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Joebie:
I"m not sure. Thought he is now a pastor in South Africa

A bonafide member of the 'football Africa' panel, he definetly knows more about African football and wields more power than you think

Joebie:
Why are we calling Idah into this, as if should the NFF ask Onuoha to make a switch Idah can overturn it. That's my point. He doesn't hold such influence

you really don't know who PeterSide Idah is do you?

Joebie:
Well it's not a sin to express your true feelings. I still maintain that the likes of Balogun etc today if they had a call up by the other country, they
won't turn it down and opt for Nigeria. Na because the guy talk he mind?

Iwobi was definetly going to get a call up, yet he opted to represent Nigeria. Victor Moses sure thing too, but they came down here, Moses even had more reason to feel English but no, he still opted to play for us. No need dwelling on 'buts and ifs', the bottomline is that no other player has ever said he doesn't feel nigerian before, all your assumptions that other foreign born players would have done same is, sorry to say, baseless

Joebie:
Where, not who.. The guy who played in South Africa. And all he can contribute now is tell Onuoha, I tried to get you last time, and you turned us down?
I'm sure he has something better to do. Like becoming a gk coach maybe.

He is a football analyst for Supersports, I am pretty sure that is not a bad thing. You trying to run down Peterside won't change the fact at all

Joebie:
Oh no. base on our current situation, we are still looking for full backs. you say Echiejile is good enough, and Shehu as well, good for you. Onuoha is expected to make a move to the EPL, and someone one says 30 years is too old. Let's call a spade a spade. We need defenders, and Rohr has been looking.

you do not even get the point. This is a player who said the feeling he has whilst watching game involving England is way....way deeper than what he feels when watching the SE(if he has ever watched them anyways). You said you don't feel Nigerian enough, but atleast when you watch the IAAF you cheer any nigerian athlete there, when the SE want to start a match you feel like you belong, that is the true definition of feeling nigerian and the young man said he doesn't have that in his blood, the conversation ends there really

do4luv14:
out of point,


Griezmann was a creative and attacking midfielder, hence the transition to wi,ger, and then strike is an easy game,

let me use a ,Nigeria to counter your point about GRIEZEMANN,

NDIDI he started out as a defender, a centre, and hence his transition to a front four, whose duty is same as a defender, I.e Shield the keeper and post,


so while I agreed MIKEL had not developed as many would want, but using GRIZEMANN to pin point MIKEL development is a no go arrea

so you are telling me that it would be easy for Zidane to convert to a winger and a striker because he is an attacking forward, the kind of points you people bring forth is just shocking.

Ramos and even Pepe have both played as DMFs, Busquets started off as a CB too, that is far from converting from a midfielder to an attacker. let me put it in simpler terms, the DMF functions more like a defender than a midfielder hence the D in DMF but what relationship does an AMF have with a CF?

Icon4s:
Did I ever say Obasi did not progress?

Go back to that my comment you quoted from and read it slowly.

What do you mean by "significantly" you want to compare the competition at youth level to that of senior level?

Why have Isaac Success, Iheanacho and Yahaya not been scoring the kind of goals they scored at junior levels? Would you also say they haven't developed 'SIGNIFICANTLY'?

you do understand that Obasi played for Schalke when Schalke used to frequent the champions league everyother season.

And Mikel's style of play hasn't changed one bit in a while, that's why most Chelsea fans will want him gone once a new toy is acquired not that he isn't good but most times he is rigid. Now let's compare that with a player that has actually developed.....Griezman. I remember Griezmann at the U20 world cup, he was more concerned with running the show in the midfield and he wasn't bad there, caused Nigeria all sorts of trouble, then he moved to Real Sociedad and became an outright winger, crossing the ball at every opportunity, running at defenders and beating them, two or even three of them at a time unlike the way he used to during the U20, then he went to Madrid and now he hardly crosses the ball, he has turned to a deadly goal poacher. If you watch his U20 clips( Lacazette and Kakuta were the best players for that France set) and his recent clips you will see just how well he has improved his game. Mikel on the hand has even regressed, he used to make 6-7 through passes during his U20 years now that is gone, he had an eye for goal now that has largely diminished(you can still see flashes of it like the goal against Uruguay and Algeria)so no Mikel hasn't developed much

wayodude:
Amateur viewers only watch TV and feel that is all that count

As you seem very generous with your use of the words amateur and amateurish in reference to other people's views, let's find our abit more about your association with the game.

