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McPhemmy:
₦3, 200

23470484962fourfive


Send it to the above number and quote me with your account details

I need 3.5k card. How much you going to sell

InvertedHammer:
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He no wan spend money for wheel balancing and alignment.
A picture of the ball joint will tell all the stories

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please sir, I will want to talk to you privately. Do you mind checking your dm.

Good day

He can officiate your wedding if that's ok with you. Don't know about him being your best man

PAPAFEELERS:
God bless you real good for this, i am grateful!

erico2k2:
lovely, I needed this as well

glad I could help

freshvine:
America typical of celebrating mediocrity. Feet Benin people in Edo state travel and come back quietly steady.

no be only feet. Na leg join

PAPAFEELERS:
Michlins, Ne3xt et all

Please can you help out with the materials type especially the dimension/size of the H channel for use for a quality tank scafoold?

Ne3xt please contribute as well as other likeminds here with knowledge in this areas.

I am about to open a discussion with a welder and if i have a basic understanding of the materials and cost estimate it will enable me have a quality negotiation with the welder.

thanks all

here's what you will need

5 by 3 H channel

3 by 1½" H channel for the load beam


2" angle iron 4mm thick

5 by 3 clits

18 guage pan


For the foundation you need

4ft 1" bolt

Angle clits

12 by 12 by 10mm base plate

As for the price, I can't say anything about it cause it varies from place to place. I do hope you understand

InvertedHammer:
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I have been on NL for years (since 2012). I have searched my soul and mind on why I would want to run you down. I couldn't come up with one reason. I can't identify you in a line up and I believe it is the same for you.

Read through the conversation you posted below. You said the Aluminum fabricator said he doesn't want to modify the measurements. Along the line you mentioned that they modify to maximize profit. Those are your words. And you were asked what prompted the discussion about "modification" and "maximizing profit" especially considering that two of you have your measurements? Then you took offense. I

If you don't see the red flag there about modification and maximizing profit that prompted the word "collusion", so be it. I read through the same transcript and formed an opinion. Based on my experience here, I am not worried about dishonest people because they are quick to detect. I am worried about honest people who derail. I believe you know your craft and will not hesitate to give you a job strictly to fabricate if I have some.

Good luck.
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I see your bone of contention and thank you for bringing it to my attention. I will choose my words more carefully moving forward. But I intentions were very clear but I misspoke and misunderstood as well.

I will learn through this experience and thanks for being my teacher

InvertedHammer:
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No qualms. Is it not Nairaland?

He either sits up or someone in the near future will be referencing these posts. He is the one that put those labels on himself.

The twists and turns? Time will tell

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good morning bro. I want to you to read this with an open mind. Forget what you have heard prior and just try and reason with me here.

First I want to thank you for putting yourself on the line for me. Like I said sometime ago, it's not something most family members will do for us but here, strangers are helping out others grow financially and otherwise.

The job in question, I haven't submitted a quotation before I asked for the phone number of the alumaco guy. I told your friend the exact reason I wanted to speak with him. If I had sinister motives, I wouldn't have done that before getting the money. My experience has thought me better.

Seriously I don't know what you have heard and how the person that told you interpreted it for you but I just wish you will respond to me privately and I will show you everything including the VN of my discussion with your friend and the alumaco guy and you can judge me.

I did a job for a Nairalander Ty01 which I supplied last week. It's window burglaries. The measurements I was given was 4ft by 4ft and I went ahead to deduct 1" from it yet when he received it,it didn't fit at all. The engineer said "I should have known better". At the end of the day, the welder gets blamed because we're the least educated. From the pictures he sent me, I was supposed to deduct at least 4" from the windows but just imagine if I did that and the burglaries were too small. I will still be blamed for cheating the client. Now they will need to amend the burglaries to fit. However, there's no room for amendment in the job I was discussing with your friend.

In my line of work, there's no established rules to follow. Everyone works "as the spirit leads". So it's important that everyone works in unison to avoid errors.

Once again sir, I thank you for the opportunity.

Once you hear them putting out denials, forget it. The deed has been completed already

InvertedHammer:
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Your opinion. I don't think most people will notice or feel your absence in the thread. At least you admitted that you are not Seun.

Calling people in private is why many things get unchecked here until it is too late then folks start appearing from woodworks to narrate their stories.

I wish Michlin luck. He can learn and perfect his business practice or choose to remain in defense mode. As inter alia noted, the call out was for a questionable business practice.
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so because am a vendor here, I don't have the right to defend myself when my person and business is attacked?


I should just allow you to rubbish everything I have been working for these past months based on what you assume would happen?

