₦airaland Forum

Demmzy15:
Shut up Yorùbá Christian

LOL!
Its a good thing the Yoruba Muslims are getting conscious of the deception from their Christian neighbours.

Musulumi e ro nu!

shadeyinka:
You told a lie, I asked you to bring the evidence and you begin your diversionary tactics! SMH!!

When you know the meaning of testament and why there is old and new, come back here!

Nothing changes this fact that Muslims are violent hooligans. Let me tell you what the bible says about you generations of Ishmael.
Gen 16:11-12
11The angel of the LORD proceeded: “Behold, you have conceived and will bear a son. And you shall name him Ishmael, for the LORD has heard your cry of affliction. 12He will be a wild donkey of a man, and his hand will be against everyone, and everyone’s hand against him; he will live in hostility toward all his brothers.”

So, it's not a surprise when the self appointed apostle of allah told you that allah said:

Quran 5:57
Oh, you who believe, do not take those who have received the Scriptures [Jews and Christians]
before you, who have scoffed and jested at your religion, or who are unbelievers for your friends.
Fear Allah if you are true believers. When you call to prayer, they make it a mockery and a joke. This
is because they are a people who do not understand.

In case you are tempted to think that it is only applicable to Jews and Christians who make fun of Islam, the only excuse is that Christians and Jews are friends to one another. Later through your Taqqiya, you will be claiming that we worship the same God. Is Allah the same as Jehovah?

Quran 5:51
Oh, believers, do not take the Jews or Christians as friends. They are but one another’s friends.
If any one of you take them for his friends, he surely is one of them. Allah will not guide the evildoers.



You see why unknowingly you just cannot help but to be violent?
Can you see why Islam is a religion of Hooligans?

You know the truth, yet fend ignorance

cos,

The verses from the Qur' an you quoted above, aptly describe you and most Christians on nairaland like you.

Like i told you before the Qur'an can never be wrong, except what you don't understand.

Read the below, for deserving Christians, and there are millions of them everywhere.

[5:82] Al-Māidah-الْمَآئِدَة
"لَتَجِدَنَّ اَشَدَّ النَّاسِ عَدَاوَۃً لِّلَّذِیۡنَ اٰمَنُوا الۡیَہُوۡدَ وَ الَّذِیۡنَ اَشۡرَکُوۡا ۚ وَ لَتَجِدَنَّ اَقۡرَبَہُمۡ مَّوَدَّۃً لِّلَّذِیۡنَ اٰمَنُوا الَّذِیۡنَ قَالُوۡۤا اِنَّا نَصٰرٰی ؕ ذٰلِکَ بِاَنَّ مِنۡہُمۡ قِسِّیۡسِیۡنَ وَ رُہۡبَانًا وَّ اَنَّہُمۡ لَا یَسۡتَکۡبِرُوۡنَ ﴿۸۲﴾

You will indeed find the Jews and the polytheists the bitterest of people in their enmity against the Muslims, and the closest in love and affection for the Muslims you will find those who say: ‘Indeed, we are Nazarenes (Christians).’ This is because amongst them are savants (i.e., scholars of Shariah) as well as monks (i.e., ascetic worshippers) and (moreover) they are not given to arrogance.


For unlawful killings, Allah (SWT) standards didn't changed:


From v28....
[5:32] Al-Māidah-الْمَآئِدَة
"مِنۡ اَجۡلِ ذٰلِکَ ۚۛؔ کَتَبۡنَا عَلٰی بَنِیۡۤ اِسۡرَآءِیۡلَ اَنَّہٗ مَنۡ قَتَلَ نَفۡسًۢا بِغَیۡرِ نَفۡسٍ اَوۡ فَسَادٍ فِی الۡاَرۡضِ فَکَاَنَّمَا قَتَلَ النَّاسَ جَمِیۡعًا ؕ وَ مَنۡ اَحۡیَاہَا فَکَاَنَّمَاۤ اَحۡیَا النَّاسَ جَمِیۡعًا ؕ وَ لَقَدۡ جَآءَتۡہُمۡ رُسُلُنَا بِالۡبَیِّنٰتِ ۫ ثُمَّ اِنَّ کَثِیۡرًا مِّنۡہُمۡ بَعۡدَ ذٰلِکَ فِی الۡاَرۡضِ لَمُسۡرِفُوۡنَ ﴿۳۲﴾

On account of this, We prescribed (this commandment in the Torah sent down) to the Children of Israel that whoever killed a person (unjustly), except as a punishment for murder or for (spreading) disorder in the land, it would be as if he killed all the people (of society); and whoever (saved him from unjust murder and) made him survive, it would be as if he saved the lives of all the people (of society, i.e., he rescued the collective system of human life). And indeed, Our Messengers came to them with evident signs. Yet, even after that, the majority from amongst these people are certainly those who commit excesses in the land.
...v35

Nwaotu10:
Anybody that preaches Islamism to my generation will not live to see his/her next birthday.

