Expect vedaxcool to come and tell you how islam helped the ancient arabs. . .non of them can tell you specifically what islam has contributed to Nigeria or the black race as a whole. . .

Pastor Jo was busy trying to sell a piece of land inside the Atlantic ocean. . .

While you are busy bandying mythology and fiction on nairaland, doctors and other health worker are busy trying their best to save lives with the little they have at their disposal. . .

musKeeto:
Creation vs evolution and the origin of man.

My position is I don't know ohh. . .Don't know how humans came about and i am always willing to admit that I don't know. . . the reality is that it remains a mystery. . .But of the two processes presented in the OP i think evolution is more plausible. . .

musKeeto: I'm not good at writing epistles.

Can we have a little discussion on this?





Yeah, that's the OP.

plaetton, mazaje, wiegraf, joshthefirst

Am lost on the OP. . .In which context is the question being asked?.. .

TheBigUrban2:


lol....it was just a rumour that an ex-mod had cancer.

"We" say it at times to make things interesting

lol . . . .make things interesting indeed. . .

TheBigUrban2:


Well said.

But wait....who died? Your daughter or girlfriend?

His girl friend. . .Logic boy pls who on NL got cancer?. . .You once mentioned it. .

FOLYKAZE:

Lol

Mazaje doing everything to avoid his as s exposure.

Pantheism is simply Pan + theos which mean everything is God. In this sense, there substance of BELIEVE in God. One fascinitaing fact is that in some cultures, this God has variations, they are personified and plays a role. In other cultures, this Gods are prayed to, rituals are made for them, they are idolized, some mades it into sacred texts and accounts. A very good example is Mother Earth.

Atheism simple is No God/god. In this sense, an atheist DISBELIEVE in all God/gods. This mean to say that they have nothing to do wherever God is involve.

I wont deny the fact that atheist can be pantheist. This is the same reason we have christian atheism but this does not mean pantheism and atheism are the same.

- Pantheism deals with God. Atheism got no biz with God.

- Patheism defines God, atheism do not but touches all form of God.

- patheism believe, atheism disbelieve.

- patheism involves some spiritual activities like prayer, ritual and attaching roles to their God, atheism negate all of this.

- pantheism sees nature and the universe as God, atheism sees nature and universe as what it is. . . . No divinity whatsoever.


So tell me how are they the same?



Now that you have said atheism is the disbelieve in ONLY theistic God/gods. . . . . .do you mean to tell me pantheism is not form of theism?

Be specifc, what form of theism are you reffering to?

If you mean to say not all form of theism, do you realise that is no more atheism?

Let me just make it clear. . .

Pantheism: The belief that nature is god. No supernatural deity is involved in this. Everything in nature is god. . .

Theism: The belief in a personal god(s), generally described by different religious doctrines. This god(s) is/are a supernatural deities and is/are separate from nature, created and controls nature and have many other attributes(Omnipotent, omniscience, benevolent etc ). . .

How can atheism apply to pantheism when god simply isn't well defined, has no role, has no attributes and does nothing?. . .What is the role of god in pantheism?. . .does the have supernatural powers in pantheism for example?. . .i just want us to get some things straight. . .

FOLYKAZE:

So much I wish to ignore this, I think I wont give you the chance of shouting me down with your ignorance. The last time you did this was when you said panthiesm has no intake in christianity. I had to look away from it becuase that is not where are heading to. Simple google search can help you in cases like this. Just search and if nothing comes up, argue against me instead of embarrassing yourself here.


Here is an excerpt from http://www.pantheism.net/paul/

Pantheism has no place in christianity, stop going to bogus websites to get nonsense, we all know the role of god in christianity, christianity is e very monotheistic religion, any other claim about it being a pantheistic religion remains yours and also remains a lie. . .In the course of this discussion I have clearly given you the definition of god according to it and your only reply was that you know someone that says it also means energy, i really do not know what to do with that nonsense. . .From the link you posted it clearly talks about ow christianity is not a pantheistic religion. . .