I will start off this one. 1 have not played professionally but I have played and officiated for less well known clubs in England. I am involved in coaching kids in south west london during term time and I have written the odd column in football publications. I have held Trueblue membership at Chelsea for well over a decade and see 20+ games every season live mostly @ the East Stand Upper. I don't know everything but I know a fair bit about the game. Your turn.

Back to the debate at hand. I used Wilshere and Sturridge as examples of players who arguably benefitted MORE from PLAYING week in week out then playing peripheral roles at their parent club. I DID NOT even remotely suggest that both weren't excellent prospects or players before going out on loan.

The '90 minutes' games did not mould them into being the players they became. And again I did not say it did. What it did was give them the OPPORTUNITY and CONFIDENCE to do what they were always capable of and also a chance to MATURE by playing with the big boys instead of U21 football. By the way I had known about Wilshere before he signed for Arsenal. He was known all over Hertfordshire and Bedfordshire as a 'future England player' even at 11 years old.

In my opinion Owen Coyle did more in developing both of the above examples than Arsenal or Chelsea ever did. Another example is Lukaku, who would we say 'trained' him or 'moulded' him, Anderlecht? Chelsea? West Brom? Everton? Or maybe even Mourinho at Man Utd?

He has ALWAYS been an exceptional talent and attributing his development to any one manager or more to one than another would be fraud in my book. He scored tons of goals playing for West Brom as a 19 year old!

Like his false 9, Pep Guardiola is a false prophet and is scared to pieces of being found out he has gone hyper! In one year (1 YEAR!!!) at Manchester City he has signed:

Mendy - £50m
Stones - £50m
Walker - £45m
Sane - £43m
B Silva - £43m
Ederson - £34
Jesus - £27m
Danilo - £26m
Gundogan - 23m
Bravo - £16m
Nolito - £15m
Douglas Luis - £10m
M Moreno- £5m
G Rulli - £4m
Etc etc
Dude has squandered over £400m on what was already a world class team in just 12 months. I am amazed.

poor poor analysis.

First of all spending money does not mean winning titles, so when Pep wins titles don't come here and tell us that he bought the title, case study- Real Madrid. Years and years of Galacticos, only one league title and no champions league, then they started grooming their young academy players and guess what? B2B champions league titles. So that is a poor analogy really.

Second, Man City's backling before Pep came was calamity Hart, Kompany, Mangala, Clichy/Sagna, Kolarov. Apart from Kompany, who else is world class there? So which world class team did he inherit? Not to mention that these guys are above 30, almost all of them anyways. The midfield? A 32 year old Toure is the main guy in the midfield, not that he is bad, far from it but at his age, he should be an integral part yes but not the main focal point. Then you have Aguero in attack, I always said he isn't world class and Pep came and I guess he saw the light too, so yes Man City needed a complete overhaul

Humility017:
what will you say about my stance on osaze issue...then?
I don't like him also.....right?

Nope, you are giving serious reasons why he does not deserve to be there, you are not just saying you don't want to see a player named Osaze in the team, I have no issues with your own

Icon4s:
Abeg free her jare.

It is not an issue of like or dislike.

I am even shocked that someone will be calling for Osaze Odemwingie.

Ok this one isn't a case of pure hatred but when I criticise Nacho it means I hate him? Briliant logic Sir, double standards don't you think

safarigirl:
And your knowledge is so deep, that is why you aren't a coach?

Nigga, keep your arm-chair analysis to yourself and stop screaming down this thread. All your ranting can't invite Odemwingie even if he scores 30 goals in Indonesia.

Even Fanendo Adi is in a better position to get an invite than Odemwingie.