Ofor! Ofor! Ofor!


Rip boy

Ofor!

Kiiiii you there.

zombieHUNTER:
These terrorist should go to hell...
Buhari administration Enables terrorists

If I say make i reply you, i go derail this thread.

TruthHurts1:
The evidence is all around you. Who produces the greatest number of university and polytechnic graduates in Nigeria? Christians.

Take a look at any list of the first Nigerian professors from any academic discipline in Nigeria and who dominates the list? Christians.

Take a look at Nigerians excelling overseas in academia and the sciences and who dominates? Again, Christians.

These are all easily verifiable facts in the public domain.

You are still the CAN you are.

TruthHurts1:
It was the National Judicial Council who went public with the list of judges who have been elevated from the state and federal high courts to the Court of Appeal, not CAN. CAN merely reacted to the gross imbalance and under-representation in the said list. MURIC makes stupid pronouncements 24/7 but no-one has ever called for his head, so CAN has a right to broach the legitimate concerns of its members in a public forum.

OK.
Simply put; CAN exercised its right to be stupid!

TruthHurts1:
The truth is that Christians dominate the intellectual and scholarly class in this country. For every one muslim graduate in Nigeria there are probably 10,000 Christian ones. That didn't happen because of a quota system. It happened because Christians take education more seriously than Northerners.

Stop speaking empty words and displaying shit education like your leader, CAN.

Show concrete evidence like our NSCIA.

JamiuKabir:
Nigerians expect Nigerian Supreme Council for Islamic Affairs (NSCIA) to similar comparison for all appointment under General Buhari.


Starting from the security ...


Making noise only because they found where there is noise.

Useless gonment.

Your CAN should start their dumb campaign on that and NSCIA will present the facts on ground.

TruthHurts1:
The truth is that appointing Justices into the Court of Appeal just for the purpose of balancing religious quotas is wrong and that is what the latest appointment is seeking to do.

The reason why Christians seem to dominate the composition of the Court of Appeal at present lies in the fact that Christians have historically always taken education more seriously than muslims. It wasn't because of quota systems or preferential treatment that most Court of Appeal judges are Christians, in the same way that most professors, medical doctors, lawyers, engineers, architects, software engineers in Nigeria are Christians. Plain and simple, taking education seriously pays off.

Yes!
We can clearly see the shit education the Kriyos take seriously in CAN going public without concrete information on the facts of the matter.

true2god:
Jesus still loves us but he never wanted us to be stupid. The school has a uniform that had been in place for over 50 years but Muslims want to modify it to suit their religious appeal. There wouldn't have been a problem if they make this demand in a place like Ahmadiya high school or Ansereudeen grammar school. Coming to a school, with a Christian missionary background, is a recipe for a conflict which Muslims are naturally comfortable with.

The solution is for muslims to respect the tradition of the school or send their daughters to schools where their daughters won't have problems with school authorities if they wear the hijab. Christians wear hijab in all schools in the north where hijab is part of the school uniform and when they get home they remove it. This is how it should go: respect for established law and order.

Pls, tell me the name of one school in the north where Christian female students wear hijab.

Just one.

shadeyinka:
What is the meaning of the term Messiah?
What is the purpose of the Messiah?

I am sure you know that Jesus being a son is not BIOLOGICAL.

John 3:36:
"He that believes on the Son has everlasting life: and he that believes not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God stays on him."
The above is a strong contradiction with the Qur'an


The Council of Nicaea only discussed the theology of what they have seen in the Scriptures.

They saw that the Scriptures paint the Father as God, the Word who became the Son as God and the Holy Spirit as God. At the same time, the Scriptures teach that God is ONE.

Just as Muslims misconceive the idea of the Christian trinity was how early Christians misconceived how The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit can be God without violating the ONENESS of God. The term Trinity was used to convey this understanding.

This is what I have EXPLAINED using your known concept in Islam.
Like I said:
My purpose is NOT to convince you of the CORRECTNESS or otherwise of the term Trinity BUT to aid your comprehension!


