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WHEN WILL THIS WAR END...??/

Motorize Bore hole diggers in the house... see jobs ooooo... give use price per meter of feets..

Geotech survey is very important too...

in Abuja... there are some Indian bore hole guys... they just ask you where you want the bore hole in your compound..
there price is fixed with casement... it ranges between 6k to 7k per meter.. they don't want to know if rock is inside or not.. they just dig...

Hoping to meet such guys in the south west

rotecch77:
Just a reminder to you all
Watch out for this our project

Duration 24weeks

A thread will be open soon for the project
All details will be posted there
Thanks
Bore hole done today ... depth 150ft
Cost 200k

PLEASE DROP THE NUMBER OF THE BOREHOLE DIGGER HERE... I NEED ONE DONE ALONG OGIJO, SHAGAMU

somehow:
Simple logical questions though.

How can someone defraud you and still be reachable, available, tracabale, did not disappear. Post his pictures and address, numbers everywhere online..

Is the person a spirit that you can't arrest or sue to court?

Are you saying the person is so powerful that you can't deal with personally and you're a Nigerian?

Is the person so powerful that all the people he is said to have defrauded can't come together to persecute him legally?

Do you not have a strong case against him that can make him pay heavily?

Lets reason logically or am I the illogical person here?

Just thinking aloud.

I am also thinking along your line o....

if I have evidences against someone... best thing to do is to arrest him first and charge him to court..

once he is convicted... there won't be need for all these post...

Eyes will clear... and he himself won't try to come back to the platform..

N3xt... PLEASE IGNORE ALL THERE IRRELEVANT ACCUSATION...
Stay focus...

Until you are proven guilty...

I stand with you in this .. Even though we had our own argument earlier ( Use of Hammerglass)...

I accept proffessional argument but not blackmail...

MY HONEST VIEW ON THE ISSUE OF @N3XT OR BRABUS

HONESTLY, INTERNET NEVER FORGET.. AND THE BAD DEED OF SOMEONE ONLINE ALWAYS CHASE AFTER HIM EVEN THOUGH HE IS A CHANGED MAN NOW.. THE TRUTH IS... WE ALL HAVE SINNED IN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER PASS WHEN STRIVING TO BE SOMEBODY IN LIFE. LACK OF MONEY MUST HAVE OVERSHADOW IS RIGHTFUL STATE OF MIND THEN..

WAYFORWARD

@MMOTINE, PLEASE FORGIVE BRABUS IF YOU ARE THE LAST PERSON HE NEEDS TO APPOLOGISE TO.. THE OLDER GUYS HAVE MOVED ON.. MEANING THEY HAVE FORGIVEN HIM.. THAT IS WHY MOST OF THEM ARE QUIET ON THIS MATTER......PLEASE DO SAME...

@N3XT.. I BELIVE YOU KNOW YOUR PAST ISNT RIGHT... BUT THE PRESENT AND FUTURE IS WHAT MATTERS FOR NOW... DO THE NEEDFUL IF YOU HAVENT DONE ANY BEFORE... APLOGISE FOR YOUR WRONGS... AND LET IT BE CLEAR THAT YOU WONT RESPOND TO SUCH ISSUE AGAIN...

GENERALLY SPEAKING, EVERYONE ON THIS FORUM HERE IS FACELESS, THE INTENTION OF EVERYONE MAY NOT BE KNOWN BUT THERE ARE MANY BABA LATIS HERE THAT ARE NOT HAAPY FOR YOUR SUCCESS STORIES YOU ALWAYS POSTING AND BOOSTING ABOUT ..... IF TRUTH OR LIES.. IS LET TO US TO JUDGE.. BUT I BELIVE THE ELDERS KNOWS WHAT I AM SAYING..

I LEAVE YOU WITH THIS YORUBA ADAGES...

GBOGBO ASO KO LAN SA LORUN... (NOT ALL CLOTHS ARE HANG OUTSIDE FOR THE SUN TO DRY)

@NEXT.. BE WISE.....

still on...

we are still very much in business.. over 200 commendations on this trend

President99:
Hi house!
I need a structural engineer who can manually design an overhead steel water. It's a very urgent project. Send me a pm asap!

Contact by watsapp... 0703272894one...