The clearest biblical arguments against pantheism are the countless commands against idolatry. The Bible forbids the worship of idols, angels, celestial objects, items in nature, etc. If pantheism were true, it would not be wrong to worship such an object, because that object would, in fact, be God. If pantheism were true, worshipping a rock or an animal would have just as much validity as worshipping God as an invisible and spiritual being. The Bible’s clear and consistent denunciation of idolatry is a conclusive argument against pantheism

""The central philosophical scriptures of Hinduism are pantheistic. Many atheists and humanists may be naturalistic pantheists without realizing it.

To the rich history of Pantheism, represented by thinkers and readings from every tradition - from Hinduism, Buddhism and Taoism to ancient Greece, Rome, Islam and Christianity - and every age, from the sixth century BC to the present day. For completeness, some Christian, Moslem and Jewish panentheists have been included. Panentheists believe that God is greater than the universe, but is alsointhe universe and nature.""

another here http://www.gotquestions.org/pantheism.html

You seem to be all over the place, you did not even read the link you posted, it says the central philosophical scriptures of hinduism are pantheistic but they religion it self is not pantheistic but Panentheistsic. . .There is a difference btw pantheism and Panentheistism they are not the same. . . In pantheism there is no such thing as a personal deity. God is the same with the universe, humans are parts of it, but in Hinduism there is a personal god. . .Hindus worship god or many gods and consider them to be personal. .. How is Hinduism a pantheistic religion when it believe in personal deities and supreme beings?. . .

""Pantheism is the supposition behind many cults and false religions (e.g., Hinduism and Buddhism to an extent, the various unity and unification cults, and “mother nature” worshippers).""

Read more here http://naturalpantheist./2012/11/23/hindu-pantheism/

This is a false opinion of the writer, how again how is Hinduism a pantheistic religion when it advocates personal deities and supreme beings?. . .Where in the hindu doctrine does it claim that the earth is god or that the universe is god?. . .You just go about copying bogus claims from websites that don't even know what they are talking about. . .

Pls say us this your ignorant rants.

As you can read up there, Mother Nature is same thing as Mother earth which is a pantheist Goddess. In Yoruba,she is Orisha Iyale.

Read about it here http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Nature

she is being prayed to,rituals made to them and seen as Goddess in deffrent cultures and religion across the world.

The problem is no where in the link does it even suggest that mother earth is a pantheist goddess. . .You are just lying here again. . ,The linbk you posted actually talks about mother earth as one of the many gods of the Greek pantheon for example. .

Demeter would take the place of her grandmother, Gaia, and her mother, Rhea, as goddess of the earth in a time when humans and gods thought the activities of the heavens more sacred than those of earth.[2]

— Leeming, Creation Myths of the World: An Encyclopedia

Here it list mother earth as one of the many god in the Greek polytheist pantheon of gods and goddesses. . .

Another one from the link. . .

In Inca mythology, Mama Pacha or Pachamama is a fertility goddess who presides over planting and harvesting. Pachamama is usually translated as "Mother Earth" but a more literal translation would be "Mother Universe" (in Aymara and Quechua mama = mother / pacha = world, space-time or the universe).[6] Pachamama and her husband, Inti are the most benevolent deities and are worshiped in parts of the Andean mountain ranges, also known as Tawantinsuyu (stretching from present day Ecuador to Chile and Argentina).


here we see mother earth as one of the polytheist goddess. . .You are not even reading what you are posting. . .Now where does it even suggest that mother earth is a pantheistic god. . .Again my question still stands how is the earth a god in pantheism?. . .God to whom and what?. . .What role does mother earth play in pantheism, so far you have only posted a link that talks about the role mother earth plays among other polytheistic gods. . .

Will you as an atheist disbelieve in goddess (mother earth)?

