence too. But to atheists like mazaje, you are not more an atheist.

To muskeeto, revering a sun as god makes you not an atheist anymore. To him, atheism is the disbeliev in ALL god.

There the problem lies

Brother stop making things up pls. . .We have been through this before. . .If you claim that nature or energy is god then atheism can not apply to it. . .Energy exist, after all you once said that god is a label, you know very well that we disbelieve in the existence of the monotheist or polytheist concept of god, supernatural concepts of god of religions like christianity, islam and polytheist god concept of hinduism etc. . .I have no problem with admitting that the pantheist concept of god does exist. . .Since it is just a label given to things that we know. . Energy, nature, surrounding environment etc. . .

Reyginus:
Do you really want to get into the argument or you just want to rant as they come?

What are the rants?. ..If your cover for being called out for making things up is what you call rants then all I can say is what ever. . .So far you have not been able to state your point clearly to which you already admit, you are just jumping from around and throwing things while looking for what will stick. . .You have not been able to explain what light you are talking about, all the light you have thrown around makes no sense.. when put in context with the biblical light. . .It says god created light and he called it day. . .yo are here trying to tell us that it is invisible light that was called day, eh?. . .well done

Reyginus:
Lol. Why all these rant when you can easily show me that an allegory is not logical? Your argument is like that of one who is already made up on what not to agree to no matter any logical deduction.

What is logical in all the fabrications and equivocations you have been making? Dapo777 has already taken you to the cleaners on that and debunked all your fabrications. . .You are trying to insist that the genesis creation my fits with reality but it doesn't stop trying to hard. . .How can invisible light be used to separate darkness?. . .

Reyginus:
Maybe it is an allegory. But I do not think that anything, by being one, cannot be explained logically. Maybe I have not done well in these explanations but I assure you, henceforth I will do better.

I repeat you are doing your religion and your god a great dis service with all your fabrications and equivocations. . .There is a culture to the genesis creation story, there is NO Jewish Rabbi that knows his onions that will tell you that the story isn't an allegory, all of them after following the tradition have clearly said its an allegory, same with christian apologist, William Criag, Gary Herbermas, Roy Carol etc. . .All these great christian apologist all say the genesis creation account is an allegory simply because it does NOT fit with the observable reality. . .What do you personally know about the bible and how it was written?. . .Who wrote the creation story in the bible?. . .You don't know all these things. . .You are busy spinning and fabricating things just because you read the English translation of the bible, you don't understand hebrew, you really do not know what those words mean in the original language. . .

Rabbi's that have studied it in the original hebrew and the culture behind it have come out to say that it is an allegory because it doesn't fit with any observable reality. . .The bible very clearly states that the earth was created before the sun and stars. . . The writer did not know how the sun or earth came about. . Now we have the hubble space telescope, kepler space telescope and the alma telescope and with them we have been able to capture some planets and stars as they are forming, all of them come about the same way. . .These space observatories have captured different planets at various levels of formation around their parent star. . Some at the proto planetary level, some at more advanced level. . Do the writers of the bible truly know that the stars are form within clouds of gas and dust that collapse under gravity?. . .Do they also know that planets are formed over time when the surrounding dust particles stick together under gravity to form sand and eventually planets?. . .The answer is no they don't. . .If they did they wouldn't have written the nonsense they wrote in the genesis creation myth which is nothing like other tribal religious myth. . .Stop fighting a lost battle. . .

Christians will always have to result to telling lies, fabricating things and DELUDING themselves when trying to use modern knowledge to explain primitive mythology. . .Why did the writers of genesis say that light was created before the sun?. . .because they did not know. . .Why did they say that the earth was in existence before the sun and stars?. . .because they did not know. . .Genesis creation account is Jewish mythology, who ever wrote it had no scientific knowledge and wrote what he thought was true. . .Jews take it to be an allegory, honest christians also say it is an allegory, a honest reading of the verse will tell you that who every wrote it got it wrong and doesn't know. . .STOP fabricating and making things up Reyginus. . .You are doing your religion and your god a dis- service because every body can see that you are trying too hard to sell what is just not there. . .

