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BascoVanVeli:
It is the system, last year he shot the ball more, we all remember him against this same team last year.

exactly, Pep wants his players to shoot more, De Bruyne shoots a lot and he is the only main figure of Pep's city, Sterling too is shooting more. that's what Pep wants so Iheanacho should start shooting more

TheSuperNerd:
I would counter-argue it shows how little he gets the ball and especially how little the City players seek him out....

He saved their sorry asses yesterday and was super inventive enough to have set up Silva and Gundogan who blew their chances and also to have had another shot blocked away for a corner after scoring his goal in the 55th minute.

I am not necessarily saying that you are not correct, I am just saying that a players has such a poor shot ratio should try to improve it and it shouldn't really be a great thing. I meant it more in a general term, a striker should be trying to shoot most times

TheSuperNerd:
KILLER KELECHI IHEANACHO STATS SUM UP
MANCHESTER CITY IMPACT

https://images.indianexpress.com/2016/10/kelechi-iheanacho_reuters-m.jpg





Manchester City may have missed out on all three
points when they hosted Southampton in the
Premier League on Sunday, but things would
have been a lot worse had Kelechi Iheanacho not
struck a fine second-half equaliser.


Saints took the lead through Nathan Redmond,
and after labouring for an equaliser, City finally
found a way back into the match when
Iheanacho reacted quickest to fire Leroy Sane’s
cross past Fraser Forster.


The strike was the attacker’s third of the season
in the Premier League—to date he’s also
contributed three assists in seven appearances—
and he looks on course to beat last season’s tally
of eight goals in the top flight.


He’s also struck in the Champions League,
averaging a goal every seven minutes (!) so far
after marking a late cameo appearance against
Borussia Monchengladbach with an effort at the
death.

https://images.performgroup.com/di/library/Goal_Nigeria/de/9/kelechi-iheanacho_1ph8366xlvxc1r3bhzed70i0v.jpg?t=1118700271


With the forward having found the net eight
times in his last 11 Premier League outings,
he could stake a claim for being one of the
division’s most in-form frontmen, and Pep
Guardiola must surely begin to consider whether
the poacher deserves more of an opportunity in
his starting XI.


Indeed, Aguero’s failure to find the net against
Southampton means that he’s now gone three
EPL games without a goal for the first time since
December 2015, and the Argentine appears well
short of his best form.


However, perhaps the most fascinating Iheanacho
stat—and certainly the most telling when it
comes to understanding his recent impact—is
that the Super Eagles hitman has netted 11
goals from just 17 shots on target during his
Premier League career since making his debut at
the beginning of last season.


It’s remarkable evidence of his consistency in
front of goal, and considering Iheanacho is still
only 20, it’s tantalising to imagine just how
dangerous he will become.


Source: http://m.goal.com/s/en-ng/news/4110/nigerians-abroad/2016/10/24/28783482/killer-kelechi-iheanacho-stats-sum-up-manchester-city-impact

I would argue that it shows his lack of inventiveness, as a striker you need to be taking shots not being conservative, seventeen shots on target from eleven games isn't a good return

safarigirl:
Exactly. There is an obvious case of 'pass the ball to Aguero' when he's on the pitch. He's used to being the sole goal scorer, but that ideology defeats the essence of football as a team game. This isn't tennis where you ride solo.

Notice City played their best when he was out, everyone got on the score sheet and they were executing Barcelona-styled tiki-taka.

There was a time even Barca was all about Messi, but since Suarez and Neymar came, he has learnt to pass the ball and racked up more assists than goals last season even. Aguero needs to learn too, no wonder Pep told him yo watch Suarez.