It's just like the word TAWHEED!
It doesn't exist in the Qur'an yet it is the most basic and fundamental doctrine in Islam because
the first obligation upon every Muslim is Tawheed and the first pillar of Tawheed is al-kufr bit-Taaghuut, or to reject Taaghuut (false deity).

The fact that Allah didn't say this in the Qur'an doesn't make Tawheed false.

OK.
Thanks.

shadeyinka:
Your post highlighted in RED clearly explains not trinity but DUALITY.

1. You said: Anyways, the soul and the body are the same person,
2. However, the Soul and the Body are DIFFERENT
3. You said: Whatever the body does it is the soul that does it.

The summary of what you've said is:
The Body is Not The Soul
The Soul is Not the Body
The Body is Man
The Soul is Ma

Certainly, MAN is UNITARY however, man is his body and man is his soul. We don't ever say that man is composed of a partnership of two men (soul and body)




This is the EXPLANATION of that which seem like contradiction to you.

I do not have the intention of convincing you about Trinity or Duality.
My aim is just to EXPLAIN the concept to you.

And so you can see that the Qur'an err greatly in comprehension of the Christians idea of Trinity.

Like I said: my purpose is NOT to convince you of the CORRECTNESS or otherwise of the term Trinity BUT to aid your comprehension!

OK, no wahala.

Allah cannot err!
We have no doubt in his words, except what we don't understand.

Allah says:

[4:171] Al-Nisā-النِّسَآء
"یٰۤاَہۡلَ الۡکِتٰبِ لَا تَغۡلُوۡا فِیۡ دِیۡنِکُمۡ وَ لَا تَقُوۡلُوۡا عَلَی اللّٰہِ اِلَّا الۡحَقَّ ؕ اِنَّمَا الۡمَسِیۡحُ عِیۡسَی ابۡنُ مَرۡیَمَ رَسُوۡلُ اللّٰہِ وَ کَلِمَتُہٗ ۚ اَلۡقٰہَاۤ اِلٰی مَرۡیَمَ وَ رُوۡحٌ مِّنۡہُ ۫ فَاٰمِنُوۡا بِاللّٰہِ وَ رُسُلِہٖ ۚ۟ وَ لَا تَقُوۡلُوۡا ثَلٰثَۃٌ ؕ اِنۡتَہُوۡا خَیۡرًا لَّکُمۡ ؕ اِنَّمَا اللّٰہُ اِلٰہٌ وَّاحِدٌ ؕ سُبۡحٰنَہٗۤ اَنۡ یَّکُوۡنَ لَہٗ وَلَدٌ ۘ لَہٗ مَا فِی السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ مَا فِی الۡاَرۡضِ ؕ وَ کَفٰی بِاللّٰہِ وَکِیۡلًا ﴿۱۷۱﴾٪

O People of the Book! Exceed not the limits in your din (religion), and speak nothing but the truth about Allah’s glory. The fact is simple that the Messiah, ‘Isa, the son of Maryam (Jesus, the son of Mary) is Allah’s Messenger and His Word which He conveyed to Maryam (Mary) and a Spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His Messengers and do not say: ‘There are three (Gods).’ Refrain (from this belief); (that) is best for you. Verily, Allah is the Only One God, Holy is He, far above having a son. Whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth (all) belongs to Him alone. And Sufficient is Allah as a Guardian.

[4:172] Al-Nisā-النِّسَآء
"لَنۡ یَّسۡتَنۡکِفَ الۡمَسِیۡحُ اَنۡ یَّکُوۡنَ عَبۡدًا لِّلّٰہِ وَ لَا الۡمَلٰٓئِکَۃُ الۡمُقَرَّبُوۡنَ ؕ وَ مَنۡ یَّسۡتَنۡکِفۡ عَنۡ عِبَادَتِہٖ وَ یَسۡتَکۡبِرۡ فَسَیَحۡشُرُہُمۡ اِلَیۡہِ جَمِیۡعًا ﴿۱۷۲﴾

The Messiah feels no embarrassment in being a servant of Allah. Nor do the closest angels (ever feel ashamed). And whoever disdains to be His servant and perpetrates arrogance, He will soon assemble together all such people before Him.


[112:1] Al-Ikhlāṣ-الْإِخْلاَص
"قُلۡ ہُوَ اللّٰہُ اَحَدٌ ۚ﴿۱﴾

(O Esteemed Messenger!) Proclaim: ‘He is Allah, Who is the One.