Sure. . .If you explain the role mother earth plays, her attributes and if she is a personification of some things. . .But if you say that the earth is god, then an atheist can not disbelieve that. . .When you turn the role of earth as a mythical figure then an atheist can disbelieve in that. . .

Am not mad sir

At least he speaks some truths.

atheism is a lack of belief in god or gods. that includes spinoza's or pantheists.

If atheism is the disbelief in all God/gods, were you not the one that said disbelieve in pantheistic god is not making sense?

Wiegraf said an atheist that believe in god is confused. . . . .you believe in pantheists god therefore you are no more an atheist.

This is simple.

You call your self an atheist yet you also believe in the existence of some gods, what does that make you?. . .I don;t care about the opinion of wiegraf or logic boy. . .atheism doesn't have to be defined by you because you don't even know what you are saying. . .Pantheism doesn't apply to atheism because natural pantheist are atheist. . .The defination of god is very different, atheism can not apply to some definition of god, if you say the natural universe is god, atheism can not apply to it, but if you say that Brahma is a god that came from Buri and controls the whole world as a supreme being then atheism can apply to such a god idea. . .Some god ideas are meaningless when it comes to atheism. . You just want to drag this on and on. .I will not respond to this any more from now. . .

atheism simply is No God. Not no theism.

Pantheism is there is God.

How does this relate?

What is god in pantheism?. . .Which role does the universe play as god?. . .What are its attributes?. . .How does the universe as god affect humans?. . .What do you mean when you say the universe is god as a pantheist?. . .What does god mean in pantheism?. . .

true. But would be spiritual when prayer and others comes in.

A natural pantheist does not believe in prayer and spirituality. . .naturalism by definition discards and disregards spirituality. .What are you saying?. . .

Read little about mother earth, she has role.

According to polytheistic conceptions of god which your wikipideia entry talks about mother earth as a role among the other gods, polytheism is not pantheism. . .what role does mother earth play as a pantheist god?. .What is the role of mother earth as a pantheistic god?. . .

Then it is not more atheism.



When you believe in pantheist God, you are no more an atheist.


That is very simple.

What is god in pantheism?. . .The universe is god means what?. . .How is the universe god?. .What are the attributes of the universe as god? .what role does the universe play as god?...what do you mean when you say that the universe is god? When you provide answer to this question then I'll show you how atheism can not apply to pantheism. . .By the way you claim to believe in some gods yet you call your self an atheist are you not confused?. . .

munex007: Introduction



~THE DEVOLOPING OF HUMAN EMBRYO

What was written in the koran is not a radical departure from Galen when it comes to human embryology, it is different from it but not a radical departure and even the koran got it wrong as well. . .

Here is what is written in the koran. . .

1.Translation by Maulana Muhammad Ali : Then We make the life-germ a clot, then We make the clot a lump of flesh, then We make (in) the lump of flesh bones, then We clothe the bones with flesh, then We cause it to grow into another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators.

2.Translation by progressive muslims organization : Then We created the seed into an embryo, then We created the embryo into a fetus, then We created the fetus into bone, then We covered the bone with flesh, then We brought forth a new creation. So glory be to God, the best of creators.

3.Translation by Abdullah Yusuf Ali : Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!

In this ayha it's writes that bones appear before flesh but this is false. Go through the scientific links below and see the error of the koran. . . So the koran is wrong simple. . .

Sources :
1.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetus
2.http://www.dcdoctor.com/pages/rightpages_wellnesscenter/pregnancy/fetaldevelopmenmt.htm
3.http://www.babycenter.com/fetal-development-week-by-week

FOLYKAZE:

This is really pathetic.

Going by your logic. So because we have christian atheist, that mean atheism deals with christianity? Also because we have buddhist atheist who go on pilgrimage, believes in devas and all that mumbo jumbo makes atheism deals with buddhism (a religion in eartern country)?