Erums:
Sorri it's a twin 2bedroom bungalow.... Its the current price yu stated proven.. Considering current market price?

is almost within the same region... Don't forget is a + or - Average... 10million naira budget is within rage ..

Erums:
Pls howmuch will it cost to building a twin 3bedroom bungalow.... Current market price


Thanks in anticipation

Budget 10Million Naira to Average taste or
Budget above 10Millon Naira more based on your level of finishing.

n3xt:
@nero2424

Since you won’t dig, let me help you here. I pray you have time to go through though.

Here’s the chronology of event:

I shared a post on climate consultant. https://www.nairaland.com/2550211/general-topic-thread-to-discuss-anything/2053#99923263

A COREN certified structural consultant brought up issues of all glass building not good for Nigeria
https://www.nairaland.com/post/99924104

I gave an example of an all glass commercial building in Ibadan that’s almost 3 decades old
https://www.nairaland.com/2550211/general-topic-thread-to-discuss-anything/2053#99925346

The NSE certified guru established we need glass building in area that’s not prone to security breach.
https://www.nairaland.com/post/99949120

I shared info about hammerglass as a solution for those who want to explore.
https://www.nairaland.com/2550211/general-topic-thread-to-discuss-anything/2054#99949313

I shared info about other security glass designs.
https://www.nairaland.com/2550211/general-topic-thread-to-discuss-anything/2054#99950039

MNSE guru asked if glass shops where cement are sold can be built in Ikorodu round about....

I shared picture of an old shop that was converted into a modern shop with glass facade.

NERO2424 asked if I’ve visited the old shops to know if break in happened.

I told him the shops are on the road I drive daily

Now you’re looking for the address of the house in the ghetto that’s all glass....


And so on...!

@n3xt...
I just want you to know we the proffessionals will always tell you the truth.. We have different view doesn't mean we should force our recommendations on another...

The ethics of the proffession is very clear... respect your other proffessional's view, either genuine or ingenuine to you...

You don't need to keep explaining yourself over and over again... just be firm..

This industry is big enough for us all to fly without touching each other.

As a Federal civil servant supervising billion naira projects not even related to properties.. sharing here won't make sense..cos this is property section..

But as proffessionals, if we see statement here that isn't generally true and misleading, we make our observations known without need for anyone to agree on not.

@ N3xt, I am inviting you to Abuja soon on a housing project base on your Marketing skills...

I vast experience as baba Lati No 1 will be needed.. I like the fact that you are flexible and not rigid like other proffessionals.

Stay blessed... N3xt

n3xt:
Sigh!

The drawing in Pic 1 shared in my post meant nothing to you right? Or interpretation of drawings is also your issue ?

It’s well! I really can’t help you anymore on this. You’re indeed a very good listener. Comprehension is just a major problem even when there are pictures and diagram to aid you, you still miss it.

I’m sure it’s the floor-ceiling part that confused you.

Below is the picture of floor-to-ceiling glass installation for learning purpose.

You win! Congratulation to you sir.

@next.. Stop all these now.. you said I should show you where you mention.... I show you.. you want to twist again to picture .. why not stop all these... I Taya for you ... LOri IRo

n3xt:
That’s how you’re calling mantrap security doors used in banks hammerglass. I just decided to move on because it clearly show you have no idea what hammerglass is and what its made of and you chose not to research before coming online to prove what’s not.

@Next... WHY ARE YOU DISGRACING YOURSELF..

Mantrap Security Door is a typical Name for a type of door made up of many materials like CFRP (Carbon fibre reinforced Polymer as the frame and Hammerglass as the transparent solid).

Hammerglass , tappered glass, laminated tappered glass.. are types of glasses...
Bros.. check your B.P.

I am not one of those clients... Professional will always tell you the truth... I can educate you fully on ENGINEERING MATERIALS..

n3xt:
Show me where I said a glass shop will be built sir. Just share the screenshot.

I don’t know why you chose to pick on me for no reason.

Is this how professionals work? Or you have issues with comprehension sir?

@N3xt... I have no reason to pick on you bro... we are great friends both online and offline.. we even speak more on watsapp on company formation matters.. Don't forget I am the one that Register Kobocity with CAC... why I go pick on you... we just having discussion for people to decide which is better off..... Remember at the end.. People will still choose...

