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I use reason as my guidance to moral choices. . .

FOLYKAZE: Lol

These are things you cannot deny man.

Human are gods, energy is god. . . Many gods exist.

Atheism is not disbelieve in God only but all Gods/gods/deity/deities.

If man can be deity, do you disbelieve in man?



That is all Iasked.





*sorry for those hash words I used. Also, I am not trolling, I have a thread. . . .here is the link https://www.nairaland.com/1457170/atheist.....what-concept-god-disbelief , it treated this question specifically.

Also, considering what we have here which is an atheist forumhttp://atheism.about.com/od/whatisgod/ , it is stated there that atheist who claim disbelieve in God must be able to define what God is. . . . .

Why then is my own question a crime?

This man you no go rest?. . .You don come again abi?. . .You've derailed the thread, enough already abeg. . .You are just claiming ignorance, you have been given the standard theistic/monotheistic definition of god, you refused to accept it and insist that the pantheistic definition is the true definition. . .What do you want na brother? abeg enough. . .

finofaya: @folykaze

But you stubborn sha. Do you agree that there is no single definition for God? I agree. You do too, you said so in your third sentence. As such, asking an atheist to define God amounts to asking him to give you all the definitions of God. This is because unlike theists, an atheist does not have a preference for any definition of God. If the atheist limits himself to any particular God, he is no atheist in the true sense. He will only be an atheist the same way a christian is an atheist to Allah.

This is not even taking into account the fact that atheism is the absence of belief. It is you who wants somebody to believe something that will define what the thing is. You may say an atheist wants you to believe that there is no God, but an atheist can only provide you with a broad and general concept of what the God is. Mazaje did good by providing you with a summary of what God should mean, i.e supreme being and all that, but you are still asking for definition.

I think you seriously misunderstand what atheism is or you are just trolling.

The fact that there is no universal definition of God is not the atheists problem, but the theists. It is them after all who brought it up.

And those your examples that state; I believe Fela is God, if you say God does not exist, you are denying the existence of Fela, they are just misguided. Look at it this way; I say to you "Fela is a square circle". You know that square circles don't exist and you tell me so. Would I be correct to conclude that you are thereby denying the existence of Fela? I don't think so. (I noticed you were reluctant to call Fela a supreme being. Hmm.)

Also saying you can label anything as God simply shows that you are trolling. I might as well label this post God. Or bread. That doesn't make the post God. In fact, if I did that, your humble self would say that my post is not God. Then you would have to define God for me.

I still think you may have an unfair dislike of atheists, since you keep excusing agnostics, even though they must also know what God is before saying they have not reason to believe in him.

The definition you seek has been given to you. Maybe its something else you want.

Nice input brother. . .He is just trolling, i just regretted engaging him and derailing the thread. . .He forcefully wants to say that christianity is a monotheistic religion defines god the same way as the polytheist or pantheist defines god. . .he claims that according to christinaity humans are god, many god exist, energy is god bla bla bla. . .this man is deluded and a ridiculous troll. . .

FOLYKAZE: Mazaje is doing everything to shout me down. You desperatin to bring me down only expose how silly you are. (I am sorry for those words, I cant afford but to say it out)



now I am left with a little space because of epistle. So permit me to quote you in different posts.






Guy did you missed the bold part? And if you read down the page, you would see PERSONIFICATION as a sub-subject. Why have you chosen to ignore that?

Well, I am not here to define any God for you. In the first instance on this thread, I asked you to define God and all you could provide is a fictitioner character you created out of your head just to have yourself disbelieving.

I asked you questions on what you defined but you chose to ignore that. You are here bringing a dictinary. Not only that, you are cherry picking what the dictionary contains.

Did you not find Mentors refer t as God in the dictionary?

Did you not find someone adhere, honor or revere refer as God in the dictionary?

Did you not see an art gallery being refer to as God in the dictinary?

Now do you choose to disbelieve in the existence of God when one mentor, someone revere or adhere as God?

The nonsense you presented as definition contain lot of things I do not understand.

What is supernatural being. Does that mean fela who I ahere so much as my God is a superman?

Who told you supernatural being created the universe?

Your definition appears as Deistic conception. Does this mean you choose to disbelieve in deistic concept of God?

This is what I asked of you. . . . . .turning the table around only make you silly.

If you cant provide answer here, let me know

Didn't you see how the entry defined god in theism, deism and pantheism. . .The definition in all three categories are all different and hold different meanings, it explains it in details. . .You dishonestly want to argue that they are all the same and mean the same thing when they don't at all, that is why you have been lying and twisting things all over the place. . . .My chair can be called god in pantheism, but in a monotheistic religion like islam god can not be said to be a chair. . .You are just claiming ignorance and trying to force things to mean what they want them to be. . I have given you the theistic definition of god, since you don't want to accept it that is your business. . .Stop saying i formed it, because i got it from the dictionary. . .You refuse to accept it because it doesn't agree with your pantheistic definition of god as energy. . .You are deluded. . .

FOLYKAZE: You are becoming more and more silly.