You are very deluded. . there is nothing like christian atheist, it does not exist any where. . You are just deluded, so far you have been throwing and making things up looking for what will stick. . christain atheist is your own making and remains your own delusion. . .Nothing like that exist anywhere. . .Buddhism is an atheistic religion because it is a philosophy that has no god as its central tenet, most Buddhist are in fact atheist because Buddhism does not actually believe in god per say. it is a philosophy on how life should be lived. . .Buddhist do not believe in god as such the religion is an atheistic religion or a pantheist religion. . .

Do Buddhist believe in god?

No, we do not.

http://www.buddhanet.net/ans73.htm

Who told you this pantheist God do not have a role? Your ignorance wont give you a way to reason. . . . . Have I not listed Mother earth or your brain does not inform you the devas in hinduism and jainism have roles? Guy you are just bitter.

here you are again lying anyhow and making things up. . .

Jainism do not believe in any god.

Jainism and the divine

[i]Jains do not believe in a God or gods in the way that many other religions do, but they do believe in divine (or at least perfect) beings who are worthy of devotion.[/i]


http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/jainism/beliefs/god.shtml


. . .Hinduism is a a theistic religion that has a supreme god figure. . .Hinduism is NOT a pantheist religion stop making things up. . .

Hindus have a multitude of gods and goddesses that symbolize the one abstract Supreme Being or Brahman. The most fundamental of Hindu deities are the Trinity of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva

http://hinduism.about.com/od/godsgoddesses/tp/deities.htm

Hindus actually have a central supreme being they call god. . .It is NOT a pantheist religion stop making things up. .

. . .Mother earth is god meaning what?. . .What the hell is mother earth?. . .The earth is a planet. . .How is it god?. . .God in what sense?. . .What do you mean that the earth is god?. . .What role does the earth play as god?. . .The earth is god to whom and what?. . .

Answer my question or kindly tell me you are afraid of it. I am not the one chasing tail, but you are the one hiding yours under your leg. You were the one that said atheism in pantheism makes no sense. Logicboy said atheism is disbelieve in all God (pantheism included) while Wiegraf said Atheist that believe in God is confused. So deal with them and yourself.

So logic boys opinion is now fact?. . .Are you mad?. . .

Patheism is a believe in God (defined as universe).

Atheism is disbelieve in God. (all concept of God).

You keep lying, atheism does not deal with pantheism since pantheism does not define god in a way that the atheist can disbelief in it that is why many pantheist are atheist. . .Atheism only deals with theism and not pantheism, how many time have i told you that. . A natural pantheist is an atheist. . .Now let me tell you show you why the pantheist definition of god has no defined role. . .If the universe is god, what does it mean?. . .The universe is god to whom and what?. . .How is the universe god?. . .What does it mean when you say that the universe is god?. . .

Wiegraf said, an atheist believing in God is confused (you are an atheist believing in God (pantheist), also find this God very hard to disbelieve. If atheism is disbelieve in God, then believing in pantheist God is confusion like comrade wiegraf put it and it is no more atheism.

So in essense, are you telling me atheism disbelieve in Monotheistic God oNLY?

Atheism can only apply to the concept of theistic god and gods. . Not pantheistic god since the pantheistic god has no role and defined role. . You just keep jumping from one place to another including lying that some patheistic religions have gods when they clearly do not. . the universe exist. . .How can I disbelief in it?. . .A theistic god can Yahweh or the hindu goddes Shiva can be be disbelieved under theism based on their attributes. . .

FOLYKAZE:



How many time do you want me to say let this go? You are always find a reason to dodge my questions. . . . .you should be brave enough to provide answer and at least call my attention to whatever you perceive as unclear.

On naturalistic pantheism and spiritual atheism here is a link where the issue is touched. . . . .https://www.nairaland.com/1583749/there-atheists-here-oppose-gay#20736730




With due respect Mazaje, can you pls provide answer to my question. . . .




Atheism does not define what God is. . . .in essense they disbelief in all conception of God.

