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Scholar8200:
Okay. Though I believe the explanation on Nathan-Heli, Solomon-Joseph shows indeed that Mary, daughter of Heli, was of the house of David.

I've seen other translations. The descent is clearly concerning Joseph not Mary. Where does it say Mary was Heli's daughter? Luke rather says Joseph was Heli's son.

malvisguy212:
if Joseph was the biological father of Jesus it mean the curse of jaconiah is on him. Legal right mean he bypass the curse, all this , God plan it from the beginning, its either you are an atheist or not , you cannot believe in half and reject the rest, lukewarm christian

You funny sha. If Joseph wasn't Jesus' biological father, then they had no link by consanguinity. Except, of course, Joseph and Mary were related.

Scholar8200:
Op, consider this:

Luke 1:26,27

26 Now in the sixth month [after that], the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a town of Galilee named Nazareth,

27 To a girl never having been married and a [v]virgin engaged to be married to a man whose name was Joseph, a descendant of the house of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary.

Here Mary's father's house in the tribe of Judah was clearly mentioned.

Heli, her father a descendant of Nathan-David's son, was mentioned in Luke's gospel. Now if you study the genealogy in Matthew and Luke, the father of Joseph is different. Indeed, Joseph descended from Solomon(Matthew 1:6,7) while Mary from Nathan (Luke 3:31); Nathan and Solomon were two of David's sons (1 Chronicles 3:5). Hence the mention of Joseph in Mary's genealogy was a normal practice by recorders and scribes in genealogies. For example, you will agree with me that in Matthew's genealogy, only foreign women who naturalized to become Israelites were mentioned.

I think the reference to descent was made concerning Joseph not Mary: Joseph, a descendant of the house of David...But that verse is ambiguous in KJV. Will check another translation.

malvisguy212:
did you read my post ? Joseph is the legal father of Jesus and not the biological father, by legal right he inherited the throne of David. matthew trace his legal right just to proved he is succeeded the throne of David.

Luke written was for both the gentile nation and the isrealite, read the geanology in luke , he added some gentile name just to proved Jesus is saviour of both Jew and the world.

I notice, you guys on nairaland are soo bias in your searching, satan is manipulating you guys, the bible is sooo clear.read with open mind.

I expect you to quoted my first post.

Haba! No vex. I think I mentioned something about the "legal" thing in one of my earlier posts. It was the view Augustine held and Tertulian disagreed with. But didn't the scriptures talk about the Messiah being an actual descendant of David and not one by legal right? Isn't biblical prophecy supposed to be precise enough? Because as far as I'm concerned, if Jesus is assumed to be a descendant of David just because his adoptive father was, then he really isn't a descendant of David. And about Heli being Mary's father, where does Luke say that?

sonmvayina:
Any body who is attempting to answer this question is ignorant..pope Benedict xvi was asked this same question, he could not answer..

Interesting

frosbel:
By natural birth through the seed of Joseph.

There was no Virgin birth , simply a myth.

Seems more like it. Take away the virgin birth and he could well be a descendant of David.

PraiseDLord:
Beloved, kindly read below extract from Matthew Henry's commentary with an open heart:
"(New Matthew Henry Commentary, The) His genealogy (Lk. 3 vv. 23 – 38). Matthew gave us something of this but went no further back than Abraham; Luke takes it as far back as Adam. Matthew intended to show that Christ was the son of Abraham, in whom all the families of the earth are blessed (Ge 12:3), and that he was heir to the throne of David, and so he began with Abraham and brought the genealogy down to Jacob, who was the father of Joseph, who was therefore a male heir of the house of David. Luke, however, wanting to show that Christ was the seed of the woman, who would break the serpent’s head (Ge 3:15), traces his genealogy as far back as Adam, and begins it with Eli, or Heli, who was the father not of Joseph but of the Virgin Mary. Matthew draws the genealogy from Solomon, but since Solomon’s natural line ended in Jechonias (Jeconiah or Jehoiachin), the legal right was transferred to Salathiel (Shealtiel), who was of the house of Nathan, another son of David, and Luke here follows that line, thus leaving out all the kings of Judah. It is good for us that our salvation does not depend on our being able to solve all these difficulties. It is further worthy of observation that when those records of the Jewish genealogies had continued for thirty or forty years after these extracts from them, they were all lost and destroyed with the Jewish state and nation, because now there was no longer any need for them. The genealogy concludes with this: who was the son of Adam, the son of God. He was both the Son of Adam and the Son of God, so that he could be a proper Mediator between God and the sons of Adam and make the sons of Adam, through him, the sons of God."