He cost City today in both halves. First, with the John Stones goal and then when he should have passed to Kelechi or Sterling

you are there. he was the person that cost them that first goal. you know your position isn't okay, you also know that the ball is beyond you that even if you manage to get to it you will head it over and you heard your teammates shouting to you and yet you jumped, selfish selfish play. then the second chance, that was a cutback, there are just a few players who know how to finish from a tight angle and Aguero isn't one of them, you have a Ayer in the middle who has smartly pulled back from the defender who is lost as to what he should do, if he should cover the empty net or mark his man, why not pull the ball back for the free man to tap in? you are not Messi, even Messi would have passed that ball to him, that isn't rocket science and that's what Pep's football is all about, creating tap ins for the freest player, simple and short

TheGoodJoe:


Aguero is World Class. I doubt that is even a debate. He looks troubled but we can not criticise his play in the recent past years. This is not Ronaldinho who had two to three years at the top. Aguero is over five years at City. He won the WYC golden boot and ball in 2007. This is almost nine years after.

There is a challenge but his work rate and dynamism over the years is not a debate. He is world class.

Ronaldinho went to the 2002 world cup and he wasn't bad either, He played for PSG for several seasons and he was great for them, so he didn't just have four good seasons, you can argue that Aguero WAS world class and you might have a good debate there, but since last season he has been very very close to average for me. Scholes said he is.great? he is an Englishman and they hype their players a lot, not surprised one but

TheGoodJoe:
63'STAT: Kelechi Iheanacho has scored 8
times in his last 11 Premier League games
for Manchester City, and 11 goals with 17
shots on target in the top-flight.

With more starts, Iheanacho can better the statistics. The young man defines a lot of what Guardiola wants. Keep trying. Keep jumping. Keep running. Keep passing. Keep shooting.

I said it before, Aguero is not world class, He might have a good goalscoring record but he isn't world class. his policymaking skills aren't great, his ability to play as a false nine is even worse and I seriously believe that he will follow the same way that Ronaldinho followed, hopefully Nacho will be the Pedro who benefits from that

TheGoodJoe:

Does the Flo quote you posted show that Solanke's all round play is exceptional? What Flo said is simple.

Good First Touch.
Good Physique.
Good Keeping the Ball under Pressure.

It means Solanke is good as the big man up front. He did not say his all round play is exceptional. So why post that as a reply to what Mickael2 said?

Nna eh

forgiveness:
Have you seen Solanke play before?

As if I never play ball before.

What is the difference between skill and dribble?

You are entitled to your opinion.

yes I have, you know that startimes do manage to show eredivise matches on Fox sports so I have watched his games and his poaching skills are good. but his all round play isn't as exceptional as you make it out to be.

Ronaldo has more skills than Messi, you know snake bites, leg overs, rainbow flicks and stuffs like that, but Messi dribbles better than he does, that for me is the difference

Generals03:
I disagree sir.

Passing, marking and other basics actually belong to average players.


Consistently beating your markers, dribbling, laying killer passes, shooting accuracy etc belongs to the talented pool. You cannot do these things except you have it in built in you. Talent makes a player exceptional. It makes hin consistently do beyond the basics.

remember I said knowing when to do which is important, more important in fact. you have to learn somewhere, if from a tender age I know how to pass, mark and shoot then that means I have the talent there, now.if you take up that talent you can then teach me other peripherals, remember we are talking about the under 17 here, do you know that a team made up of people who know how to pass well and shoot well and mark well will absolutely destroy a team made up up of.dribbles. knowing how to pass, shoot and mark is the basic talent from which other attributes of.soccer can be learnt

TheGoodJoe:
I want to address the talk of Amunike's team not having talented players.

Different coaches have different philosophies and styles. A player might look talented in a system and look poor in another system.

The tiki taka passing philosophy requires players who work hard off the ball. Whether getting into position to receive passes or working hard as a unit to retrieve the ball. The players do not dribble unnecessarily unless they are in a difficult situation.

The players rely on quick decision making instead of brilliant football tricks. They did well and carried out Amunike's plans well.

I see tagging them not as talented as other sets unfair because they do things the others can not. The players some tag as more talented can not fit perfectly into Amunike's system. I hope these young lads get more exposure and I hope the NFF supports them by rewarding them for their exploits.

