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TheSuperNerd:
It was Sweden who won the last UEFA U-21 title by beating Renato Sanches and co of Portugal via penalties.... Not Spain.

They won the U19 though

TheGoodJoe:
You are making it look like if the Spanish team do not get defeated or they have not lost with their zonal marking.

You are also making it look like only starters can play well. If it was so, would a player, Nacho benching at City perform the way he did.

I will say it and say it again. Our U21 will thrash this Spanish U21 side.

Success might be selfish to you but at his young age, he is the best player in a La Liga side.

Iwobi is a starter for Arsenal. Iheanacho in his last two games for the Super Eagles was our best player.

Ndidi scored four goals as a defensive midfielder during the play offs. These are beast players.

No no, you said we will flog them. I am just trying to make you understand that they best we can get from them is a close game assuming they don't take us to the cleaners that is. You said something earlier, Spain does not have a Messi but they play to their strength, you just mentioned individual players from Nigeria, what if they do not work together? Anyways, let's just hope you are right and we get to rejoice in the next few years, I am a Nigerian afterall, it's not as if i want us to fail

TheGoodJoe:


What I like about Spain is that, they are not producing a Messi or a CR7. Villa was just a miracle. Players like that hardly come out in Spain. They now their limit and they build their team to play to their strength. They are not individually strong, so they defend together.

They do not have the Hazard or Victor Moses to skip pass players. So they stay together and pass the ball neatly.

They know their weaknesses. Accept it and work on their strength. The might not win all the trophies but they win a lot with it.

England needs to change their philosophy of the game. Accept their weaknesses encourage competition and they will go.

Spain have been doing it right and they will keep performing. I see Nigeria growing in that way. Maigari started a good work maintaining continuity. I hope Pinnick continues.

Continuity is the Spanish strength.

That's the problem. Pinnick hs been poor, let me not say he is poor but he has been poor. All we hear about are new problems, unpaid salaries, boycots, and all types of vices that you can imagine. I hope he picks up though, just that Dalung does not even know his own right and left

TheGoodJoe:

Your point is very clear. As for England, they have themselves to blame. As long as they keep seeing foreign talents as their obstacle, they will continue performing poorly.

Throw out all these home grown rules and let their best talents struggle to make it.

Sterling is not worth £50 Million their home grown rules make him worth more than he really is.

Same goes to their teams. Their players are overhyped and grow into clubs they do not merit.

Competition is a key part of development and English players grow with little competition.

I agree. That's why I love these other leagues. They create a certain balance between local players and foreign players. In most of the other leagues the highest paid players are always foreigners, but in England it is Rooney who let's be honest has lost it since. Yet the local talents develop better in these other leagues because of the competition the provide, although there is still a certain level of preference to their local talents, especially in their youth teams. In England, their youth teams are made of foreigners who they expect they steal at the international level, infact the English League system has become a joke recently

TheGoodJoe:
Tah. We will flog them. Which kind of not come close. Our fire power up front is crazy.

Our forward line of
Success - Osimhen - Iheanacho
Is a monster of goals.
Iwobi behind them is just dangerous.
Ndidi and Popoola is monster.

We will flog them.

-------------------Osimhen(CF)-------------------
Success(SS) ------------------------Iheanacho(SS)
-----------------------Iwobi(AMF)------------------------
-----------Ndidi(DMF)-------------Popoola(CMF)

which club does Oshimen play for again? Have you seen Success? He tends to be selfish sometimes. A tactical team like that Spanish U19 will put two markers on him and he wiill fade out of the game. A tactical team that employs zonal marking will totally outwit this team. Don't forget that Bellerin will be playing and let's be honest, he is faster than Nacho, if they keep a highline, Nacho won't be able to get behind him. That's the tactics that am talking about, not that we do not have good players but they are more tactically astute

TheGoodJoe:

By 1996, Ronaldo De Lima was already better than Romario. He was Supported by Bebeto. Rivaldo was already a rising phenomenon. Roberto Carlos was on his way to the top three players in the World.

Flavio Conceicao joined Real from there. Juninho was one of the best players in the EPL.

That Brazil team we beat was a beast of a team. I still watch that game trying to understand how we won.

