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Mikecold:
This is a terrible approach to theology.

Your Islamic historians/books which you follow named Mohamed Father Abdullah (this isn't a Chinese foreigner were you dismiss and say it's their opinion/subjective).

This theology of his father name has been certified by Muslims centuries before you and continues to be the earliest account in Islam.

You can not cherry pick some part of your history when it suit you and dismiss it when it doesn't.

If you say Mohamed Father god (Allah) was an idol and you want to dismiss such

what makes it true that the allah you and Mohamed came to worship isn't the same allah his father worshipped?

Mohamed Father has an earlier account to the god allah than Mohamed who came after him.

You can't turn logic on its head and say the man who came second in a race is winner against the one who crossed the line first.

Everything not just one thing is disputed about the god of allah Mohamed worshipped.

If there was copyright in those times Mohamed Father would have sued his mo.ron of a son who was too intellectually lazy he had to copy paste his father idol as his

Anything can be disputed even with documentary evidences in some cases, including the existence of God or Yaweh as you know and understand it.

Religion is not logic neither is it scientific Religion is about beliefs and practises.
What maybe religious may not be logical or scientifical vis a vis.
What is logical or scientifical about God or Yaweh sending his only begotten son or Himself coming down to earth to die for the sins of His own creation inorder to forgive them their sins?
Think!

As an open enemy of Islam that you are, you go about sourcing for materials and interpretations that suit your convictions about Islam, yet as a Practising Muslim that I am, i "cherry pick" according to you to defend Islam. LOL!
Think!

What is this theology you kept crying over?
How come you never knew Theology is subjective? Subjecting Islam to your own theology is erronous. Islam has it own theology, which you may disagree with just as i may disagree with yours.

I am not here for comparative study of religions, though there are thousands of Muslims who can engage you.
I am here to speak strictly as a Muslim and my convictions about Islam.

shadeyinka:
But Prophet Mohammed's father's name was Abdullah (servant of Allah). The question I'll like you to answer is this:

Is the God of Abdullah the same as the God of Prophet Mohammed?

Allah is the name of the Supreme God.
Whether the Prophet's father was named after a chief idol called Allah according to some writers is subjective.
One thing that cannot be disputed is that Allah is the name of the Supreme being in Arabic language.
The Allah of Islam is not an idol.

shadeyinka:
You just reiterated the point. You can't go to the church and shout Jehovah Akbar.

Allah and Elohim are both Semitic languages meaning "the god" and it is non specific TITLE for a deity (like "the king" . But as we all know, every king has a name just like every God has a name!

The name of the God of the Christians is Jehovah!
The name of the God of the Muslims is Allah!

They are NOT the same Personality!

If you say they are not the same personality, no Wahala nah!

Islam tells me who Allah is and that is where i stand.

[2:255] Al-Baqarah-الْبَقَرَة
"اَللّٰہُ لَاۤ اِلٰہَ اِلَّا ہُوَۚ اَلۡحَیُّ الۡقَیُّوۡمُ ۬ۚ لَا تَاۡخُذُہٗ سِنَۃٌ وَّ لَا نَوۡمٌ ؕ لَہٗ مَا فِی السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ مَا فِی الۡاَرۡضِ ؕ مَنۡ ذَا الَّذِیۡ یَشۡفَعُ عِنۡدَہٗۤ اِلَّا بِاِذۡنِہٖ ؕ یَعۡلَمُ مَا بَیۡنَ اَیۡدِیۡہِمۡ وَ مَا خَلۡفَہُمۡ ۚ وَ لَا یُحِیۡطُوۡنَ بِشَیۡءٍ مِّنۡ عِلۡمِہٖۤ اِلَّا بِمَا شَآءَ ۚ وَسِعَ کُرۡسِیُّہُ السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ الۡاَرۡضَ ۚ وَ لَا یَـُٔوۡدُہٗ حِفۡظُہُمَا ۚ وَ ہُوَ الۡعَلِیُّ الۡعَظِیۡمُ ﴿۲۵۵﴾

Allah! None is worthy of worship but He, the Ever-Living, the Self-Subsisting, the One Who sustains and protects (the entire universe with His strategy). He is seized by neither slumber nor sleep. Whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth belongs to Him alone. Who can dare intercede with Him except by His permission? (He) knows all that is (happening or has happened) before the Creation, and all that is (about to happen) after them; and they cannot encompass anything of His knowledge except that which He wills. His Throne (of Empire and Power and Authority) encompasses the heavens and the earth, and the protection of both (the earth and the heavens) does not pose Him any difficulty. And He alone is Most High, Most Great.

MaxInDHouse:
This is political!