PS: CIV is not Nigeria and Osaze may be many things, but he's no Drogba

EOD

Simple, just say it plain and direct, you do not like Osaze and you don't want him in the Super Eagles. Don't come up with baseless reasons why he shouldn't be invited.

safarigirl:
Comoarin Mikel's U23 feature to Osaze in our World Cup team is pure folly on your part, but I guess that is something you're used to.

You went further to mention Drogba and Gyan, please, did they have long spells away from the team as much as Osaze?


Can you name five players in this current team that played with Osaze? Or you think they can just drop in any player at any time and he will blend? You even want to call him against Cameroon, oh the ridiculousness!

I'm sure you saw what adding random players did to the team against SA, there is such a thing as team cohesion, if it is disrupted, you can't just switch formation.

Osaze cannot join this team, not now and not next year, maybe in 2019, if we are rebuilding, we can mention him. Then again, by that time, we will be retiring some older players. He has enjoyed his time in 2014, if you have new names, fine, if not, save your arguments for 2019

challenge accepted .
1) Mikel
2) Onazi
3) Omeruo
4) Echejile
5) Victor Moses
Also let me throw in Ahmed Musa for emphasis, you are exposing your shallow knowledge but then again that's what you do all the time.

Drogba on his part even retired from the national team before he came back and yet they accepted him back

for the record I never said Osaze is going to the world cup after sitting at home during the qualifiers, maybe you should try to ' read to understand' instead of just jumping in because you hate a certain player.

how many random players were added in the match against SA? just one actually, So you now want to blame the addition of random players for our pitiful performance? absolutely ridiculous to say the least, So after almost a month of camping the coach was still unable to blend in the random players and you don't want to blame the coach? Try to read what you type before posting it

9jaStar:
In 1996, despite the presence of more senior and experienced players in the squad, Kanu kept the armband.

If I remember quite well, it was Uche Okechukwu that suggested that the armband should be given to him, the coach wanted to change. Now that's a special case, the players want him to be the captain so if Enyeama comes back and says 'Hey, Mikel keep the armband', then ofcourse no problem but naturally Enyeama takes it, however like I said, that's a secondary issue

9jaStar:
If Enyeama comes back, he won't definitely take the armband.
Mikel will keep it
You can take that to the bank!

have you ever seen a bonafide U23 captain in the Olympics? It's always left for the overaged players. When Mikel came there, they showed him maximum respect and gave him the armband, I don't see anything wrong with him doing likewise if Enyeama comes back. However this is a minor issue, let him come back first

safarigirl:
this your first paragraph is hilarious.

Imagine, Osaze wants to come for World Cup, so na every time another person work finish, Osaze go come slide in for World Cup abi? His work is to be the baboon that eats after monkey don work?

We cannot be carrying Osaze to chop bench in World Cup, because we know he won't even be using crutches to enter our first XI this time, so why will we waste bench space on an old leg?

If na even Martins you talk, I for try reason with you, but Osaze of all people says a lot of your judgment

I didn't want to reply but yeah well...

Mikel went to the recent U23 tourney without playing the qualifiers, what does that tell you? Meanwhile incase you have been under a rock since, I have been saying invite him for the next game against Cameroon, how is that the world cup? Except if you are thinking that we have already qualified which is pure arrogance so your first point is kinda blurred, clear that up.

So Gyan playing for Ghana has caused an earthquake? Is he not even older than Osaze? Drogba was playing for Civ when he was in the turkish league and more than 35 years old too, has that caused a tsunami in CIV? These are African teams that have been more succesful these past few years what does that tell you?

Humility017:
so you think...oshimen is dead weight?
you never seems to amaze me.....
just forget these oldies you mentioned...
I will prefer oshimen,Bonaventure,kalu,sadiq umar, nacho,Moses Simon,musa, dressier, aina,ebuehi,iwobi, etc to the best these oldies can offer....
only enyeama is considerable but for the sake of possible rift who gonna be the team's captain....he can stay back...
for Martins....forget it If any striker gonna be called from China....it will be ighalo

First if Enyeama comes back he will definetly take back the armband, there shouldn't be any rift there na, if your elder bro comes back from overseas, he will still take his own food before you in a communal gathering.