So are we specifically saying Atheism is a disbelief in monotheistc concept of God?

Yes : it is no more an atheism but anti-theism.

No : It is not making sense to be an atheist to pantheist God.



I have make the outline there. . .. Just choose.

Pls choose your answer only.

In have provided answer to you already and am tired of your incoherence. . .Atheism does not apply to pantheism because pantheism itself is atheism in some cases, i have gone all the way to provide scholarly opinion that states that considers atheism and pantheism to be the same or very closely related. . .Some atheist consider themselves to be pantheist...a naturalist pantheist is an atheist. . .Atheism makes sense only with theism and not pantheism since pantheism is closely related to atheism, if you don't understand that then i can not help you. . .

Image123:

These words are powerful, not empty. You're free to connect any victim of sickness to these words and thread, that is where my mouth is.

They remain empty words since they can't heal anybody with ebola anywhere. .

macof:

Yes, they but don't misunderstand the meaning of "being"
Because "being" is simply One that has consciousness to the degree of forming a personality, essence or nature.

Are the representation of these beings conscious? Is iron conscious? Does ogun reside inside iron? Can ogun act or do anything on its own? How can his actions be objectively tested?

FOLYKAZE:

This has been touched. I even created a sperate thread on this subject. It is not an issue.


Naturalistic pantheist is also a spiritual atheist. . . . . .and when you look at it from within, an aborisha also. Just different name.


What they do is define God as natural element and univers.

Atheism does not define what God is. . . .in essense they disbelief in all conception of God.


So are we specifically saying Atheism is a disbelief in monotheistc concept of God?

Yes : it is no more an atheism but anti-theism.

No : It is not making sense to be an atheist to pantheist God.



Hope you get me here? What do you choose?

What is naturalism and what is spiritualism?. . .You are really confused. . .How can you say that a naturalist pantheist is a spiritual atheist?. . .naturalism has nothing to do with spiritualism. .

Here is the dictionary definition of naturalism in philosophy which is what we are concerned about. . .

naturalism:

Philosophy.
the view of the world that takes account only of natural elements and forces, excluding the supernatural or spiritual.
the belief that all phenomena are covered by laws of science and that all teleological explanations are therefore without value.

A naturalist pantheist can NOT be said to be a spiritual atheist because naturalism disregards and excludes spiritualism. . .My brother you are just every where making things up. . .A naturalist pantheist is an atheist simple. . .Atheism has no meaning in pantheism. . .It does not apply to it. . .

FOLYKAZE:

Do you want us to define divinity?

And all you are just saying are not adding up. I didnt say pantheism isnt pholosophical but I said it has theological philosophy aspect. The quote you provided as religion in it. You even mentioned jainism which is a religion. So why would you tell me this has nothing to do about religion?

Let that go. . . . . .can you answer those two questions for once pls? This dodging game is unacceptable.


Mr, I am not saying thiestic definition is wrong or unacceptable, all I am saying is atheism is disbelieve in God (all conception of God). But you seem to lean only to theistic conception. In this sense, you are no more an atheist but a confused dude hanging around an identity which is not yours.. Because in other conception, you will believe in God e.g pantheistic God or spinoza's god.

Secondly, logicboy has said an atheist would disbelieve in all God (pantheism, or deism). You agreed atheism is not making sense when placed with pantheism, so in essense, are you saying Atheism is the disbelieve in monotheistic God/gods ONLY?

You are just running around chasing your tail. atheism does not deal with pantheism because there are atheist pantheist. . .atheism deals mostly with theism and not pantheism if you do not understand that then I can not help you. . .I have shown you that some types of pantheism is actually atheism, a naturalistic pantheist is an atheist(no divine beings, the natural world is all that exist and nothing more which is be said to be god). . .The pantheistic god can be anything, it is not well defined and has no role that separates it from the natural world. . .If my car is god then how can i disbelieve that?. . .If my urine is god then how can i disbelieve that?. . .If a dead decomposing rat is god how can I disbelief that?. . .Atheism has no meaning in pantheism. That is why there are atheist pantheist and many scholars have stated that atheism and pantheism are closely related. .You are just claiming ignorance and chasing your tail insisting that atheism must be what you want it to be which is actually a delusion on your part. . .. . .