Because I cant find the word grandfather or boyfriend in the bible does not mean there is no expression in the bible having meaning with the word grandfather or boyfriend.

You can keep denying all you like. Bible is not physics textbook where you would find energy. This is the same way you cant find biological cell or organism because it is not a biological textbook.



I have explained how God is energy.

Human are God, we are made up of energy. Energy is God.

Word said is a sound energy, word is God, energy is God.

God is love. . . . .love is an electro-chemical reaction. It is an energy. It is God.

If you expect to find love is energy in the bible, then you go ahead with your silliness.

Brother are you mad?. . .Why must i accept what the definition of god is?. . .You are a pantheist and not a theist. . .Your god is energy fine. . .That is your problem. . .I am not talking about your energy god religion here. . .So because humans are made up of energy that means humans are god?. . .Even my car parked outside has potential energy does that make it god?. . .Are you mad?. . .To you everything that has energy is god. . Good for you, but that is you own opinion and idea. . .Stop trying to force people to accept it. . .You just take things make them up and claim that is what the bible is saying. . .Stop talking about the god of the bible because he is not your ridiculous energy god. . The word energy is not even in the bible. . .All you have done so far is just reinvent things give them your own personal meaning and claim others must accept it. . .You are crazy. . .

FOLYKAZE: You silliness has no limit bro.

The bible does not say the word is god but God. I know very soon you will start telling me God is not god.

Let me again explain how the word is a sound energy.

In the beginning was the word, the world was created out of it and the word was God.

The lord said (p.t of say). . . . .out of this the world was created.

How can you say something without a voice?

How can you make a voice without a sound?

A word said is can be seen as a word but on the realsitic sense, it is blend of sound waves and the movement of it energetic frequency.

All I see here is sound energy. . . .it has been from the beginning, from it transofrmation comes everything.




In the big bang, when the singularity exploded, was there no sound? Is the sound not an energy?

You can choose to see it from theological sense, that word spoken is God. There is no way you can utter a word without making sound.

Brother you are just every where. . .What exactly is your point that Yahweh is the same as humans or that Yahweh is energy. . .I want you to clearly define what your position is. . .I notice you take things, create your own ideas on them and run away trying to force your ideas into them. . .Example the bible talks about Yahweh being the beginning and the end, you rushed to say that means Yahweh is energy because energy can neither be created or destroyed, sure energy can neither be created or destroyed but energy can be converted and changed from one form to another, Yahweh according to the bible does not change so how does Yahweh equate to energy?. . .

Exodus 22:28, in American Standard Version, King James 2000 Bible, GOD'S WORD® Translation, NET Bible, International Standard Version, Holman Christian Standard Bible and New American Standard Bible, English Standard Version, New Living Translation and so many other translations uses the word[b] God in place of judges[/b].

Are we not going to judge the angels?

Are we not God?

Are you now a christian?. . .What are you saying brother?. You are going to judge which angle? Where? . .Are you mad?. . .

You have made yet another false statement here is the passge from the King James version:

Exo 22:28 Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.

Exo 22:28 Thou shalt not revile God, nor curse a ruler of thy people. American Standard Bible

Exo 22:28 “You must not dishonor God or curse any of your rulers. New Living translation. . .

Where does it say rulers are god in these two versions my brother?. . .Why are you making things up?. . .Where does it replace judges with god?. . .What are you saying?. . .Are you drunk?. . .I tire for you ohh my brother. . .

Your stupidity to day makes you argue against gods as different God. I will look forward to the day you will take them as one.

What bffles me again, are you disbeliving in God and not gods?

Your stupidity is alarming.

. . .There is a difference between the meanings of the two words, yes. 'God' (with a capital) means the one deity in the monotheistic religion in question, while 'gods' (without a capital and s) is a common noun that refers to any deity or dieties from any religion or set of religions. For example, if I say 'I think God is great!', I'm talking about one specific deity or supreme being, and it is specifically in a monotheistic religion. However, if I say 'Are all gods as important as Shiva or Zeus?' I might mean all the hindu deities or geek dieties, and if I say 'Are all gods as nasty as Allah?' I probably mean all the pantheon of gods from all religions because Allah is the only god in his given religion (Islam).
Does that make it clear enough for you?

The God there is judges. . . .and the revile of the God extend to rulers.

Guy read the commentary. . . .God there is human.

Do you disbelieve in the existence of Human because we are called God?

I have caught you lying and making things up again brother. . .You are yet to show me any bible translation that uses the word judges. . .I have given you the different translations from the different English versions you claimed used judges but no used any judge any where. . .Why are you making things up na?. . .I tire for you. . .

Lol.

Elohim in many places is translated as God. Elohim is not a single person but many Gods.

Deal with that. . . . . .

Still doesn't mean that Yahweh is energy. . .Or that Yahweh is the same thing as humans. . .You are yet to bring any bible verse that shows that. . .

This is not the issue on groung. You are the bent to deny everything I have. You are the one denying everything tag as God.

I wonder if atheism is the disbelieve in God and not gods anymore.

You are in position to tell me if human who are called God is not existing.

You are the one to tell me if you only disbelieve in only God and not gods.