Where does it say that Heli was Mary's father? Is this simply an assumption? My English translation says nothing like that. And the reference to "son of God" was made to Adam not Jesus. Jesus was at the initial rung of the ladder and Adam at the final rung.

johnydon22:
Not stupid and irredeemable, many of us were once like that, you have to try and understand the effect of belief on people

Really I'm sick and tired of people referring to me online as a "religious slave". Do I sound like one? Maybe I just don't come across as atheist enough.

Aizenosa:
Matthew 1:1-17 has all the answers u need

It doesn't. It only traces Jesus to David through Joseph.

theAtheist101:
So, what is your own position?

I really have no vested interest in the matter. I do not believe in Jesus. I think, like I noted in the op, that it seems the authors of the gospels made frantic efforts to show that Jesus was the Messiah against all odds. Part of their frantic efforts include ascribing to Jesus many old testament prophecies that were clearly not about the Jewish Messiah.

ROSSIKE:
Carrying other peoples' problem on your head. How many of these foreigners care about your history? Was Oduduwa really a descendant of Olodumare? You don't care so why should they? Stupi.d slaves.

The difference between Jesus and Oduduwa as you likely already know,is that many people the world over, in this time and age still believe the incredible/supernatural claims attached to him (Jesus) whereas Oduduwa is mostly regarded as a myth. So, don't get worked up about me discussing Jesus. You can open a thread about Oduduwa if you want to.

It appears even the Church Fathers couldn't reach a consensus on this. For example, Augustine thought Jesus could claim descent from David through Joseph because Joseph was his legal adoptive father. Tertulian differed by thinking Jesus was descended from David through Mary. Tertulian's position makes more sense but doesn't seem to have scriptural backing.

otipoju:
If I remember well, His genealogy could also be traced to David through Mary as well...I dont have the facts now but you can do a little research and lets see what you find.

Would love to see that. As much as I remember, only two genealogies of Jesus are recorded in two gospels respectively: Matthew and Luke. And they both trace him through Joseph.

Topic: How Is Jesus A Descendant of David? www.nairaland.com/2464880/how-jesus-descendant-david

According to the gospels, Jesus was born of a virgin betrothed to a man named Joseph. Joseph played no role whatsoever in Jesus' conception. In other words, Jesus and Joseph had no relationship by consanguinity. But the genealogies in Matthew and Luke trace Jesus to David through Joseph. The Messiah was to be a descendant of King David according to the prophets. Since Jesus and Joseph weren't related by blood, isn't it erratic to trace him to David through Joseph? And since Jesus had only a human mother, the only way he would have been related to David would have been through Mary.

Even Luke notes in Chapter 3 verse 23 that Jesus was only "supposed" to be Joseph's son. It makes one wonder why he yet went ahead to trace him to David through Joseph. It seems rather like a frantic effort by the authors of the gospels to make Jesus the Messiah against all odds. What do you think?

Demmzy15:
Adamawa is partially struck by boko-are-rams only few parts of the State which borders Bornu and Yobe State has some little vulnerability. So going to Yola is safe, in fact my roommate in school who's a Christian lives in Yola.

But if the Pastor wants to show his bravery, let him go to Gwoza or Mongonu for mass

I'm glad he isn't that stu.pid

The eternity of god's life makes his existence meaningless. The brevity of our human life gives it some meaning.

Each time I listen to Enya, I feel the holy ghost.

