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shadeyinka:
Taqqiya means deception!

You can't say the affirmative that you worship Yahweh because you don't know any Yahweh, you only know Allah!

This means that even though Allah was given almost attributes of Yahweh, they are not the same person.


I play not with words o!

Yahweh has made a promise to love Israel forever
1Kin 10:9:
"Blessed be the LORD your God, which delighted in you, to set you on the throne of Israel: because the LORD loved Israel for ever, therefore made he you king, to do judgment and justice."

Unfortunately, Allah has sought to destroy Israel.
al-Bukhari (3166).
the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “The Hour will not begin until you fight the Jews, until a Jew will hide behind a rock or a tree, and the rock or tree will say: ‘O Muslim, O slave of Allah, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him – except the gharqad (a kind of thorny tree).’


Would you truely agree that Allah and Yahweh are exactly the same Personality?

If the God of the Jews is the God of the Muslims, why do Muslims hate the Jews with a passion?

You could have opened a thread for this.

Saying Yahweh is a different God from Allah isn't a big deal. After all the beliefs are different.

The Qur'an also says:

[109:1] Al-Kāfirūn-الْکَافِرُوْن
"قُلۡ یٰۤاَیُّہَا الۡکٰفِرُوۡنَ ۙ﴿۱﴾

Say: ‘O disbelievers!

[109:2] Al-Kāfirūn-الْکَافِرُوْن
"لَاۤ اَعۡبُدُ مَا تَعۡبُدُوۡنَ ۙ﴿۲﴾

I do not worship that which you worship.

[109:3] Al-Kāfirūn-الْکَافِرُوْن
"وَ لَاۤ اَنۡتُمۡ عٰبِدُوۡنَ مَاۤ اَعۡبُدُ ۚ﴿۳﴾

Nor do you worship Whom I worship.

[109:4] Al-Kāfirūn-الْکَافِرُوْن
"وَ لَاۤ اَنَا عَابِدٌ مَّا عَبَدۡتُّمۡ ۙ﴿۴﴾

And I shall never worship that which you worship.

[109:5] Al-Kāfirūn-الْکَافِرُوْن
"وَ لَاۤ اَنۡتُمۡ عٰبِدُوۡنَ مَاۤ اَعۡبُدُ ؕ﴿۵﴾

Nor will you worship Whom I worship.

[109:6] Al-Kāfirūn-الْکَافِرُوْن
"لَکُمۡ دِیۡنُکُمۡ وَلِیَ دِیۡنِ ٪﴿۶﴾

(So) you have your din (religion), and I have my Din (Religion).’


But Allah, the Lord of the world is one!

shadeyinka:
But God is also a Title. God is not a name.

The Sango and Ogun worshippers ( African traditional religion) believe that God (Olorun) created the world.


Are you saying that Allah and the God of the Sango worshippers are the same? Is there any distinction between the two Gods?

I am not saying so.
I have given the descriptions of Allah by the qur'an and that is how i understand Allah. You should tell me who Yahweh other than being the name of God, sango or ogun is, then i can understand them.

I think you are just playing with words on the issue of name and title of the supreme being.

Maybe, there is no point continuing.

shadeyinka:
Are you saying that you also worship Yahweh?

Those are the descriptions of Allah.

If Yahweh fits into those descriptions, then Yahweh could be another title for Allah.

Aketi2:
I believe that due to differences in description of the God of the Christianity and Islam, the God of the Christians is different from the God of the Muslims.

Muslims too believe the same.

Aketi2:
Was Allah known to the Arabs? Or was he introduced to the Arabs by Mohammad?

The reason for this question is that the tribe from which Mohammad came out appears to have knowledge of a god called LLah. This is evidence in the attachment of the name of the god LLAH to their names e.g Abdullah.

If this was the case, how can we say he is the one true god given the fact that LLAH is generally identified as the moon god?