We need to keep producing top quality players. With their rewards, they can make moves to secure trials. There are coaches who need these players and they give the team different options.

exactly! once you say talented people start seeing a player with flashy boots beating four or five players at a bounce or a player spraying killer passes from one defence through the other. that isn't the total definition of talent. and once you are playing ticki tacka you don't really need that in fact. if a player can make basic.passes, intercept play, Mark his man or cover his zone then he is talented,these things may look easy but it takes talent to be able to do it for ninety minutes

safarigirl:
the last time we beat a team by 3 goals was actually in 2013 under Keshi, that was the AFCON semis and I believe Mali was the unfortunate recipient of a 4-1 trashing

thank you. Well Keshi still studied under Amodu dosage philosophy it can be assumed

TheSuperNerd:
E-wine sent since hours ago. Yara Yara attended to that while I was away doing something.

I'm not surprised Sir Mickael2 has good football tactical experience as a player. He sounded like one....

That's why I had to point out my respect for his analytical prowess while sending him to "the other room" for the mikel stunt.

Sir Mickael2... You are welcome indeed. Hope Yara Yara showed up with the wine because I'm not with him ooo.....

Meanwhile, Sir GoodJoe... Which level naa?? So you bin dey carry boxing gloves for am sef...

**looks at the gloves**

No wonder.... **lips sealed**

E-wine delivered!
I never discuss Mikel since na, and the coach has also squashed my fears so let's just look on, but does he still train with them at all?? all I see is him granting interviews everyday

TheGoodJoe:
I agree with you. Conte openly lied that Mikel was injured. Definitely, that man has the guts to drop V. Moses if he puts Nigeria ahead of Chelsea.

I think the coach should leave Moses out for now and look into others. Mazzari is also an Italian. Success needs to break into the starting line-up. So we should leave him out of the squad.

exactly, so we should just take Moses whenever we see him and Success too, which means we should have a plan B in place

forgiveness:
First of all, is Isaac Success more skillful than Victor Moses?

It is too early to ask why Solanke is not playing because we still have a lot of games to play. Besides, he is was just recalled back from loan.

How can a Poacher rake in some few numbers of assist in a competition?

Please, watch the YouTube and tell me how many assist he could have had to his credit if the misfiring players fully utilize the opportunity?

Who told you he not a player?

Watch the video very well and you will see he played from the wings and he can give a killer pass.

Below is the record of his assist.

that's all you look at, stats stats and stats, ok take an example, Messi sprays a pass to Suarez and puts him clean through on goal with only the keeper to beat, Suarez sees Neymar coming and keeps his cool then gives him a square pass and he scores. the assist is for Suarez but does that mean that Suraez was creative in that move? please understand the difference between assists and chances created, this was what Solanke was doing, claiming assists from other people's through passes, that is called AWARENESS, and that's the trademark of every good poacher is it not?

Isaac Success and Victor Moses? Victor Moses is pact not really tricky, He is not the Lind of player that will use some leg overs to get past you, but Success can do that, now are you asking me who is more skilful or who dribbles better?

TheGoodJoe:


Before we can talk about how we will set up, we need to address the devotion of the team. Are Success and Moses. V ready to run their hearts out to give us goals?

The devotion we saw in Ekong, Ndidi, Omeruo, Mikel, Iwobi, Iheanacho, Onazi was impressive. Do we have other players ready to fight for the team or this is just another Avenue to mint cash?

I think Moses has decided to get a good grip on his club football first and at his age, He needs that. he has been devoted since to us, now he doesn't want to do anything to anger the coach, I won't argue of someone tells me that it was the coach that told him to say that he is injured besides the same coach is benching Mikel for doing a similar thing. but Success, I just don't know, He is a doubt for their next game too so maybe he is just injured prone, He did get injured at the u17 world cup so maybe he is made of glass.

TheGoodJoe:


Our biggest challenge is the financial challenge. It baffled me that our players talked about collecting their allowances in dollars next time.

