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Please someone tell me one thing this administration can be proud of in the last 4yrs

Amnesty in ND
road map to power supply
successful elections in Ekiti et al
infact too many to list.

all these IBB supporters have come again

AjanleKoko:
Wrong. It's the one you would least expect to exhibit such tomfoolery.
Shows that the bestial nature of most Nigerians can't just be tamed easily.

just saw this.
i guess i am right.
meanwhile, oga, check your box, i mailed you.

oyb:
i am sure na glo

glo is the most unprofessional of all the telco majors

I doubt it is Glo.
I know one of the Telcos that does that on a regular basis.
Sometimes the guy is already acting in the position yet they get poor folks to travel from distant locations to attend meaningless interviews.

no players is bigger than the club,
my arse.
Except the club has an ace up its sleeves, then it is obvious that a 24 yr old illiterate scouser is truly in charge of the club.
I wonder what this will do to team morale.
Destabilise the team, criticise your teammates, betray the trust of your manager, hold the club to ransom over wages = rewarded with a new 5-year contract.
This is a sad sad day for the game we all love.
what a joke football is becoming.

So then Wayne is placated with a massive wage rise. What happens next, has the wage structure been blown apart? Will Fergie see his transfer budget reduced cos that money has to come from somewhere.

How will fans react to his next missed sitter or if his form does not return pronto?

I can't believe he was smart enough to have staged a coup but his agent/adviser is. Whats his cut?
Agents are the scum of the earth and ruining modern day football.
There has been only one winner in this whole silly drama;
PAUL STRETFORD.

Sometimes i just love Evra.
No bullshitting;
Others seemed to feel personally let down, Patrice Evra saying: "If one player does not trust the other players, that player should not play."

StarBoard:
@nateevs,
It's all about the Benjamins for Rooney.
The "ambition" thing is holding as much water as a basket in a stream.It makes no sense to claim a club under a manager with 40+ senior titles cannot match his ambition.When he became the manager to decide what ambition is is what I don't know.

i think we are discounting the horrible influence of Paul Stretford.
This is going to be the biggest move of Rooney's career (or so they hope).
Some of these players are utterly dependent on their managers and these managers often do not have their best interests at heart.

tkb417:
SAF is talking

lol. has this scenerio happened b4? YES!

have players questioned SAFs recruitment policy?

Did some people say UTD wouldnt win with kids many years ago? (The kids then are the heros now)

hahaha, UTD looks like a club that will be here forever. UTD is the Madrid of England

I dont see no death

you have a point but the point is you are ignoring and the difference at this point in time is that the Glazers have saddled the club with so much debt that makes it difficult to be competitive at the highest level of transfers.
In the past we had youth and were still able to bring in the best alongside them.
Now it seems we can only bring in the youth and like SAF says the youth are a long term gamble.
What happens in the interim is the big worry because the game has been so monetized that the rule of the game is 'spend or die trying'.Even Arsene Wenger with all his youth knows that.
Without these Americans we were able to compete for the best while also bringing in the youngsters but now ,
I am not too worried about Rooney, i am more irritated by thr accompanying drama we have to put up with.
There is an emergency meeting today, i hope something comes out of it.
We can do without this distraction.

tkb,
give me an add to send some stuff to you.
one finance related stuff that i guess is for your kind (finance/accounting biased).
obviously strictly united.
a very detailed analysis of the whole finance of the club.
very detailed and objective.

"I met with David Gill [United's chief executive] last week and he did not give me any of the assurances I was seeking about the future squad," Rooney said. "I then told him that I would not be signing a new contract.
We could all do without these lies.
He already indicated that he would not sign since August.

tkb417:
and this is what SAF and Gill told you our lineup would be?

laffable. I dont think you werent high when you posted this

1) VDS would not be told to go until a replacement is found

2) SAF openly said like a month ago, the possibilities of buying 2/3 marquee signings is about 90% next season cos he feels Scholes and Giggs wont be there

3) I expect Rooney to be replaced by a Rooney-like figure

4) The owners/managers of UTD are not sleeping and its not by accident the team has been competitive b4 you were born and even till after you leave this earth. The team is on auto pilot and your posits on our likely first 11 looks like a beer parlour analysis