Allah has always being there from the beginning.
It was the worship of Allah that was corrupted and replaced with all sorts of idols and objects. This was basically what the prophet came to correct.

shadeyinka:
I answered ALL your questions even with explanations


The name Arab Christians use is Yahweh/Jehovah.

The Titles Arab Christians use are El-ohim, El-oha, El-Shaddai, Adonai, Allah, Al-Aziz, Al-Kaaliq, Al-Razaaq etc

Are you clear now?


BTW: Eloah and Allah are Hebrew/Arabic equivalent (both are Semitic languages meaning "the Deity")

In Islam, Allah is the unique, omnipotent and only deity and creator of the universe and is equivalent to God in other Abrahamic religions . [11][12] Allah is usually seen as the personal name of God, a notion which became disputed in contemporary scholarship, including the question, whether or not the word Allah should be translated as God . [55]
According to Islamic belief, Allah is the most common word to represent God, [56] and humble submission to his will, divine ordinances and commandments is the pivot of the Muslim faith. [11] "He is the only God, creator of the universe, and the judge of humankind." [11][12] "He is unique ( wāḥid) and inherently one ( aḥad ), all-merciful and omnipotent." [11] The Qur'an declares "the reality of Allah, His inaccessible mystery, His various names, and His actions on behalf of His creatures." [11]
The concept correlates to the Tawhid , where chapter 112 of the Qur'an ( Al-'Ikhlās , The Sincerity) reads:
۝ [57] SAY, God is one GOD;
۝ the eternal GOD:
۝ He begetteth not, neither is He begotten:
۝ and there is not any one like unto Him. [58]
and in the Ayat ul-Kursi ("Verse of the Throne", which is the 255th verse and the powerful verse in the longest chapter (the 2nd chapter) of the Qur'an, Al-Baqarah ( "The Cow" states:
"Allah! There is no deity but Him , the Alive, the Eternal. Neither slumber nor sleep overtaketh
Him .
Unto Him belongeth whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth. Who could intercede in His presence without His permission?
He knoweth that which is in front of them and that which is behind them, while they encompass nothing of His knowledge except what He wills.
His throne includeth the heavens and the earth, and He is never weary of preserving them.
He is the Sublime, the Tremendous."


In Islamic tradition, there are 99 Names of God ( al-asmā' al-ḥusná lit. meaning: 'the best names' or 'the most beautiful names'), each of which evoke a distinct characteristic of Allah. [12][59] All these names refer to Allah, the supreme and all-comprehensive divine name. [60] Among the 99 names of God, the most famous and most frequent of these names are "the Merciful" ( ar-Raḥmān ) and "the Compassionate" ( ar-Raḥīm ), [12][59] including the forementioned above al-Aḥad ("the One, the Indivisible" and al-Wāḥid ("the Unique, the Single".

[quote author=shadeyinka post=99484464]I answered ALL your questions even with explanations

The name Arab Christians use is Yahweh/Jehovah.

Now you answered my question.

shadeyinka:
I will like to see a credible link to show that because the Philistines were well into metallurgy before the Jews.




Here are quotations from an Islamic website!
The Qur’an refers to Allah as the Lord of the Worlds. Unlike the biblical Yahweh (sometimes misread as Jehovah), he has no personal name, and his traditional 99 names are really epithets.

Allah is usually thought to mean “the god” (al-ilah) in Arabic and is probably cognate with rather than derived from the Aramaic Alaha.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/who-is-allah-understanding-god-in-islam-39558


Here is another from an Islamic website:

The strongest position , including the position taken by the famous Persian grammarian Sibawayh (the "father" of Arabic grammar), is that it is derived from اَلَهَ (alaha) - which means to worship or to show servitude. The name الله then, is a grammatical shortening of الإلاه (Al-Ilah) - the deity who is worshipped.

And Allah knows better!

If you care for knowledge, here is another Islamic website that shows the connection between
Allah and Elohim/Eloah.
http://www.usislam.org/allah/allbible.htm

Even in Hebrew, Elohim/Eloah is a generic name for a deity!