Nigeria is in a recession. If the NFF, the Sports Ministry, the President and some good Samaritans are supporting the team, the least our players can do is collect their allowances in naira.

the disadvantages of having mainly foreign based players. They don't live here how can they know? although it isn't really much of an excuse but... somebody here said that's the problem with Africans, money. You have won 4 matches in a row and all you can think of is money, not the joy that comes with it

TheGoodJoe:

It pains me that we have a coach like Monday Sinclair and we are not using him. That is like the Wenger or Guardiola of Nigerian football.

I hope to get to him soon. He is still around and watches most Rivers United home games. I am too busy now. If I get the chance, I might talk him into organizing a coaching Seminar. Even Analyst needs this. Papa is still sharp and sound.

the football world is funny. Guardiola is the best coach around now, what exactly is he doing? he is using a formation that was used in the 70s without adding anything at all and it is working. sometimes you go forward sometimes you go backwards, I think after Rohr, our next coach should. try to bring back our old all attacking football. When was the last time we beat a team by 3 goals? it was against Mozambique in 2010, coincidentally it was Amodu in charge. back in the 80s and 90s we used to score goals for fun because we attacked a lot, I miss those days

TheGoodJoe:


At the moment, I am tied down. I have it in mind. I blew a big opportunity when I lived in the same compound with Coach Monday Sinclair. That is the former Super Eagles and Sharks coach. He was there to teach but School took a lot of my time.

Amodu Shuaibu ran a coaching school at Abuja. I heard it was all possessive attacking football. He carries academy players to the team to teach drills. He used videos, slides and consults with Sinclair.

I will enquire from the coach who is running the coaching school and let you know.

that would be wonderful. although you know Nigeria, if the owner does. the business does with or but I would be happy if you could put me through. I don't mind going to Abuja every weekend for that.
I wish I could tie down a coach like that!

TheGoodJoe:

That coach is a brilliant mind and I marvel at his understanding of the game. Sad you did not play but as a bright person, there are still numerous ways to make impact and money.

Sad we do not build our coaches enough.

if we have sound coaching courses in Nigeria I would have attended one. meanwhile you really so impress me a lot, so you also know the centre circle rule? that means you really have met a lot of.coaches, why don't you apply for a part time football analysis job? I know that you will at least be better than these guys that NTA invite to their studios by a mile

TheGoodJoe:

Even if some of us disagree with your points, we still learn from them. So keep them coming. Take care.

these their incessant arguments really really chased me off a bit. for a week now we have been on it, while we should be considering other things like what sort of formation we should be playing. I.joined this thread because I heard one coach or was it an academy coach? he said that he was in a thread on fan forum site which I later decided was nairaland and that he saw that coaches can learn a lot from such forums. he said he got a formation here which he normally overlooks but that he tried it and it worked better than his own preferred formation. that was why I joined. to discuss football. not to argue about who is better for a whole year

TheGoodJoe:


<<<Drops Gloves>>>

Whoever coached you is a genius. With time, I hope you share more tips.

Like the half way line position of Central defenders, I heard of it recently from the assistant coach of Amodu Shuaibu I met.

He said that during their scoring drills, when Coach Monday Sinclair coached him, by the time they scored, Sinclair wanted all of them on the half way line.

He said, if they did not meet up, they did the drill allover. It was nice reading you pointing it out.

sadly football has changed a lot sha, back then that's how it was and any body who has played understood it well. We were coached by a former ranges coach, I can't remember his name, I was this close to leaving the shores but my school teachers came.and said that I am too intelligent to play football, lol, that was around 2000, I instantly lost interest in football and faced my studies but I still do remember a lot about it, and you are absolutely correct, we played the 4-4-2 formation. I said it before that we think alike, you get my point almost all the time and I get yours too

forgiveness:
A third striker at the fourth best club in the world is not a beans.