Feranmicharles:
Where's that foolish nnamdi of Biafra radio,who said they'll kill Kumuyi if he dares visit abia

Mtcheew,go on sir. God is thy strength

Please, I'm seeing this for the first time. Why exactly did this Nnamdi make such threats against Kumuyi? Does he have a personal beef against the man?

Death as we know it is the cessation of life. There is no credible evidence for an afterlife. The afterlife theory seems to me a consequence of man not being able to conceive of his own inevitable and necessary cessation. This personal incredulity has led to several conceptions of an afterlife where he'd at last get everything he hankered for but couldn't get in this life. If there's an afterlife for man, then surely there must be for all living organisms ranging from mammals to bacteria.

Ndipe:
If I tell you that I wasnt moved by his biography, I would be kidding you. I had just finished reading "The African child" at home and was quite floored by the sentimental description of his life in Guinea. Mirrors my own childhood back home. That same year, or thereabout, while visiting a friend, I stumbled upon his bio and read it. His life in exile was a rude/dark contrast to his idyllic life in Guinea Sekou Toure was a monster. Already, some magazine is trying to paint him as a hero? I might pen a rebuttal by bringing up his atrocities against Camara Laye as well as thousands of Guineans who suffered under his regime.

How true @bolded. I've always been curious about what happened afterwards between Laye and Marie since I read the book. The African Child is one of the finest autobiographies I have ever read. Its idyllic world of a child I found so magnetic. I wished to be in it.

modskiller:
Go for Texas Arm or Alberta.
Good Luck!

Thank you.

I've been invited for the aptitude test this coming Friday. I would like to reschedule till late July or early August. I also do not have my original waec result yet. Can I use the online printout in lieu of the original?

I've been searching for foreign universities that offer premium quality MSc programs in the field of exploration geophysics. My main preference are Canadian Universities. So far, I have seen programs offered by the University of Western Ontario, University of Manitoba and University of Alberta. In the USA, I found TAMU, University of Oklahoma and University of Houston, among others. In Europe, the best I've seen so far is the joint program at TU Delft. If you think there are other places I should also be looking at (even outside the specified geographic areas), please feel free to post them here. Thanks.

Hero10001:
YES!
The Op is just illusory.
It's gonna be in batches e.g 20,000 pple would benefit for the first 3 months which would increase subsequently.
However, a beneficiary is expected to graduate within six months (it's not a life programe)
The scheme is to enable the govt to know the cock and bulls and how to incoporate em in the society.

This is more feasible. Makes better sense.

Hero10001:
A very wrong calculations!
The scheme will be in phases where someone graduates eventually.

Will graduating mean getting a job?

It's actually 1.2 trillion monthly. This would be a really big waste. The government shouldn't go along with this. It would not tackle unemployment in any way. The government's worry should be about tackling unemployment not festering it.

iyke926:
Dr. Smart Obiora is very intelligent, stubborn and a legendary puss-y hound...ehn like woman pass air.

E be like say everybody know this man. A true petrological lecher! Hehehe... But he makes petrology so damn interesting. It often felt like I was eating a delicious meal.

conyema12:
What is UNN doing on that list when they can't boost of 3 sound Professors. All they have is Amobi, Mode, Ugwu that can't even define Geology in their own words..bunch o lunatics

How about Professor C. Okogbue?

johnydon22:
Is it possible to prove a flying blue pink circle square rabbit doesn't exist?


That which has not been proven cannot be disproved because there absolutely is nothing to disprove.

Lol... a flying blue pink circle square rabbit Who knows? That could be could be god. Lmao.

malvisguy212:
and Jesus say to her " BE IT UNTO YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR FAITH"
Do you faith that this thing will happened?

We know this will never happen. A god who doesn't give a hoot about the children who die daily of avoidable causes, and the millions that starve and are disease ravaged, doesn't seem likely to write stuff "beside the moon" for us.

BTW, shouldn't man's landing on the moon have been the grand occasion for god to show his face? Like Eddie Izzard pointed, "if you put them on the blue one and they made it to the grey one, that's when you f*cking turn up and say well done."

emrain:
Stop the hate. If you must hate, hate something real, not a fiction.

Who says I'm hating?