Secondly... see second paragraph above...see your claim where you said you never mention building glass shop... But you design a floor to ceiling glass shop.. . LORI IRO ....

He shock you* . many of us are good listeners..

Reason why I told you to be firm in your words ..
remember you can't sweet word me the same way you sweet word your clients..

Proffessional will always tell you the truth... Digital just did.. Many have done in our discussion.. you keep sweet wording them..

SolarConsultant:
Good morning Thread, it’s such an amazing time getting to learn a lot on this platform, this is to me more like a request to help in educating us about building roofs for the future of energy

Having been in the trenches of energy production from the sun, and by consistent study on the types of roof people use, I have actually observed they didn’t build with sun energy in mind, because of the slope, slants, geo-coordinates facing, and we should know well that the nearest future of energy generation for buildings is a sole or personal power generation, and the more we are critical about building to get the best energy from the sun the better and cheaper for every building or home, this is why most people spend a lot more than their friends, just because of no future mindedness of their roof as against generation of power from the sun.

I intended to help educate us on how to make the best out of roof styles and choices, before completing our buildings. This is really key, because generating power from the sun requires space, and most buildings don’t have ground space enough to cater for that, all they have is their roof, so why not take this as critical

Can I go ahead with this for the next few days, with detailed information and instructions before roofing buildings to make the best efficient use of it

GO AHEAD BRO... SOLAR ENERGY IS AN INTEREST FOR ALL.. EDUCATE US...

n3xt:
The shops were built on the road I drive daily.

How many of those civil unrest have we had in Nigeria in the past one decade?

I’ve not at any point here proposed an all glass shop. Having a large window on shops is almost the same as having a curtain wall in a duplex. You need to do all you can to protect yourself.

Until recently, we’ve all believed we need prison walls to secure us in Nigeria but today most people are doing dwarf and see-through fences.

In Nigeria, we know and understand that there’s always a problem for every solution.

What happened to having the glass properly secured with a roller shutter?
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Pic 1 - Glass Window at NextHome H52, 2014
Pic 2 - Glass Display Wall at Ikota Shopping Plaza, Lagos. There are several shops in this plaza but no heavily reinforced iron gates.
Pic 3 - Inside NextHome H52. Using glass to create volume
Pic 4 - NextHome20 Modern Studio - Design Inspiration. I don buy glass and I no fit return am

@N3XT...
I EXPECT YOU TO BE FIRM IN YOUR WORDS...

You initially recommended shops to be build with only glass without burglary... now you changing when definite examples are given here...

Now you have entered glass display again reinforce with iron gate... why is it reinforced with iron gate...

Advance baba lati... be firm in your words...

HOW WILL YOU ENCOURAGE A NIGERIAN BUILD THIS KIND OF BUILDING IN IKORODU... AND YOU WANT HIM TO SLEEP WITH HIS TWO EYES CLOSED.. HABA BRO NEXT...

hamtabfawaz:
@micgray100 while I agree with most of your points! Let's clear this




If I were to build a glass shop in Ikorodu! I definitely wouldn't use a breakable glass that can be vandalized!





@micgray100
Forget being a professional Marketer
You can't be a Professional & you don't know to engage your clients, like you said “your relationship with clients is worst” isn't that awkward?

Well on the other hand «Jobs can actually find you, if your previous job is exceptional & very neat» ! But Most Times hunting for job is the way! (Through Ads, connection & other necessary means)


Finally love that your quote about @n3xt “More than a trained Marketer' he knows how to have positive discussions with his clients!” Perhaps the reason his clients will chose him over & over again! In this Modern Age 'Effective communication & Positive Engagements is Imperative!


Well, what do I know! After all Am Just a LEARNER.


SALAM

@ hamtabfawaz

The price of hammerglass won't allow a retail cement seller even think of building such in IKORODU road about.. the price of the hammerglass that will surround the shop is more than the cement stored inside..

Note.. Hammerglass are types of glass used at most entry of banks that rolls out..


The second issue of Proffessionals should also be a good marketer... You know better bro... Proffessionals won't compromise with client to loose their proffessional licence.. proffessional will always tell client the number of stories a foundation can carry.. But the trained marketer would even add more stories to such structure to maximise profit.. just an example..