The Arab world want to take over power from the West, they found out that the nation that served longest as world power in the past was Italy (Rome) and the tool Romans used to keep that position for that long was Catholicism (religion)
So after lots of internal disputes amongst themselves they came to agree that Muhammad whom they themselves exterminated would have been useful to them. HOW?
If all Arabs should embrace the same god instead of each family having it's own god as they've been doing in the past, it will be easier for them to form alliance against the west and they will use Islam (religion) to recruit more fighters to support them.
Muhammad was assassinated because he is imposing the custom of the Jews on them and telling them that their numerous gods are worthless. Before then there was no nation on this planet that's worshiping just one deity except Israel. So they thought he is insulting them by raising the tradition of their enemies against their own, but when they now reconciled and thought of making use of what Muhammad introduced, the bone of contention now is which name will the God of Islam be called?
Of course Muhammad can't call on the name of the God of the Jews "JEHOVAH" in the midst of the enemies of Israel so he can't fabricate any name other than living it as God (Allah)
So Allah simply means God and God is just a title not the name of any specific deity, the name the God of the Hebrews called himself is "JEHOVAH"
If i want to preach and teach an Arabian about my own God now, i'll use the name JEHOVAH but when talking about the title then Allah would be appropriate because Allah simply means God therefore all the deities in the world could be referred to as Allah (god) why the Arabs fought against Muhammad wasn't the name but that there is just one Allah (god) so which Allah (god) should be scrapped amongst several deities that the inhabitants of Mecca worshiped back then and which should be retained? That's what caused the rift between Muhammad and his people not the issue of a specific name!

JW Perspective. Ok.

shadeyinka:
Is Allah the same as Jehovah?

Just go to any mosque and shout "Jehovah Allahu Akbar" and see if you are not reduced to minced meat!

Can you go to any Church and shout "Jehovah Akbar"? or "God Akbar". LOL

Jehovah is Hebrew, Allah is Arabic.
Jehovah is Hebrew, Akbar is Arabic.
Reconcile them.

What about "Olohun Akbar".
Chineke Akbar
Ubangiji Akbar
Ojoo Akbar etc.

Think!

Mikecold:
Answer the questions and stop beating round the bush.

I don't see where i have insulted you when you condenmed yourself as a slave.

When i come to my senses, my Muslim friend you are talking to a person of knowledge.

Your Quran cetifies me as a person of the book

Book is synonymous with knowledge

There are knowledge and there are knowledge.
There are books and there are books.
which one are you boostful of?

Anyways, I only have answers for sensible questions.
If i see any from you, as i have always done, be sure of an answer.

Mikecold:
There is no sense in this passage.

This passage is simply deflecting issues instead of addressing them, Mohamed was aware that contradictions was always going to be raised against his inconsistent doctrines.

The summary of that passage simply implies when asked about proof for Quran validation and Bible plagiarism just say allah knows best (because no evidence to give and no theology to stand on)

Instead of Mohamed to give answers and evidences to the questions constantly raised, he preferred to use reverse physiology and play the victim card.

This is a lame attempt to defend Quran validation from the Bible.


Muslims can kill for allah and perform jihad but suddenly become sissies when theology comes to the fore.

Answer my questions, i don't also want to hear allah knows best

The verse is apt in my view and understanding.
It is simply enjoining us as Muslims to desist from calling others Gods and revered detestable names.
Instead, this is what the Qur'an commands,

[16:125] Al-Naḥl-النَّحْل
"اُدۡعُ اِلٰی سَبِیۡلِ رَبِّکَ بِالۡحِکۡمَۃِ وَ الۡمَوۡعِظَۃِ الۡحَسَنَۃِ وَ جَادِلۡہُمۡ بِالَّتِیۡ ہِیَ اَحۡسَنُ ؕ اِنَّ رَبَّکَ ہُوَ اَعۡلَمُ بِمَنۡ ضَلَّ عَنۡ سَبِیۡلِہٖ وَ ہُوَ اَعۡلَمُ بِالۡمُہۡتَدِیۡنَ ﴿۱۲۵﴾

(O Glorious Messenger!) Invite towards the path of your Lord with wisdom and refined exhortation and (also) argue with them in a most decent manner. Surely, your Lord knows well the one who strayed away from His path, and He also knows well the rightly guided.

Mikecold:
Answer the questions and stop beating round the bush.

I don't see where i have insulted you when you condenmed yourself as a slave.

When i come to my senses, my Muslim friend you are talking to a person of knowledge.

Your Quran cetifies me as a person of the book

Book is synonymous with knowledge

Your senses seem to be returning. Good!

Mikecold:
It is not my concern whether you have chosen to be a slave to a peadophile god.

These writing from a caravan desert thief is not enough to justify his claims as been a continuation from the Bible.

Like i said above, i do not enjoy the luxury of curses you do.

But anytime you return to your senses, i will be too glad to enrich those senses.

[6:108] Al-An‘ām-الْأَنْعَام
"وَ لَا تَسُبُّوا الَّذِیۡنَ یَدۡعُوۡنَ مِنۡ دُوۡنِ اللّٰہِ فَیَسُبُّوا اللّٰہَ عَدۡوًۢا بِغَیۡرِ عِلۡمٍ ؕ کَذٰلِکَ زَیَّنَّا لِکُلِّ اُمَّۃٍ عَمَلَہُمۡ ۪ ثُمَّ اِلٰی رَبِّہِمۡ مَّرۡجِعُہُمۡ فَیُنَبِّئُہُمۡ بِمَا کَانُوۡا یَعۡمَلُوۡنَ ﴿۱۰۸﴾

And, (O Muslims,) do not abuse these (false gods) that these (polytheists) worship besides Allah, lest these people should (also, in retaliation,) revile against Allah’s Glory wrongfully due to ignorance. Thus have We made the conduct of every sect (and faction) seem attractive to (their own eyes and they regard only that as truth). Then all have to return to their Lord, and He will inform them of (the results of) their deeds which they used to do.