We had a bright talented squad but their belief in themselves pushed then against Monster opponents. The Argentine team in the final was also a beast team.

I am not really comparing which team is better, I just said that he should have made his point in a more apt manner. That's he could have said that we beat a brazilian team that later went on to win the 1997 Copa and got to the 1998 finals. Because saying we beat thesame Brazil that got to the 1994 world cup means we beat Romario and the other players there hence my point

TheGoodJoe:

We have better young talents than Spain at the moment. When you talk of the likes of Thiago Alcantara, Isco, Morata, Sarabia, Carvajal, Deuleofeu, Koke etc, they are the set before our golden generation. That is not the same set of our current team.

This is their time now but our team comes after them. Most still U20. Our Present U21 team, if well selected would rout the current Spanish U21.

By the way mark the Spanish Brahim Diaz. One of Man City's Etihad Campus Product. Beast of a player, plays for the U18 of Spain.

Wait, are you serious? Am I mistaking or isn't it Spain that just won the European U21 and U19 titles?

Our U21 won't even come close to Spain's own, not because they are more talented but because they are more tactical. Most of them are already starters for teir clubsides, apart from a handful, most of our U21s are bench pieces. So we won't even get a draw against them

Chrisooblog understands my point perfectly well.

We may have the talent now but check this out, why is Enyeama not in a top club? I mean he is among the top 6 GKs in the world, but the thing is that all these top teams tend to include more of their nationals into their teams. Victor Moses would start ahead of Sterling if they both weren't playing for Liverpool, Omeruo would be a sure starter for Chealsea if he was an England player after his exploits at the World Cup.

So my position is this, we may have the talents now, but how do we develop without any youth system?! For a Nigerian to succeed he has to be super-talented not just talented, you are not going to make it in top league as a Nigerian except if you are so good that leaving you out would be a crime.

We have the talents now, but Germany, France, Spain and maybe Italy still have the leagues and the development systems. Check out England where the teams comprise more of foreign players than local one, that's why they are so poor. I heard that they are working on increasing the number of local talents in their team. So that's my point, racism still exists and it will hamper them all

TheSuperNerd:
Oga.... it is on record that we beat those nations while they carried such pedigree into Atlanta.

It was the exact same squad composition but An U-23 Side is as close as it gets to a senior side. It's the senior side's younger squad.

At Atlanta 96, Brazil had Ronaldo (World player of the year 1996), Rivaldo, Bebeto, Dida, Roberto Carlos... etc... Na wa ooo

Argentina had Crespo, Claudio Lopez, Ortega, etc..... come on!

It is on record we beat the reigning world champs and 93 copa winners.... take it or leave it..

Even most of that Brazil squad went on to win the copa in 1997 and 1999.

That same Brazil squad (several of them) played France 98 too.


..............

And Nigeria's crash in the round of 16 was a shock because we lost to a side that couldn't even beat the South Africans in the group stage.

We were favorites going into that match against Denmark because of our reputation as Olympics champs and the composition of our squad still littered with the golden generation.

But... and a big but... Tournament-wise, we were still underdogs... or better still, Dark horses.

We were underdogs even against Spain boasting a side that had UEFA champions league winners from Real Madrid's UCL winning side (Morientes, Raul Gonzalez, Fernando Hierro).

So yes, at France 98, we were largely underdogs. Dark horses, even, just to make it mild.

Thank you. Dark Horses and not underdogs. Dark Horses are considered as teams that may be able to win on an extremely good day, but underdogs are mainly teams that are just expected to ruffle a few feathers and disappear.


And I wasn't against what you said, my point is that you should have said we beat the 1997 Copa America finalists in the 1996 Olympics, so it will concur. It will simply mean that they graduated from the 1996 olympics team to the 1997 copa America team. None of those players you mentioned played for either Brazil or Argentina frequently at the 1994 world cup except Bebeto and Ortega, who were over-aged after all

Nellybii:
You must be really pissed off with the government. Why don't you join the NDA, blow up some pipes. It is better for you.

lol. Permit to ask if you are from the hausa tribe? Cause you sure do talk like one.