Lets see how you deal with that.

Brother, the thing is that you are just making things up. . .There are different definition of god , theism definition of god is different from deism G and pantheism for example. . God means a very differnt thinkg to the theist, pantheist or deist. . . .In pantheism god could be defined as energy, but in a mono theistic religion like christianity and Islam god is a supreme being who created the universe and controls everything among other things. . .I gave you the standard christian definition of what god is which is what this thread is all about you refused to accept it by intially saying I made it up after a while you dismissed it by trying to say you know some one who believes that Yahweh the god of christianity is energy. . .What exactly is your point?. . .Now you are rushing to claim that the bible defines god as energy. . .Pls can you show me that?. . Why are you making things up?. . .I am tired of your lies, spin and outright craziness. . .You just take things and start running commentaries on them, example jainism says the universe is eternal, but according to you jainism says the universe is god. . .What are you on about na my man?. . .

Joshthefirst: I remember I and another guy explaining very clearly to you that Man is already condemned because he has done wrong. Refusal of the only solution leaves you in hopelessness.
You're a deliberately thick headed man and yours is to deliberately throw away meaning so that your foolish and meaningless notions of life will hold water.
The wages of sin is death.

The wages of sin is death sis not the same as he who does not believe is condemned already. . .The bible is very clear on what it says in John 3:18. . . who ever believes in Jesus is not condemned is what it says, it then goes on to say that who ever does not believe in Jesus is condemned already because they refuse to believe in god's only son. .It clearly states the reason .That is pretty clear, i really do not know what you are on about. . .

FOLYKAZE: I didnt make a claim on this thread that God exist or do not exist. You are the one turning the table around. The definition you provided here expose how cnfused you are. Why have you refused to answer questions I asked base on the fallacy you cooked up just becuase you want to disbelieve?

Go to wiki, God is mere personification of natural elements. Or you would turn around and tell me Natural element do not exist baffles me.

I repeat I gave you the dictionary definition of god, you refuse to accept it you now say that I should go to wiki where it says god is a mere personification of elements, which is actually a lie because god according to wiki is: God is often conceived as the Supreme Being and principal object of faith. The concept of God as described by theologians commonly includes the attributes of omniscience (infinite knowledge), omnipotence (unlimited power), omnipresence (present everywhere), omnibenevolence (perfect goodness), divine simplicity, and eternal and necessary existence. In theism, God is the creator and sustainer of the universe, while in deism, God is the creator (but not the sustainer) of the universe. Monotheism is the belief in the existence of one God or in the oneness of God. In pantheism, God is the universe itself. In atheism, God is purported not to exist, while deemed unknown or unknowable within the context of agnosticism. God has also been conceived as being incorporeal (immaterial), a personal being, the source of all moral obligation, and the "greatest conceivable existent".[1] Many notable medieval philosophers and modern philosophers have developed arguments for and against the existence of God

Where does it mention personification of elemenst you shameless lair?. . .You have been lying all over the place. . .From islam claims humans are god, to jainism believe that the universe is god, now to wiki defining god as a personification of elements. . .You are shameless. . .

The bold again show how confused you are. Do you expect to find energy in the bible when it is not a physic textbook? Does it mean if I cant find the word grandfather or boyfriend in the bible mean there is no existence of expression of the word holding the same meaning with grandfather in the bible?

All the crazy talk just to satisfy your delusion that the bible accepts your lies about god being energy, so far you are yet to come close or point to any where it suggests so. . .All you are doing is reading and inputing your own lies and delusion into the bible and trying to force it to accept your idea that god is energy. . .Where does the bible say that god is energy, show it or remain a lair. . .

The Lord say, you cant say something without a sound. There is nothing like saying a word. In reality, it is blends of soundwave. That word mentioned is God. . . .John 1:1.

So the god of the bible is now sound energy?. . .Are you that deluded?. . The voice of god according to the bible is now god?. . .The word in John 1:1 simply means god's message. But as some one that is forcefully trying to turn the bible god into his own god you anything will be said by you, waiting for you to bring verses from the koran that also claimns god is energy. . .You are deluded. . .

Are human not energy?

Are human not called God?

Where does the bible call humans God? The bible says ye are gods. . .It does not say ye are God. . .Why are you just lying any how?. . .You have no shame. . .

Get a commentary pls.

After exposing your lies you are now telling me to get a commentary?. . .The verse is very clear, it says do not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of they people. . .No where does it say rulers are gods, the comma there clearly differentiates between the rulers and the gods, no where does it even state that the rulers are god. . . but as some one making things up, anything goes for you. . .You are deluded and shameless. . .

Miniature of God? Lol

There are many God in heaven and on earth. . . .are this miniture too?

Ye are Gods, we are human, we are God. Do you disbelieve in human existence?

Where does the bible say that there are many God in heaven and on earth?. . .Show me where it says there are many God in heaven. .The bible always makes a distinction between gods and God .You deliberately spin things just to satisfy your delusion. . .I actually thought that islam is the only religion that tries to steal other people's god and turn it into their. . Now here is another deluded African trying to claim that the bible god is his own energy god idea. . .