[112:2] Al-Ikhlāṣ-الْإِخْلاَص
"اَللّٰہُ الصَّمَدُ ۚ﴿۲﴾

Allah is the Transcendent of all, the Protector and Far-Superior to all.

[112:3] Al-Ikhlāṣ-الْإِخْلاَص
"لَمۡ یَلِدۡ ۬ۙ وَ لَمۡ یُوۡلَدۡ ۙ﴿۳﴾

He has not begotten any, nor is He begotten.

[112:4] Al-Ikhlāṣ-الْإِخْلاَص
"وَ لَمۡ یَکُنۡ لَّہٗ کُفُوًا اَحَدٌ ٪﴿۴﴾

Nor is there anyone equal to Him.’


Take another look:


....Before the idea was made dogma , at the First Council of Nicaea, there were also other ideas on how to solve the problem. These included:

God adopted Jesus during baptism (known as Adoptionism)

Jesus was all God, and only appeared to be human ( Docetism )

The three lived together like a family ( Tritheism)

Only God the Father is the true God, the Son and the Holy Spirit are not.

shadeyinka:
The Soul is the Person.
But the Soul is invisible
The Soul cannot lift a bucket
Is your soul not you?

But,

Your Body is the Person of you
But the Body is visible
The Body can lift a bucket
Is your body not you?

Can we then conclude that
1. Man is his Body
2. Man is his Ruh (Soul)
3. The disconnection of the Body and Soul of Man is death
4. Even though the Body is NOT the (Soul) Ruh, the Ruh answers for everything the body has done as if it committed the sin or good deed.
5. Even though the Body and Soul are different, yet they are the same person.

For the Christian, Man is a Trinity of the Body, Soul and Spirit. The Soul of a person answers for both the Physical Body and Spiritual Body of Man


The Body is the Physical Identity of Man
With the Body, man interacts with the Physical World

The Soul is the Personal Identity of Man
With the Soul, man interacts with the Emotional, Intellectual and Decision making for the Body

The Spirit is the Spiritual Identity of Man
With the Spirit, man interacts with the Spirit World. This is what God and Jinns and Angels see as you.

I had known it's all about the Trinity.

You analogy using the questioning in the grave according to Islam does not explain Trinity in anyway, except that you are the one making it up.

Anyways, the soul and the body are the same person, else Allah won't be ask the soul to account for the body.

Whatever the body does it is the soul that does it.

Take a look again:
...Before the idea was made dogma , at the First Council of Nicaea, there were also other ideas on how to solve the problem. These included:

*God adopted Jesus during baptism (known as Adoptionism)
*Jesus was all God, and only appeared to be human (Docetism )
*The three lived together like a family (Tritheism)
*Only God the Father is the true God, the Son and the Holy Spirit are not.

I think Trinity as a dogma was later introduced into Christianity to grant divinity to "The Only Begotten Son" Jesus.
It will make more sense for the Son of God to be God, for the Spirit of God to also be God.

This is what informed Trinity.

shadeyinka:
1. But does it make sense for the soul (Ruh) of man to be punished for the sins commited by the physical person.
2. Does the soul have a mouth and ears to hear the questioning of the angels?
3. How come the Ruh of man cannot argue that the physical man was the guilty person and not him as
*Murder is done by the Physical man
*Fornication is by the physical man
*Even prayer and good deeds is done by the Physical man

WOW!

Like i said earlier, you are using the Trinity lens.

The Soul is the person:

[4:110] Al-Nisā-النِّسَآء
"وَ مَنۡ یَّعۡمَلۡ سُوۡٓءًا اَوۡ یَظۡلِمۡ نَفۡسَہٗ ثُمَّ یَسۡتَغۡفِرِ اللّٰہَ یَجِدِ اللّٰہَ غَفُوۡرًا رَّحِیۡمًا ﴿۱۱۰﴾

And he who commits evil or wrongs his own soul and then seeks Allah’s forgiveness will find Allah Most Forgiving, Ever-Merciful.

[4:111] Al-Nisā-النِّسَآء
"وَ مَنۡ یَّکۡسِبۡ اِثۡمًا فَاِنَّمَا یَکۡسِبُہٗ عَلٰی نَفۡسِہٖ ؕ وَ کَانَ اللّٰہُ عَلِیۡمًا حَکِیۡمًا ﴿۱۱۱﴾

And whoever commits sin is only bringing (its consequent misery) to his own soul and Allah is All-Knowing, Most Wise.