Study to KNOW!

God is a TITLE
Allah is a TITLE
El-ohim/Eloah is a TITLE
Jehovah/Yahweh is a name.

Mohammadu Buhari is a PRESIDENT
Joe Biden is a PRESIDENT

Aren't they different personalities?

I say nothing extraordinary different from what your clerics have known



I am forced to because Abdullah, the father of Prophet Mohammed SAW wasn't a Muslim but he was a servant of Allah.

How do you explain this?





God is a TITLE
Allah is a TITLE
El-ohim/Eloah is a TITLE

Olorun, Chukwu, Ubangiji, Allah, El-oha, El-ohim, Olodumare are ALL titles of Deities.
Just as:
President, Head of State, Governor, Chairman, Head of Department, Oba, Seriki, Emir, Obi are all titles of Leaders





Jehovah/Yahweh is a name.

[b]Mohammadu Buhari is a PRESIDENT
Joe Biden is a PRESIDENT


What is the name of the Deity behind your Olorun, Chukwu, Ubangiji, Allah, El-oha, El-ohim or Olodumare?

Mine is Yahweh, so is it with the Arab Christians, what is yours?

I don't have to quote from any site. This is what every Muslim should know.


I still don't think you've answered my question.


Mark, J. J. (2018, October 22). Yahweh. World History Encyclopedia. Retrieved from https://www.ancient.eu/Yahweh/

ANTIlSLAM:
If truly you're knowledgeable, you won't make such a disgraceful blunder taking Moses for Abraham, A Nursery 1 student will never make such a mistake.. Surat multitasking is your own method of taqqiya very good of you oya clap for yourself

You read Bible and Quran but see how I cornered you, your IQ is below 20 with this cheapest blunder you made

ABU LAHAB, the m.a.dman is also talking about IQ.

This life!

GOVERNMENT2:
ABU LAHAB CREATE A NEW THREAD FOR THIS CONVERSATION

Thank you sir!
You just gave me an idea.

shadeyinka:
Arabs use the term as a title(like president, king, chairman, god/God) not as a name ( Buhari, Biden, Yahweh).

It simply means "the deity".

Yahweh is the deity of the Christians and Jews!
What is the name of the deity of the Muslims?

Some Muslims agree Allah has no personal name other than title



The Qur’an refers to Allah as the Lord of the Worlds. Unlike the biblical Yahweh (sometimes misread as Jehovah), he has no personal name, and his traditional 99 names are really epithets.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/who-is-allah-understanding-god-in-islam-39558

Some writers also posited that Yahweh was the name of God of Metallurgy, which later metamorphosed into a supreme God. That's BTW.

Well, the personal name or title 'Allah' seem to be a problem to you because you are not a Muslim or an Arab Christian and i can understand.

Allah in Islam is the name or title, for your convenience of the Supreme Being, as you can imagine. You can as well call him by other names or titles as long as you are addressing him.
To him belongs the most beautiful names and titles.

I am only concerned that you always ascribe Allah as the name of one of the idols in the pre islamic period.

Therefore i ask.
What is the name or title as you would like it, used to address the deity of Christianity by the Arab Christians both in their books and worship?
Having it at the back of your mind that Christianity predates Islam.

Aketi2:
People generally believe that the name of the Islamic god is "Allah". Arabian Christians even use the term to describe the God of the Christians. But this is wrong, as I am going to show in this short thesis.

H0: The name of the Islamic god is Allah
H1: The name of the Islamic god is not Allah

Proof:

I will start my argument by stating unequivocally that the name of the Islamic god is ILLAH and not Allah. As we know, ALLAH is a contraction of two words AL and ILLAH. Typically, the Arabs will tell us that "AL" means "the". However, what they will not tell us is that "AL" also means god/goddess. "AL" has its root in the Aramaic word "EL", which means God. It is this latter usage that makes more sense when AL-ILLAH is contracted to ALLAH. With this, AL-LAH will transliterate to mean "god-LAH". This is true when one considers the names of the three most important deities in the Kaaba namely; AL-LAT, AL-UZZAT and AL-MANAT. Notice the prefix "AL" before their names. If we adopt the latter meaning of the word "AL"; the goddess AL-MANAT will then"goddess MANAT"; AL-UZZAT, "goddess UZZAT". More over if we apply the meaning of AL as "the", it will not make sense to render the names of these goddesses as "The MANAT", The UZZAT" etc. If it is not possible to do this with AL-LAT, AL-UZZAT and AL-MANAT, Why should we treat AL-ILAH any differently?

