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do4luv14:
oya begin confess. Wetin man united do you nah ehn

I like the club sha... As a training opponent

isan:
all 4 EPL team make champions league round 16

somebody must be proud

They did so last season too but only two made it to the quarterfinal. Tottenham will pick up either Juventus or PSG and that will be that for them while Liverpool will probably get Real Madrid or Bayern and that's also that for them. I am not sure I need to tell anybody that Manchester United only managed to delay their flight home, as a Barca fan I hope we get them ahead of Lyon and even Schalke 04

edi287:
Nacho and Ahmed Musa are two of our best finishers.

Ahmed Musa? Let me just direct you to go back and watch that 2-2 draw against SA during Keshi's tenure, dude was missing open goals. Ahmed Musa is not even remotely clinical(but in the context of the Super Eagles he may get a mention, I mean who is he contesting against? Isaac Success with one EPL goal in a dozen games? Or Iheanacho who can't even score in the Efl again, probably waiting for when they will face Fleetwood and Peterborough again so he can score) and I would genuinely pick Ighalo and Mikel as better finishers.

edi287:
Funny enough ball playing is meant to his strength and he showed it at the game against Argentina. One of the reasons I preferred him to Ezenwa.

Both of them are just very very poor in that aspect. Against Libya both legs Uzoho was just hoofing balls away, hardly completed a single pass, then against SA Ezenwa just kept on kicking everything that came his way either out of touch or straight to one of the South African CBs. For me both are not even close to national team materials, not by any stretch of the imagination if we are being honest I mean Courtois does not in anyway have better reflexes than Navas or even Cillisen but he is starting for Madrid, I remember when we had our VC's cup and we had to take a young goalkeeper from our 400level, dude's reflexes were so good and I can bet all my money that his reflexes are better than most of the keepers we have in the world today, but his distribution and control of his back line was poor, these are the things that distinguish good GKs from top GKs. Like I said, both of the keepers are very very poor and if we have any opportunity we should consider improving the options we have.

BascoVanVeli:
I wasn't agreeing or disagreeing with anybody. I am just telling what I know. The father is the agent and we have seen players get hidden under benches for what their agents have said in the press. My main point is that if the boy starts playing he will be a great option to have given the experience he already has at a young age.

The problem here is because Komekn called his name then he has to be a poor player, many of the people commenting that he should not be invited have never even watched him before. I mean someone that has watched Iorfa before will wake up and say that Ajayi is better than a prime Iorfa? Seriously it is a joke.

komekn:
Actually he has in a cup game and he is a winger. And it's still early days. But what's your point ❓

Do we measure wingers by goal scored Please enlighten me. What's your assessment based on❓

What are the critical delivery points for a winger in your view ❓

Most wingers are not necessarily prolific, unless you are in Liverpool and Manchester city. How many goals did arguably the best winger in the EPL score last season Zaha, or Martial or Rashford or Welbeck, or maybe that's too high up, Adama Traore, (Wolves), Townsend at Palace, etc

See the comment that you quoted in the first place, please wasn't he talking about their goal return? Then you called him a joke and brought up wingers that scored 5 goals in a whole season, who exactly is the joke?

andrew444:
lol you are changing topic already because you got no clue

So a winger is not a forward ?wingers and strikers are forward

So someone playing from the flank is not a winger ?

I will not open that link because I know what I am saying ,I don't need to go to google like you to check things I already know

I no go talk much before dem go say I don start

No offense ba ?

Smiles

You probably think David Villa was a winger for Spain. Some strikers just like operating from the sides does not make them wingers, Marko is not a winger straight from Stoke City. In fact he plays more as an AmF than a winger

andrew444:
Richarlison is a winger and he played as a winger last season for watford,he didnt play as a striker last season,if he played as a striker he will get more than 5 epl goals, and he is impressive that why everton paid 40 for him.

You see you are changing it,i am going to give you list of impressive wingers,stop twisting it by saying wingers that are better than martial and rashford, Martial didnt play well last season.

Manuel lanzini played from the flank last season,with 5 goals and 6 assist.