Convertion between matter and energy?

I know someone that explain it this way.

Are we all not energy?

You know someone that explains it that way?. . .Is that now your defense?. . .What am I supposed to do with what you know which is just a pack of lies. . .I have given you the standard christian definition of god accroding to christian theology and you are here telling me that you know someone that describes the christian god as energy?. . .So far you have been lying all over, from islam says people are god, to jainism saying that the universe is god to christianity saying that god is energy. . .You are more deluded than I thought. . .

FOLYKAZE: Atheism is disbelieve in God (all religion ) not christian concept of God.

Yes. . .You also need to define what god is and how it functions. . .saying god is energy means nothing. . .

And the Lord said, let there be. . . . Out of the word he mention, all things were created and that word is God.

He said it means make sound. Sound energy is God.

You can clearly say where it says the Lord, it didn't say energy. . .God speaking things into existence according to the bible does NOT make sound god, it is just a means which he used to create things, the bible also talked about how god personally used his hands to create humans and animals. . I really do not know what you are saying, you are just confused and trying to push your delusions into the christian religion. . .You are shameless. . .

Lol. The disciple said you are my Lord and my God. Jesus is God. . . .whatever God is God.

I can help you with version of biblbe using God as god. It mean the same thing bro.

And Jesus is energy?. . .According to christian theism Jesus is god incarnated as a man.

Energy cannot be used. It is a new word. But the bible said God is the beginning and the end. No one create him and cannot be dstroyed.

That is energy.

Having the same attribute as energy doesn't mean its energy. . . .

Exodus 22:28

Exo 22:28 Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.

You are just a shameless liar. . .Where in this verse does it say rulers are gods? They are not to revile the gods or curse their rulers means rulers are gods? You are shameless. . .

Ye are Gods. . . .reffering to human. Are human not made up of energy?

You do not know the context in which the gods is used, as usual you chose to label it energy in your delusion to claim that christianity agrees with your energy religion. . .After all the bible also says humans are created in its god's image. . .Ye are gods simply means you are little manitures of yahweh. . .not the energy nonsense you are trying to make us believe. . .

And the lord said. The word he mentioned was God. Is that not sound energy?

Where?. . .

Common sense not very common.

Lying through your teeth is common sense to you, well done. . .

my bad on Islam.

Actually some choose to disbelieve that we human exist because we are called God.

Can you see how confused you are?

You are the one that is confused since all you did was redefine everything to suit your delusions. . .This is the general definition of god according to christian theology. . .Non the nonsense you are shamelessly trying to say. . .

"In Christianity, God is the eternal being who created and preserves the world. Christians believe God to be both transcendent (wholly independent of, and removed from, the material universe) and immanent (involved in the world). Christian teachings of the immanence and involvement of God and his love for humanity exclude the belief that God is of the same substance as the created universe but accept that God incarnated as a man and wants to have a relationship with mankind."

By the way you also lied about Jainism by saying the believe that the universe is god. . .That is a lie, they just believe that the universe was not created and that is all there is to it. .

Jainism and the divine

Jains do not believe in a God or gods in the way that many other religions do, but they do believe in divine (or at least perfect) beings who are worthy of devotion.

This makes it difficult to give a straight answer to the question "is Jainism atheistic?"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/jainism/beliefs/god.shtml

So far you ave just been lying all over the place. . .

FOLYKAZE: Is christianity the only religion on earth?

Doesn't have to be but I chose to use it. . .

Christianity define The word, a sound energy as God.

Where does christianity or the bible specifically use the word sound energy as god you liar?. . show me. . . you are very confused, stop lying pls. . .

Christianity define human (we are made up of energy) as God. Maybe you missed 'ye are Gods' in the bible.

Where does the bible claim humans are made up of energy you liar, show me. . .Gods is not equal to god read your bible again. . .

Christianity define God as the beginning and the end (energy has been. . . Not created or can be destroyed).

Where does the bible claim that god is energy you lair, show me. . . Christianity does NOT define god as beginning and end, god only say that he is the beginning and the end in the bible a tittle he bestowed on himself. . .Beginning and the end now means not created and not destroyed?. . .By the way energy can be created and be destroyed in open systems. . .Energy can neither be created or destroyed only in closed systems. . .

Christianity define power/rulership as God.

Where does it claim that power and rulership is god you lair, show me from the bible. . .

Tell me all those do not exist.

Power does not exist?

Human does not exist?

Sound energy (word) does not exist?

Or do you want me to bring in other religion?

All you did was to shamelessly and dishonestly redefine terms to satisfy your deliusuons that christianity agrees with your that god means energy. .it does not. . .No where does chriatianity say that god is energy. . Show me from the bible or just accept that you have been lying all along. . .

You make me sick abeg. . . . . .i though you have something to offer. . . . .all I see is confusion. . . .i cant help it brother, you are confused.

Sorry sir

Funny that a person that spins things to satisfy his delusions calls others confused. . .You even lied that islam says people are gods. . .You are shameless. . .