Attached is the window in question, how do you expect me to correct any error should there be one due to two contractors supplying different sizes.

Once again I'm glad for the previous opportunity you gave me and am happy I did it as to your specification and standard

somehow:
My advice : Let that job go.

I'm fighting for my name not the job

dongc:
Return which money?? Man not even paid yet or mobilized....still under negotiations I believe...abeg make them free the guy....all these so unnecessary....I tire joor

that's why am so tired about the whole thing. I asked if I had plans to cheat him, would I not wait until I have the money. I haven't even submitted my quotation.

How on earth did I become a fraud. My first job with him,he didn't acknowledge that I did it well but was very fast to call me a fraud for a job I didn't submit a quotation for

Let's hope it's not another round of waste

See how Nigeria government will use this rare scene to ask Nigerians to endure suffering and lack of social amenities

Godisgreatest1:
I understand what you are pointing at. You mean that the combined total of the '1" or more' deductions in all window sizes will be significant in terms of the profit the young man will make. It is very possible but may at the same time not be his intention.

It is of no use for him to call the Alumaco person if he intends to be dubious. My Alumaco man doesn't even know my welder and i'm sure if they want to take advantage of anything they can do it independently.

Besides the welder for the most I can think of 'here' has been doing well, I don't know him personally, and it's not 'only' because of notable people that he has constructed good quality tank stands, doors,windows and so on, he has no dubious intention I can stake on that. Rather there are still some artisans that despite long epistles it just won't work.

sir this is what happens when you as a welder doesn't adjust measurements. Standard is about 4" on both sides of the windows. Length and width. How rich can such make a person?

InvertedHammer:
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I listened to 4 different recorded messages and conversations, you are not being honest in your submission here. That's by the way.

Who stands to gain? Both parties. That's why it is collusion when the two parties are on the same page which luckily didn't happen in this case.

We must understand that a lot of people are skeptical about doing business with our people based on prior experiences. So any deviation from the norm would raise a red flag. As I noted, there is no case of scam as I understand that no funds have exchanged hands. But the intent is clear.
I have advised him to stop all work. When he is available, he can go and supervise his work to avoid stories that touch.
My motto remains: Trust but Verify.

NB: In your wisdom, you are posting private Whatsapp conversations with the other party's name and picture in tow. If that's a subtle threat, it is not going to work. Why don't you post your picture (s) too?
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sir if you have anything against me, kindly tell me and I will apologize but calling me a fraud when I have zero intentions about that is pure wickedness sir. Four different recordings, kindly share them with me because there maybe things you were told about me which I knew nothing about.

I'm a vendor here and my name is important to me, don't ruin it for me I beg you in the name of God. I did a standing tank for you and there was no compromise on measurements and quality, what's window burglaries that I will scam you about. If I bring a burglary and it's smaller than the size, I believe you have an engineer who will tell you. First job I did, you had people who verified it for you. Can't same people verify others for you. Saying that am threatening you with content of my conversation with you and the parties involved, where does that come from. How can I hurt you that's not in Nigeria from my abode in Nnewi? I'm tired of all these things. I'm here to make my money in the most genuine way.

The work I did for omonjoe, I told him even before making payments that I will adjust the measurements he gave me because of plastering just like I intend to do with yours. He was the one who brought the measurements even. 4" out of initial measurements won't make me rich. It's for your benefits

lastpage:
I have been quietly following recent situations here.
On this Window issue.....

If a Window is quoted and priced based on 4ft X 4ft, l will expect the Alluminium Window to be exactly 4 X 4 and to install it, the Bricklayer simply chisels back some part of the Wall Opening, if at all, to allow the frame into the 4 X 4 Space provided on the Wall.
When it comes to Burglary, same process applies even moreso if the Burglary is to be installed outside of the Aluminium Casing.
To install it, the installer chisels the point of installation, the Burglary slips-in and it is cemented in. Most come with 'legs' for that purpose.

I have never bought a 7 x 4 or 6 X 3 door and it measures anything less than that, it is the Wall frame that gets dressed a little to allow that frame to slip in.

So, l dont understand where all these argument about "reducing the frame size" from what was quoted, comes in.

But in retrospect and in my own personal opinion, l will give @Michelins the benefit of the doubt in this matter.
WHY?
- the case against him, as it is right now, is not strong enough / weak, to call him out on financial impropriety or fraud.
It is like loosing a case on 'technical grounds', because you dont have solid evidence or your evidence cannot prove your case BEYOND DOUBT..

- @michelins has not shown such nefarious tendency, not even the slightest, in his short time on this thread/Nairaland.