GeneralShepherd: I don't want to die. It's depressing sometimes I don't blame theists for hoping on eternity.

It's the depressing nature of life and the fact that most don't get to actualize their dreams that makes people dream up the idea of eternity. . .It is a very fine idea even though it wishful thought. . .Reincarnation, life after death are all wishful thoughts. . .Its sad for we humans to accept that everything ends after death, its actually depressing so we invent ideas about living after we die just to placate our minds. . .

FOLYKAZE:

Platteon claimed to be pantheist atheist. Call him. . . .


I am a spiritual atheist.

Doesn't matter. . .There are pantheist atheist and scholars like Schopenhauer have stated that “Pantheism is only a euphemism for atheism". . .Not that I completely agree with him, but sometimes its hard to differentiate between pantheism and atheism. . .A naturalistic pantheist for example is no different from an atheist. . .

FOLYKAZE:

Atheism disbelieve in God.

Pantheism believe in God defined as Universe.

How is thie brothers and sisters?

You are a pantheist atheist, so how are they not brothers and sisters?. . .

FOLYKAZE:



Patheistic God have roles. They are divine and conscious. To spinoza, they have thoughts and to Einstein, they play dice. . . Lol

You are confused. . .How can you say the universe as a whole be god for example and then claim that some pantheistic gods have roles and are divine? Is your urine divine?. . .How do you know that? What does it mean for a urine to be divine since urine is god?. . .Is the decomposing body of a rat divine. . .The decomposing body of a rat is god, so how is it divine?. . .What do you mean by divine?. . .

You wont like it bloody turn out if I bring in Naturalistic pantheism (Yoruba spirituality) into this.

Mr, I am not saying thiestic definition is wrong or unacceptable, all I am saying is atheism is disbelieve in God (all conception of God). But you seem to lean only to theistic conception. In this sense, you are no more an atheist but a confused dude hanging around an identity which is not yours.. Because in other conception, you will believe in God e.g pantheistic God or spinoza's god.

Secondly, logicboy has said an atheist would disbelieve in all God (pantheism, or deism). You agreed atheism is not making sense when placed with pantheism, so in essense, are you saying Atheism is the disbelieve in monotheistic God/gods ONLY?



Egbon this what I asked of you. . . . .

Man up and answer them.

Atheism only applies to theism and not pantheism because pantheism as stated by many scholars is a form of atheism. . .Pantheistic religions like janism for example is called an atheistic religion. . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism
As a religious position, pantheism has been described as the polar opposite of atheism.[4] From this standpoint, pantheism is the view that everything that exist is part of an all-encompassing, immanent God.[1] All forms of reality may then be considered either modes of that Being, or identical with it.[6] Other scholars hold that pantheism is a philosophical position closely related to atheism. To them, pantheism is the view that the Universe and God are identical or the same.[7]

I am afraid of death simply because of the fact that everything ends after death. . .The thought of everything ending after death is what i find depressing. . .I am not afraid of what will happen to me after i die. . .death exist only when i don't. . .As for life, i think i have been fulfilled. . was lucky to be born into a very rich home with lots of privileges that i have utilized to my benefit. . i have lived out a lot of my fantasies. . .my s e x u a l fantasies have been lived out(still living it though). . .I have seen a lot of things. . .Been there done that. . But still wanting more or wanting the status quo to remain and never wanting less. . .Life to me is a mystery. . .I am afraid of dying(the process) but I am not afraid of death or what will come after. . .If i die many people will miss me, my family will miss me for extended period , some friends will miss me for extended period of time as well and my employees will miss me (mostly because i am their main source of income). if i die their source of income will be shaken a little or cut short so they'll miss me cos of that if not for anything else (I try my best to be a good boss and employer).