[7:9] Al-A‘rāf-الْأَعْرَاف
"وَ مَنۡ خَفَّتۡ مَوَازِیۡنُہٗ فَاُولٰٓئِکَ الَّذِیۡنَ خَسِرُوۡۤا اَنۡفُسَہُمۡ بِمَا کَانُوۡا بِاٰیٰتِنَا یَظۡلِمُوۡنَ ﴿۹﴾

But those whose scales (of righteous deeds) are light, it is they who have harmed their souls because they had been unjust to Our Revelations.

[7:37] Al-A‘rāf-الْأَعْرَاف
"فَمَنۡ اَظۡلَمُ مِمَّنِ افۡتَرٰی عَلَی اللّٰہِ کَذِبًا اَوۡ کَذَّبَ بِاٰیٰتِہٖ ؕ اُولٰٓئِکَ یَنَالُہُمۡ نَصِیۡبُہُمۡ مِّنَ الۡکِتٰبِ ؕ حَتّٰۤی اِذَا جَآءَتۡہُمۡ رُسُلُنَا یَتَوَفَّوۡنَہُمۡ ۙ قَالُوۡۤا اَیۡنَ مَا کُنۡتُمۡ تَدۡعُوۡنَ مِنۡ دُوۡنِ اللّٰہِ ؕ قَالُوۡا ضَلُّوۡا عَنَّا وَ شَہِدُوۡا عَلٰۤی اَنۡفُسِہِمۡ اَنَّہُمۡ کَانُوۡا کٰفِرِیۡنَ ﴿۳۷﴾

Then who can be a greater wrongdoer than the one who fabricates a lie against Allah or rejects His Revelations as false? The share of such people will reach them as has been written in the Book until, when the (angels) whom We send will come to them to take away their souls, they will say (to them): ‘Now where are those (false gods) whom you used to worship besides Allah?’ They will say (replying): ‘They are lost from us (i.e., how they can be seen now!),’ and they will bear witness (themselves) against their own souls that they were doubtlessly disbelievers.

Whenever Allah talks about the hereafter, it is the soul that accounts.

The soul is the person, though not in Trinity as you have it in relation to YHWH in Christianity.

shadeyinka:
Suppose I want to avoid these angels from questioning me, is it possible?

Lets assume I told my people to
1. Put me inside the furnance for melting iron and burn even my bones to smokes
2. Cut my body into 100 parts and feed the body parts to lions, hyenas, pigs and tigers
3. Refuse to bury me but keep my body indefinitely alive in a ice cooled ventilator and 24/7 minuite by minuite surveillance.

Now that I dont have a grave, Do you think the angels will still be able to ask me these three questions?

You will still be asked.

The grave may be symbolic.

After death, it is no longer about the physical body but the Soul which is a spirit.

shadeyinka:
I use not the trinity lens to claim this: perhaps I should walk you through it.

I hope this is a correct view of your belief: if not, you can correct me?
According to you Muslims, when a man dies, two angels will come to him and ask him three basic question
i. What is your religion?
ii. Who was your prophet?
iii. Who is your Lord?
If he replies appropriately as : Islam-Prophet Mohammed-Allah, his state in the grave would be made pleasant. Otherwise, it would be made difficult.
(I may not have ordered the questions according to its sequence)
Is this a correct representation of what you believe?

Continue with your narration. I will be following.

Pls. lets see more Teaching jobs in Kaduna and adjoining states.
Thank you

shadeyinka:
If I gave you my own words, you will claim a doctrinal self acclaimmation and bias. Thus I gave you the scripture

Quran5:68
Say, ‘People of the Book, you have no true basis [for your religion] unless you uphold the Torah, the Gospel, and that which has been sent down to you from your Lord,’ but what has been sent down to you [Prophet] from your Lord is sure to increase many of them in their insolence and defiance: do not worry about those who defy [God].

The Word who being God became Human. This human is called Jesus

lslam at least teaches clearly duality if not trinity (only not Formalized as a doctrine)

Ok.

I am yet to understand the duality or trinity of what, in Islam.

May be you are using the trinity lens on mind to read the Qur'an.

shadeyinka:
John 1:1-3:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

John 1:14:
" The Word became flesh and lived among us. We gazed on his glory, the kind of glory that belongs to the Father's unique Son, who is full of grace and truth."

John 1:10:
"But although he (Christ) made the world, the world didn't recognize him when he came."

John 1:14:
"And Christ became a human being and lived here on earth among us and was full of loving forgiveness and truth. And some of us have seen his glory --the glory of the only Son of the heavenly Father!"