I believe he took a LAZY DECISION (reducing burglary size, in all honesty), that will make fixing his Burglary work easier (in his own reasoning) and that decision may, UNINTENTIONALLY, also save him a some amount of money on materials to be used for the job ( no matter how small) but in all honesty, l dont think his intention was to defraud the Client by "under- producing to quoted size".

The Client has the Right to be furious that the Dimensions he paid for, are being reduced (for whatever reasons), without his knowledge and consent! The Contractor should at the very least, inform the Client well- ahead of such decision.

"Ceaser's wife must not only be Clean, she must be seen to be Clean".

But when in doubt, we should always give the accused person the benefit of the doubt.
l dont think the intention of @michelins was to do any hanky-panky to his Client.

I will plead with @InvertedHarmmer to ask his Client to overlook this "error" on the part of the Contractor.

I will also ask @michelins or any other contractor in here, to understand that once an agreement is reached with a Client, any variation, even if it is to the benefit of the Client, should be explained and discussed with the Client, get the nod of the Client, before implementation, so as to avoid this sort of unintended situation.
@michelins, please make-up with your Client privately and get his confidence back. Avoid being lured into blaming the Alumaco guy, it serves no purpose.

@All, please let us not escalate this matter by pouring more fuel into it.
God bless.


Lastpage!

at the bolded, client hasn't paid me and I haven't submitted any quotation except the one I submitted about a month ago which has been made null and void due to the increase in the price of materials.

Should I have a sinister motives,why should I inform him and still ask for the number of the alumaco guy from the said client? Why not wait until am paid before I do anything like that?


What he (alumaco told) the client is totally different from what invertedhammer is saying here. I haven't scammed anyone and I don't intend to do it.


Thanks everyone for their response and their explanations

InvertedHammer:
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If window is 6x5 and quoted as such. They could be adjusted to 6x4 or 5x4, installed and plastered since the owner is not around. Meanwhile in collusion, the welder presents a quote of 6x5 too and builds 6x4 or 5x4 as the case may be to match the casement window sizes. Multiply these by many windows.

From available information, he went to the site to get measurements for the job. What business does he have with the Alumaco guy and his measurements when 6x5 is 6x5? There is a reason the Alumaco refused to share his measurements because he mentioned that Michlin mentioned altering the sizes. If the owner understood it, he wouldn't have reached out.

I have said my own and I will not get involved in this any longer...not worth my time.

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I don't know what the alumaco guy told you about me but there's no way a window will be 6 by 5 and I will supply 5 by 4. It's not done anywhere. Go anywhere in the industry. The adjustment is done in inches. I will just have to deduct about 4" on both side which will make the sizes 68" by 56". It's industrial standard go ask anywhere and anyone. While am fighting this is because I don't want my name to be associated with fraud or anything like that. I wouldn't win every job I apply for but to be called out as a fraud and thief is something I don't want to associate with my name.
Thanks for the first job and it's being amazing working for you. Enjoy your build and life. It has been a good journey.

soonest:
Pls keep your heads up and keep up your good works. Many here want you to succeed, it's just a few that want to hear bad story and say shebi i talk am.
All the best in your endevours

thanks ma'am

Jasobry:
House owner should have investigated before conclusion. I will rather drop the job and move on... because there isn't trust in the business after all

Jasobry:
House owner should have investigated before conclusion. I will rather drop the job and move on... because there isn't trust in the business after all

that one isn't much of my problem. My biggest concern here is my name which is being dragged into the mud

lovelani:
Brother, this my sound harsh and stupid...but think about it . Forget the job and let it go.....I hate bad energy. Or stay put and hustle am sha

zuraking:
Probably the window guy has someone that can do the burglary job and wants to tarnish our own welder name(make God forgive me if thats not his intention)

And to the main OP that brought the issue here, you people shouldn't just rush to bring half cooked stories here, you can reach out to your clients first and later bring the issue here if you are 90% sure of your accusations.

Michlins still remains our respectable welder here and it pains me he lives in the east and not Lagos.

the alumaco guy is swearing with his God that I didn't ask him to do anything. I called him again when this issue was brought up and recorded it. The conversation is in igbo language though and I can't upload it here for reasons I don't understand.

The op states that the alumaco guy said that I told him to make smaller windows but same guy is saying another thing altogether and swearing on top of it all. I don't know who to believe now but one thing I know for certain is that [b]I'M NOT A FRAUD[b/]. It's important to me that everyone knows that

About your Lagos jobs, tell me where and I will deliver it to you

rotecch77:
I understand you my guy.
But you know what, don’t let flog the matter here much just liaise with your cleint I believed he is a listening fellow, he is the one that gave you work don’t tress your self much about the Aluminum guy.

