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Mujtahida:When I make reference to a good African coaches I always use Siasia. a cursory look at that 2008 Olympics shows everything that Africa needs to excel. First of all we do not need a foreign coach, there is a bone in the foot which Europeans call Os Magnum but here we have another name for it. So it is in every field, what they know from their cradle is way way different from the basics we learn here. so how do you expect a foreign coach to be able to make use of our own basics while teaching us? The few White men who have come close to learning this have flourished way more than expected with lesser talented teams. Let the truth be told as at 1994 we did not have that much talent in our squad, most were raw players who later developed into good players during the 1998 World Cup but we had a far better tournament in 1994, Why? Because the coach in 1994 was one of the few guys who knew how the basics of African football. He was one of the few that understood that Africans had egos so he tried as much as possible to let that flow. There was a conversation I had with Siasia a long time ago and he said that the coach would come to....say Okocha and tell him something like ' you know you are a way better dribbler than Amuneke, show what you have', he will go to Amuneke and tell him ' you know you can easily bully your way through defences unlike that tiny Okocha with brown hair, show what you got'. In these two statements he has managed to tap into each man's ego but under this he still maintains this kind of strict African parental care which the players then were used to. He didn't care about the formation that other teams are playing, he used the one that he knew would suit our ability to run from 0-90mins. Trust me if this 3-5-2 formation was available then he would have used it or even a 3-4-3 to fully utilise out ability to run and also give our flair players the opportunity to express themselves and if he had cracked that then, that match against Italy would have easily been a 4-0 scoreline never mind that 1-2 loss. If Westerhoff had been able to take Nigeria to another CAF he would have won it again because he had imbibed the African basics and he totally ignored the European style of football. Another coach who has seemingly imbibed this African basic is Harve Renard and that's why he can take any team now to the summit of African football, trust me if he had the talent we have in this present super eagles squad, making the semifinals would have been very very possible. Beside all that, only a few African coaches sef understand that we have our basics too which they need to consider when coaching African teams. Imagine person like Amuneke wan coach Nigeria like we are Barcelona. it may work for U17 players who do not have any club, no ego and no stand but when they start getting clubs and the ego starts setting in he will fail, forget the tactics. He may go to a European club and start performing wonders no problem but not with our national team. Keshi and Siasia are perfect examples of people that have been able to inculcate those African basics into their coaching. If only they could eliminate greed and pick players based on form and merit we wouldn't be needing any foreign coach at all. For a normal European social media life has nothing to do with your performance, for us Africans social media has led to a greater failure rates in school, so a foreign coach may come and lay absolutely no emphasis on social media life thinking it has no business with our performance but then it does. In their club sides were they know that they need to perform else they will get kicked out how many of them have the time to post these number of pictures that they have been posting? that's one part of the reasons. then we come down to tactics. What works for us? in the three world cups that we have performed well our wingers and SS have been very good, never mind the strikers themselves. Players like Babatunde and Osaze were the main reasons why we got to the round of 16 in 2014. But who are our wingers presently? Which of them can damage opponents? Victor Moses isn't even much of a threat to me and when you consider that we have like 4 or 5 other terrific wingers who could cause serious damage you start to wonder if the coach does not know what works for us. Is Iwobi a terrific winger? OK he is a good SS why still play him in that wing role? destroying two buildings at once. Emenike did not score a single goal at the World Cup and neither did Yakubu score from open play in 2010 and who was the main striker in 1998? many may recall the name because he is popular not because he did anything important in that tournament so this criticism of Ighalo is pointless to me, so long as he puts in a good shift for the team I am okay. Again the coach has the option of playing a 3-5-2 or 3-4-3 which would give us the ability to run and run and use that to our advantage but he decides to stick with a 4-2-3-1 formation? no need saying more. Finally team chemistry. You won't get that by playing together for two weeks, probably Hummels and Boateng will be the first choice CBs for Germany, two players that started playing together from U20 and are in the same club. Ramos and Pique, players who study each other every week since they play in the same league. I can assure you that Balogun has never even watched Ekongs matches for his club side never mind the fact that they have hardly played together for 6-7 times. The only semblance to team chemistry that we have is between Onazi and Mikel which is why till today Onazi performs better with Mikel no argument but that alone will not work since we now play with Mikel higher up the pitch. In football, national teammates actually influence the movement of players, De Gea wanted to go back to Madrid because of that, Neymar to PSG and some others. but presently how many clubs have more than one Nigerian team? I wouldn't blame anybody for that though. In conclusion I believe the right mixture of team chemistry, proper tactics and proper tactician/manager/team father would be enough for us to win the world cup |