Notice the following words:
La ilaha Illallah wahdahu (There is none worthy of worship except Allah alone)
La ilaha illallahu la sharikalahu (There is none worthy of worship except Allah with no partner or associate)
La illah illallah, lahul mulku wa lahul hamdu (There is none worthy of worship except Allah, all dominion is His and all praise is to Him)
La illaha illallah, la hawla wa la quwwata illa billah (There is none worthy of worship and there is no power and no strength except with Allah)

"Allah" only appears in the English interpretation, while Illah is used in the Arabic. I think this proves my hypothesis that the name of the Arabic god is Illah and not Allah.

Let me hear your argument for or against this my hypothesis.

Weldone!
What then should be the correct name for "God" among the Arab Christians? Cos you seem to understand arabic more than the Arab Christians.

[quote author=shadeyinka post=99460682]I think you are currently correct!

Laha equivalent to Elaha

[i]Others held that it was borrowed from Syriac or Hebrew, but most considered it to be derived from a contraction of the Arabic definite article al- "the" and ilāh "deity, god" to al-lāh meaning "the deity", or "the God".The majority of modern scholars subscribe to the latter theory, and view the loanword hypothesis with skepticism.

Knowing this much, why do you mischievously still ascribe the name to an idol?

Be sincere with the whole truth.

shadeyinka:
It's a generic name for a god/deity the prefix should not be looked on with an English meaning.

It's just like given a title
-Richard the Lion heart
-Henry the brave
-Mohammed the trustworthy etc

The truth is that Allah was one of the 360 gods in the Kaaba. Mohammed's father Abdullah has a name meaning servant of Allah as a proof

Then why do the Arab Christians use the name Allah to mean God both in their books and in their worships since you kept regarding it as the name of an idol?

ANTIlSLAM:
Frustration is looming in your brain it's better you are ignored, abandoned like a filthy rag because all you knw is comparing your people at home like a madman. You jumped from no where to interfere in what that doesn't consign you, it shows how you were brought up..

On this note, if according to you people around you are madmen it means your parents, siblings, neighbours, etc are also mad people except if they are only animals...

You jumped from no where to interfere in what that doesn't consign you...

According to a madman!

ANTIlSLAM:
Including your people at home if I may ask?

Wahala for person wey wan answer mad man question

ANTIlSLAM:
There is No God/god but Allah.. But they claimed God is English word for Allah whereas they will never put it this way..

There is No Allah but Allah

Or

There is No God but God

Or

There is No God but Allah

All because their god allah will be exposed

Mad people, everywhere!

ANTIlSLAM:
We must expose quran

Are you just starting?
Stale!

AntiChristian:
Because liars with similar minds like you put up lies long ago and called them hadiths. The falsehood had to be separated from the proven ones.
And we have our approved ways of authenticating which hadiths are proven and which are not. And this is a large branch of study called Science of hadith.

So here are your own questions!
1. Do you follow all the laws from Genesis to revelation in your Bible?
2. When was the Bible as it is today first compiled?
3. Can you mention the Books/chapters it contained?
4. How was each book authenticated?
5. Who were the writer of each Books?
6. And how can we ascertain these writers of the OT and NT?
7. Who were the copyists of each of the Bible Books?
8. How was it preserved from generation to generation?
9. What do you think of John 5:7 in the KJV and in the other recent Bible versions?

WOW!

I need to save these questions for another day.