Mikecold:
Lol how pathetic, you vomit a bunch of arabic writing confessing to believe in the Bible (ok fine anybody can do this especially when they don't have an history of their own).

The biggest problem is to make outrageous claim to be from the same stock and continuation of the the Bible (yet you don't prove where in the Bible points to your validation of continuation)

You call the biggest outrageous claim not a big deal because you simply accept it's account.

This is very shallow because you must proof how the story changed from been a Jewish centric one to Arab centric

You must prove how the morally upright God in the Bible changed to a one who shields a supposed prophet for paedophile, sex etc.

You must prove how the God in the Bible went from promising Israel an everlasting covenant to a god that hates jews with passion.

You must prove why the practice of worshiping God in the Bible changed to circling a stone half Na!ked.

These are just a few that are germane before validating a religion to be a continuation of an already established religion.

What ardent of Quran is nullifying the Bible?

Is it the sharia ardents practised by islamic nations which have instituted organised terrorism globally?

Is it the ardents of Quran that Muslims are running away from in chaos?

Is it the ardents of Quran that makes islamic nations the most dreadful in terms of human rights abuse?

Are you comparing the western nations that were established by traditional Christian ardents to nations established by islamic ardents?

We know the nations that are viable in terms of how an ideal society should run

Fortunately for you, i do not have the luxury of curses you enjoy.

Mikecold:
Of course, I take that as a compliment, i don't expect you to go beyond this as a faithful slave of allah.

However i expected you would interject on my discussion with my atheist friend or perhaps answers the questions i posed to you.

Your plagiarised Quran instructed you to consult the people of the book should you stumble into the regular pit falls of non comprehension expected in its stolen foundation

So i am always here to englighten you on the theology which quran refers in confusion to as allah knows best

Alhamdullilah!
Allah found me worthy to be his Servant!
[3:64] Āl ‘Imrān-آل عِمْرَان
"قُلۡ یٰۤاَہۡلَ الۡکِتٰبِ تَعَالَوۡا اِلٰی کَلِمَۃٍ سَوَآءٍۢ بَیۡنَنَا وَ بَیۡنَکُمۡ اَلَّا نَعۡبُدَ اِلَّا اللّٰہَ وَ لَا نُشۡرِکَ بِہٖ شَیۡئًا وَّ لَا یَتَّخِذَ بَعۡضُنَا بَعۡضًا اَرۡبَابًا مِّنۡ دُوۡنِ اللّٰہِ ؕ فَاِنۡ تَوَلَّوۡا فَقُوۡلُوا اشۡہَدُوۡا بِاَنَّا مُسۡلِمُوۡنَ ﴿۶۴﴾

Say: ‘O People of the Book, come to that matter which is common between us and you (namely that): we shall worship none other than Allah, and we shall not associate any partner with Him. Nor shall anyone of us take one another as Lords apart from Allah. Then if they turn away, say: Bear witness that we are but Allah’s obedient servants (Muslims).’

Mikecold:
No Muslim can challenge a Christian or Jew in the first place because Islam plagiarized its book.

You can't see some one who plagiarized coming out to say otherwise, they run for cover.

Bible and all its entails is a Jewish book about Jewish people with passages from old testament verifying the christian book of new testament according to Isaiah 52 and 53.

The Bible has no reference to the quran or Mohamed nor the quranic Arabian people which is a stark tremendous overturn from the Bible yet never deemed fit for reference in Bible

The Qur'an was revealed to the Prophet confirming what was before it.

[3:2] Āl ‘Imrān-آل عِمْرَان
"اللّٰہُ لَاۤ اِلٰہَ اِلَّا ہُوَ ۙ الۡحَیُّ الۡقَیُّوۡمُ ؕ﴿۲﴾

Allah! None is worthy of worship but He, the Ever-Living, Self-Subsisting and Sustainer (of the entire universe with His Strategy).
[3:3] Āl ‘Imrān-آل عِمْرَان
"نَزَّلَ عَلَیۡکَ الۡکِتٰبَ بِالۡحَقِّ مُصَدِّقًا لِّمَا بَیۡنَ یَدَیۡہِ وَ اَنۡزَلَ التَّوۡرٰىۃَ وَ الۡاِنۡجِیۡلَ ۙ﴿۳﴾

(O Beloved!) He is the One Who has revealed to you (this) Book with truth. (It) confirms (all those Books) that were revealed before it. And He is the One Who has revealed the Torah and the Injil (the Gospel).
[3:4] Āl ‘Imrān-آل عِمْرَان
"مِنۡ قَبۡلُ ہُدًی لِّلنَّاسِ وَ اَنۡزَلَ الۡفُرۡقَانَ ۬ؕ اِنَّ الَّذِیۡنَ کَفَرُوۡا بِاٰیٰتِ اللّٰہِ لَہُمۡ عَذَابٌ شَدِیۡدٌ ؕ وَ اللّٰہُ عَزِیۡزٌ ذُو انۡتِقَامٍ ﴿۴﴾

(As the Books were revealed) before this to guide the people, He has (now, in like manner,) revealed (the Qur’an,) the criterion to distinguish right from wrong. Verily, those who deny Allah’s Revelations, for them is rigorous punishment. And Allah is Almighty, the Lord of Retribution.