FOLYKAZE: You could have wait until I bring in my definition.
The definition you presented in the first place is plain fictitional. You created it so that you can have something to disbelieve.
Define what a supernatural being is, who told you they created the Universe, why do you choose deism conception of God and if Deism conception is all you disbelieve in.
If you want to bring in definition, why cant you bring in the complete definition. Are human not God going by the definition on dictionaries? Are human not view as God in christian conception and Islam conception you love to hate Do you disbelieve in existence of human?
Many religion out there sees God as energy, do you disbelieve in the existence of energy?
Jainism view God as the universe itself, does this mean universe does not exist?
Mazaje, you can do better than this. . . . . .
All I see in your atheism is hatred, confusion and . . . . .put together.
Goodnight abeg, we will continue tomorrow

Christianity and islam do NOT describe god as energy. . .You just want me to accept your own definition of what god is, but i will NOT accept your opinion and idea, it remains yours alone. . .To you god is energy, fine, that remains you opinion. . .Humans are not viewed as God in chriatianity and islam stop lying. . .God according to christianity and islam is the one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe. Any other thing you say is your own making and remains a lie. . .I repeat, when I talk about god i am talking about the god concept of christianity and islam, don't be dishonest by claiming ignorance and pretend that your energy god concept is what i am referring to. If god to you is energy as you have stated else where then that is your business and opinion. . .God means different things to different people. . .The main stream god concept of christianty and islam is what i am talking about not the energy god that you chose to believe in. . .

FOLYKAZE: tell me, is there something you are scared of or probably disturbing your mind?

You help proving that atheists here are the most confused fellas ever. I asked you questions base on what you presented and all you could do is call me names, ignore my questions and bark around.

I have not on this thread define what God is. . . .so how could you accuse me of forcing definition on people? Who are the 'we' who you said know what God is? Is it the Deist you are using their definition or theist you like to hate or who exactly?

If you do not know what God is, tell me. No one is harming you for that.


I dont think there is definition for Hateist yet, I created the word. . . .well I found Hatetheism. . . . I think it fit you most.

I have given you the dictionary definition of god, what more do you want?. . .

Word Origin
noun
1.
the one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe.

You want to begin with your brouhaha that god is energy or the total energy there is. .bla bla bla. You have defined what god is to you on other threads. . Example on this thread https://www.nairaland.com/1842303/god-exists-which-one-he#25227468 you defined god as energy .That is YOUR own definition of what god is to YOU and it remains your own OPINION. I have given you the general definition of what god is according to majority of world religions. I don't have time for your energy god religion that you alone know and understand. . .I am dealing with the mainstream definition of god by world religions like christianity and islam. . .

FOLYKAZE: Lol

Seriously, I think I am the only one seeing this.

The very day the OP created this thread, I have been watching keenly but there is none on this thread that have mentioned why they are atheist. I am so convinced too that most of this so called atheists do not know wat atheism is. Some even do know what they are disbelieving is before proclaiming they disbelieve.

The agnostics are the ones making sense. At least they know their stance unlike my comrades claiming to be atheists.

Atheists here are mostly irreligious.

Before someone can argue about God, that person should at least define what God is. Shouting here and there disbelieve about God is irrelevant when God is not well defined.

Lets see how atheists come out of this.

We all know what god is here, you want to force your own definition of god on people, no body will buy it. . .Just keep going bolaino if that is what will make you sleep well at night. . .I no get strength. . .

TheBigUrban2: You have gone "bolaino"

TheBigUrban2:


You have truly renounced the use of reasoning.

I couldn't have said it better. . .This guy has lost it completely. . .

Joshthefirst: As I said, all I see here is you deliberately misinterpreting and ignoring my points and doggedly clinging to your own idiotic notions. Going around the same table barking like a rabid dog refusing to let anyone stop you.

I have told you a simple thing, explained a very simple child-like point of life and you go around ignoring it?

Please what is difficult to grasp in the fact that everyone, including you and I have done some form of wrong, and ought to be punished for it?

The only difference is that i have accepted someone elses's substitution and mercy and gained a new life, while you in your love for evil reject it and doggedly cling to meaningless foolishness.
I have said enough as a witness.

Goodbye.

You have not said anything meaningful. . .The bible very clearly says that belief in Jesus is the only hing that saves people, as long as you do not believe you are condemned already. .So why are you talking trash about good deeds and other nonsense?. . .From the bible:

[i]
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son [/i]John 3:18

Why should people be condemned and thrown into fire just for not believing in a story that is unbelievable?. . .I notice it doesn't make sense to you that is why you are trying to run away from it by doing some gymnastics that makes no sense at all . . .

By the way,hope you know that you will also burn in allah's hell for not accepting Mohammed his last messenger and the Koran which he revealed to mankind?. . .You keep talking all over the place. . .

FOLYKAZE: Oga

What is gods and deities?

Supernatural beings that are said to have created the universe but live outside our realm. . .

musKeeto: Oga mi. I'm good. Had some stuff to handle. Still in Nigeria?

Am in South Korea oo, supposed to be in Naija but am chasing paper first. . .Are you in naija?