5) UTD would spend heavy even if the team would run into a loss for the fiscal year in question

6) Rooneys transfer fees isnt budgeted for and is not gonna be swallowed by any debt. The mechanisms for servicing the debt is CLEAR and i do not see why UTD faithfuls would b worried.
we can only be worried when the clubs cashflow cannot maintain the club. as it is, that cannot happen in our lifetime

my man, i high small o! in no go lie.
na the O'Shea there they make you vex?
it is impossible for the team to remain as posted above.even kuscack might be on his way when a better replacement for  VDS comes in.

on a more serious note, the number 5 point above is seriously flawed.I doubt the Glazers have the means for that.
the mechanism for the debt is seriously based on continued success on the field.
Continued success is based on spendings.
Why they have refused to sanction this in the short term is the worrying part.
Every true united fan wishes that January comes tomorrow and this Rooney drama comes to an end.
The club was there before Rooney and would be there after him, i just wish this drama ends.

tkb417:
@Dudu
yeah, i know Evertons are supposed to earn some percentages if we sell him but i dont know the specifics

I dont think UTD are gonna make money from this but if UTD really wanna damn the guy, they put him on the bench from now till Summer

and oh yeah, he can then buy out his contract for a paltry 5milla

Will UTD do that? i doubt it

like u said, its a bad omen and the sooner it clears the better for UTD. He shd be allowed to leave if possible this night

25% of anything above 27million pounds

??

In the space of 2 years Utd will have lost the services of the following 11 players with negligible replacements:

Van Der Sar
Foster

Wes Brown (also fallen out with Fergie and likely to leave in January.Chamo, any word on this?)
Rio (how long till his back packs in for good?)
Neville
Scholes
Giggs
Hargreaves
Rooney
Tevez
Ronaldo

Those 11 players are better than what's been left behind. So looking at the starting XI for next season it no longer has championship potential for the first time since 91.

, Kuzchack,
Rafael, Vidic, Evans, Evra(O'Shea )
, Fletcher, Carrick, Anderson,
, Obertan, Nani,
, Berbatov,

The look and demeanor of Fergie yesterday gave the impression he knows this is the end of an era. Rooneys tranfer fee will be swalled up by the debt.every united fan ought to be worried.

That was Sir Alex Ferguson yesterday, and, right down to the tabloid exposés, it was also David Moyes, in August 2004, when Everton's manager faced up to the 18-year-old "once a blue, always a blue" prodigy leaving for Manchester United.

"The club gave him the opportunity to come into football," Moyes said then. "I have a great relationship with Wayne. I have been in regular discussions with Wayne's advisers and we were getting closer on the new contract. [But] Wayne and his advisers have now told me their preference would be to leave. I'm so disappointed."

Ferguson said yesterday: "We've always been there as a harbour for him. There has been no falling out. David [Gill] had opened talks with Wayne's agent, and that was to be continued after the World Cup. Then David had a call from his agent saying that Wayne wasn't going to sign his contract. I'm very disappointed."

The agent who orchestrated Rooney's move then, and is orchestrating it now, is Paul Stretford, the former vacuum cleaner salesman with the chequered career in football, and now heading for another almighty pay day. Rooney, the boyhood Everton fan and player who had pledged his life to the Blues, made himself a red on transfer deadline day, 31 August 2004. The £20m United paid and £50,000 per week salary Stretford negotiated for him made Stretford an initial £1m, rising to £1.5m if Rooney stayed at United for five years. Now, he has.

Stretford has always known this next contract of Rooney's, for the mature five years of a footballer's liftetime, from the age of 25 to 30, ought to dwarf that fee, and be the most lucrative of both their careers and, very likely, ever in English football.

The lengths Stretford went to sign Rooney in the first place emerged in a series of dragged-out hearings which culminated in him being described as an unreliable witness in Warrington crown court, banned by the Football Association from acting as an agent for nine months and fined £300,000 for breaches of the agents' code of conduct.

The very day Rooney scored a sensational hat-trick on his United debut in the Champions League against Fenerbahce, 28 September 2004, the Crown Prosecution Service dropped its case against three men accused of blackmailing Stretford.