What you call plagiarism, is to us a confirmation of the books before the Qur'an.

To say the Bible has no reference to the Qur'an or the Prophet "may not be true".
References have been found to the Qur'an and the Prophet from the Bible, though, i won't want to discuss that here.

I am concern with what the Qur'an has to say because, it advent has nulified the relevance of the Bible today.

Mikecold:
I know Abdul, every Muslim is Ashamed of its religion of piss

Weldone!
I followed your NONSENSE chain of thoughts until, when i got something to do.

Continue to impress yourself with your RUBBISH.

Myer:
Wow. This is deep. Thanks for sharing the references too.

What then is your take? Do Muslims and Christians worship the same God though in different ways?

Well, yes.
But Islam believes that the Christians have corrupted their worship through ascribing Jesus as the begotten son of God, while some say he is the Supreme Being (Allah SWT).
The Christians worship God through Jesus, while others worship Jesus as Allah SWT, which Islam considers as Shriek (associating partner with Allah). There should be no intermediary or association in the worship of Allah.

[5:72] Al-Māidah-الْمَآئِدَة
"لَقَدۡ کَفَرَ الَّذِیۡنَ قَالُوۡۤا اِنَّ اللّٰہَ ہُوَ الۡمَسِیۡحُ ابۡنُ مَرۡیَمَ ؕ وَ قَالَ الۡمَسِیۡحُ یٰبَنِیۡۤ اِسۡرَآءِیۡلَ اعۡبُدُوا اللّٰہَ رَبِّیۡ وَ رَبَّکُمۡ ؕ اِنَّہٗ مَنۡ یُّشۡرِکۡ بِاللّٰہِ فَقَدۡ حَرَّمَ اللّٰہُ عَلَیۡہِ الۡجَنَّۃَ وَ مَاۡوٰىہُ النَّارُ ؕ وَ مَا لِلظّٰلِمِیۡنَ مِنۡ اَنۡصَارٍ ﴿۷۲﴾

In fact, they have become disbelievers who say: ‘Allah is the Messiah, the son of Maryam (Mary),’ whereas the Messiah (himself) said: ‘O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, Who is my (as well as) your Lord.’ Indeed, Allah has forbidden Paradise to him who associates partners with Him. And Hell is his abode and the wrongdoers will not find any helpers.

As Muslims, we believe Islam is the religion chosen by the Supreme Being, Allah SWT for Mankind and the jinns.

Islam is the religion of all the Prophets and Messengers of Allah sent to tribes, nations, and peoples from the time of the creation of the first man, Adam AS.

But at some points in time, the true message from Allah usually get lost and in some cases corrupted by men. Therefore, the need to send another Prophet or Messenger as Allah wills.
Allah said this about the father of Faith in Qur'an 3:65 - 67,
[3:65] Āl ‘Imrān-آل عِمْرَان
"یٰۤاَہۡلَ الۡکِتٰبِ لِمَ تُحَآجُّوۡنَ فِیۡۤ اِبۡرٰہِیۡمَ وَ مَاۤ اُنۡزِلَتِ التَّوۡرٰىۃُ وَ الۡاِنۡجِیۡلُ اِلَّا مِنۡۢ بَعۡدِہٖ ؕ اَفَلَا تَعۡقِلُوۡنَ ﴿۶۵﴾

O People of the Book! Why do you dispute about Ibrahim ([Abraham] i.e., why do you regard him as a Jew or a Christian])? The truth is that the Torah and the Injil ([the Gospel] on which both your religions are based) were sent down after his time. Have you not even (this much) sense?
[3:66] Āl ‘Imrān-آل عِمْرَان
"ہٰۤاَنۡتُمۡ ہٰۤؤُلَآءِ حَاجَجۡتُمۡ فِیۡمَا لَکُمۡ بِہٖ عِلۡمٌ فَلِمَ تُحَآجُّوۡنَ فِیۡمَا لَیۡسَ لَکُمۡ بِہٖ عِلۡمٌ ؕ وَ اللّٰہُ یَعۡلَمُ وَ اَنۡتُمۡ لَا تَعۡلَمُوۡنَ ﴿۶۶﴾

Listen! You are the people who have also been disputing about matters of which you had (but some) knowledge. But why do you dispute about things of which you have no knowledge (at all)? And Allah knows but you do not know.