Heb 1:8-9:
"But to the Son he (God) said, Your throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of your kingdom. You have loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellows."

Col 1:15-17:
"(Christ) Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him (Christ) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."


Does not Islam implicitly teach Duality? Yet Trinity is difficult for you!

Wonderful verses from the bible!
I prefer a direct answer from you, who understands the bible, better.

Islam teaches duality of what?

...Before the idea (Trinity) was made dogma , at the First Council of Nicaea, there were also other ideas on how to solve the problem. These included:

God adopted Jesus during baptism (known as Adoptionism)

Jesus was all God, and only appeared to be human (Docetism)

The three lived together like a family (Tritheism)

Only God the Father is the true God, the Son and the Holy Spirit are not.

May be as Partners with Allah i guess...

[3:66] Āl ‘Imrān-آل عِمْرَان
"ہٰۤاَنۡتُمۡ ہٰۤؤُلَآءِ حَاجَجۡتُمۡ فِیۡمَا لَکُمۡ بِہٖ عِلۡمٌ فَلِمَ تُحَآجُّوۡنَ فِیۡمَا لَیۡسَ لَکُمۡ بِہٖ عِلۡمٌ ؕ وَ اللّٰہُ یَعۡلَمُ وَ اَنۡتُمۡ لَا تَعۡلَمُوۡنَ ﴿۶۶﴾

Listen! You are the people who have also been disputing about matters of which you had (but some) knowledge. But why do you dispute about things of which you have no knowledge (at all)? And Allah knows but you do not know.

shadeyinka:
The question:
1. Is trinity (first god) + (second god) +God?
Your Answer:

Trinity describes the Identity of God (singular) as
The Father: who wills and decides things that will be
The Word: who commands the will of the Father to be
The Holy Spirit: who powers things commanded into existence

The Father is not the Word
The Word is not the Holy Spirit
The Holy Spirit is not the Father
(For their Office and Roles are different)
Yet,
The Father is God
The Word is God
The Holy Spirit is God

God is a SINGLE UNITARY Entity who created everything seen and unseen.


Trinity is NOT 3 persons making up one God. It is rather ONE God who simultaneously manifests as the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit

If you think the doctrine is confusing, then I can use Islam at least to explain DUALITY (for you teach it without knowing)


The second Question:
2. Is this above Allah's definition of Trinity?

You can see that the definition of Allah is wrong.
Trinity is not partnership with God/Allah BUT the UNITARY God simultaneously existing as the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit.

If God can be simultaneously closer to each one of us in the universe than the jugular vein in our necks, can He not simultaneously be the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit?


Third Question:
3. What do you think is the Christians definition of Trinity?

I think I have explained the Christian definition of Trinity as ONE UNITARY SINGULAR God simultaneously existing as the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit!

1. Not partnership with God
2. Not three Gods uniting together as one.

Permit me to use Islam to EXPLAIN this if it looks impossible or complex or challenging to you.

Is the Son (Jesus), God as in, YHWH?

shadeyinka:
You can see that I am not even making any assertions about Islam (as you claim I can't understand). Therefore, I ask you again

1. Is trinity (first god) + (second god) +God?

2. Is this above Allah's definition of Trinity?
3. What do you think is the Christians definition of Trinity?

Any Muslim must know what he has rejected as error!

1. I think trinity is 3 persons making up one God.
Each of these persons is God. It is a challenging dogma.

Though i can't say if they share equal powers.

2. Yes.

3. You should be in a better position to tell us. You are the Christian.

shadeyinka:
Your Taqqiya doesn't work one bit with me for I know you Muslims in and out. You are prone to changing the meaning of the Qur'an to suit your deception. Allah was wrong in the Qur'an.

The Qur'an is written in Arabic and translated into other languages such as English language. As long as the Qur'an is written in books made of ink and paper, I don't need to Believe in your Allah to QUOTE what is written and printed by machines.


It is only liars that will insist that only God knows about what man has done.

Do you know any Christian sect that says Mary and Jesus are partners with God?




Check the highlight. This is a misconception of Allah about Trinity.

Is trinity (first god) + (second god) +God?

1. Is this Allah's definition of Trinity?
2. What do you think is the Christians definition of Trinity?

Who clearly has a misconception?

You enjoy circus!

You can keep saying the same thing forever. I am too busy for that.

I am here to put the correct perspective of Islam on any issue I feel strongly about, which i do whenever i see one and i did to your post.

