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Sal C: @ Mescopaul.
If you are talking about the institution not folding their hands, then you are right but the issue here is you are suggesting that the best option is to do away with celibacy and that's the reason for this thread.

Now if you talk about the institution not folding their hands, they can choose to go about it in any way they deem fit.

I hope you won't mind me bring in another instance........
If a school offering "Use of English" as a compulsory GS course discovers that most students have been failing the course, should the best option be to scrap off that course in other to ensure they don't witness failure again?.

Ray McBlue: Now, that's foolish. When a child insults a grown-up, do you blame the child? Nope, you attack it from the root source, which is usually bad upbringing, which in turn boils down to the parents.

The same is applicable to the Roman Catholic Church. When a priest deviate from his oath of celibacy and engage in an illicit relationship with some chica, you don't blame the priest, you blame the church for not being stricter or less strict in it's policy, as the case may be. The church's policy is the root source not the priest.

No one can possibly go multiple decades without milking the snake at some point. It's anthropologically impossible.

Sal C: No married men didn't take the vow of celibacy but they took that of fidelity. If they become unfaithful to their wives then they've broken the vow of fidelity by committing adultery.

The similarity between them and the priest who broke his vow of celibacy?.......
They made vows and turn around to break them. Hope you get that now.

Ray McBlue: Nope. When nature calls, you answer. That's just the way it is and will always be.

The fault lies with the Roman Catholic church for expecting of their Padres to do the impossible.

Celibacy is a lie. Ever heard of a 50 year old virgin?

From the current situation of things, the hypocrites running the affairs of the church have started coming to terms with the futility of the decree, and soon enough all the Roman Catholic Padres will be okayed by the church to get a wife or girlfriends.

Now, that's reality.

Sal C:
Now you are beginning to get my drift even though you don't want to admit that and now it seems we are almost saying thesame thing. Celibacy like you rightly said, is a personal thing and by choosing the priesthood these Rev Fathers personally chose to remain celibate. Now if at the long run they fail to keep or uphold the vows they made, then the blame should go to them not the institution.

Now let me get a bit personal here, when I was much younger, I seriously considered being a religious but two things debarred me. I realised I have this fondness for the medical profession and also this desire to always have children with me. And as at that time I never came across a religious who is also in the medical field so I took it that it was impossible to be a religious and a medical practitioner at thesame time. Again I know being a religious also debar you from having children ( not necessarily giving birth to them yourself but even adopting them).
I decided to forfeit one in other to achieve the other two instead of the other way round. Now I discovered my thoughts then were partially wrong, because I have friends and relatives who are religious and also medical practitioners. But the deed has been done.
Now looking at the above in the light of the topic at hand , it would be silly if I had taken the religious vow and then set out and start giving birth to children or adopting them against the rule of the church. If I do so , I should be blamed; not the church.

Your statistics of six out of every ten priest breaking their vow of celibacy is your thought not a proven fact and also a case of hearsay so am not dwelling on that.
Finally if to say your papa become 'Fada' dey for no born you. Lol. But never mind, he wasn't called to the priesthood. God knew you were supposed to come into the world through your father, so your birth wasn't by accident.

lacum: dont mind him, let him go and take statistics of married men vs priest who have sex outside marriage or break vow and he will find out that most married men do it dan most priests

Sal C: I understand where you are coming from but I want ask ...

Did you take the statistic of these erring priests as against the total number of priests before opening this thread?
Do you think doing away with celibacy will eradicate illicit sex in the world, or better still among the men of God?

Yes this topic might be for priests and celibacy but that doesn't mean we will not bring in useful instances when necessary.
Again you seem to think every priest is guilty of not adhering to the rule of celibacy but that can't be true.

Sal C: Sorry I ignored him even before you noticed, am equally not ready to exchange words that are not beneficial to anyone.

Ray McBlue: You can never justify yourself enough for someone like that, and the more you protest the more they are resolute on their sentiments, however unrealistic the mere notion of it may look. I speak from experience.

Just ignore him and pretend he didn't post anything. His sort is merely one of the tribe of many slinking around in this forum.

Ray McBlue: He/She started it. Maybe his/her antagonism can be attributed to the underlying frustration of his/her haemaphroditic nature. #JustSayin.

Mitchelle-lou:
If u can't cope widawt fornicating den y b a Rev.father..n derz sumdin wrong in Rev Fathers fornicating,if it we're d days of Moses dey wud b struck dead

Ray McBlue: Sure they don't, mate. I see alot of 'em in your thread already! Engaging one in an argument can be very frustrating, believe me.

Ray McBlue: Glad to know that someone else see things from my perspective.

Ray McBlue: Like I said before, no matter how hard you try, it's impossible to suppress the primal need to fornicate. The Padres who went against The unrealistic Roman Catholic celibacy degree by committing the so-called sin of fornication are only obeying the laws of nature. To me, there is nothing wrong with that.

Royal Roy: Hahaha...I thought you were a matured debater, so you are Ray Blue?

Very obvious with this post of yours.
You create another username to lend support to your myopic view!

Dissapointed in you Mescopaul.

Shame on You.