If I die I want my body to be used for medical research. . .I don't want to be buried. . .But i want my body to be used to add knowledge to mankind. . .

krayzieklay:
Salute..... Atheism and Pantheism are just like brothers with same ideas but different concepts. Maybe that's y they tend to go along with each other pretty well. So for him to label himself as an atheistic pantheist is not surprising. But for him to say most atheists are confused, his brain needs to be checked.

Pantheism is sexed-up atheism according to Richard Dawkins. . . .

FOLYKAZE:

Drink it when it is purified naturally or artificially.

Urine is one of the manifestation of Yemoja.


Atheism , theism and pantheism is centered round Theos (god). . . .

Theism is a believe of at least a God. It doesnot involve how many and cares not how God is defined.

Pantheism is believe in God defined as the universe.

Atheism, disbelieve in God (no God whatever even it pantheist or theist. . . .logicboy confirmed this).

Mazaje, atheism makes no sense when God is defined (pantheistically).

Mazaje also confused (do not know where atheism covers . . . .either monotheism only all all-theism).




And Goodnight

You are just all over the place my friend, atheism has nothing to do with pantheism because pantheism has no definition of god, god has no defined role in pantheism. . .Everything that exist is god to the pantheist as such atheism can not be said to go against that. . .You just don';t want to accept that just as you refused to accept the theistic definition of god, to you only what makes sense to you is what is true, you said you are an atheist but a pantheist at the same time. . .That is only possible because atheism has nothing to do with pantheism, why are you not an atheist monotheist or a polytheist but an atheistic pantheist for example?. . .Because atheism has nothing to do with pantheism since pantheism describes god as the universe it self or some other aspects of the universe with no defined roles. . .A river can be god to the pantheist, the sun can be god, sand can be god. . .When you fully define your god and how it operate then we will be able to look at it and see how true it is. . .For example if you tell me that a tree is god and the tree has the ability to protect people then we can look at that claims and see if its true or not, god under pantheism makes no sense since everything is said to be god and god has not even been defined or given any role. . .Under pantheism I am god. . What does that mean?. . .A decaying rat is god. . .My urine is god. . .My car is god. . .Your house is god. .Everything is god. . What exactly does god mean and what role does it play?. . .By the way scholars have stated that pantheism is a non religious philosophical position, so atheism which is mostly against religions theism has nothing on it. . .Pantheism is only a philosophical position and it is mostly non religious. . .Pantheism is considered by many to be a form of atheism. . .

FOLYKAZE:

Atheism is about theos (greek) which mean God; and atheism from it root mean 'no God'. Pantheism has to do with God while atheism is the disbelieve in God.

In panthiesm, atheism makes no sense. . . .that is what you said.

If atheist cant define his God and separate it from pantheism, it is no more making sense.

Also, if atheism disbelieve in one God with the exception of one God, it is no more atheism. . . .but confusion.




Actually you took double role. . . .no sense at all and confused.





And why did you ignore my question in the previous post?

Pantheism has to do with everything. . If you say the universe is god then you are talking about everything. . .The universe isn't a single entity but the sum total of everything including your urine. . .God in pantheism has no real meaning. . .Atheism only applies to theism because theism has a well defined god and places a role for it. . .In pantheism god has no defined role and means nothing. anything can be god with no clear meaning or role. . When you say your urine is god(in pantheism urine is god) what am i to do with that?. . .

TheBigUrban2:



God is a label that pantheists use to ascribe the divine to anything they want.

If they want consciousness to be divine, they claim "God is the sum total of consciousness"
If they want the universe to be divine, the claim "God is the sum total of everything"
If they want energy to be divine, they claim "God is all energy"


It is the second and third statements that get me. God is everything and God is energy.....Well, that means that God is in sheit.......yes there is chemical energy from sheit (faeces).