The general truth is that... Real professionals decline to do small projects like Residential houses because of competition with them baba Latis... they involve themselves with big projects where them baba Latis won't even think to go near...

In conclusion.. I am a trained Proffessional with my B.Eng and Msc in civil engineering and structural engineering respectively.. I am NSE and Coren Certified. I am a Federal Civil Servant in one of the KEY ministries in Nigeria.. I do side hustle too online.. like company formation, general goods movement North-South axis... With the above Vast experience as a proffessional,
My ascertion is that.. Minimalistic building Design Should not be encourage in Nigeria for now as a developing nation..

@ Next... I appreciate your understanding... you are a contractor... I will prefer you maintain running your market in the building industries.. if minimal design is giving to you to construct.. it is your luck...

somehow:
What about a glass rendition protected by a burglary inside?

Is allowed... The burglary keep it secure from petty Intruders... Most shops outlet in shoprite Alausa that did internal burglary didn't get bugled during the Endsars protest... Many shops I know withing Awolowo way at ikeja that did buglary after glass got protected to a certain extent..

We leave in an insecure country... Households should be well reinforced to keep Intruders away.. All this minimalistic design are good for developed world.. But not Naija...
I can't imagine myself sleeping in my bedroom and have tappered glass surround me and I will sleep well... ko Jo o...

Roof facial I believe the one made of concrete is more expensive than normal wooden facial...

AloneTK:
Please, which cost more between the roof facial and the common wooden facing board?
Kindly revert.

AloneTK:
Please, which cost more between the roof facial and the common wooden facing board?
Kindly revert.

EgunMogaji2:
Haba, he wrote this nau

“I’d do it in critical areas though cos of the high price tag.”

We discussed this many moons ago on this thread.

Egun..
i saw what he wrote, which i said i am happy about.. he brought out the issue of hammerglass.. which he mention is used in CRITICAL AREAS... AND NOT REDENRING.... Because of high cost..

My problem with Oga next... is ... why specify such for rendering in Nigeria ... when even western word used normal tappered glasses..

I REST MY CASE ON THIS ISSUE....
OGA NEXT.... let us continue our class on new contemporary designs.. we learning .... you know i am your number 1 serious student that love to ask questions... i bring in the old Structural Engineers Perspectives to class.... we learn everyday..

the funny thing here is that ... i know some of my lecturers in school during my MSC structures days prefer to do things in the old ways... they want you to know the basics...like use your hands to draw out structural drawings that will take days when computer softwares can produce same in seconds..
Adaptation is key... but let us adopt the ones suitable for us as Nigerians taking all that is happening to us currently..

n3xt:
There’s hammerglass by De-Twilson. You don’t need metal burglary when you have it installed in your building. I’d do it in critical areas though cos of the high price tag.

There are so many other effective solutions from 3M, Clearguard from Trellidors and the likes.

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I can show you where shots were fired into the Broking House Ibadan in the 90s by the daredevil robbers (the glass didn’t break). These are not the regular aluminum village 10mm toughened glass o

That’s where we grew up and we understand there are many solutions (sustainable materials) out there for those who wish to explore.

Experience has shaped us.

This type of discussion aren’t new to the regulars here as we’ve discussed it in details and even worked across border with companies providing those solutions.

Thank God you just specified hammer glass.. i am happy you agreed how costly hammerglass is.

to the lay man, hammerglass are those glasses you see at entrances of banks that is hard to penetrate by robbers ...

OGA NEXT.... so you expect a full house to be covered with hammerglass when even as rich as banks are, designate it only at entry point...

this issue was well explained by HAJJ M and OGA SPIDDER880.... Some specified proposed hammer glass to be used on the windows which ended up not used because of cost on just windows...

now you want hammer glass to be used as rendering...

bros... safety and cost are very important in architectural/Engineering design... the truth is there to see..

The pic below glass are normal glasses not hammerglass

somehow:
Is it that building a storey building with glass in Nigeria is bad due to insecurity or that building with glass without enough security to protect the glass part is bad?

..

Both statement above means the same thing to me...