The three, associates of Rooney's first agent, Peter McIntosh, had been accused of making unwarranted demands with menaces of Stretford, for a slice of the Rooney earnings, after the teenage Evertonian left McIntosh and first signed for Proactive. Stretford had said he did not poach Rooney, that he agreed first to represent the player for image rights alone – understood to be paying a commission of 20% – in July 2002.

He said he then waited until Rooney's contract with McIntosh expired in December that year. However, in court it emerged that Stretford's July 2002 contract stated that he would represent Rooney fully as a player, for eight years, a breach of the rule that players can be signed for a maximum of two. Then they signed a further one, again for Rooney to be represented as a player, in September 2002.

StarBoard:
@mbulela,
Evertonians felt bad because Rooney was home-grown.I guess it was inevitable he would move given he was such so talented at such a young age.
However why it hurts Manchester United fans is because not long ago he was pledging his love for United.
I agree loyalty in football is a lost virtue,but truth is,Rooney basically kicked United fans in the groin area and trampled on their nuts while they were on the floor.No one asked him to indulge with love-peddlers,the basic reason why his form is so wretched.His off-the-field antics are a nothing short of a disgrace not only to United but to the game in general.What he's done is introduce unwanted turmoil,for whatever reason in United's season,and he should thank his lucky stars he's injured,cus the way he's acted,the fans will make his life miserable.If he attempted to win a war of wills with FErgie,then he's particularly daft.

it is the same thing.
He used to tell Evertonians, 'once a blue, always a blue'.
so when he left, no amount of money could assuage their hurt and United fans were laughing at Evertonians
Like the average footballer, the guy is daft.
The only one he listens to is Paul Stretford.
you can count the footballers i respect on one hand.all these money spoilt illiterates will not wreck my soul.
Whatever he wants to do, he should do quick and let us sort out the outcome.
He should go in January, can't stand this till the summer.

Thanks Jarus.

I am perplexed at how Jarus is being derided for airing an opinion on Ribadu.
How can we be seen to be muscling constructive criticism in an open society?
And we are holding up sycophancy as a model of follower-ship.
This is the same attitude that got us in this mess and emboldens men like IBB in the present dispensation.

tkb417:
His presence in that team will bring negatives

I am one of the fans who feel insulted, embarrassed and shocked to read what the guy is up to

imagine all the things the team has endured cos of him. May his metatarsal start malfunctioning right from the day he leaves our club

whoever buys him is buying another Owen Hargreaves IJN

he'll fade into oblivion

obo lagido

you can begin to imagine what everton fans felt for years and some still feel.
[quote author=Mr_TA link=topic=443065.msg6976716#msg6976716 date=1287560782]I personally still hope he stays. He can still be a very important player for us. And I really dont think we'll get much money for him if we sell. I reckon we'll be lucky to get £25M considering he's got 18months left of his contract.He's worth alot more than to us especially commercially. Im optimistic it will get resolved but if it doesnt, I trust SAF to keep the team challenging. Onward and upwards.[/quote]that is the major crux of the matter.
in today's market and with real, city and barca having bottomless pit of cash, 25 will not buy you much.
in january and in the summer we need major purchases and proven one at that not all this hit and miss bebe, obertan and smalling buys.
we have enough talent now we need proven quality.
no matter the lies Gill and fergie are telling, there is no money.
this might only get worse before they get better.
[quote author=Mr_TA link=topic=443065.msg6976716#msg6976716 date=1287560782]I personally still hope he stays. He can still be a very important player for us. And I really dont think we'll get much money for him if we sell. I reckon we'll be lucky to get £25M considering he's got 18months left of his contract.He's worth alot more than to us especially commercially. Im optimistic it will get resolved but if it doesnt, I trust SAF to keep the team challenging. Onward and upwards.[/quote]i am not optimistic and a major reason is that SAF seems to be at his wits end with the lad.
I am one of those who wonder if we have not just seen the best of his talents.
His physique and lifestyle do not bode well.
However if you had like 24 months left on his contract, you could sell big but with only 18 months i doubt it.
If fergie had hope in the situation, he would not have spoken candidly like he did yesterday.
The man is the master of the dark art but even he is tired in this case.
He better have someone in the bag before he sells.