Marko Arnautović played from the flank last season with and he scored 11 goals

Anthony Patrick Knockaert played from the flank with 8 goals

Ryad mahrez of Leicester last season nko?

I no go mention again.

Read your comment then read what Komekn typed earlier then you will apologise to him.

So the impressive wingers you have listed scored 5 goals in a season? What did Komekn say? He said the wingers are not judged by their goal returns, how is 5 goals in a season an exception to that?

This is Arnautovic's page on whoscored, dude is a true forward https://www.whoscored.com/Players/34693/Show/Marko-Arnautovic

Then you have also pointed out that if Richardlson played as a CF he would have scored more than 5 goals, the argument started when Komekn said the reason why Ojo has not scored any goal this season is because he is a winger and wingers do not score too much, so why call him a joke?

As a clinical psychologist let me advise you to actually read the comments before you reply, it actually helps a lot. No offence

andrew444:
You are a joke komekn,despite you love the U.K. You didn't take note of the premier league and you are always bias

Apart from zaha all the wingers are crap in the Epl last season you mentioned

You didn't even mention sane or sterling ,you are mentioning below average players ,so you think welbeck played well in Epl last season abi ? Did Adama traore not play in the championship last season ?

You didn't even mention player like mane ,richarlison

Do you want me to give you list of others players who are not Liverpool and mancity ?

No offence but the joke is on you. He clearly said if you are not playing for Manchester City or Liverpool, and then you are telling him to mention Mane? Is Mane playing for Fleetwood? Is Richarldson a winger predominantly? How did you manage to term Martial and Rashford 'trash'?

Give him a list of other wingers who are not in Liverpool or Man city that are better than Martial and Rashford, let's start there.

safarigirl:
the pitch is trash....you can't really play low balls with it

The commentator should go and rewatch this match, then assess his own woeful commentary that is competing with the pitch for "Embarrassment of the Day"

I watched from about 55'-70' and the Ugandans kept the ball on the ground, I do not think the pitch was that bad to be used as an excuse, however I didn't watc the first half so I can't effectively concluded.


Meanwhile the commentator was the worst hands down. I mean how can you say that Jamilu replaced came in when Echejile was just about to retire? Is Idowu a joke to him? How can you not know that Paderborn is in the second division? How can you not even know Echejile's name? What was Supersports thinking?

So the commentator too has noticed that what we have been playing since this second half is just useless long balls, make I no complain yet because I didn't watch the first half

OK I am.going to have to turn mute this match. He doesn't even know Echejile's name, is Paderborn in the third or second division

Like seriously why am I hearing 'give am card'

Chukwuemeka007:
Chukwueze just gave the best delivery from a corner I've seen in recent time by the SE. Almost lead to a goal

Didn't you see that corner kick that Omeruo should have scored against SA? So the person that delivered it is not a Nigerian?

komekn:
Opinion in football are time limited, with time they go up or down. Are proven and unproven nothing remains the same.

Absolutely correct, l am not one to jump on the first few games a player has made and shout Messi is born. SPECAIL HUGE TALENT has arrived. No my view is to watch, wait and see some consistent MOTM performances, some Wow moments. Over the course of the season. However if you keep scoring in consecutive games then your rapidly becoming amazing.


We had similar fireworks when l said Nwakali is not Outstanding Talent I notice my detractors have gone quite for now.

Not too long ago I termed Isaac Success "Wasteman" his disciplinary record was deplorable, totally unfocused he even put on weight.

But like I said time changes everything either for good or bad. Well this season he has woken up. But he has a long way to go, his goal record totally abysmal. Is he Wasteman, at this point in time not anymore. But is he now DD Drogba not at all.

I presume you are talking about Ryan Ssegnon. I watched him live for the first time when he was 16 playing for Fulham against Blackburn. I thought he was good but not outstanding. But then he was 16 playing regular first team football, that's quite remarkable I thought.

I then called my friend head of recruitment at Fulham and joked I bet you'll want £10 million for this kid as a joke. Well he said No, that's too cheap we want £25 million.