Sal C: @ Mescopaul I did not generalise, I used many not 'all'

It will look myopic if I choose my instances from the catholic rule alone, so I decided to choose that which affects every believer.

I don't quite get what you are trying to say on the issue of adherence or scraping off, but one thing is certain " it is easy to make rule but not so easy to get everyone to adhere to it" be it within the confines of religion or outside it.

Celibacy doesn't take people to hell rather non-conformity to it on the part of those who are under the obligation to be celibate takes them to hell.

Sal C & Ray McBlue

Sal C: I hardly take offence when people air their view on issue even if I don't agree with their views.

Ray McBlue: I'm a realist.

Ray McBlue: What do you mean?

There is a primal need for man to fornicate. It's not only exclusive to homo sapiens but to all the animal kingdom in general. Trying to suppress the urge is practically impossible.

All those Roman Catholic Padres pretending celibacy are secret and habitual masturbators, no offense.

Ray McBlue: No matter what you do, you are incapable of hoodwinking nature. Nature dictates that MAN MUST FORNICATE, and anybody that tries to go contrary to the formula by pretending celibacy is only deceiving himself.

Sal C: Stealing is a sin according to the scriptures yet many christians steal in one way or the other. Should we scrap off the commandment "thou shall not steal" because it is difficult for some people to keep?

Personally it doesn't make much difference to me weather celibacy is scraped off or retained but few people not being able to maintain a standard shouldn't be the reason why such standard should be compromised or such rules scrapped off.

lacum: my guy am fine just dat i only post when i c comments dat irritate me so much. apart from dat, i just read and laugh

lacum: so u think dis makes sense ?
if u were God, who will u punish more? is it d pastors dat have to themselvs all d beautifull women to marry and stil lust at oda women outside or the priests that have non but decide to do it because of lust?
rememba, d two of them did it due to lust of the flesh

Sal C: Am not good at repeating myself to someone who continue to run round thesame circle. They are many capacities or areas where people can serve God not just the priesthood. Why would you intentionally take a vow when you are not ready to keep to it?

We all know that school is place of learning and once you enter, you are expected to study hard. But you are making it look like it is right for one to go to school when he is not ready to study.
If you are not ready to study, don't waste your time going to school. In thesame way, if you don't want to be celibate, don't join the priesthood.

The blame shouldn't go to the system but to the person who broke his vow.

Royal Roy: I don't think you have been made a judge unto a man have you?

Celibacy is a standard only for those who are willing.

The priesthood is not a family chieftaincy title that people MUST fill the space.

Its for those who are willing.

You speak as if they kidnap people & force them to be celibate.

You are not being objective with your arguments & assumptions.

Quit this your I know it all attitude, it only leads to ignorance in the end.

bawomolo: how relevant is the bibe when it comes to science?

1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

the moon is not a light, but only reflects light from the sun


6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

why no archaeological evidence of these giants??



Genesis 6:14-15
Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch. And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.

Noah's ark is 450 feet long. The largest wooden ships ever built were just over 300 feet, and they required diagonal iron strapping for support. Even so, they leaked so badly that they had to be pumped constantly. Are we to believe that Noah, with no shipbuilding knowledge, was able to construct a wooden ship longer than any that has been built since?

but not only was the ark too big to be seaworthy, it was far too small to be able to contain the earth's millions of plant and animal species.


Genesis 11:1
And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.

"The whole earth was of one language." This could not be true, since by this time (supposedly around 2400 BCE) there were already many languages, each unintelligible to the others. This is even admitted earlier in Genesis (10:5, 10:20, 10:31) where other languages are mentioned before the tower of Babel was supposedly constructed.


Leviticus
11:6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud , but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.


hares and coneys are not ruminants and they do not "chew the cud."


Job

5:31 So let all thine enemies perish, O LORD: but let them that love him be as the sun when he goeth forth in his might. And the land had rest forty years.

9:7 Which commandeth the sun, and it riseth not; and sealeth up the stars.


the sun doesn't revolve around the earth nor does it move. the bible promotes geocentricity


Psalm
58:8 As a snail which melteth, let every one of them pass away: like the untimely birth of a woman, that they may not see the sun.


snails don't melt, they only leave a slimy trail as they move along.


there's more to come

Sal C: I should leave fallen pastors for God to judge? I never judged anyone rather you are the one trying to judge.

Paul's massage was clear" he who marries does well but he who did not, does even better" but mind you I never quoted paul before now, instead I quoted the words of christ himself.

Again celibacy was not imposed on anybody, instead people choose celibacy by choosing the priesthood. I still maintain that nobody was forced into priesthood.

Its not for everyone but only for those who are willing.

1. When the church started at Ibusa(year).
2. Who started it.
3. How was it started, by a crusade, outreach etc.
4. The district pastors names from when it started till now.
5. How it began to spread. And other relevant infos. Pls send your contributions to mescopaul@gmail.com or mescopaul@yahoo.com or call 08134728659. Thanks! www.dlbcibusa.wapka.me

Royal Roy: Funny how you are the judge & the jury in your own case.

Since you have concluded on your point of view already, then why open the thread?