If you building a storey building with glass rendering, it should be done in area with enough security like an estate where hoodlums don't exist... because only glass rendering is just like easy access for Intruders...

this explains why we introduce metal burglary proofs in our glass windows in typical houses..

diordaves:
Engr Gbenga, abeg no write in caps again. Abi kilode?

Adjusted.. Didn't know you are anti-Capitalism... lol... smiles .

n3xt:
Designing sustainable building is not just about the structural design but everything else including the materials used for the building.

If you find yourself relying on artificial lighting, then you’ll have a higher energy cost.

We actually discussed what you said here “Structural Engineers already for see wind load in their design according to the wind speed in the area..” in the class. Many architects and designers feels the backend stuffs are process that the client do not need to know about and we were encouraged to use datas to show our clients why certain decisions are made in our designs.

Security is no issue bro. There are thousands of smart solutions out there to explore.
I love this quote from the class “Buildings are the problem but they are also the solution.”
Naija is not an exception, let’s stop making naija look like it’s another planet my honorable Oga.
If you don’t know it, Broking House is in Ibadan for almost 4 decades and nothing has happened to it. It’s an ALL glass building.

The world is constantly evolving and interestingly we are going to keep building, if we are going to keep building with the same strategies and materials, how do we know ensure we are designing buildings that’ll respond to ever changing climatic conditions.

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I have atrium designed in my current build not because I just wanted to have fun but improve indoor health - least emission, indoor plants etc

Naija building industry is filled with people who just want to take in (stone-coated roof, pop ceiling, spanish tiles, concrete flooring, upvc windows etc) and not to give back. Yet we wonder why we die.

Read up Volatile Organic Compounds and hiwnto conduct VOC testing.



My 1 cent ... Brabus (Baba Lati 1)

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Pic - Broking House, Ibadan (almost 4 decades old)

OGA N3XT.... YOU MAKE MY LAUGH IN SPANISH ....

PROFESSIONALLY I WOULD HAVE FINE YOU PROFFESIONALLY FOR YOUR STATEMENT ABOVE THAT "BROKING HOUSE IBADAN IS MADE OF GLASS"
* READ UP.. TYPES OF RENDERING OF TALL BUILDINGS.
THE TWO POINT I RAISED WAS
1, STRUCTURAL INTERGRITY OF A BUILDING SUBJECTED TO WIND LOAD WHICH HAE BEEN TAKING CARE OF ALREADY BY THE ENGINEER DESIGNING... SO BRING IN WEATHER CONSULTANT EXPERT YOU INTRODUCING IN YOUR WORKSHOP YOU ATTENDING IF OF NO USE IN BUILDING CONSTRUCTION.

2, DUE TO SECURITY CHANLLEGES IN THE COUNTRY, I SAID USING OF BREAKABLE GLASS FOR BUILDING LIKE A STOREY BUILDING IS NOT ADVISABLE.. BECAUSE IT WILL BE EASY ACCESS FOR INTRUDERS IN NIGERIA.. DO ME ONE FAVOR, BUILD A GLASS SHOP IN IKORODU ROUND ABOUT FILLED WITH CEMENT.. I BET YOU.,, 24 HOURS IS TOO MUCH FOR IT TO BE VANDALISED BY HOODLUMS THAT NIGERIA GOVT HAVE NO DATA BASE FOR.


NIGERIA IS A DEVELOPING NATION... ONE EXAMPLE IS.......THERE ARE SOME OLD BUILDINGS WITH WOODEN SLABS.. WHY HAVE WE ADANCED TO RCC SLABS... THESE ARE THE KIND OF QUESTION I EXPECT FROM YOU..

THAT A BUILDING HAS A GLASS RENDERING DOESNT SAY THE BUILDING IS MADE OF GLASS. SEE THE PICS WELL.. YOU WILL NOTICE THAT THE GLASS RENDING DID NOT START FROM THE FIRST 3 FLOORS.. ASK WHY??

STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS WORK IN BUILDING IS THE MOST ESSENTIAL IN REINFORCE CONCRETE STRUCTURES LIKE TALL BUILDINGS.. THERE IS CALLED "CORE"OF TALL RCD STRUCTURES. WITH THE CORE OF THE ABOVE BUILDING NOT PROPERLY DESIGNED BY A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER... THE FINISHING WORK OF USING GLASS IS OF NO USE....