By the end of the season this teenager was putting in continous top level performances. I watched him score two goals against Newcastle. That summer Liverpool bid £30 million. Now for a teenager that's outstanding talent proven and now tested. But that's over two consistent seasons. What's shocking He is now still only 18 and has played near 100 professional first team games. That's OUTSTANDING in my opinion.

I do think he is struggling a bit now, but that may be reflection of his team thay have been quite poor almost permanent in the relegation Zone. Maybe this new manager might save thier season.

So what we have essentially is different STANDARDS for what we consider TOP OUTSTANDING TALENT.

My view is its almost near impossible to be outstanding huge talent from two games in La Liga.

I said near impossible, I think Rooney as a 17 year old is one of the few exceptions. I remember Yobo telling me about this small boy giving them big wahala in training. That l should watch out. But then history has proven him right.

The final word, would you then feel you can make comparison with Ssegnon and Chukwueze. One who has barely stated the race and one who has already gone round the track a few times and won.

I still haven't given a view on Chukwueze it's too early in the day IMO. Very Good player with lots of Promise is my actual view of him for now.

Fulham actually play open football, a striker should naturally have a good day in that team. Is he an outstanding talent? IMO, not by any stretch of the imagination,but is he a huge talent? Probably. At 0-0 I watched him miss a sitter after getting the beating of the expensive Van Dijk, his decision making is still faulty. It was that miss that brought my attention back to him because I remember you in particular said something about him being the best youngster in world football(in your opinion of course and that is perfectly fine), for the rest of the game he was average at best and for a former fullback like Bale, the defensive part of his game was suspect. Of course I deducted all these from the match I watched live in the stadium(but that is just ONE game) but because you have been watching him since he was 16, you have come to his defense and knowing fully well that you have a lot more knowledge than I do I think I have to believe that you saw something special in all of his matches that you have watched.

Now let us come to Samu's case, you have watched just one match, a 10 minute cameo nonetheless(similar to the the number of times I have watched Sessegnon) and you formed an opinion that he isn't so good, meanwhile Guillem(the primary Spanish pundit for Skysports if you watch LA Liga) who has probably watched all his games(a similar case to you and Sessegnon now) is telling you that he is a huge talent, do we still need to watch him over and over again to believe him? If you want me to believe that Sessegnon is an outstanding talent just because you said so and not because of his match that I watched then I think it is only fair that you also believe Guillem's assertions because he said so and forget that cameo he had on that day.

edi287:
You talking about sessegnon?

Precisely

chrisooblog:
I also agree that samuel is a huge talent but time will tell if that potential will turn out to be something lasting and real. I'm tipping samuel to achieve great things he's on the right trajectory

I believe this has been a huge misunderstanding. I for one will tag Samu a huge talent but will I put him in the same bracket as Mbappe? No way na, and they are almost of the same age which is what I genuinely believe Komekn is saying too but here once you oppose a particular set of people you become the enemy, even if you whistle then it means you must have whistled because you don't like so so and so player, it is annoying

komekn:
Apologies my response is not to you alone.

I actually think he has to be quite a good prospect to be getting into the first team of Villareal but HUGE TALENT I am not so sure. NOT JUST YET.

If I understand you correctly huge talent according to you means an outstanding talent? Something like Mbappe now right? Well if that is your definition of huge talent well I am not sure he is exactly up to that. But for me I consider even Dembele a huge talent and although he may be more talented than Samu I still believe that if Dembele falls into that huge talent category (together with someone like....this young fullback cum winger in Fulham) then Samu deserves to be in it or at least around the periphery there.

By the way Mbappe is an outstanding talent, not huge talent. Some might add Dembele to that outstanding talent category but there is no way Samu is not close to that Fulham guy(this is in respect to the match he played against Liverpool this season which I watched and live too, my first live EPL game by the way, although I have watched a few LA Liga games live). So this is just a matter of semantics, to you huge talent is the ultimate, to a lot of people here it is the second tier behind outstanding talent

kennysville:
i am not sure if you are addressing me but if you are, you will do well to choose ur words carefully. I want to believe you are civil enough, given the supposed wisdom u purport to have.