Instead of you to talk about important things you ended up directing the conversation towards violence and arson which is what MOST of your people love. I have no intention of blowing up pipelines, I am not from the Niger Delta either, but if you really think that we are better off with Buhari as our president then you are not telling yourself the truth. As at now, he has failed! I am not talking about what he will do next year, neither did i say he will fail at the end of his tenure, I said he has failed and yes, that pisses me off

TheSuperNerd:
Here's another angle.....

Speaking about the Spaniards and Die Mannschaft...

These guys have structures I admire so much. They will never fail to produce top talents but even at that, Germany today still struggle with replacing Miroslav Klose.

Germany don't have a top striking talent coming through for now.

Also, Spain haven't found David Villa's replacement.

These nations still have holes in a few positions when I look at their talents pool.

But Nigeria is another case... we are not there yet but the way this new generation is going, they can turn out to be our 2nd Golden Generation..... Our Super Golden Generation Next.

Even a journalist in Manchester once said last year after the U-17s World cup of 2015 that Nigeria is on the verge on unleashing another beast team if all goes well, that can terrorise world football.

He said this having our 2013 and 2015 classes in mind as with other super talents coming through in every single position. Now that's the most scary part, Nigeria have top rising talents for every position.

Germany have Average talents rising through for now in the no.9 position.

Brazil crashed out of Copa America in the first round without Neymar. Brazil lacks enough quality talents. They only boast a few. Even the Gabigol they are hyping played against a rag-tag Nigerian U-23 team and flopped.


So it's not Eureka for some of the top dogs sef....

ehm

you cannot possibly replace Klose, it's not possible and yes, they have an issue there, they had to play Gotze who is garbage to me as a false9, but nonetheless I expect them to produce another top striker soon.

II guess you haven't heard of Morata recently. I know he is still raw and not super talented like Villa but if he moves to a club will he be starting regularly then he could be better, well probably not but he will become better.

And when you talk about Spain, they are the future powerhouse personified. Degea is going to be their first choice for the next 13-15 years non-stop. Alba is still young, carvajal too, then you have Bellerin. Inshort, their fullbacks are certain to be top qualities for the next decade or 2. I can't really name any of their CBs now but I expect them to produce one, it's not such a tough position. Then I don't really think that I have to say anything about their midfield. Then they also have Asensio, Mayoral, Mariano and a host of other top talents in Barca and Madrid's academies.


Then Germany, apart from Kroos, Neuer and Hummels, all their players are below 27, and they have Andre TerStegen too

TheSuperNerd:
Reality is Naming at most 10 Brazilians under 21 years right now who are full of potentials and are doing great in Europe stats-wise and performance-wise.

I await the list. I have my list of 10 Nigerian Top class U-21s ready. So you go first....

You think we won't be able to dominate world football? **smh**

We have seen the first golden generation of Nigerian football from 1990-early 2000s.

Now another "possible" Super Golden Generation rises and you think they CAN'T OR DON'T HAVE THE POTENTIALS to dominate not just African football but World football as one of the Top dogs....?

We have always been underdogs on the world stage even with the first golden generation but as underdogs we beat World Champs, Brazil and 1993 Copa America Champs, Argentina at Atlanta 96.

We were ranked no.5 in the world on the prestigious Fifa/Coca cola World football rankings for national teams in 1994-95.... no African team past and present have achieved that.
We were even ranked 9th and even 11th in the world as recently as 2004-2006.

That Golden generation competed and held their own with the best.

Whether the new Golden Generation will be tagged underdogs is one matter.... Even after Nigeria's Success at USA 94 and then Atlanta 96., we were still tagged "underdogs" in France 98... despite our meteoric rise and stunning reputation going into that tournament.


My own is whether we will or will not dominate World football again like we witnessed at Atlanta.

The world can tag us Underdogs all they want.... ours is to open our eyes and actually see that the future of football belongs to us.

Anyway, I still await that Top 10 list of Brazilian wonder players Under 21 years of age.

I will name them later but let me address the other things you said.

We did not beat the World Champions Brazil, neither did we beat the Copa America champs, we beat their U23 side, there is a huge difference there. Romario was not in the team that we beat was he? Yet he was Brazil's best player.