It is a very big achievement many youngsters dreams of, including Iwobi, Iheanacho and Success. Abi I lie?

see my brother, I didn't want to comment on this again but I will. I said earlier that I would choose Xavi over Ronaldnho and De Bruyne over HAZARD and I stand by it. if you watch Success closely you will see that he can dribble probably not as good as Hazard but assuming he started his career at a good club he would be just as good as Hazard trust me, so if Success had started at Chelsea just like Solanke, trust me he would be benching Willian by now or at least he will be the first sub any day. there are many players who can do what Hazard does but because they didn't start at a good academy they never fulfilled that potential. after reading everything you posted since, I decided to go and watch their games and compare their goals and assists. so you know why Solanke does not play at Chelsea? because he is a poacher not a player, Conte does not play with a poacher, you can see Costa coming to midfield to play. now Solanke can't do that half as well Iheanacho , although you may argue that he has a better eye for goal but in a team game you need to be creating chances too, watch Chelsea vs Leicester city, Costa created 3 good chances, Iheanacho does just that. so when comparing the two, Solanke might be the better goalscorer although I highly doubt that but for.modern day football, poaching alone isn't sufficient. lewandowski.is losing his place to Kimmich right now because of that, you can find a lot of good poachers but only few.strikers can truly influence a game without scoring and Iheanacho is among so any coach will take Iheanacho ahead of Solanke. and if Success had started playing for chelsea's academy, He would be considered a better prospect than Solanke. you argument on Iwobi is just funny, do you think it's easy for an African to bench an Englishman in the EPL? but Iwobi is benching Chamberlain, when Ramsey comes to he will bench him, what else do you want?

TheGoodJoe:
By the way, I want to give a big shout out to Mickael2. As much as I am wearing my boxing gloves for him, I believe without a doubt his technical understanding of the game is very valuable to us.

He does not just understand the possessive attacking philosophy but played it. I think such playing experience is valuable to us. I hope he helps us understand some technical tactics and strategies we missed.

Glad to have you here, Mickael2.

TheSuperNerd, please send him the E-wine.

I am blushing, thanks a lot bro. Grant me amnesty and put away your gloves na

TheSuperNerd:
Hmmm... If Onazi is indeed injured, I wonder about the "seriousness" and extent of the injury.

We need him against Algeria coz of his synergy with Mikel but like Sir Mickael2 have always pointed out, A Younger, faster and more dynamic Wilfred Ndidi can still step in and make Onazi "not missed at all"..... But shaa... Make we no rush decisions ooo....

Onazi has been great, so far, at Trabzonspor shaa... One of their very top players.

simple and short. for me, Azubuike should be the sub for Ndidi sef, Onazi should be our utility player, you know the kind you sub in when you are winning a game to sure up your midfield. not that I hate him, I love him actually but his recent performances just depict one fact, He fights a lot but the form is no longer there. we are in an era were defensive midfielders need to be able to create opportunities and or score, He does neither.

ChrisKels:
Sir, honestly I don't rate Onazi. His wayward passes are way too infuriating. People always tell us how workaholic he is, but my question is the use of him winning possession and lose it immediately due his inability to give a simple pass? Worst of all he ain't disciplined and he fails to understand his role too. I rate Azubuike okechukwu even higher...

U saw younger Ndidi doing his job as though he was a veteran today right? That's what he does week in week out, if u had been following the Belgian league. That's typical of a good DMF

my brother, you deserve a hug. I have been saying the same thing, what is the use of winning possession if you will lose it almost immediately? well they said it a because of his synergy with Mikel but then Casemiro came into the real Madrid midfield midway through last season and he still got along well with Modric and Kroos so synergy is just a lame excuse. Ndidi was playing like Busquets yesterday, even better I must add, so why is he sitting on the bench for a Lazio reject? No offence