[3:67] Āl ‘Imrān-آل عِمْرَان
"مَا کَانَ اِبۡرٰہِیۡمُ یَہُوۡدِیًّا وَّ لَا نَصۡرَانِیًّا وَّ لٰکِنۡ کَانَ حَنِیۡفًا مُّسۡلِمًا ؕ وَ مَا کَانَ مِنَ الۡمُشۡرِکِیۡنَ ﴿۶۷﴾

Ibrahim (Abraham) was neither a Jew nor a Christian; he was a (true) Muslim, far detached from all heresy and falsehood. Nor was he one of the polytheist.

Also,
[2:135] Al-Baqarah-الْبَقَرَة
"وَ قَالُوۡا کُوۡنُوۡا ہُوۡدًا اَوۡ نَصٰرٰی تَہۡتَدُوۡا ؕ قُلۡ بَلۡ مِلَّۃَ اِبۡرٰہٖمَ حَنِیۡفًا ؕ وَ مَا کَانَ مِنَ الۡمُشۡرِکِیۡنَ ﴿۱۳۵﴾

And (the People of the Book) say: ‘Become Jews or Christians, then you will be guided aright.’ Say: ‘(Nay,) the truth is that we have embraced the religion of Ibrahim (Abraham) who, far from every falsehood, turned absolutely to Allah alone. And he was not of the polytheists.’

[2:136] Al-Baqarah-الْبَقَرَة
"قُوۡلُوۡۤا اٰمَنَّا بِاللّٰہِ وَ مَاۤ اُنۡزِلَ اِلَیۡنَا وَ مَاۤ اُنۡزِلَ اِلٰۤی اِبۡرٰہٖمَ وَ اِسۡمٰعِیۡلَ وَ اِسۡحٰقَ وَ یَعۡقُوۡبَ وَ الۡاَسۡبَاطِ وَ مَاۤ اُوۡتِیَ مُوۡسٰی وَ عِیۡسٰی وَ مَاۤ اُوۡتِیَ النَّبِیُّوۡنَ مِنۡ رَّبِّہِمۡ ۚ لَا نُفَرِّقُ بَیۡنَ اَحَدٍ مِّنۡہُمۡ ۫ۖ وَ نَحۡنُ لَہٗ مُسۡلِمُوۡنَ ﴿۱۳۶﴾

(O Muslims!) Say: ‘We believe in Allah and in that (Book) which has been revealed to us and (also) that which was revealed to Ibrahim (Abraham) and Isma‘il (Ishmael) and Ishaq (Isaac) and Ya‘qub (Jacob) and their children and those (Books) too which were given to Musa (Moses) and ‘Isa (Jesus) and (likewise) which were given to other Prophets by their Lord. We do not make distinction between any of them (in the matter of faith), and we have submitted ourselves to Him alone (the Only, the One God).’

Islam recognises all Prophets and Messengers mentioned in the Bible and the Torah and some that were not mentioned or known by us. Especially, there are 25 were prominently mentioned in the Qur'an and Sunnah.

Islam believe in Isa AS, which i think the Christians call Jesus. But Islam condemns the assertion that he is the begotten Son of God (Allah)

[3:59] Āl ‘Imrān-آل عِمْرَان
"اِنَّ مَثَلَ عِیۡسٰی عِنۡدَ اللّٰہِ کَمَثَلِ اٰدَمَ ؕ خَلَقَہٗ مِنۡ تُرَابٍ ثُمَّ قَالَ لَہٗ کُنۡ فَیَکُوۡنُ ﴿۵۹﴾

Surely, the example of ‘Isa (Jesus) in the sight of Allah is the same as that of Adam whom He formed from clay, then said (to him): ‘Be.’ And he became.

[43:59] Al-Zukhruf-الزُّخْرُف
"اِنۡ ہُوَ اِلَّا عَبۡدٌ اَنۡعَمۡنَا عَلَیۡہِ وَ جَعَلۡنٰہُ مَثَلًا لِّبَنِیۡۤ اِسۡرَآءِیۡلَ ﴿ؕ۵۹﴾

He (‘Isa [Jesus]) was only an (exalted) servant whom We blessed with favour. And We made him an example (of Our might) for the Children of Israel.

[19:35] Maryam-مَرْيَم
"مَا کَانَ لِلّٰہِ اَنۡ یَّتَّخِذَ مِنۡ وَّلَدٍ ۙ سُبۡحٰنَہٗ ؕ اِذَا قَضٰۤی اَمۡرًا فَاِنَّمَا یَقُوۡلُ لَہٗ کُنۡ فَیَکُوۡنُ ﴿ؕ۳۵﴾

It is not Allah’s Glory that He should take (to Himself anyone as) a son. Holy and Glorified is He (above this)! When He decrees any matter, He only says to it: ‘Be,’ and it becomes.