Seems like the new word in town is ''blinded''. Congrats dude!

How is that even an insult? Damn

wayodude:
Lets take the investigation in this direction...Since Rohr was appointed and played his first match in Sept 2016 (2yrs and 2 months ago)...

How many players has Rohr capped and what is the average age of these players?
Of the players he has capped or is about to cap, how many do we see as genuine long term national team players?
Is it not getting more obvious his philosophy is centered around fast counter attacking football rather than possession based football? With each game this is clearer and clearer to the trained eye, though i agree it may not be pretty viewing.

Our transition from defense to attack is improving all the time see our first goal at home against Cameroon, the goals at home against Algeria, against Iceland in the WC even against SA over the weekend. When teams sit back and dont attack meaning we need to unlock a packed defence his philosophy unravels and he doesnt come up with a plan B, we come here and shout we need a good Attacking Midfielder and Rohr cannot read games etc etc....some of which i agree with.

Remember a former legendary coach (of course he wasnt called a legendary coach then) who capped 28 yr old Muhammed Gambo of Kano Pillars and took him to the Confederations cup? He also capped near retiree and prodigal son Shola Ameobi and took him to the World Cup. This is the situation we used to have, dont forget.

I would have taken you up on this but the thread has been taken over by some very very funny people and I don't want to go down to their level. I will call you out again after that Uganda friendly then we can finish this particular argument, even if it means doing it privately. Good morning Sir

komekn:
Go back watch the Glasgow game and then comment. You want an argument when thier is nothing to argue about.

I watched the game from beginning to end live.

You really should not use sarcastic assumption to convey your arguments. I gave an opinion strictly on that match no other match.

So should I then say he played like Mbappe and Nyemar to satisfy the need for over hyping a player that so many people ascribe to here.

Not too long ago we had the same heated discussion about Sadiq Umar. I gave my opinion based on the few games l had watched him play.

However, with regards to Chukwueze l haven't proffered any opinion just yet, way too early at this time. What I have done is to question the basis for all these accolades, HUGE TALENT, etc. Without any prejudice.

But once again the emotive and unbalanced negative sentiment as well as vitriolic rhetoric directed my way tells us how delusional some people are here.

All because l asked a question ❓ it's great COMEDY LOL.

See the problem here. You are hanging on to this particular match against Glasgow rangers, that is all you have against him, but out of 6 games he has had at least four good games, that means he has been consistently good. See, those that are saying he is good after watching him play well in four games out of 6 are perfectly correct as opposed to you, leave this matter at least till the end of the season then you can come back and conclude. Besides I remember you once said a certain player needed a season to get used to the physicality of the Championship, but Samu has gotten used to the technicality of the Spanish League in less than a season

wayodude:
You do realise when one is credited as building a team it does not mean he 'discovered' all the players in the team right?

So what does it mean? The only other definition that comes to my mind is that he is building the team's philosophy then I will ask, do we have any philosophy now? So if the 'building' isn't exactly in terms of discovering new and better players then what is it about? Definitely not our football pattern

Icon4s:
Can you compare this main core with the Old main core that Westerhorf inherited from the 1980s?: Keshi, Okechukwu, Iroha and Eguavoen (which was our regular back 4) then Eziugo, Siasia, Yekini, not forgetting Peter Rufai, . Come to even think of the then post 80 inclusions in: Amokachi, Nwannu, Oliha, Finidi, Amuneke, Oliseh and Okocha. It is largely unfair to make comparisons between Westerhof's and Rohr's Teams. When Westrehof went to Zimbabwe how did he perform? Our U23 team even trashed his team 4-0 in Lagos.

And to my night. Not particularly pleasant as our Girls disgraced us. I woke up this morning and the memory of that lose just spoilt my mood.

I cannot even start to understand why the NFF sacked a good coach for another white.....let me not complete it. Why change something that is working? I started the match but then went to sleep at half time, it was that bad and the weather no even help matter that evening . If he fails to take us to the WC I think he should be sacked there and then, in fact even if he qualifies us for the WC he should still be sacked now that we have enough time to get a new coach....that is assuming his team does not improve

wayodude:
How many of those players in the last competitive game before Rohr started against South Africa? Also how many of those players from the last competitive fixture before Rohr will start against Uganda?