Image123: 1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Jesus came for ebola. Jesus was manifested to destroy the works of the devil. Jesus came to destroy evil works. That purpose for which He suffered and died. It was to destroy the devil and accessories.

Please what the hell is image123 saying?. . . . . .Jesus came for ebola yet people are still dying of ebola?. . .How has Jesus destroyed ebola?. . .Are you drunk?. . .

@ musKeeto
Nice to have you back brother, I truly missed reading from you. . .Hope you are good?

onetrack: "Open your heart" really means "shut off your brain".

Word!

Weah96: I guess he's saying that everyone is going to hell including himself.

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He'll come and spin it by saying only those that believe in Jesus will be saved. .

Joshthefirst: there's no such thing as good Muslims and such.

None is good

Everyone has sinned. Including you and I.

You are just all over the place, all have sinned how?. . .There are muslims, hindus, taoist, atheist, Shinto etc that don't kill, don't commit adultery, don't steal, try as much to love their neighbors as they love themselves, stay away from trouble etc. . .You said people will be punish for sins, now you say all have sinned. . .What the hell are you on about?. . .The bible clearly says that he that does not believe in the message of Jesus is condemned already. . .It also says Jesus is the only way to god. . .Those that do not believe in Jesus will perish according to the bible, not those that do good, because the bible says people's righteous acts are like filthy rags in the eyes of god. . .So it all boils down to one thing, which is believe in Jesus and be saved disbelieve and burn in hell for eternity. . .The question is why should people suffer in eternity just because they disbelieve in some stories that lack evidence?. . .As a christian remember that you will also burn in allah's hell for not believing in his own revelation and his last prophet Mohammed.

Joshthefirst: nonsense.

You have a habit of clustering nonsense together and giving it to someone to interpret, and then misinterpreting and ignoring simple interpretations given.

How many times have I told you that no one goes to hell for unbelief? You go to hell for stealing and lying and greed etc. Not primarily for unbelief. Its like saying someone will be put in jail because he doesn't believe he exists.

And there's notime in eternity. You're here to show where your loyalty lies. If you prove rebellious here, you'll be ostracized with the rebellious ones.

That means good muslims, buddist, taoist, athiest, shinto, yidzis etc will all go to heaven. . . Since they don't steal, cheat, fornicate, murder, etc. . . .

Joshthefirst: Offenders. Yes.

Offenders will be punished always. Being angry with this notion is hypocritical. As even the secular humanitarian society which you support punishes offenders.

Human law is also enforced. Obedience to societal law is two-fold. Out of love for society and out of fear of the fierce hand of the law.

Foolish men whining hypocritically and baselessly.

Punishment is supposed to be humane and it is also supposed to fit the crime. . Why should a person burn in fire for 1000 years just for unbelief?. . .isn't that sadistic and barbaric?. . .

I got some of these from some where, I added some to it and it completely sums up why I do not believe in god(s) and religion. Here are the reasons. . .


*There is not one iota of unequivocal evidence that any God exists. . . .God remains just an idea, a perception and a claim that requires belief to sustain it.

*God cannot explain all that exists because God itself cannot be explained. This claim just gratuitously swaps one mystery for another.

*Religions do not fully explain any mechanism or process whereby God created everything. It is effectively an appeal to magic. For example how exactly did god create the planet, all you get are just wishy washy appeal to magic.

*Religious faith is generally indistinguishable from gullibility. Trust and faith as human concepts, are normally based on experience and reason. Religious faith is necessarily based on belief in unproved and unknowable things.

* Religious faith has never been tested objectively and shown to work.
*A god or anything that exists outside the realm of natural reality is necessarily unknowable, unintelligible and incoherent. It is therefore irrational to believe in something that is said to be supernatural and beyond the ability to be tested and be objectively shown to be real.

*Religious scripture:
* is completely man-made
*contains many translation, historical and scientific and interpretation errors
* is often self-contradictory
* often contradicts known facts
*promotes conversion by violence
* calls for punishment and death to unbelievers, why should people be punished for unbelief in stories that lack evidence?
*contains virtually no specific and unequivocal predictions
* is always subject to personal interpretation and opinion
* Was written by ancient men that didn't know much about the world and the universe in general
*contains only vague predictions beyond its own time
*contains many failed prophecies, predictions and unfulfilled promises of God
*Scripture contains too much that is vague, metaphorical and symbolic to be instructions from a divine being to humans. A perfect being would be expected to be able to communicate much better than that.

*In order to render most of scripture useful, it must necessarily be interpreted. This makes it easily twisted to support nefarious purposes.

*The problems with scriptures outweigh any good messages they may contain. If read at all, they should be considered opinion and philosophy and that's all that there is to it.

*Morals are based on human sympathy, empathy, what will lead to a stable and less chaotic society and not on divine guidance. it varies from culture to culture and is always evolving. Establishing moral codes based on theism is unnecessary, riddled with contradictions, and fraught with danger. Reason is what humans are supposed to use to guide them when making moral choices and decisions not ancient rules written by people whose civilization and way of life is outdated.