The major point of departure between Islam and Christianity is the Sonship of Isa to Allah SWT.
This is a blasphemous statement in the sight of Allah.
[19:88] Maryam-مَرْيَم
"وَ قَالُوا اتَّخَذَ الرَّحۡمٰنُ وَلَدًا ﴿ؕ۸۸﴾

And (the disbelievers) say: ‘The Most Kind (Lord) has taken (to Himself) a son.’
[19:89] Maryam-مَرْيَم
"لَقَدۡ جِئۡتُمۡ شَیۡئًا اِدًّا ﴿ۙ۸۹﴾

(O disbelievers!) You have indeed brought most horrible and unusual evil (on your tongues).
[19:90] Maryam-مَرْيَم
"تَکَادُ السَّمٰوٰتُ یَتَفَطَّرۡنَ مِنۡہُ وَ تَنۡشَقُّ الۡاَرۡضُ وَ تَخِرُّ الۡجِبَالُ ہَدًّا ﴿ۙ۹۰﴾

The heavens may just burst at this (fabricated lie) and the earth split asunder and the mountains fall down to pieces,
[19:91] Maryam-مَرْيَم
"اَنۡ دَعَوۡا لِلرَّحۡمٰنِ وَلَدًا ﴿ۚ۹۱﴾

That they have attributed a son to the Most Kind (Lord).
[19:92] Maryam-مَرْيَم
"وَ مَا یَنۡۢبَغِیۡ لِلرَّحۡمٰنِ اَنۡ یَّتَّخِذَ وَلَدًا ﴿ؕ۹۲﴾

And it is not befitting the Glory of the Most Kind (Lord) to take (someone as) a son.
[19:93] Maryam-مَرْيَم
"اِنۡ کُلُّ مَنۡ فِی السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ الۡاَرۡضِ اِلَّاۤ اٰتِی الرَّحۡمٰنِ عَبۡدًا ﴿ؕ۹۳﴾

Whoever is (dwelling) in the heavens and the earth (whether an angel, a jinn or a human being) will appear just as a servant before the Most Kind (Lord).

[19:93] Maryam-مَرْيَم
"اِنۡ کُلُّ مَنۡ فِی السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ الۡاَرۡضِ اِلَّاۤ اٰتِی الرَّحۡمٰنِ عَبۡدًا ﴿ؕ۹۳﴾

Whoever is (dwelling) in the heavens and the earth (whether an angel, a jinn or a human being) will appear just as a servant before the Most Kind (Lord).

egobetatoday:
I know several Muslims who fornicate, defraud, kill etc. my Muslim house help got pregnant and aborted. According to Muslims, she hasn't sinned because the fornication was done in secret, so also the abortion. Her hijab rubs the floor in case you want to know. In Christianity, We know God sees the heart, so what is the use of covering when the person (God) who will judge if you are a sinner or not saw your fornication carried out in secret? Unlike in Islam! In Christianity, There is no need covering your sin because God sees them all, Infact he sees your heart! . So, there is no difference, for us as Christians, between that Christian you have concluded has free ticket to do immoral things and the Muslim girl who covers up all her body and still do immoral things. Muslims like to be deceived that's why they pretend and do all the covering, Christians know you can't pretend for God. We only pray for such people in Christianity, we don't enforce that they dress well or pretend to be holy. The Bible says 'chose this day whom you will serve' so we have a choice to serve God or not unlike in Islam where there is no choice. God is the ultimate judge who rewards heaven or hell at the appropriate time.

my Muslim house help got pregnant and aborted. According to Muslims, she hasn't sinned because the fornication was done in secret, so also the abortion.



I pray lie no go kill you there.

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Forward CV means send your CV.

You can go a mile more by Attaching a cover letter. I don't think it may cause any harm.

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I also have a PGD in Education.
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classicfrank4u:
Believe this news at your own peril.
Arrewa my main man told me there are no prostitutes in the north..

Off course there aren't prostitutes in the north.

We need to be sure it's not one of your sisters that want to generate negative publicity to the north as always.

Good day All.

I am in need of a good paying job.

I presently work with a Secondary school in Kaduna where I teach English language at all levels.

I can also function as Admin. Officer any where.

I am Presently in Kaduna but, Abuja and environs,Kano, Katsina, Sokoto,Jigawa will be convenient.
I am also willing to relocate if the pay is right to any other place within and outside Nigeria.
Some one with an opportunity should kindly consider me.
My contact is 08020531084 calls or Whatsapp.
Waiting for favourable responses from members.
Thank you.

Good day all.


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I am also willing to relocate if the pay is right to any other place within and outside Nigeria.

Some one with an opportunity should kindly consider me.

My contact is 08020531084 calls or Whatsapp.

Waiting for favourable responses from members.

Thank you.

SilverNorGold:
The Nigerian government, headed by President Muhammadu Buhari, is TOO SOFT!... In saner climes, Sowore and his fellow coup plotters would have been sentenced to life imprisonment! But this is Nigeria.. A country where unrepentant coupists and opportunists are treated as human rights activists..

It's well.. Nigeria go better...

I can't agree less.
Presently we have an unrepentant coupist as President.
May be Sowore could find himself on that seat one day.

advocatejare:
I didn't lie to be here, that your funny condition is just like you trying to install a software and you're supposed to agree with the lengthy condition attached.

In my religion you confess your belief with your mouth and not by clicking nonsense.

Your fellow Muslims freely comment on Christian topics without any restrictions but want to restrict other people from your own post.

It can't work, you can't convert anyone to Islam by forcing them to click some funny things on nairaland.

BTW, I like the fact that you couldn't refute the evidence I gave you

All I see here are reasons to lie by you.
They are still lies oga!