We were not tagged as underdogs in the 98 tourney by any means. Infact, the World was shocked that we lost out in the Round of 16, everyone expected us to beat Denmark who were not just any weak team too. So that 98 team was in no way considered the underdogs, but you do understand that they were considered outsiders for the title infact!

Nellybii:
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So if this government is made of crooks and liars, what was GEJ government made of?
And you are too trbalistic.

Who is still talking about GEJ's government now? Where did you come from? GEJ is no longer the President, can't you just deal with it?! So because GEJ's cabinet was made up of liars, Buhari's cabinet ought to contain liars too? Guy, if you do not know what to say then keep shut

Honesty007:
Coach siasia should not mess up with the already included no change players which are
in Attack-issac success, Kelechi inheanacho,Junior Ajayi,Imoh ezekiel,Musa Muhammed,Ekpai ebong

Midfield-Alex iwobi, wilfred Ndidi,ifeanyi Matthew,Daniel poopola,umar,Muhammed yahaya and chiktara

DMF- pls help me

CBF-i dunno
There are some players we all need.Let siasia go and rewatch the friendly match tournament the U23s long had with the flying eagles who won that Tournament with a 3-2win and let him select some players again

sokari,tiongolo tanbara,etebo oghenekaro and some other players who won the CAF U23 tournament should not be thrown in the bins but can be used as substitutes.

Siasia's last card is to throw open the camp with more professional players home based.

Friday fred,some Nigeria players like troost ekong and other who have pledge allegiance to represent Nigeria @ rio should be used as super subs.
That is enough and then we can rest from selection head aches.siasia cn hv two 11 teams withing 2 weeks of rigorous training.Thats all

Who is Ekpai Ebong again and why is he ahead of Moses Simon and Awoniyi?

Musa Mohammed is not a striker na, I thought he is a RB?

When did Chikatara become a midfielder?

Do you mean Musa Yahaya or is there another Mohammed Yahaya


How can you use Troost Ekong who is a defender as a super sub?

You see? We are all castigating Siasia but most of us won't even be better.

PS: sorry i used your own comment as an example, no vex

Napoleon55:
Nigeria dominance in world football is imminent,this time around will be a different story altogether because we r going for the real trophy,2022 world cup. Lack of experience contributed to our failure in USA 94,now have all experience we need

Wait o brother, do you think we are the only ones with future talents? Neymar is still below 23 and in him, Brazil have a focal point that could last for years, Spain produces talents on per second billing, Germany nko? Let's be realistic. You can say that we will dominate African football in that period but world football? Nope, we will still be the underdogs, not the dominant dogs

BBluv2015:
With due respect to Father Mbaka, are u called by God or by politicians? If u re called by God to lead people to heaven, y work for politicians dt do not have ur time. Is this d message of salvation u re called to preach? How does this statement of yours lead sinners to Christ? Pls learn from Men of God like Pst Kumuyi, Pst Olukoya, Pst Adeboye & others even Rev. Fathers that are striving to lead people to the kingdom of God and not those that are depopulating the kingdom of God. Do you know how many people this statement of yours will lead to hell because they will react by insulting u and the President which is a sin and may not have the opportunity to repent. Pls give unto Ceaser what is for Ceaser and give unto God what is of God. If u want to remain on d pulpit, pls remain there and preach d gospel of salvation or leave d pulpit and join politics, a lot of parties will welcome u. Why not use this time to pray for d salvation of the President & for Christians that are killed daily because of Christ. Why not pray for the peace of Nigeria instead of causing war? A lot of us knew u via this political talk and not as a man of God & that is not good enough. Pls think about it.

I do not know if it's your inability to understand simple English or something worse than that, probably outright hatred towards the catholic church. What did he say? Do not wish death unto any man, so is that not part of the word of God? Wishing someone evil is sin for Christ's sake!