You are not competent to interpret the Qur'an, though you may read it either in Arabic or English or both.
You can only ask questions on any part of its content you have a problem with and there are hundreds of Muslims on this forum that can assist you.

Trinity in Islam is 'Shriek' even if the entities involved are: Angels, gods, idols, prophets, mothers of God, sons of God, etc.
This is simply the Islamic Shari ah.

shadeyinka:
Your Taqqiya doesn't work one bit with me for I know you Muslims in and out. You are prone to changing the meaning of the Qur'an to suit your deception. Allah was wrong in the Qur'an.

The Qur'an is written in Arabic and translated into other languages such as English language. As long as the Qur'an is written in books made of ink and paper, I don't need to Believe in your Allah to QUOTE what is written and printed by machines.


It is only liars that will insist that only God knows about what man has done.

Do you know any Christian sect that says Mary and Jesus are partners with God?




Check the highlight. This is a misconception of Allah about Trinity.

Is trinity (first god) + (second god) +God?

1. Is this Allah's definition of Trinity?
2. What do you think is the Christians definition of Trinity?

Who clearly has a misconception?

You enjoy circus!

You can keep saying the same thing forever. I am too busy for that.

I am here to put the correct perspective of Islam on any issue I feel strongly about, which i do whenever i see one and i did to your post.

You are not competent to interpret the Qur'an, though you may read it either in Arabic or English or both.
You can only ask questions on any part of its content you have a problem with and there are hundreds of Muslims on this forum that can assist you.

Trinity in Islam is 'Shriek' even if the entities involved are: Angels, gods, idols, prophets, mothers of God, sons of God, etc.
This is simply the Islamic Shari ah.

shadeyinka:
Exactly!
But Mohammeds impression shouldn't matter because Mohamed didn't write the Qur'an. Allah dictated the Qur'an and thus, Allah should NOT be carried away by misconceptions caused by some Catholics.

Even then in reality, Catholics do not see trinity as God, Mary and Jesus. But they venerate Mary so much that one is bound to misconceive that Mary is the Holy Spirit.

Allah should not be wrong even in asking Jesus the question about partnership with God because the doctrine of trinity was not Formalized until years after Christ.

My perception is that Mohammed could be wrong (he is human) but not Allah!

You don't expect any Muslim to believe you on that verse, do you?

You have to first believe in Allah, before you can quote Him, rightly.
Here you are, telling us that you know better than Allah. Sad!

Anyways, that verse isn't about trinity as you know it, but 'Shriek' as Islam defines it.

There are Christians who worship Mary or Jesus or both. If you don't know this, Allah knows.

Those who seek the intercession of Mary or Jesus in particular are the once concerned in that verse.
Allah is telling them how Jesus will be called upon on the day of 'Assembly' to testify against their false worship and belief.

Compare:
[5:72] Al-Māidah-الْمَآئِدَة
"لَقَدۡ کَفَرَ الَّذِیۡنَ قَالُوۡۤا اِنَّ اللّٰہَ ہُوَ الۡمَسِیۡحُ ابۡنُ مَرۡیَمَ ؕ وَ قَالَ الۡمَسِیۡحُ یٰبَنِیۡۤ اِسۡرَآءِیۡلَ اعۡبُدُوا اللّٰہَ رَبِّیۡ وَ رَبَّکُمۡ ؕ اِنَّہٗ مَنۡ یُّشۡرِکۡ بِاللّٰہِ فَقَدۡ حَرَّمَ اللّٰہُ عَلَیۡہِ الۡجَنَّۃَ وَ مَاۡوٰىہُ النَّارُ ؕ وَ مَا لِلظّٰلِمِیۡنَ مِنۡ اَنۡصَارٍ ﴿۷۲﴾

In fact, they have become disbelievers who say: ‘Allah is the Messiah, the son of Maryam (Mary),’ whereas the Messiah (himself) said: ‘O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, Who is my (as well as) your Lord.’ Indeed, Allah has forbidden Paradise to him who associates partners with Him. And Hell is his abode and the wrongdoers will not find any helpers.