Sure, to the pantheists the body of a decomposing rat is god since there is chemical energy and activity going on in the decomposing body of a rat. . .God is everything means god is nothing. . .

Pls stop all thse empty words that have no place and action in reality. . .If all these empty words you have been throwing around are true there will be no ebola today. . .Can you put your money where you mouth is and test all the jargon you have been typing?. . .Did Jesus not say that those of you that believe in him will do greater things than he did?. . .Can you lay your hands on an ebola patient and heal the patient?. . .Stop throwing empty words around and do some actions. . .Jesus died to defeat ebola , yet ebola is ravaging people?. . .

TheBigUrban2: Funny enough, no one can truly define pantheism.....I googled the sheit for more light and I am still confused.

Pantheism is a crock of crap...claiming that the universe or consciousness is God....it then branches into either being a personal or impersonal God.


Nonsense. Pantheists are confused

Our brother keeps shouting that energy is god. . God as in what?. . .What do they mean by consciousness is god?. . .What is god to the pantheist?. . .

FOLYKAZE:


The bold is actually what I wanted to pick out.



And can we conclude definition of atheism should be disbelieve in monothiestic and deistic concept of God/gods with the exception of polytheistic, pantheistic, Animism, Autotheism, Pandeism, or Panentheism conception of God/god ?? (the one milla question lol)

From my observation, most claiming to be an atheist here are anti-theism and anti- (organise) religion group, dystheist or maltheist. This is the reason why I said most of them are confused.

And again, like muskeeto would say, disbelieve in christian or muslim God does not make one an atheist. No need bringing another fight pls. . . .I will let this slide.


Many things are not adding up with what atheism stand for. I very sure you know this and pls just tighten it to your belt, I go tie you down with that in another time.

Not to derail, enjoy man.

Just to make it clear, atheism is against theism not pantheism. . .Pantheism and theism are not the same(you wrongly assume they are the same). . .atheism has nothing against pantheism but theism. . .You seem to be the one that is confused bro. . .

FOLYKAZE:

No you got me wrong mister. And this is the reason we got no where. Right I understand this thread is specific for (material) atheist and many would rather turn blind for being spiritual atheist instead of reasoning along with me. I am not here to start debate or engage in endless discussion. Also not here to derail. . . .and if I did, accept my apology pls. So we are man enough to reason with ourselves.


Considering what you have there, I didnt say anywhere theistic/monotheistic definition is wrong or false. Neither did I say the deistic definition you brought here is wrong too. I havent on this thread said panthiesm definition is correct more than others. One of my point is atheism covers ALL conception of God.

In one conception, God is define as Adored, admired or influencial person. So to speak, will an atheist likely say this influencial person in conceptual form of God does not exist?


Let me put it clearer, will an atheist disbelieve in the existence of God (influencial person)?

Going by the case you have up there, are you specifically saying atheism is disbelieve ONLY in monotheistic God? What happens to poytheistic God, pantheistic and other theistic Gods?


I hope you understand me now and would appreciate your answers to those questions.



Thanks

Let me be clear, by god I am specifically referring to the god of mnotheism as a former believer in the monotheistic god, which most atheist here are I believe because most of us were either christians or muslims, that is the concept of god i was talking about. . .Majority of the people here are theist(monotheist to be specific).

Atheism has no place in pantheism, it makes no sense since according to to pantheism the universe or man can be god. . .Atheism can only work against theism(poly and monotheism) or deism. . .Pantheism believes that all that exist is god so atheism can not be against that. . .I just do not support you when you forcefully try to claim that a monotheistic religion like christianity supports your pantheism. . .its NOT true. You know that very well. . .You also know that I am talking specifically about the monotheistic god, i gave you the general and standard definition which you refused to accept and claimed i made it up. . .Atheism can not be against all god concepts. in pantheism atheism makes no sense. . .