Is anybody watching Genk vs Athletic Bilbao? Ndidi is totally bossing the midfield against Athletic Bilbao, not some sunday league team. Ndidi has been the starman, yet people crucify me when I say that he should start ahead of Onazi

shogz89:
I Can now accept you won this,, didn't really check up his assist. Note: you don't really need to go bizarre when arguing. Peace

cool guy. Sorry though, it was the way you attacked me saying that I was on drugs that actually got me irritated, but we are cool, hopefully we will learn more from each other.
Cc forgiveness and TheSuperNerd, come and see how we managed our own conflict

shogz89:
yes am a Chelsea fan, No am not blind rather you are the blind one who's just trying to be mischievous. Now you gave the aggregate which is good, can you give me those stat per season to make the picture clearer and how i have been wrong by saying kevin was only better last season. Will your argument about the better player remain the same if 1,2,3,4,5,6 seasons ago are used per season or aggregate. Now can you keep quiet if you get that. As per the bolded, you just telling me how old you probably might be.

if you want stats, I will give you the stats.

De Bruyne
16/17- 2 goals and 6 assists
15/16- 17goals and 16 Assist
14/15- 16 goals and 28 assists.


Hazard
16/17- 3 goals and 1 assist
15/16- 6 goals and 8 assists
14/15- 19 goals and 13 assists

Willian
16/17- 2 goals
15/16- 11 goals and 10 assists
14/15- 4 goals and 3 assists.

Now what are you still arguing?
De Bruyne has been consistently better than him(Stat wise) for the past 3 seasons, what are you still saying exactly?! I will keep on showing you all the stats you want till you agree that stat wise, De Bruyne has been better

shogz89:
And is that new,, what about when they have always been defeated,,, I will rather you keep quiet,, just because you want to make a point you run other players down.. And the only season De bruyne could possibly be better than hazard is last season, this season and three seasons ago they are not on the same league not to talk of adding Willian to it. Draw up your stats if am wrong.

ok.

Debruyne has 50 Assists and 35 goals from the last 3 seaons(this one is included)

Hazard has 22 Assists and 28 goals

Willian has 15 Assists and 17 goals.

If you remember I said NUMBER OF ASSISTS which if you add Hazard and Willians assists it will still be 37 which is very very very far below De Bruyne's 50. Now come to goals, individually, De Bruyne has scored more goals than them(35), if you then add Hazard and Willian's goals it gives 45 which is just 10 above De Bruyne's own. Now add goals and assists together, De Bruyne would have 85, while Hazard and Willian combined would have 82. Now can you please keep quiet if you don't know what to say. You are just a blind Chelsea fan who probably does not even know the name of your team owner, I didn't add Silva to the equation, I didn't add Toure, I only used to De Bruyne to totally destroy your point.


You said Chelsea can NEVER lose like that to Barca. I gave you an instant where Chelsea lost like that to Arsenal sef and you are talking another rubbish, nawa o

shogz89:
you seem to be on drugs with what you've just written, so no Chelsea player is better than man city. Even with a man down, Chelsea wouldn't have gone down so cheaply to Barcelona. If a player get injured and the whole team collapse it's a sign of a very bad team and not the other way round. And on what basis are you comparing hazard to De bruyne.

on Hazard and De bruyne, De Bruyne has created more chances than Hazard for the past 3 seasons running, what is the work of an AMF? Do you think it's about dribbling? I'd rather have Xavi in my team than Ronaldinho, Ronaldinho can beat 6 players to score one goal, Xavi can give 6 passes for your team to score 6 goals. Individually, Ronaldinho is better, but when it comes to team player, Xavi for me.

De Bruyne has assisted more goals in the past 3 seasons than Hazard and Willian combined.

What does Hazard do better than De Bruyne beside dribbling defenders?

shogz89:
you seem to be on drugs with what you've just written, so no Chelsea player is better than man city. Even with a man down, Chelsea wouldn't have gone down so cheaply to Barcelona. If a player get injured and the whole team collapse it's a sign of a very bad team and not the other way round. And on what basis are you comparing hazard to De bruyne.

Arsenal beat Chelsea(11 complete players) 3-0, please shut up and go to the other room

forgiveness:
Is Manchester City among the top 5 or 10 clubs in the world?

Look below and tell me the answer.

they have won more league titles than Chlesea in the past 5 seasons, so who is currently bigger? They have finished above Chelsea in all but one of the past 5 seasons too