[5:73] Al-Māidah-الْمَآئِدَة
"لَقَدۡ کَفَرَ الَّذِیۡنَ قَالُوۡۤا اِنَّ اللّٰہَ ثَالِثُ ثَلٰثَۃٍ ۘ وَ مَا مِنۡ اِلٰہٍ اِلَّاۤ اِلٰہٌ وَّاحِدٌ ؕ وَ اِنۡ لَّمۡ یَنۡتَہُوۡا عَمَّا یَقُوۡلُوۡنَ لَیَمَسَّنَّ الَّذِیۡنَ کَفَرُوۡا مِنۡہُمۡ عَذَابٌ اَلِیۡمٌ ﴿۷۳﴾

Certainly, they (also) become disbelievers who say: ‘Allah is the third of the three (Gods),’ whereas there is none worthy of worship except the One God. If they do not desist from (the absurdity) which they utter, a grievous punishment will surely torment those of them who disbelieve.

ajailer:
Ppl bashing the OP are actually the ones with comprehension issues or is it because the story is about a place in the north?

OP, don't apologize to no one, the bashing seems to be due to another reason best known to them.

I concur

ContentedK:
I knew the lazy almajiri journalist would want to defend his stupidity.. you think journalism is all about phrasing one topic, take your video camera and go about talking rubbish all in the name of gaining views for your channel. Nothing informative about the poorly documented video. You can’t ascertain the age of a river because it’s nature , common sense should tell you that.. how old is your village if I may ask you, I’m sure you can’t answer that... go back and study.. shiithole had really messed a lot of our youths up...

You need educatiom yourself.

ContentedK:
Lazy garbage journalism, and how did you come up with the statistics that it’s 109 years.. you can’t ascertain the age of a river because it’s nature. Well that’s what you get from someone who went to an almajiri quota system zoo university where you graduate more stupid than you were before you got admitted in.. nonsense

Talking about statistics, how old is the world according to science?

ANTIlSLAM:
Let me enlighten you a little, God's paradise is not a place where you'll be having sex.. The paradise of God is a HOLY Place where there is NO room for lustful affairs as propaganda in Quran. Muhammad and his god allah used this tactics to bring more people into Islam thereby promising them virgins in their own Jannah.

God is Holy but allah is NOT Holy, the kingdom of God is not a place where you'll be having sex as allah through Muhammad brainwashed their followers by assuring them continuation of sexual huge aftermath...

You'll be disappointed getting to heaven find out that someone has deceived you by promising you and your fellow Muslims virgins after death.. PARADISE is ONE, paradise is not a place where you'll be having sex, refute not to be deceived.. I CAN SEE YOU'RE HAPPY WITH FAKE PROMISES OF VIRGINS

Abu Lahab!
Just because you were conceive lustfully and you are bearing lustful children, does not make sex a lustful venture.
Madman!

shadeyinka:
The Lord of this world is the Prince of this world.
John 12:31:
"Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out."

John 14:30: "Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world comes, and has nothing in me."

John 16:11:
"Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged."



I agree with you, the Prince of this world is one.

Another deliberate deflection or nothing relevant from your scripture or both?

budaatum:
Non- any of the three religions will say you are all misguided because you all seem to want to exclusively corner the God, though you all believe the God is the sole creator of all humans, and instead of being perfect in God's image, you create God according to the puny beliefs and images inside your tiny heads.

That's why I like the human teacher Jesus Christ. He not only said, "love your neighbours regardless of their religions, colours, gender or creeds", but "love your enemies even moreso, including those who slap your right cheek to whom you must turn the left cheek to be slapped seven times seventy times too", which if you did try would make your enemies become lovers of you in return, and the world a paradiso instead of wars all over the earth.

But I guess its as a smart person once said, with parenthesis being my addition:

"The Christian (and Judaic and Islam) ideal(s) have not been tried and found wanting. They have been found difficult; and left untried". G.K. Chesterton

Or is it not true that all three religions insist you love your fellow human being? In fact, must you not read all three texts to properly practise any of them? Yet you all live by the bread alone and think the crappy beliefs inside your puny heads are what would matter to a Supreme God when what really matters is that you seek to understand how to Godly treat one another.

Pity, is what I say to you all. Pity. And I can not wait for the day the Holy Book of Nigeria becomes the Trinity of the Torah, NewTestament and the Quran. Perhaps then will we stop being malnourished from eating only bread and become the mighty nation that the Lord God has planned for us to become.

Good Philosophy.

Aketi2:
Muslims generally believe and sometimes forcefully assert that both Christians and Muslims are serving the same God. They even call Islam, Abrahamic faith.

This isn't true.
Islam remains the only Monotheistical religion on the surface of the earth. This is obvious from the Islamic Shahadah.

Judaism and to a very large degree Christianity are more of Polytheist. At best Christianity can be said to be a monothelete.

But for the fact that Islam believes in a common origin for all three religions, we today see Jews and Christians as misguided Monotheists.

So it depends from where we are looking at it.