OGA NEXT... I RESPECT YOU AS A CONTRACTOR WHICH YOU CLAIM.... BUT LEAVE THE PROFFESSIONALISM FOR THE PROFESSIONALS..

WE ALL NOTICED SOMETHING ON THIS TREND... THE PROFFESSIONAL ARE NOT REALLY GETTING JOBS... YOU KNOW WHY... WE ARE NOT TRAINED MARKETTERS... AND ALSO CANT TAKE NON SENSE FROM CLIENTS.. OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH CLIENTS IS WORST... AND WE BELIEVE THE JOB WILL FIND US... WHICH IS AFFECTING MOST PROFFESSIONALS... NOT ALL

BUT YOU A CONTRACTOR ... YOU ARE MORE THAN A TRAINED MARKETER.. YOU HAVE POSITIVE DISCUSSIONS WITH CLIENTS... AND SEE FROM CLIENT'S PERSPECTIVE... WHICH AT THE END IS AN ADVANTAGE..

LET ME STOP HERE....

MY 2 CENT.. ENGR. GBENGA

bixton:
I'd really like to know who exactly you are and what is your profession and certification. If you can't respond to this then certainly you're also a quack

I am maybe a quack with a B.Tech, PGD, MSc and MBA degrees all in engineering/construction related fields.

In my early years in this thread one of your likes have put up such childish attitudes. Try not to make me play that game again.

If you're looking for people to toy with find someone else. I don't tolerate careless words.NL is not an authority over my kind of person.

You want to help me with a job.....please how much did you pay the last person you gave a job..............let me use that as a yardstick to see how well you could assist me!!!!!

Bros.. Please.. let us cool down our temper always when addressing issue..

Proffessionally is wrong.. in the rule book of NSE.. it is not allowed to use insulting words at your fellow professionals either in the presence of clients or in open forum like this..

There is nothing wrong in person calling for professional Certification.. is what we do normally on construction sites...

Apart from the baba latis.... we even professionals steal our jobs... for example, a n Engineer doing job of QS... or QS drawing architectural drawings..

Way forward... All we can pray for is God to keep us busy as professionals.. there are quacks everywhere in different fields... The country too is not helping.. the proffessional bodies that are suppose to enforce professionalism on site are just ready to collect annual dues from members...

But .. two wrongs to make a right..

We need to support each other... ( The Proffessional)


My 2 cents.. Engr. Gbenga ... MNSE, RCoren

n3xt:
Here’s a great tool for architects, builders, designers and integrators to help you design sustainable buildings.

Climate Consultant


You could buy stone-coated roofing tiles and still live in discomfort. The dysfunctional construction industry had little or no idea about materials and elements and their effect on buildings. A lot of people see materials and designs in a basic way.

Climate consultant is an app that helps you generate datas/decisions that can help you clients avoid discomfort.


May I ask “How did you arrive at your decision to use gypsum as your ceiling covering?” “Your friend had it in his house” “It’s luxury and match your taste ” or “The architect recommended it”

Have you heard about embodied carbon? How about operational carbon?

In today construction landscape, we have dysfunctional industry problem and bad materials problem. The latter is worse than the former.

We just do things irrationally “as the spirit led.”

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...back to my baba lati class

As a Structural Engineer, I doubt if all these contemporary designs are suitable for our weather conditions here... Structural Engineers already for see wind load in their design according to the wind speed in the area.. so the need for Climatic consultant already taking care of ..

I like being realistic... Are all the glass house really good for house owners in Nigeria with this level of insecurity... and lack of data base for all Nigeria..

Oga N3xt... The designs are good and mouth watering... But ..are they suitable for us in Nigeria.. consider Wind storm that happens in the north.. level of insecurity too..

My 2 cents Engr..Gbenga...NSE/Coren. ....

Ibk2020:
pls is concrete parapet same as cast insitu parapet?

Is same thing... Concrete parapet mean.. parapet done with concrete as material...

insitu parapet means parapet done with concrete material AND concrete material mixed on site and pour to the permanent place on site and allowed to dry evenly in it permanent place ....

precast parapet is opposite insitu parapet..


Engr.. Gbenga from Zaria Kaduna