Christian topics in the "religion section"
There are Islamic topics too on that section with no restrictions.

Just check your lies!

advocatejare:
Lies are permissible in Islam whether white or black lies.

For example when Muhammad was insulted and he was hurt, Muhammad had to hired an assassin from among his followers to go and kill the man that hurt him, he encouraged the assassin to lie in order to get closer to the man Muhammad was angry with:

The Prophet said, "Who is ready to kill Ka'b ibn al-Ashraf who has really hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Muhammad bin Maslama said, "O Allah's Apostle! Do you like me to kill him?" He replied in the affirmative. So, Muhammad bin Maslama went to him (i.e. Ka'b) and said, "This person (i.e. the Prophet) has put us to task and asked us for charity." Ka'b replied, "By Allah, you will get tired of him." Muhammad said to him, "We have followed him, so we dislike to leave him till we see the end of his affair." Muhammad bin Maslama went on talking to him in this way till he got the chance to kill him. Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah
— Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:52:270



Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it." Then Muhammad bin Maslama went to Kab and said, "That man (i.e. Muhammad demands Sadaqa (i.e. Zakat) from us, and he has troubled us, and I have come to borrow something from you." On that, Kab said, "By Allah, you will get tired of him!......


.....When Muhammad got a strong hold of him, he said (to his companions), "Get at him!" So they killed him and went to the Prophet and informed him. (Abu Rafi) was killed after Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf."
-Sahih Bukhari 5:59:369

Narrated By Al-Bara bin Azib
Allah's Apostle sent a group of persons to Abu Rafi. Abdullah bin Atik entered his house at night, while he was sleeping, and killed him.
-Sahih al-Bukhari 5:59:370

Also,

Allah says a muslim can swear a false oath to people as their oaths don't hold water, if a Muslim swear to you and you believe it, you'll have yourself to be blamed because Allah has said that a Muslim can break his oath with you by doing any of this:



1. feed ten needy people or

2. clothe them or

3. free a slave or

if you cant afford any of the above, simply

4. fast for 3 days (the same Islamic fasting of eating early in the morning)



So if a Muslim tells you that "please lend me 1million naira I swear by Allah that I will pay back by month end" and you believe him, you've been defrauded because Allah had taught him how to break his oath by doing any of the 4 above



"Allah will not impose blame upon you for what is meaningless in your oaths, but He will impose blame upon you for [breaking] what you intended of oaths.
So its expiation is the feeding of ten needy people from the average of that which you feed your [own] families or clothing them or the freeing of a slave. But whoever cannot find [or afford it] - then a fast of three days [is required]. That is the expiation for oaths when you have sworn. But guard your oaths. Thus does Allah make clear to you His verses that you may be grateful."
(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 89)

But you are also a beneficiary of lies, too!

You lie to be here and comment about Islam and Muslims.

Who do you please with the lie and what reward do you expect from the lie?

motayoayinde:
The Prophet (saw) married his first wife Khadija bint Khuwaylid at 25 while she was 40.
It was a blissful Marriage blessed with six kids.
At 40, when he was called to Prophethood, Khadija was 55.
When Khadija died at 65, the Prophet was 50.
They'd been married for 25 years.

The death of Khadija was particularly difficult for the Prophet. He'd lost not just a wife but also a comforter and a staunch supporter. Worse still, it happened in the year that the Makkah society ostracized the Muslims when torture and killing didn't stop the message.

MARRIAGES AFTER KHADIJA'S DEATH
2. In that year, he married an elderly widow, Sawdah bint Zam'ah.

3. Later in that year, his closest friend Abu bakr proposed that he married his daughter, Aisha.
He married her at six and consummated the marriage when she was nine.
This marriage has raised so much dust in recent times. We'll look at it further.

4. Hafsah bint Umar, the daughter of another close companion, Umar bn Khattab was married at the instance of Umar. She was married as a widow.

5. Zaynab bint Khuzaymah was his fifth wife, married as a widow.

6. Umm Salamah bint Abu Umayya was his sixth wife, married as a widow.

7. Juwairiyyah bint Harith, was his 7th wife.

8.Zaynab bint Jahsh was married after her divorce with Zayd bn Harith

9. Umm Habeebah bint Abu Sufyan was also a widow when the Prophet married her.

10. Maymoonah bint Al Harith, also married as a widow.

11. Safiyyah bint Uyayy was a Jew, captured in the battle of Khaybar, set free and agreed to marry the Prophet.

12. Maariyatu bint Sham'un Al Qibtiyya was sent to the Prophet as a gift by the Christian king of Alexandria, Maqawqis. She was married to the Prophet and bore him a son, Ibrahim. She was the only other woman who had a child for the Prophet apart from Khadija.

13. Rayhaanah bint Amr was the only woman whose marital status is debated among scholars. While some say she was married to the Prophet, others say she was a concubine.