NO MORE RUMOURS, SIR ALEX HAS SPOKEN!!!!

Transcript of interview on MUTV;

[b]After all we've heard and read, it would be interesting to hear your point of view. Let's start with where it all began and the question of was Wayne injured?

Yes, he was injured. We sent him for a scan and while he was able to train, he was still carrying traces of his injury. Why he was saying he wasn't injured, you can only guess yourself. It's disappointing. When it came to the Sunderland game, I felt I would leave him out and give him a complete break so he could be fit for England. I thought if he went and played for England, at Wembley, we would get his form back. That was my intention, that was my idea, to galvanise him. Take a break from the games, get the training done, get his fitness back. Get rid of the traces of the ankle injury away and play for England. So why he's come out and said that, I've no idea.

Have you fallen out?

We've never had any argument, not a bit. I think you have to understand the mechanics of these situations when people want to leave the club. It's an easy one to say he's fallen out with the manager, a very easy one to say. I think there are traces of that too.

We're now hearing that he doesn't want to sign a new contract. What is the situation with his contract negotiations?

That is true. David [Gill, the chief executive] in the early part of the summer had opened talks with his agent. And that was to be continued after the World Cup. I was in the office on 14 August when David told me he'd had a call from his agent saying that Wayne wasn't going to sign his contract. So then David came across to see me. He said he couldn't believe it and neither could I. I was dumbfounded, I couldn't understand it at all because only months before he'd said he was at the biggest club in the world and he wanted to stay for life. We just don't know what's changed the boy's mind. David was shocked, I was shocked.

I had a meeting with the boy and he reiterated what his agent had said. He wanted to go. I said to him, 'Just remember one thing: respect this club.' I don't want any nonsense from you, respect your club. What we're seeing now in the media is disappointing because we've done everything we can for Wayne Rooney, since the minute he's come to the club. We've always been there as a harbour for him. Any time he's been in trouble, the advice we've given him – I've even been prepared to give him financial advice, many times. But you do that for your players, not just Wayne Rooney. That's Manchester United. This is a club which bases all its history and its tradition on the loyalty and trust between managers and players and the club. That goes back to the days of Sir Matt [Busby]. That's what it's founded on. Wayne's been a beneficiary of this help, just as Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes and all the players have been. That's what we're there for.

There's been no falling out. That's why we need to clarify the situation now for our fans. Because what we saw on Saturday was unacceptable. When we were at 2-2 and the fans were chanting for Wayne Rooney, it put pressure on the players and it didn't do any good for the team. So we've got to clarify the situation and try to do it right. There's no [specific] offer on the table for Wayne [at the moment] because they're not prepared to listen to an offer. But there's always an offer there for Manchester United to negotiate with a player. That's still there.[/b]

sillyboy:
@ Topic.

Na my head catch am!. . . .for robbing me of $25 when she came to NJ (August) for the premiere of that silly movie . . .(Omo Ghetto) and her silly "rass" birthday party.

she only showed the movie for less than 20 minutes and she started dancing owambe!

Thanks to d robbers. . . . god bless you.

you harsh o!

Beaf:
Next time, don't comment on my intelligence or go personal, so you don't have to call yourself an !diot again. My political conviction cannot be bullied out of me.

By the way, the challenge is still open; post at least one thread where you have actually analysed something, not just condemned and abused. Or have you come to the same conclusion I have that you lack the power or skills to analyse and only abuse and condemn? Funny guy, a lot of Nigerians feel that being loud and abusive is intelligence. Shame.

Have you looked in the mirror, recently?

Beaf:
A million and one !diots might not like my political persuasion, in fact some like yourself do not see value in my arguments (specifically because they are !diots).
Please cut out the crap, the average fool always tries to overeach himself and comment on other peoples intelligence, whilst avoiding any analysis of the topic at hand.

Strangely, I have never seen you analyse anything on NL, all I've seen you do is condemn and abuse. Perhaps you think never having the courage to take up a position is intelligence, or you imagine that condemning everything around without proffering solutions is couragous.
You are seriously mistaken. People like you have no place analysing others. Turn your faulty radar on yourself.