safarigirl:no offence oh but if you train constantly for years even when you get to 70 you'd still be agile. Okocha is claiming that he is same age with his wife, that's funny in Nigeria |
andrew444: this man sef |
forgiveness:As in eh, they just dey believe that this MRI is something directly from God that cannot be argued |
tbaba1234:I can assure you that hardly any of the 2009 set was truly below 20 in fact. I agree that the 2013 set was considerably young but I can assure you that someone saying they are close to 25/26 wouldn't exactly be lying. Before you come up with 'their pictures from a few years back looks young-ish', I can assure you that most times poor diet and some other stuffs can lead to slow development which eventually gets exposed when their diets improve. Person for no believe say Onazi don pass his age in 2011 when he wasn't raking in big bucks |
tbaba1234:if I remember correctly MRI started in 2009 right? With Fortune Chukwudi's set? That should tell you everything you need to know about MRI testing in Sub-saharan Africa. In fact a well grounded Radiographer would tell you not to take that serious in Nigeria |
AIG07:Losing all your friendlies isn't the problem at all, it's losing your friendlies the way we did. Abysmal first periods and a slightly above average second periods which seems like outstanding periods because of how poor our first periods are. So you can't really compare that to....say before the 2014 WC when we outplayed France, did same to Scotland(a game where even Uchebo was unplayable, lol). However I am sure we can all agree that friendlies aren't the real deal, we just hope, in this case, that those friendlies aren't a precursor of what is to come which is why we are still supporting the team. Saturday isn't far |
tbaba1234:Greece 2010 comes to mind. Saturday isn't far though |
soetanoreoluwa: reporting for duty But medical team get any tactical input? |
lexyman:in that first half against Ghana they were imperiously good then in the second half they relaxed and lost. Then again I thought we were the ones saying that we shouldn't use friendlies to determine the strength of a team |
Icon4s:that is your believe, and that is quite frankly your business. |
Martz101:Rohr is using that to confuse our opponents so they will think corner kicks are our weak points |
Icon4s:Quick question, so because I said the team has been poor that means I am against the team? I didn't want to say anything not until people started saying that Rohr is using these losses to confuse our opponents,, like that is totally wrong. you may say that we will pick up when the tournament starts proper, that us absolutely true. Like when I was in medical school, we played three friendlies and lost all by a combined score of 9-2 but when the college cup started proper we were invincible so yes it happens. That's my point here, just get that clear. I totally believe in the team which is why I make out time to come here and discuss about the team |
Icon4s:it is one thing going against the coach's instruction( let's say the coach told you to be running inwards as the winger and you decide to be hugging the byline) and its another thing entirely for you to change your entire formation on your own. They definetly didn't just come up with the formation that day, they must have tried it in training on their own and decided it was the best. The fact that you do not know the difficulties that plagued that 98 team is...well either you are trying to deny the fact or it's just disappointing coming from you, no offence |
Certitude:I wasn't going to say anything not until I started reading this nonsensical assumption that we are losing just to fool the other teams, how does that make sense |
Icon4s:Discussion in 'Sports News' started by Chris Maduewesi, Apr 8, 2014. Views count: 5208 0 Former Super Eagles player Garba Lawal has revealed how they went against the coach's instruction at the France 1998 World Cup to play to their own preferred pattern against Spain at the tournament. Nigeria stunned bookmakers to record an impressive 3-2 victory over favourites,Spain in their first game at the tournament. Incidentally Lawal was on the scoresheet for Nigeria that day,scoring from a tight angle with Mutiu Adepoju heading in one of the goals,and a thunderous strike from Sunday Oliseh securing the win over Spain. Lawal said that then coach,Bora Milutinovic prepared them to play a 4-5-1 formation but they decided amongst them before their customary prayers not play to that tactics. "The coach wanted us to play 451 but we knew that if we did that, we would have serious problems against Spain if we played with one striker. So we the players decided to play 442," Lawal was quoted as saying on Kickoffnigeria.com "We changed the formation inside the field, before we prayed. And that was what worked for us. "We know our normal game so we all decided to play what normally works for us," he added. Lawal who was mainstay in the Eagles team during his active playing days however,advised players not to adopt that strategy. "It's not something we will encourage the players to do. But if you all feel that the system is not comfortable, you have to change because Like I told you, the talents got us that far in 1998, the problem now is that we don't have the talent so using that tournament as an example is inappropriate totally. Well if you still do not understand then OK |