Gaystar:


Super pretender, when in your profile, you actually show cased your religiosity by stating why you believe God does not exist but Allah and how Mohammad is his only prophet. Fact is, you are Muslim simple

I actually do not believe in any imaginary god idea of the arabs called allah and his deluded weed smoking arabic slave called Mohammed. The mods in the useless islamic section did that to my profile because i clicked on it, i ended up not making a post in the section.

Am from a very religious family. . My mum is a religious fanatic that can not be reasoned with what so ever. logic and reason when it comes to issues of religion means nothing to her(fear and irrational indoctrination is what drives her when it comes to religion), she is an end of day enthusiast(she seriously believes we are in the end of days and Jesus will return during her life time, she TRULY believes that 10000%). . .My siblings are also religious the Nigerian way. . . My friends in Nigeria don't give a damn. I move with people in the higher end of the social ladder, most aren't so religious, some of the muslims are more observant of their religious creeds than the christians but over all they don't care much.To them all we need to do is just keep making money, because that is the only real GOD in Nigeria, the rich know that very well. . . So my friends over all are not so religious but religious all the same. . .My girl friend is the only one that knows am completely irreligious in Nigeria and she doesn't care. . .She calls me a pagan (I love her to death). . .Here in Europe people don't care, even the Nigerians here aren't that religious, the very religious ones are also tolerant, if you tell them you are an atheist they just say "You sef don join them abi?" and the discussion, engagement or transaction you are engaged in with them continues, they won't avoid you or demonize you the way they will if you were in Nigeria. The are very tolerant because most of the whites around are not religious. . .They notice that even though the whites are not religious they seem morally superior to them, so that has affected how they reason or see religion as a whole. . .Life out here in general has really changed their mindset. . .I was surprised to see some muslim Nigerians living here saying that gays should be left alone and should not be imprisoned. . .Staying here really has a way of opening people's minds and making them tolerant and makes them to accommodate other people's life style that differs from theirs. . .

The theories of evolution and the Big Bang are real and God is not “a magician with a magic wand”, Pope Francis has declared. Speaking at the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, the Pope made comments which experts said put an end to the “pseudo theories” of creationism and intelligent design that some argue were encouraged by his predecessor, Benedict XVI.

Francis explained that both scientific theories were not incompatible with the existence of a creator – arguing instead that they “require it”.

“When we read about Creation in Genesis, we run the risk of imagining God was a magician, with a magic wand able to do everything. But that is not so,” Francis said.

He added: “He created human beings and let them develop according to the internal laws that he gave to each one so they would reach their fulfilment.

Pope Francis has come up with 10 tips for a happier life
“The Big Bang, which today we hold to be the origin of the world, does not contradict the intervention of the divine creator but, rather, requires it.

“Evolution in nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation, because evolution requires the creation of beings that evolve.”

The Catholic Church has long had a reputation for being anti-science – most famously when Galileo faced the inquisition and was forced to retract his “heretic” theory that the Earth revolved around the Sun.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-declares-evolution-and-big-bang-theory-are-right-and-god-isnt-a-magician-with-a-magic-wand-9822514.html

This new Pope no wan rest. . .

qstar:



Never knew it had been discussed in this forum. I first came across it in another forum, not Nairaland.

Then, in this forum, i bumped into a thread where someone said that Mazaje has a PHD. Is his PHD in religion/theology?

"Mazaje", you could also answer, pls

Nope my PhD is in information systems. . . .

Misogynist2014:
Let me educate you. Claiming an all-knowing God doesn't exist means u are all-knowing. Tell me the address of where I am 4 a start.

Who claimed that an all knowing god exist?. . .Can you show me when and where the god made the claim himself, don't point to writings of men, just show me when where the god made the claim himsel, only then will I know that you have an idea of what you are talking about . .