Only idiots trade insults online probably because they feel insecure in the real world.
That is way beneath me.
I am not available for such childish antics and tantrums.
Go find your mates or play with your toys.

netotse:
not exactly. . .obj had a plan in 2005 or something, it was good, but it wasn't as good as GEJs roadmap.

Okay but even if OBJ's own was executed in full, we would have made lots of progress.
The problem has always been staying the course (Power solution will be a marathon not a sprint) and a will to bulldoze all in its way.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=534775.msg6974550#msg6974550 date=1287521195]Can the moderators lock this thread until the full investigation is done?
It will be so terrible to dirty up such a prestigious man's name like this. I hope you all know that foreigners also read NL.
So what if he's later found innocent? How do you all intend to clean up his name in your own ways?
We're talking about a man that is well know, amongst Africa's best.
Forget about his tribe, think about how this will affect you too.
I dont want any of my investors to look down on me because I'm Nigerian for God's sake.[/quote]you remember the 'Nneka the thief 'thread recently.
goggle Nneka the singer and that thread comes up in the pile.
The internet is a funny place indeed.

But on another note, i found it distressing that a 'prominent' scientist like him has little or no publications available online.
Is he not peer-reviewed?
Is racism exclusive to him alone?

Having access to a license for SciFinder, a piece of software that allows one to see all published scientific work from every corner of the globe since the beginning of the 20th century, this writer did a search with the name "Emeagwali." Just four results were obtained, all in reference to the work of Dale Emeagwali, who happens to be Philip Emeagwali's wife, a scientist herself. What this means is that Philip Emeagwali has no published scientific work in peer-reviewed journals. Yet on his website, he is called the "greatest scientist of African descent."

something is truly fishy. I am still on the fence.

Beaf:
Ribadu speaks worse English and has less charisma than GEJ. That is not debatable. GEJ can put a big vision forward (eg power supply), while Ribadu has repeatedly floundered at every single question in every interview. In fact, all of his interviews have been bloody alarming.

[b]Make no mistake about it though, Ribadu is a man of the future, he is just a rough diamond whose only real error is lack of experience outside a uniform, he needs to sort that out and learn to operate in a civilian World where nothing happens "immediately," (a word he uses too often). The rest of his mistakes stem from that lack of civilian experience, get him a four-year stint as a senator or rep and see the difference.

Ribadu's inexperience shows itself in more than one way; the scariest however, is the way he allowed himself to be bamboozled into the top hierarchy of politics by a willy old fox, Bola Tinubu. It is widely known that Tinubu has several open criminal files, most opened by Ribadu himself. It is arguable that Tinubu does not care about an ACN presidency as much as he cares about neutralising the man who gave him such grief. In talking Ribadu into the plum job, Tinubu has insured himself against any trial in which Ribadu will be a witness of any weight.

Ribadu’s second display of inexperience is his willingness to talk down PDP, where he and the likes of El-Rufai stand to gain most from the defeat of the old Northern forces. After that task is completed, the mantle of Northern leadership would fall naturally into the laps a younger, progressive breed. But where will Ribadu be, in limbo? A newbie in Ribadu's shoes shouldn't talk down any political party.

Right now, Ribadu is headed nowhere. He is simply Tinubu’s latest get out of jail card and expensive plaything. Anyone arguing against my assertion will do better asking why Ribadu is never well prepared for any interview; it seems Tinubu and ACN are pretty relaxed about the prospect of their representative appearing to be a bumbling wreck and slowly self-destructing. Why? Other political parties would get interview questions before hand and get their candidate groomed and well prepared. Why not ACN?

I hope Ribadu can see the trap he has fallen into and back out.[/b]

When you are not doing this sychophantic GEJ PR job of yours, you are actually an intelligent chap.
look at how well you analysed Ribadu (whether you are right or wrong is another different matter entirely).
I wonder why you do not engage this same intelligence in analysing GEJ?
I dare you to write objectively on GEJ as you just did on Ribadu.