goldfish80:The level of sentiments here is just....alarming. I for one would expect Icon4s of all people to know that in 1998 due to our bad performances the players took over, in fact we virtually didn't have a coach, the team picked itself and played the way they wanted. We won against Spain but we lost our last two matches 3-1 to Paraguay and 4-1 to Denmark. Considering the talent in that team we should have performed better if we had a coach. Now this team hardly possess the talent. It's bemusing that they will say that the team showed it's character against Argentina and the same set of people will say that friendly games don't matter. Czech were roundly humiliated by Australia but for some reason we(some) want to believe that the coach is hiding his preferred tactics, that's the most nonsensical deduction any sane human being could ever make. so the coach is making us lose these matches so we would be considered the underdogs? So what were we before? It makes no sense whatsoever. Back then the talk was that Mikel would make our team better but we have passed African opponents. We have gotten to a stage where all eleven players matter and the coach's ineptitude has been laid bare but some want to believe that he is losing just so that we will be considered underdogs? I don't know if I should call that sentiments or outright stupidity. I do support the SE though but at least everyone knows I have had my reservations towards Gernot Rohr and others are starting to see why(just like I had with Onazi) |
Icon4s:please I pray you remind me any good chance we had beside our goal. By the way, Sterling could have scored, Dier had a good header too. That's two chances for England off the top of my head, I am waiting |
Joebie:Finally someone else has seen it. not to mention that this was an English team that was already two goals up, a poor English team none the less. If we play that same second half again against Croatia we will have nothing to show for it. Everybody is hailing our second half performance as if it was a very good performance but then it wasn't, it was just better than the shitshow we produced in the first half. |
CLT123:I thought you were being serious. The one he started the bench? And came in with the match virtually won? I tire for this talk |
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AIG07:Quick question, why is VicMo at LWB? |
zuchyblink:OK after we changed that formation Sterling still got a chance which he would have scored bit he dived, Eric Dier I believe still had a good header that just missed, from the first half or not they would have still created chances and they created chances even after we switched for to 3-5-2 even more than we did, and we were losing the match. |
kellycute:the sarcasm was very very clear na, I mean he even wrote some words in capital letter just for reference and yet you didn't get the point? |
kellycute:I will just ask you a simple question. Iwobi scored after 47 mins, so from 47-90mins that would amount to 43 mins, so could you please tell me one other good chance we created during that period? This was a warm up match, the English coach would have changed formation but you are already two goals up what's the point? Besides I do hope you know that this isn't England's main tactics? They were using us to test four attacking players and we were just over ran at will |
kellycute:how many chances did we create after we switched formation? Apart from the goal, which was kinda lucky anyways, we hardly created any chance whatsoever. The English boys were two up, they took their feet off the gas and we couldn't even muster one good final chance, in fact they probably should have even made it 3-1. So all the talk about the 3-5-2 doing this or that to the English team is hogwash for me |
Martz101:I am going to guess you haven't played much football in your life so I will explain. As an AMF you are a striker yet you are a midfielder. AMF is quite different from SS and rightly so. When you are playing as the AMF you need to defend when the team is defending and still be the first one to move the attack, that requires a huge amount of energy. When Mikel was playing the DMF position during the AFCON in 2013 he was hardly ever subbed, recently in all the games he has played as an AMF he always gasses out, that should tell you how tasking that role is for him and without proper rest his effectiveness will diminish. Playing a standing four in a double pivot does not require much energy and that's why he can still perform there till now. The coach however needs to decide if he will be the standing DMF or the roaming DMF because I totally so not believe that Ndidi can be the standing DMF ever. For the record I have always told everybody that Etebo is good, always has been. And I have always said that Onazi is past his prime, I have always said that. so next time before you make that kinda reference, please check the moniker well |
Jarus:the coach needs to instruct him to do more. the simple fact if the matter is that Ighalo is probably our best bet, we haven't tried Simy enough and only God knows why but when compared with Nacho Ighalo is the better choice by a mile |
CLT123:I would ask the match then you'd probably tell me against Leeds united and I would say oh Leeds ![]() I asked in reference to the national team sha, that's our yardstick isn't it anymore? |
TheGoodJoe:So after all the movement against Algeria how many times did our midfielders feed him? None. he was anonymous. If jam body will give you goals against Cameroon then come and continue doing it, I mean what does Drogba do? |
TheGoodJoe:so after Nacho came on did we have a single bonafide chance? At least Ighalo was involved in the goal somehow |
TheGoodJoe:No offence Sir but you really do not have any point. I am very very sure that you are part of the 'national team form' committee so I ask again, has Nacho ever performed well as a lone striker in the GWG? The answer, if you are being sincere is a resounding NO. Has Ighalo performed well as a lone striker for us? Way way better than Nacho has ever managed. Against Algeria the midfielders couldn't find any pass for Nacho and you came and gave us a long speech about pressing, utterly useless speech it was no offence. Against South Africa the same thing happened and you came back and blamed the midfield, yet against Cameroon Ighalo barely got 4 good chances and scored, if he wasn't mobile how did the midfielder find him? Baba, it's 00:37, you probably had a hectic day no? |
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? which is very possible cos it's about who wins the battle of the midfield . i am optimistic that Eagles will have 6points or more at the end of the group stage .