BraveGuy:

That is their prerogative. It's YOUR problem if you want to disbelieve there is a spiritual world or not. Continue to claim your foolishness that there is no God in the face of facts.
I am yet to see any of you so-called atheist prove there is no God; in fact, how many of you carry a mobile phone device around (I am sure all of you), which of you has ever seen the wireless frequencies connecting you to the Internet? None!
Yet you try to argue about a spiritual world someone claims to see because you have not seen it?
Continue in your foolishness (Psalm 14:1).

What facts have you provided?. . .all you have done so far is throw ideas of others that have not been verified as facts. . . You are a joker. .

BraveGuy:


Who told you that I agree with what goes on in the TB Joshua's Synagogue? For all you know, I might be more disagreeable as to his beliefs than you. However, that is another topic entirely.

I guess you want to tell me that Dr Eben said he was testifying as a Christian, isn't it? No, he wasn't. I cited his (and the little boy's) case to prove that there is a SPIRITUAL WORLD.

So people's unverifiable claims are what you call evidence. eh?. . .Will you accept the same claims about people that claim to have reincarnated as evidence for reincarnation?. . .There are countless videos of people on the internet claimging to have reincarnated. . .Does that count as evidence for you?. . .You are just too ridiculous. . .

BraveGuy:



To be honest, the arguments presented as a debunk to Dr Eben Alexander's experience are just arguments against his experience, they do not hold water.

Who else would like to debunk the story of the boy upon which the movie, "Heaven Is Real" was based?

I am looking forward to that now.

You always seem to be shooting at all directions from Dr Eben to the story of a boy who went to heaven. . .Pls stay on topic. . .
Now back to Dr Eben Alexander. . .The guy claimed there are is a multi universe when he visited heaven. . .He claimed he was shown that in heaven. . .He says that there are other universes, with less "evil" then ours, and that some are more technologically advanced. He is talking about how we are one of many universes with people living in it, and that our Earth, is a unique one spiriually in that it has more evil in it. However, if any of the other universes had people in them and anyone who had committed any sin, they would need a saviour. Would god also send his son through the process of being guilty for the world more then once again? Would he be able to go back to his position as a man on other planets as a physical body when his real body was up in heaven as the conquering king who had overcome sin and death, who held the keys of death and hades? He also tosses out that evil was made so that there could be free will. What does the bible say about other universes, and the things this man mentions? Does it line up with what is written in the bible?. . Not just the feelings of love and all the nice sounding stuff, but the actual ideas presented in his account. Do you believe in the guy's(Dr. Eben Alexander) multi verse claim?. .

BraveGuy:
https://www.nairaland.com/1963306/read-claim-atheism#27385634

Atheists CAN'T argue against this guy!
There is MEDICAL proof that defies scientists!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2797764/what-heaven-s-really-like-leading-brain-surgeon-says-s-read-testimony-scoff-just-shake-beliefs.html

"What is unique in my case is that I am, as far as scientific records show, the only person to have travelled to this heavenly dimension with the cortex in complete shut-down, while under minute observation throughout.

There are medical records for every minute of my coma, and none of them show any indication of brain activity. In other words, as far as neuroscience can say, my journey was not something happening inside my head."

The man is a fraud and a liar. . .When confronted by other experts he quickly changed his story. .

The claim that his neocortex was totally kaput during his coma is the principal — in fact only — scientific hook on which he hangs “Proof of Heaven”: “During my coma my brain wasn’t working improperly — it wasn’t working at all.” If his brain was not functioning, the consciousness that rode the “butterfly through paradise” existed outside the body, and the door to immortality is wide open. So far, so logical. Only Dr. Alexander has already changed position on this issue. We probably have Sam Harris to thank for that. Harris, author of “The End of Faith and Letter to a Christian Nation,” responded to Dr. Alexander’s Newsweek piece by seeking the opinion of neuroscientist Mark Cohen, whose reply was unequivocal. According to Cohen, the neocortical inactivity described by Dr. Alexander is “brain death, a 100 percent lethal condition.” By the time I met Dr. Alexander and mentioned his inactive neocortex, his line had changed. He told me, “Well, the thing is I would not say completely inactive.”