What was the next thing he did? He prayed for his leader. Is that not in the Bible too? So if he prays for his leaders it makes a political priest? Understand English na, what he did is just like praying for anyother sick person. He called his President to offer words of advice, how is that politically motivated?! And please, do not ever again mention those Pastors whenever you mention Mbaka's name! All these Pastors that are driven by money, if Mbaka needs money he has enough, but just go and ask about him, how many cars does he have? He does not even own a house! He lives in the Parish house. But those pastors nko? Driving the latest Mercedes and others, come dey tell me yeye nonsense about Pastors, just because most of them supported GEJ and he lost, there is a reason why the Catholic church left those thieves in CAN

Nellybii:
We know, but God pass them.
When 5% wish you dead and 95% wish you stay alive, It is good for your progress.

Unfortunately 95% wish him dead, and the other 5% is undecided. He should quit, I am not saying he should die, ofcourse not but he should step down. I saw Adeshina lying, that guy lies more than Lai Mohammed. I mean every news outlet reported it clearly that the Presido went for a medical trip but he said yesterday that the President just went to rest. What's the point in that extraordinary fallacy?! His government is made up of crooks and liers

DollyParton1:
Read up on the history of feminism pls.
Women who stood up to fight these things were shut down initially. They endured everything that comes with identifying with the movement. Look at how far they have come and what they have been able to achieve through perseverance.

Why would I call a man a woman? Why would I wanna insult someone and insult myself instead. I am a woman, why would I see myself as an object of insult.

You asked me when it started, i told you it started almost a 100 years ago, I didn't say they were not shut down or anything. Now, do you know why this feminism movement is working at all? Because naturally, it is in the nature of the male folks to protect the female folks. In the classical ages, men do not lay a finger on women, it was infact punishable by law! I can assure you that I too have never laid a finger on any lady either,same as a large portion of the male folks. Not to mention the fact that I would be more inclined to do difficult things for females.

Now reverse the case,a lady can slap a man and instead we will tell the man to just forget it, what can he say? Nothing. A lady can maltreat a man and what do we say? Man up bro, it's their way. If a man starts complaining that their are many scholarships meant specifically for females what will we tell him? Mumu, go and fight with your fellow men, woman wrapper. Do you see the issues there? Do you think men are not being maltreated in MOST cases? The law is as a matter of fact more lenient towards female, a female has a better chance of escaping conviction for murder because she can claim it was in self defence, but look at Oscar Pistorius now. The man cries in court everyday but has it stopped them? No. Abeg, this feminism is absolute rubbish

DollyParton1:
The feminism movement had no outside support at its inception.
You gotta start from somewhere.

And when did it start? It started a long time ago. I can tell you that there are some feminine NGOs that have been around for a century plus! Do you think men do not complain? But the idea is that females are the lesser ones(well not really lesser but I can't think up a more appropriate word right now), if you complain you will be called a woman. Have you ever called a man a woman? That's the maximum insult, if I call you a man now won't you be offended? Somethings are written down already, you can't change em

Pyno30:
Where's the beauty?

I am still searching for the beauty o

DollyParton1:
This is when men in your profession need to stand up and fight, if they feel the system isn't fair to them.

But they do not have a ministry of men affairs that they can report to do they? Neither do they have an NGO fighting for them. You ladies do not know what you have already at all at all

realmindz:
when we ve ministry of women affairs, they still felt the male folks are trying to mock them for their weakness and hence we sud ve ministry of men affairs to balance the equation

that's eh! You can't ever satisfy a woman in anything! I know where your mind is going, that's not what I meant o

amacastel:
With ur quotes is obvious u don't knw wot gender equality is all about pls Google and read about gender equality then come back to apologize to other women for ur ignorance.
Thanks and bye

Equal rights isn't that what y'all want? The thing is a male and a female can NEVER HAVE EQUAL RIGHTS SINCE THEY DO NOT HAVE EQUAL RESPONSIBILITIES. In some aspects they have the upper hand, i mean you guys even have a ministry dedicated to you, and you still want more?! Won't that be cheating on the male folks now?

Chomzy19:
No it doesn't. It makes them superior to men.

that's funny. For every single successful female,there are 100 successful males! You were saying?

ecmb:
Some indomie children throwing insults at music greats like FATHER 2baba, dbang. And even psquare. There was a time when the name Majek Fashek was like a foreign national anthem

You are wise my brother. I still listen to that his song, can't remember the name now but it goes like this....Let the righteous, take over this wicked world

let all workers of iniquity be chased out of creaTion!