I will suggest you take your measurement next time when the wall is plastered if time permits .
But if it’s urgent deal let the site engr or your client know your measurement before given the price.

please bro, it's important to me that this issue is completely cleared up and everyone that saw the initial issue knows what actually transpired. It's one thing not to get a job and another thing to be labeled a fraud in the same market you intend to get more clients. Another thing is that the internet NEVER forgets.


My name is too important to me

rotecch77:
Let’s do small tutorial on door ( let’s use ft and inches here)

Regular 3ft door as example,
- wall opening size width 3ft
- wall opening size height 7ft
Door frame 7*3 ft

Door leaf size; you will reduce 2” (50mm) from up, side A,side B and threshold[(this will take care of tiles or any floor finishings thickness)
( this reduction is for the frame)]
Now your door leaf size will be
- width 2ft 8”
- height 6ft 8”

So don’t expect your door to be 3ft by 7ft
When your builder, engr, or artisan deliver your door

so please sir, how does asking the alumaco guy which measurements he's adjusting with become a case of fraud. Now I asked alumaco, how many are you adjusting to fit and he told house owner that I wanted to shorten the sizes to make more money.

Jasobry:
Please send it here before i will comment

check your WhatsApp please sir. Sent

rotecch77:
Let me talk Generally on burglar bars
I’m not using this to support any side.
As I was thought in sch as building tech student then which I’m also putting into practice at site.

Case of burglar bars
Let assumed your block opening is 1200*1200
You need to reduce 25mm from all four sides of the WALL OPENINGS.( this is for plastering gauge)

Then you will also consider 15mm reductions from all 4 sides agains ( for alignment)

Now you will left with 25+15mm =40mm
You final burglar size to be delivered to the site will be 1160mm * 1160mm.

This also applicable to door.

now this is exactly the reason I spoke with the alumaco guy. When I went to site, they were still building the carcass and no plastering has been done. I only asked him to help me with his measurements since he's the last person there to save me some time. In a sane world, it's not a big ask to make from a fellow artisan but I guess we live in a crazy world.


Please everyone, I didn't work so hard,see me called a thief and dragged here only to ruin it over window burglaries.

I'm here for the long run

bixton:
It's well.
Just upload the recorded calls on the thread. Anyone interested will download it and interpret.

I get some kind of error when I want to upload it

The site in question, I still have materials close to 50,000 which I plan to take when I supply another job there. So in what world will I want to ruin my reputation and chances with subsequent jobs

bixton:
Michlins was right to say it's an error in communication.

I guess the word "modification" is misinterpreted.

All he needed was the measurement of the window fabricator and he will align his own welded burglary to conform to the size making it more precise. I guess this was done based on the type of burglary to be welded and fixed.


Professionally not looking at design plans this is way better. Otherwise every artisan works his measurements and come and fix and tell the client na the measurement of the window I use as agreed. Then when the time for dressing window come the maosn man finds who to blame when the client complains of improper size not aligned.

bro I just called the alumaco guy and I recorded the calls. He swore never to have said I told him that I intended to defraud him and make more profits


If anyone here understand Igbo language, I can send the details to him to interprete

GoodFaith:
YOUR COMMENT WAS PURE INSULT TO ALL OF US

"I'm sorry I don't understand."-------Really the window size will be smaller-
Windows protector will be smaller--- smaller window more profit

Are we really dumb here that you don't get it

People need to stop trying to protect other smart ass people here

Call us mumu

bro eh this thing weak me. Oga Ty01 is asking me why I didn't adjust the measurements he gave me to be smaller so it will fit his windows probably because of the alumaco guy and manson has dressed the window thereby making it smaller

Like I said earlier, should I get a measurement of a job that says 4 by 4, the alumaco guy will be working with something closer to 44 by 44.

So I personally asked him the contact of the alumaco guy to know exactly what measurements he's working with to avoid me supplying something higher than the measurements. Whoever that makes alumaco windows here knows exactly what am talking about and it's a problem we face as a welder.

This same person I did a standing tank for without compromising on standard, how will I start on windows where everyone will see the size and I will want to cheat?

The alumaco guy in question, I will say is just mischievous and probably wanted to get the whole jobs. I called him today and he told me he didn't speak to the house owner except explain to him how I needed his help. And to think he swore with the name of God about speaking I'll about me I wish I recorded the calls.

My explanation with the house owner is this.

When a window is 4 by 4, as a welder I will not do that exact measurements because of dressing and stuff. The alumaco person will not supply 4 by 4 and as such, I need to modify my measurements to align with that of the alumaco person or else my job won't fit