Your moniker is apt.
Thank you antichristian.

Mikecold:
Now listen up.

When Israel agreed to make a covenant with Yaweh, they became his chosen people, so Yaweh has a right to scold his chosen people who are in agreement with him.

This scolding doesn't involve those who are not part of the Yaweh covenant.

If allah scolds Muslims it shouldn't be any non Muslims problem because they don't belong to the allah children.

You don't tell a father how to correct his child so long as it's lawful.


However if allah is calling for the scolding of all humanity to himself by beheading etc it becomes a problem because humanity didn't sign an agreement to be with Allah which warrant his forced call

You are not worthy of my time not even my play time.

So, i move...

Regene2020:
You are very shallow.

It's commentary because you can't fault it

Ok can you tell us how your supposed solution should be in this situation,

Don't run o, tell us

No allah knows best

Atleast i am not shallow enough not to understand this:

It is not your business how Yaweh chooses to punish them for breaking the oat they swore to keep.

Off course you are too intelligent to understand your own words mean:

YAWEH KNOWS BEST.

Continue....

ANTIlSLAM:
Help me appeal to AntiChristian to answer the question

wetin you go use d ansa do?

ANTIlSLAM:
So allah and his angels prayed for Muhammad and the same allah revealed that to you abi, wait who's allah sending the prayer request to?

Kikikikikikiki

This ur qweshon na die

TruthHurts1:
Are you denying the honourable Sheikh Albani? Does that mean you're no longer a Muslim?

Kikikikikikiki

wetin dis one dey talk, ntori Olohun!

He thinks he is dealing with beer parlour Muslims.

Nonsense!

Regene2020:
There is nothing like grumsome killings

When the children of God led by Joshua were to invade cannan the land Yaweh promised them (Joshua 2:5-21)

There was an inhabitant woman who testified that they heard of Yaweh signs and wonders in Egypt, and they were all terrified for it.

The woman testified that Yaweh had given the land to Israel but begged Israel to save her and her family.

The others instead of begging put up resistance and were destroyed.

There is record of another part of Cannan dwellers who came to negotiate with Israel and were spared to live side by side with them.

Yaweh owns the land and has right to chase off the illegal settlers who put up resistance

Yaweh owns the land and has right to chase off the illegal settlers who put up resistance.

kikikikikikiki

Continue running commentary...

Regene2020:
Abdul, pray to allah for comprehension, oops i forgot you don't pray you only recite arabic letters like a bot.

On the above quote, the Israelites in question made an oat with Yaweh to fulfil his commands.

It is not your business how Yaweh chooses to punish them for breaking the oat they swore to keep.

They benefited the goodies from Yaweh when they fulfilled their oat too, part of the goodies involves the land Yaweh gave to them.

You can't also tell a landowner how to drive illegal enroachers from his land so long as law backs him even if they have already established on it

Allah didn't make oat with you in any verse of the quran (as best deceiver) so he can always send you to hell after your slavery to him on earth

It is not your business how Yaweh chooses to punish them for breaking the oat they swore to keep.

kikikikikikiki

So you can justify the gruesome killings commanded by Yaweh as spread in your Bible?

Yet you ask Muslims Why?

Kai Dey fear Yaweh nah!

Regene2020:
What frustration are you talking about?

Do you have a meter to measure frustration online or you speaking from reverse psychology

AbdulzaWEED even knows it's a banter

If advocatejar.e replies to the topic as usual with the same evidences that contradict muslims they would be the ones to say allah knows best in defeat

Ok.

I never knew they are good friends.

kikikikikikiki.

advocatejare:
Online beggar o ri oro gidi so mo yato si "kikikikikiki"

Keep posting your account details maybe someone will pity your condition.

Aliu Saheed Adeshina

You've still not known that blackmail isn't working all these years!

What has his status got to do with the topic?

Why not try using few millions from your billions to win atleast a soul for christ, since keyboard/keypad is only able to yield more frustration for you and your envagelism for christ.

kikikikikikikiki

shadeyinka:
I think you should know that there is a difference between a TITLE and a NAME!