[i]Only, he did. It is in his book. But with me, Dr. Alexander essentially conceded Harris’s point, adding, “There’s no way that [the neocortex] gave me that incredibly rich odyssey that I remember.”[/i]

http://www.salon.com/2012/11/26/dr_eben_alexanders_so_called_after_life/

BraveGuy:


You are such a joke!
This is not a religious matter, the guy wasn't even preaching, he's a respected neurosurgeon. How can you attribute his experiences to hallucination? No, you didn't read the article and hear him well.

He is not a respected neurosurgeon anywhere, he is a liar who was just trying to use religious faith to make some cool cash by publishing a book based on lies and fiction. . .

Over the course of the past 12 years, he has apparently worked at three separate hospitals, but his employment has ended without explanation at each location. Here’s a sample surrounding his departure from one of the hospitals he once worked at:

In August 2003, UMass Memorial suspended Alexander’s surgical privileges “on the basis or allegation of improper performance of surgery.” (The specifics of the case leading to the suspension are confidential, though Alexander claims it resulted from “a very complex repeat operation I did around the brain stem of a patient in which the patient had more difficulty recovering after the operation I would say than I anticipated and than I led them to believe.”) His suspension technically ended in November of that same year, but he never went back to work at UMass Memorial. He resigned. The following year he did a little freelance consulting for the Gerson Lehrman Group, a company that matches corporations with experts in various fields, and also filed an unsuccessful lawsuit against the Brigham and Women’s Hospital, claiming it improperly withheld more than $400,000 of his retirement and deferred-compensation plans. He had been more or less out of work for fifteen months when, in March 2005, he received a letter from the Massachusetts Board of Registration in Medicine asking him to respond to a complaint form they’d received from a former patient who was upset that Alexander had stopped responding to phone calls. Alexander wrote a letter back, explaining that the complaint was invalid because he was no longer practicing and that, furthermore, he would soon be leaving the state altogether.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/07/03/did-the-famed-neurosurgeon-who-claims-he-saw-god-and-visited-heaven-lie-article-exposes-alleged-inconsistencies/

He was actually a Dr without a job until he devised a means to sell a lie using religious faith to make cool cash. . .All he is doing is what you and others do all the time, which is to tell lies for Jesus. . .Even he himself had had to change some of his stories when confronted by other experts. . .

asalimpo:
@mazaje
He clearly lied you say.
How dyu know?
You read another account.
Contradicting his story and believed it. You were also relaxed in dismissing negators as contrived. You were more inclined to believe them.
If you, wanted to disbelieve them, you could raise doubts based on ur inclination until you were thoroughly convinced that their negations were wrong.
E.g you could hav appealled to absence or unprovability of plenty of unreported minute details missing from the reports of naysayers.

As for ur stance,it's d same as other atheists. Frankly, you guyz dont want to b convinced - you simply want to wish there's no God.

All reported oob accounts are lies-to you, In a religion tht warns of stiff penalties for lying. C'mon, you know that's d height of denial.
*besides,you hav no proof theyre lies other than acceptg and believg the report of another person ,whom you hav no proof theyre negations ar true!*

The Eben Alexander case made news because it appeared on the cover of news week and generated a lot of buzz, the buzz and the controversy it created had investigators going around interview most of the parties involved and it was in the process that he was discovered to have been lying, after the publication by Esquire Magazine challenging most of his claims, he himself went underground with his tale. . .This is old news. . .He has been debunked already. . .

http://www.salon.com/2012/11/26/dr_eben_alexanders_so_called_after_life/

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/07/03/did-the-famed-neurosurgeon-who-claims-he-saw-god-and-visited-heaven-lie-article-exposes-alleged-inconsistencies/

Read this two links and see the case that was made against him, most of which he couldn't deny. . .This topic was thrashed here a year ago. . .Its old news. . .

paulGrundy:


I used to think you were an atheist, now you ate getting me confused.

Re-read what i wrote. . . .Seems you are lost. . .