TAKING ON THE ISSUES.
Let's examine some the issues thrown up all the time by Non Muslims and address the misunderstandings (and at times, mischief)

HIS "HAREM" OF WOMEN
It's clear from the foregoing that the Prophet had 13 wives and this is what is authentic according to the Prophet's history and renowned Islamic scholars. His wives were not 23 or 32 or any other number conjured up in the minds of islamophobes who pretend to know more Muslim history than the Muslims.
If the Prophet had more wives, the Muslims will be first to state it.

Polygamy as well as other marital practices like Marriage to minors and concubinage had been entrenched in the Middle East long before the Prophet was born.

Let's look at a few key figures among the Semites whose marital records are still available.

Prophet Ibrahim/Abraham, patriarch of the Semitic tribes, was married to three women: Sarah, Hagar and Keturah. He also had several concubines. Gen 11:29, 16:3, 25:1 1st chronicles 1:32

Prophet Jacob: 2 wives, Leah, Rachel and 2 concubines, Bilhah and Zilpah.

Prophet David through whom Jesus came, had wives and concubines. When, according the to bible, he killed Uriel, took his wife and impregnated her, God rebuked him and said if he had asked for more women, he'd have been given.

Prophet Solomon; 700 wives and 300 concubines.

Prophet Muhammad, 13 wives.

The comparison with the Prophet (saw)
is necessary so that Christians and Jews who praise these Jewish Prophets to high heavens, answer the name "Solomon", christen their sons "David" but lampoon Muhammad (saw), can be face to face with their double standards.

HIS MARRIAGE TO AISHA
The Prophet's Marriage to Aisha has been mentioned earlier. However, the uproar over her age at the time of the marriage deserves clarification.

This uproar is fairly recent. Before the dominance of modern western culture, Marriage to minors was common in many cultures around the world and in the Middle East in particular.

In the Jewish culture, little girls as little as 3 years old could be married off by the father according to the Halakha, a set of Jewish laws. The legal age of marriage for girls in Jewish law generally however, is 12 years and 1 day.

The ancient Arab society was also not different. It was in this culture that the Prophet was born. If the Prophet's marriage to Aisha was as revulsive in the Prophet's time as it seems to many today, he would have been maligned to death over it by his sworn enemies among the Jews and idolators of Madinah.
But no such account is found in history.
It was simply the practice.

HIS MARRIAGE TO ZAYNAB BINT JAHSH
Zayd bn Haritha was Khadija's slave, set free by the Prophet. HE WAS NOT HIS BIOLOGICAL SON.

Zaynab was his cousin.

He wedded them together so as to remove the stigma over Zayd as an ex slave and to show that an ex slave could be married to a free born.

The stigma didn't go away. Zaynab was unhappy that she was being referred to as the wife of an ex slave.

The marriage suffered, Zayd divorced Zaynab in the end.

All parties felt bad, the Prophet in particular.

He thought of marrying Zaynab but was wary of the comments of detractors.Then, verses were revealed which addressed the matter.

Verses 5 and 50 of chapter 33 clarify that although the Prophet was close to Zayd, he was not his father and as such could marry his divorced wife and not run foul of Allah's law which prohibits father and son from ever marrying same woman.

CONCLUSION
Prophet Muhammad (saw) was a 7th century, Middle Eastern, Arab Prophet. His marriages were according to the customs of his people and time. Some prominent Jewish figures who were Prophets like him, married according to similar customs.
Singling him out of his generation and predecessors in the 21st century, for condemnation over a common practice of his time is to say the least, hypocritical.

Worth the read.
Thank you!

Xmuslim:
I agree. Muhammad is not a role model of all time. He was the man of his time.

So please tell your Muslim brothers to desist from following everything that Muhammad did. What was right morally in his time may be wrong now.

[48:28]
"He is the One Who sent His Messenger (blessings and peace be upon him) with guidance and the Din (Religion) of truth to make it prevail over all other religions. And Allah is Sufficient as a witness (to the truthfulness and veracity of the Messenger [blessings and peace be upon him])."

[48:29]
"Muhammad (blessings and peace be upon him) is the Messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard and tough against the disbelievers but kind-hearted and merciful amongst themselves. You see them excessively bowing and prostrating themselves. They simply seek Allah’s grace and pleasure. Their mark is an impression of prostrations on their faces (prominent on the foreheads as light). These traits of theirs are (mentioned) in the Torah and the (same) qualities are also (described) in the Injil (the Gospel). These (Companions) are like a cultivated crop (of Our Esteemed Beloved) which (first of all) brought forth its thin shoot, then made it powerful and strong, and then it thickened and stood straight on its stalk. (And when it flourished, bloomed and danced,) it delighted and charmed the cultivators. (Allah has, likewise, made the Companions of His Beloved strong, grown up trees of faith,) so that by means of them He would inflame the hearts of the disbelievers (that burn in the jealousy of the Holy Prophet Muhammad [blessings and peace be upon him]). Those who believe and do pious works, Allah has promised them forgiveness and an immense reward."


Oga, you are asking for the impossible and you know it...
You and your gang are only giving me more reasons to LOVE the PROPHET of Islam(SAW). May ALLAH(SWT) Reward you according.

MUHAMMAD(SAW) remains the GREATEST of ALL...
Unbelievers can say, believe, interpret and con jour whatever please their Misguidance.