We had the youngest team in the world cup didn't we?

Rohr has built the team we have today and is still building.

You know this isn't a fair assessment. First of all Omeruo has over 50 caps I believe, but he didn't play that match. Siasia it was that got Ekong so that's out too, then we count Iheanacho, Iwobi, Musa and Ezenwa, that is 6 in total now. In short, way more credit should go to Manu Garba and Amuneke, it is not as if Rohr got these players from the sky.

Odunayaw:
Remember when I was specific?

Now tell me since Rohr came what games have been important. Qualifiers, Friendlies (with Europeans) and Tournament proper

If those are the games they are not 20.

I thought you were following our conversation, my apologies then. But still, I am not sure you should have used just three games to negate what I said.

Anyways if you count friendlies against Europeans then it is approximately 20 like I said. 6 games in the WC qualifiers(let us leave out the first match against Tanzania), then the friendlies against Poland, Serbia, England, Argentina and(I can't remember the last team), that is 4, plus 3 games in the WC proper, that's 13 plus the five we have played now so 18. You just countered my points without actual checking them

Odunayaw:
What 20? Stop pulling numbers from thin air!

preWC/WC (where we were very much a 2nd half team) we played 8 games in total and four of them was a 2nd half turn up (England,Poland, Iceland and Argentina) , that represents 50% no?

And how many games have we played after the world cup? 12 or 4?

This is not an excreting contest. How would anyone take you serious. Be better.

First of all, don't jump into what you don't understand. We are talking about Rohr's entire time in charge of the Eagles, haven't we played approximately 20 games under Rohr?

Then if you call that second half performance against Poland 'turning up' well.... That's your opinion sha. So I repeat, 3 games out of 20 games in this Rohr era is why you want me to call his team a second half team? I have been giving him credit, like the away match against Zambia and then Cameroon, good games (I won't count Argentina here because it was a friendly but a good game too) and then maybe the first leg against Algeria, if we perform close to that abs anybody calls for Rohr's head I will be the first to strike back.

wayodude:
I don't claim to know better generally speaking. What I do know alot about is the history of our super eagles having watched manager come manger go, player come player go for almost 3 decades and I can tell you now that what is happening today in regards to our team and manager is no different to what happend in the past and we are lucky we didn't change course when there was mounting fan pressure to do so. You are a good guy.

No no no, there were some things you mentioned that only insiders knew of then and I only got to know of them recently from people who were insiders then. And generally it is people who were insiders then that are supporting Rohr because they believe that he may be another Westerhof, I on the other hand sha believe that not every case is the same.

Thanks a lot though, you reminded me a lot of things that I didn't even know I could still remember, like that first half gra gra topic then

wayodude:
You just helped me firm up my point. Thanks

You said Rohr built this team. I am not understanding how exactly because Balogun, Ekong and Omeruo had over 20-25 caps combined before he came. Onazi? Mikel? Ogu? Ighalo? Simon Moses? VicMo? Musa? Shehu? Bar Shehu all the other guys had at least 10 caps already before he came in which means over 2 years of international football each. Rohr has been giving us the results but he didn't inherit 24 bags of cement

Odunayaw:
What's this? Need I remind of Pre-WC/WC proper games? What was the noise everywhere? Was it not how we are a second-half team?
What made you forget? Selective Amnesia?

SMH

When you are analysing you do that generally, now how many matches in total are you talking about here? I van only remember about three, England, Argentina and? Don't count Poland please. So two good second halves out of more than 20 will now justify the tag 'second half team'. Don't you have somewhere to be?

Samueltemi337:
We did not score any goal against iran.... the only goal that was disallowed was the goal victor moses scored against france

Read this brother
So do goalkeepers have too much protection these days? I think so on this evidence. Haghighi comes and misses to punch clear a corner, and from the resulting loose ball Ahmed Musa turns home from close range. The goal is ruled out though as the Iran keeper complained he was impeded by a Nigerian forward.