Beaf:
Ribadu speaks worse English and has less charisma than GEJ. That is not debatable. GEJ can put a big vision forward (eg power supply), while Ribadu has repeatedly floundered at every single question in every interview. In fact, all of his interviews have been bloody alarming.

Make no mistake about it though, Ribadu is a man of the future, he is just a rough diamond whose only real error is lack of experience outside a uniform, he needs to sort that out and learn to operate in a civilian World where nothing happens "immediately," (a word he uses too often). The rest of his mistakes stem from that lack of civilian experience, get him a four-year stint as a senator or rep and see the difference.

Ribadu's inexperience shows itself in more than one way; the scariest however, is the way he allowed himself to be bamboozled into the top hierarchy of politics by a willy old fox, Bola Tinubu. It is widely known that Tinubu has several open criminal files, most opened by Ribadu himself. It is arguable that Tinubu does not care about an ACN presidency as much as he cares about neutralising the man who gave him such grief. In talking Ribadu into the plum job, Tinubu has insured himself against any trial in which Ribadu will be a witness of any weight.

Ribadu’s second display of inexperience is his willingness to talk down PDP, where he and the likes of El-Rufai stand to gain most from the defeat of the old Northern forces. After that task is completed, the mantle of Northern leadership would fall naturally into the laps a younger, progressive breed. But where will Ribadu be, in limbo? A newbie in Ribadu's shoes shouldn't talk down any political party.

Right now, Ribadu is headed nowhere. He is simply Tinubu’s latest get out of jail card and expensive plaything. Anyone arguing against my assertion will do better asking why Ribadu is never well prepared for any interview; it seems Tinubu and ACN are pretty relaxed about the prospect of their representative appearing to be a bumbling wreck and slowly self-destructing. Why? Other political parties would get interview questions before hand and get their candidate groomed and well prepared. Why not ACN?

I hope Ribadu can see the trap he has fallen into and back out.

Dude, get serious for once.
How can you mention GEJ and charisma in the same sentence?
The man has no charisma worth talking about.
what vision are you talking about?
GEJ is as visionless as they come.
The power supply blue print has never been a problem.the problem has always been a political will to execute a meaningful plan and a leadership to see it through.
The ability of GEJ as an individual is desecration of the hallowed office of the presidency.
In a country where fraudsters, ritual killers and religious jingoists are lawmakers and governors, people like you can afford to celebrate mediocrity and attempt to entrench it.

@Jarus,
Kindly address the question i raised on the Kwara thread.

@gbawe,
you are begining to sound like Beaf.
you man can do no evil, it seems?
I doubt anyone is disputing Ribadu's ability or his stewardship nor are we asking for a perfect saint.
His supporters, like Jarus and fence sitters like myself are simply unimpressed with his ability to articulate his vision and plan.
Forget the fact that our presidency has been soiled by inept and incoherent folks like GEJ and SMY'A, the president should radiate confidence, articulate a vision for the masses to believe in and pursue.
Most of all, he needs to convince us.It must be earned.
Arranging plea bargains with a couple of criminals in high places cannot confer the birthright of presidency on any man.
The fact that the space is polluted by mediocrity is not enough reason to settle for less.
I have taken the time to read the entire interview on NVS and i like most others was unimpressed.
Beyond the usual rhetorics, i don't want a president that sounds like he just decided to run for power last week.
I want him to sound like he has thought the problems through and articulate a picture that we can believe in.
I am convinced that that is not too much to ask for.
Asking for less is belittling the office of the presidency.

Having access to a license for SciFinder, a piece of software that allows one to see all published scientific work from every corner of the globe since the beginning of the 20th century, this writer did a search with the name "Emeagwali." Just four results were obtained, all in reference to the work of Dale Emeagwali, who happens to be Philip Emeagwali's wife, a scientist herself. What this means is that Philip Emeagwali has no published scientific work in peer-reviewed journals. Yet on his website, he is called the "greatest scientist of African descent."

thanks guys.
my folk just confirmed that the rates quoted above are not any different from the rate Arik are offering her.
As much as i detest Arik for international travels, the fact that Arik has no transit makes it attractive.
Arik are offering a lon-lag ticket for 128k.
any better offer out there?

do sane people still quote SUN?