OBA (king) is a title while Lamidi Adeyemi is a name
PRESIDENT is a title while Muhammadu Buhari or Joe Biden are names

God, Eloha, Allah, Olorun etc is the TITLE for the CREATOR: but His name is YHWH!

As one one claims that the God of Moses, Zachariah, Mary etc is ALSO your own God, what name other than his TITLE or ATTRIBUTE is He Called?

I am sure you know that the Creator has thousands of TITLES

I I think you just want to disagree by all mean. But no wahala!

The President of Nigeria is the title of Buhari.
Buhari is the name of the President of Nigeria
Both statements address one person; Buhari.

YHWH is the name of God.
God is the title of YHWH.

I can as well say YHWH and all other names use to address God are TITLES. HIS name is ALLAH SWT!
Source? The Glorious Qur'an.

But Allah also addresses himself with several other names and you can call him by any of those names.

[17:110] Al-’Isrā-الْإِسْرَاء/بَنِيْ إِسْرَآءِيْل
"قُلِ ادۡعُوا اللّٰہَ اَوِ ادۡعُوا الرَّحۡمٰنَ ؕ اَیًّامَّا تَدۡعُوۡا فَلَہُ الۡاَسۡمَآءُ الۡحُسۡنٰی ۚ وَ لَا تَجۡہَرۡ بِصَلَاتِکَ وَ لَا تُخَافِتۡ بِہَا وَ ابۡتَغِ بَیۡنَ ذٰلِکَ سَبِیۡلًا ﴿۱۱۰﴾

Say: ‘Call on Allah or call on al-Rahman (the Most Compassionate), by whatever Name you invoke Him, (all) the Best Names are His..


YHWH is what language?

Does it have a meaning?

Was there no name for YHWH before YHWH became known?

What name do you address YHWH in:

English
Yoruba

shadeyinka:
1. No contradiction that:

1. Allah is the name of the chief idol in the Kaaba!
Is the same as
2. Allah is the the name of the supreme being!
claimed by Muslims

2. No contradiction that:

It is logically possible that Abdullah's Allah (an idol made of wood/stone) was upgraded by Mohammed to be like the Jehovah of the Jews (who is without an image)?

Okay!

No contradiction.

I only answered you with what you want to hear.

I am sure you know that even idol worshippers believe in a supreme being (God) up there, greater than the objects they worship.

The objects serve as intercessors between the worshippers and the supreme being.
This is also the practice in Christianity. Christians largely worship God through Jesus (in Jesus name). While some worship Jesus in place of God.

Jesus is like a deity that intercedes between then and the Supreme God.

In the Yoruba pantheon or religion, Who is Olorun or Olodumare or Olofin-Orun?

Is there a deity that represents Olorun?

What is the name of the Supreme being (God) in Yoruba language today?
Think!

The Supreme Being, Allah SWT was known, even before the coming of the Prophet SAW.

These are what the Prophet of Islam came to abolish, the intercession of deities between man and God.

shadeyinka:
Like I said before, Allah and Eloah are the same word in the Semitic languages to which Arabic and Hebrew belong; and they have the same meaning "the god" and is a generic term (like the king) used to refer to any deity or idol. In other words Allah or Eloah is a title and not the name of the God of Abraham. The name of the God of Abraham is Jehovah/Yahweh!


I hope you are not contradicting yourself.
The question was:
Is the God of Abdullah the same as the God of Prophet Mohammed?


1. Allah is the name of the chief idol in the Kaaba!
2. Allah is the the name of the supreme being!

Is it not logically possible that Abdullah's Allah (an idol made of wood/stone) was upgraded by Mohammed to be like the Jehovah of the Jews (who is without an image)?

Just to emphasize what you have in mind.
No contradiction.

Mikecold:
Exactly


Washing of private part with kettle, saying shahada doesnt work for remission of sin.

Ask those who know if you don't know.