*Religion is divisive in that it pits groups of otherwise indistinguishable people against one another. There are already more than enough differences for humans to fight over. And religion is the most intransigent of such divisions because many people feel it is a divine duty to revile those who believe differently than they do even if they don't see the reason in it. God hates the disbelievers or the disbeliever are condemned is what is written in most scriptures.

*Religions are generally intractable when it comes to substantive compromise with other religions or belief systems.

*All suggested ways to perceive God rely on internal mechanisms that are subject to personal desires, suggestion, and mistakes. On the question of communicating with God, religion insidiously asks us all to deceive ourselves. If god or gods communicates to people as they claim then why are they always receiving and sending different messages that are mostly contradictory?

*People are animals. We are only special due to our more developed brain. (We share 98% of our DNA with chimpanzees)

*Every culture that has existed has had God myths and other superstitions. This is often used as an argument for the existence of God. Rather than indicating that there is a true God, this indicates that people are simply attracted to the idea and people easily form the idea.


*Goodness, truth, wisdom and all other purported attributes of God are human concepts. When applied to a presumed entity so completely different in kind as to be supernatural, they are meaningless. The idea of God is thus incoherent.

*Infinity is a concept humans cannot comprehend except in a limited mathematical sense. If God is infinite, this also renders him unintelligible.

*Belief in an afterlife is insidious, besides there is no evidence to show the human consciousness survives bodily death.

*Organized religion wastes untold amounts of money and resources that could be used to care for people, promote real knowledge, and advance the human race.

*Theism puts God above people thereby making people subservient, unimportant and expendable.

*Religion relies on guilt, fear, uses threat and outlandish promises to gain obedience.

*Religion is like racism because it segregates people.
*Theism generally precludes any possibility of testing God or questioning his existence substantively and objectively. It is something like the wizard of Oz saying, "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."

*The methods used in proselytizing for religion bear an unmistakable resemblance to the methods of confidence men. But the scriptures consider this the great commission of mankind.

*There are many good rational and logical arguments against theism but not one argument in favor of it that doesn't rely on a fallacy, assumption or special pleading.

*There are so many Gods put forth by thousands of religions that no one could ever be certain of picking the correct one, assuming that one exists.

*Prayer is totally subjective and cannot be shown to have any more efficacy than pure chance.
*There is no discernible difference between believing in God and having an imaginary friend.

*People generally rely on facts and evidence in every human endeavor except religion.

*Unequivocal miracles do not occur. example gods do not heal amputees or babies born with down syndrome.

*God supposedly speaks directly to the human spirit. This must be, at least partly, the same concept as mind. People who receive messages in their minds are invariably delusional.

*There is no positive correlation between belief in God and being a moral person.

*Belief in religion has spawned uncounted cults that draw people in by appealing to the concept of faith without proof and the promise of prophets to come. Some examples are: Jim Jones and the People's Temple, David Koresh and the Branch Davidians, Marshal Applewhite and Heaven's Gate. These groups had religious followers who were convinced to brutalize, mutilate and kill themselves and their children on the basis of this kind of blind faith.

*Religion has an extremely violent history that includes such things as crusades, inquisitions, witch hunts, genocide, terrorism and holy war. Untold millions have died in the name of religious icons and for religious beliefs.

*Religions have a long history of misogyny.

*Religious dogma is practically immune to the incorporation of new facts. The best it can do is strained reinterpretation.

* Children have to be indoctrinated with religion at a very early age.

*The argument that God cannot be proven not to exist is irrelevant when one considers that to do so requires that the concept of a supernatural God be intelligible and coherent, which it is not.

*There is a well known argument commonly called "The Problem of Evil". It basically says that if an omnipotent and omnibenevolent God exists, unnecessary or gratuitous evil would not exist in the world. Thus if God sees this type of evil and does nothing he is either not omnibenevolent because he doesn't care or not omnipotent because he is unable to stop it. There are many counter-arguments that have been used. However the only one that really could defeat the Problem of Evil is if one says that we cannot apply human standards to decide what is or is not gratuitous evil. This may well be true, but that argument renders God unintelligible and meaningless to humans. Either way, the concept of God seems to be highly doubtful.

*Theists claim that God has given humans free will. However, this free will is anything but free. The choices are forced on pain of death and eternal suffering. It is equivalent to having a slave and saying something like: "I grant you your freedom to leave at any time. But if you do, I will torture you mercilessly and kill you as slowly as possible."

Empiree: Okay now guys. I wont like to derail your thread but let me just input this before I commot. So, atheism simply means disbelieve in existence of God or deity according to mazaje and probably that's official definition of it. Good enough.

Now guys, including urban2 read this. Very soon I will be going for vacation in carrebean Island of Trinidad. I honestly dont mind inviting you guys and i will be responsible for costs. The flight will take us some hours to get there. I will come back to this thread a month before my vacation so that we could get ready. This is going to be private jet okay?.

However, when we board the plane, I have to instruct our pilot to cruise at 35,000 altitude over atlantic ocean. When we get to that altitude, I will instruct him to put the jet to dive (that's, crash it in the ocean). What will be your reaction at that point?. Sincere answer please.