A VERY soft free-kick for Iran, as Ogenyi Onazi just now drills narrowly wide across goal

wayodude:
Finally, this talk about Rohr inheriting a good young team and taking them backwards makes me laugh. This was our team in the last competitive game before Rohr was appointed. From what you see there was that a good young team? Hahahaha

Rohr CREATED this team! Ready to debate this with whoever. Try me. Lol

Haba, this is not true at all. How many of the players that started against SA on Saturday made their debuts under Rohr? Just 2!

wayodude:
My friend since you admit you were a youngster then let me tell you now, Westerhof was rattled left and right EVEN in 1993. That was when we lost to ivory coast away after taking the lead. In 1993 in terms of selection people were still accusing him of not picking Wilfred Agbonivare in goal to replace Alloy Agu, which he eventually did.
They picked on him to include Richard Owubokiri as one of the strikers but he wouldn't budge and stuck to Yekini, Siasia and Amokachi!
The list of accusations against him was endless.

In terms of game management, they said his team's only played well in the first half and 'fell asleep' in the second half. Westerhof once responded saying 'thats not true, there are no beds on the pitch'

In almost every game under him we played better in the first half scoring most of our goals and were under the cosh in the second half. When we qualified for our first world cup, the final game away to Algeria which we needed a draw to qualify, we scored first in the first half (Finidi) and in the second half when Algeria came at us and scored and then camped in our half looking for a winner to eliminate us I couldn't breathe! That was under the much respected today Westerhof who then was treated like Rohr is now!

Trust me or ask your brothers.

And by the way we didn't always dominante possession even in that 94 AFCON against Egypt in the group stage and Zaire in the quarter final we had less possession.

I did point out that I can not remember which match exactly that was, but our dominance was the case 8 times out of 10.

I think I know about that first half syndrome, someone told me then that it was because of how we played in particular that the Europeans started defeating us with proper game planning. If I remember correctly most of the African teams that went to the world cup before 1990 were all North African teams and they played more like European, then Nigeria came with that first half dominant display which caught them off guard in that 94' world cup until Italy showed the whole world that you can use experience to defeat Africans.....I actually do not know how authentic this theory is but I always believed it.

However let me explain again. Rohr's in game management is not even average either, if we play well in the first half then fall asleep in the second half nobody will be asking for Rohr's head, the problem is we do not even play well at all. Back then we paraded some local players, I can argue that they were not as well conditioned as their foreign counterparts but let's not go there. The point here still remains that under Westerhof at least we played well......anyways Sir I have come to realise that some of the persons on nairaland are chieftains in Nigerian football and I have had a lot of personal conversations with them, so I will just leave it at 'you know better than I do'

Icon4s:
Firstly, A good number of the senior Westerhofs players were carried over form the 1980s. They had been part and parcel of the team and so you wouldn't expect issues when it came to integration.

Secondly, the New inclusions in the team were already high flying professionals that were already delivering at their respective clubs, Both locally and Foreign. Not like now that we have players who have just been newly promoted from the academies. And we hope will deliver.

The bottom line is we do not have the armory that we had then. There is a gulf in Class.

And on Rohr, We have all accepted that he is not much of a good tactician,but again remember The NFA then engaged Bonfere Jo as a tactician to Westerhoff. But as Earthquake2 rightly said, Rohr is a good Team Manager. Now, the question should be what will it cost the NFF to engage a tactician for the team?

And o Rohr learning, oga, every coach dey learn o.

our main core have been part of the SE for over 5 years na. Mikel, Onazi, Balogun, Ogu, Musa, Omeruo I can go on, they didn't just fly into the team. But let us just assume you are correct.

Nobody is asking for Barca, just have a good, well defined pattern of play, do not confuse what I am saying. Of course we cannot give what we do not have, but when we cannot even coordinate five passes together it is an issue, or because we have academy players they can no longer pass the ball? We cannot be dominant all the time but at least we can play well, our academy players are way better than SA's best players so what was that performance all about. Sha let's not argue this, Rohr still is the manager and I can't change that.

I hope your night was fine Sir