Chai! Gone are the days when we used to actually LEARN something from music, now Music is porn personified, naked girls, sing about sex, sing about money, sing about haters, nothing else. Abeg, let the righteous take over the earth

iswallker:
stoopidity is when otiti says we have our role to play. what role are you supposed to play; okay i get, the role of gracing the bed of his majesty and appearing at public functions beside him....

dey there otiti...hilary clinton is the the presumptive nominee of the democratic party in that same usa that you re spewing opata... , christine largarde has been the MD of the IMF since 2011...you are there following ooni around and not making sense..."you cant support the genger equality bill"...why not take time off your road shows and read a few pages of the said bill. she says "we cannot be equal to men" as if it's literally being equal.....

by the way..the Lebanese guy you ran away from his bed in dubai will some come looking for you...

Are you trying to be funny or stupid? I think it's the second case

Does this mean that if this bill is passed there will be nothing like Ladies first again

Me sef go gbadu that one Make I see another lady wey go tell me make i shift for line, we are all equal now abi? Make them fight

yoged:
and who says Ayozie Perez of Newcastle has a Nigerian root

I heard it not too long ago. Infact it was a commentator during a certain Newcastle game that said it, but I won't bet my head on it

TheGoodJoe:


Nigeria did not reject Alaba. He chose to play for Austria when they gave him the chance. He did not come for trials in Nigeria but sent an agent who told him we were not taking a foreign based player to the U17. That is not enough to dump Nigeria for Austria. He chose to play for Austria because he grew up there.

We wish him the best because he loves Nigeria and Nigerians. We would never reject a son who wants to play for us.

Thank you. I thought I was the only one who knew that it was lack of patience that took him there. He could have waited a little then join up with the U20 but he took the easy way out, just like of patience and advice

tbaba1234:
Alaba has playe only one game in the Euros... He has won everything to be won in world football. We do not have a left back on his level.

Alaba did not reject Nigeria. Nigeria rejected Alaba. He wanted to play for Nigeria, even traveled to Nigeria for trials... we rejected him for our overaged players.

I know I know, my point is that he wasn't patient. Iwobi didn't get invited immediately he declared for Nigeria. It requires patient. Otigba just declared recently so he has to be patient

tbaba1234:
This olympics already looks like a disaster... Siasia should have used the Korean tournament to do some blending... Does he want to pluck players that have never played for him at the last minute? Clubs will not release Success, Iheanacho, Ndidi, Iwobi during preseason.

What a shame!!

Clubs will not release these players prior to the final preparations stages. Preseasons for some clubs start in July, so they always want their players to come to the preaseason healthy, most times it's these clubs that prevent coaches from inviting these players for the first part of the preparation.

TheGoodJoe:

We are not begging them. We want those who wants to play for Nigeria. That is the key, they want to play for Nigeria. Just like Iwobi and Leon Balogun.

If Derek Osede had no chance and he wants to play for Nigeria, then he is welcomed. If Derek Osede felt he had a chance Spanish National team and he did not want to play for us, Good luck to him.

Hence he wants to play for us, I urge the NFF to give him a chance.

After Iwobi, Balogun got their chances to play for us, it will be an ill advice to tell our Foreign born and raised players not to declare allegiance if they want to play for us.

If they want to play Euros. They can go. If they want to wear the Super Eagles Jersey with pride, they can declare and wait for their chance.

Without declaring, people can not easily fight for them. Just as there is a cry for Otigba's call up. Just as Coach Siasia was questioned about Osede.

Thank you my brother. See people confuse these things. If you do not want to declare for Nigeria then go and rot. Alaba is wasting away at the Euros now, I watched the match and apart from a strike that hit the bar he was poor. Agbonlahor where is he now? Ross Barkley nko? He didn't even make it to the Euros. Then there is Ayozie Perez. See the thing about Nigeria is that once you get noticed you will be invited even when you are no longer in blistering form. Otigba is good, but I would say that we have only played two international games with thesame coach who is a local coach. I doubt if he had time to watch him play so he will get his chance