CASE STUDY: I sponsored 2 atheists on the same trip 9 yrs ago. When we reach 30000 above sea level, pilot dived the jet to the ocean. These atheists guys sat not far from me.They notice something's wrong with the aircraft and looked through the window. What they saw was terrible. They started crying and creaming "oh God , Oh God Oh God" then i was wondering why they didnt shout "Oh nothing Oh science, Oh nothing, Oh science" ?. I was suprized. So pilot recorved from dive and everything was fine. Then i was like guys what just happened?. They said we thought something happed to the plane but thank "God" we are saved. I said oh I'd thought you guys dont believe in God?. They smiled.

So my question to you guys is dont you think you are deceving yourselves when you said you dont believe in God?. It doesnt matter what your concept of God is. At least for now God being Supreme Being. In other to proof this theory i just gave you, i will post a video of aircraft scheduled for testing with Atheists on board. Then, aircraft develpoed tech problems unknown to them and dived into the ocean. They screamed Oh God Oh God. I was wondering why they didnt say "Oh nothing", Oh science"

So guys, do you want me to invite you to Trinidad with condition attached (to dive the plane toward the ocean)?.

So your reason for believing in god is because you are afraid?. . .Pls if you have nothing sensible to say just shut up. . .Your opinion is not needed here if foolishness is all you can display. . .

Empiree: Op, are you atheist?. If so, what exactly is your official definition of atheism?

Yes I am an atheist. . Atheism to me is simply disbelief in the existence of dieties and gods. .

A similar thread was made here some years ago by someone, the mods took it to the front page and it turned into the theist vs atheism argument and lost the main reason why it was put up here. I will like to ask the same questions to the atheist here in the house. I want the atheist and agnostics to state their reasons for not believing in god/religion. I will state mine later but I will like to hear from others. . .I don't want conversion stories, just state why you do not believe in god and religion to be true as portrayed by the theist. . .

NB: Mods pls do not take this to the front page.

usba: do have issues you are dealing with that makes it difficult for you to reasonably read and comprehend? So you don't even know what a scenario is? I don't suffer fools gladly,



Someone ask this raving blood sniffing niccur why he is saying the west does not need Islam yet at the same time claiming the west is giving
Muslims a taste of their own medicine in essence copying what Muslims are doing?

This whiner for life, crying poo over the existence of God, continues to show that he became an atheist because of extreme lack of basic comprehension skills and not any objective reasoning on his path, How do i give a damn about western culture? when the simple question I asked has left you wandering like an uneducated free-loader, the point i made is, the op was never a comparison between west and Islam, it was simply about Muslims living in Italy, to which you and you illiterate hoard couldn't provide any explanation except whining about what Muslims do and how the west is copying what they do by giving them a taste of their own medicine! All mazaje has done in the thread is whine and call for jungle justice and I repeat the WEST DO NOT NEED BLACK PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELF WHO WANT TO INFECT IT WITH JUNGLE JUSTICE MENTALITY AND PSEUDO INTELLIGENT GARBAGE!


I see a certain sick individual with coconut for brains expect me to give him attention, ain't got time for lazy intellectually challenged individuals!

Usba be like. . .Amma slaughter all these infidels for allah. . .

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usba: What is this one saying? Ur point remains a uselesss speculation at best! So if a muslim is mistreated and decides to drags the govt to court so u mean to tell me the govt. Would say this is how muslims behave in their country inthe court? No wonder the west finds blacks like yourself nuseating, who want to infects the west with their dark mentality of revenging crimes that are committed thousands of miles away on innocent individuals that are not responsible in anyway for such crimes! Next time when u cannot address a topic just learn to shut up and save me the stress of teaching u commmon sense!

If this was a schoool u just got schooled!
If this is a drum u just beaten!
If this is a can u just got kicked!

Why are you just making things up?. . .Where did I say any of the above?. . .Here was my reply to you. . .

mazaje:

the point is muslims should not complain since they do not allow others to practice their own religions freely in their own lands, the west does NOT want muslims to come and infect their societies with their own poisonous way of life. . .islam is not part of the western culture and they do not need it. . .Islam is completely against what they stand for and believe in. . .

You refuse to touch the point I made, instead you quickly went of tangent raving and looking for blood to spill. . .Well done. . .Islam is against the western tradition and way of life, they westerners to not need islam because the islamic culture is completely against their own culture. . .Islam is against everything their culture stands for as such they need to seriously limit the activities of muslims. . .

true2god: 'While the hindu man articulate his argument, the muslim man sharpen his sword'---Winston Churchill of Great Britain

EPIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. . . . . .

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usba: Daftttttttt! You can't even read, illiiterate niccur.
Op: hidden islam in italy . . .
Mazaje: muslims are being given treatment they give others in the ME
Usba: does the west now looks to muslim scholars to determine how they treat their citizens?
Mazaje: blabs one nonsense after another that doesn't address the simple question asked!

the point is muslims should not complain since they do not allow others to practice their own religions freely in their own lands, the west do NOT want muslims to come and infect their societies with their own poisonous way of life. . .islam is not part of the western culture and they do not need it. . .Islam is completely against what they stand for and believe in. . .