Presently Oshimen is dead weight, if we are losing 2-0 to Cameroon will you fancy Oshimen to salvage something? I will definetly fancy Osaze or Martins. You can't just invite all these players you mentioned for the game against Cameroon at the same time, they will all be integrated gradually, however we need proven goalscorers

TheGoodJoe:
As I said. Pique left because of pecking order. After Vidic and Ferdinand was a crap Evans before Pique. Despite Pique being better than Evans. The problem was not Ferdinand but a partial pecking order.

He had to leave to where he was sure he would get a fair and unbiased selection.

Pique moved to Old Trafford in 2004 from
Barca's renowned La Masia academy.
But he struggled for regular minutes as
Ferdinand and Vidic formed the most
dominant centre-back partnership in the
Premier League.
Pique eventually returned to Spain in 2008
where he has since won multiple major
honours.
Manchester United's
January transfer targets
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And the 28-year-old believes he was
"unlucky" to be behind two great
defenders.
He told the Telegraph: "When I was there
Ruud Van Nistelrooy, Cristiano Ronaldo,
Giggs, Scholes, Roy Keane. We won the
Champions League in 2008. We won the
league. It was a really, really good team.
"The centre-backs, Rio Ferdinand, Vidic. I
was really unlucky. They never got injured.
Then I left and then they started to get
injuries! This is football but I’m not really
worried.
Gerard Pique was at Manchester United
from 2004 to 2008
"It’s true that I was happy in Manchester
even though I didn’t play as much as I
wanted to.
"But the day I finally signed for Barcelona
and I came back it was ‘wow, the dream
comes true’.
"After this we won a lot of titles and other
dreams come true but the main one was
playing for the club that I had supported all
my life."
This is Pique himself talking, when did Evans make his debut for Manu? Pique was the third choice CB, he didn't get his chance and he left, in came Evans, he too didn't get his chance but he didn't want to leave, I don't know where you are getting your comments from

soetanoreoluwa:
So you believe there are some core areas coaches should not change?

And you also believe we should not ruin career of our players??

Now I could see you are somehow contradicting yourself...
In a case of Akpeyi... Do you remember what you tag him? That he doesn't worth to be a pro player...

It's well sha...


Modify... Wether we like it or not with little time Rohr have spent on his job... Nothing is changing on his list... Am 95% sure... We can take it to bank... Aside Mikel, Moses and maybe ighalo or ideye (Now in Olympiacous in Greece) will be recall...


Let give the coach the chance to do his job instead of clamouring for players why cant we talk about tactics and thing to do to stop Cameroon...

Wait, Akpeyi is now part of our core? God forbid bad thinh

TheGoodJoe:
Pique had more talents in his toe than Evans whole body. At that time, Ferdinand was top notch and I doubt Pique had a problem being a reserve to Ferdinand. The problem was Ferguson being Sentimental and putting Evans ahead of Pique which made Pique leave.

The analogy did not hold.

you are not getting the point, why did Pique leave Barca?

TheGoodJoe:
Poor analogy. Evans was pure refined crap. There was no way he could lace and out of form Ferdinand's boot. Evans was just there based on community slot.

Did a young Ferdinand need proper development before he blew? He was raw talent that Evans at a young age never had.

do you want me to give you other options? What happened to Pique at Barca?

Humility017:
come on bro...please let's leave osaze alone...he has retired since...
we need give young players chance to play good football and build the requisite confidence that is required....
presently Dennis Bonaventure is playing good football and likewise others...these young lads needs these cap than osaze....and others who already passed their prime

But Osaze said he is working towards playing at the World Cup and we have always known that Osaze performs better for Nigeria than his clubside, so if he is doing so well there, what do you think he will do for us?

For clarity purpose, I am clamouring for the recall of Enyeama, Osaze and Martins to replace Ezenwa, Oshimen and some other dead weight(there are many of them there anyways)

This I can agree with. Our coach has only been here for a short while, he should have a trusted core, there are some positions you just don't change for the fun of it. When Ferdinand became a relatively poor player, Fergie kept on playing him because of his partnership with Vidic(that cost Evans his proper development and game time) but that's how the defence is, you can be good individually but a bad partner will make you look like crap

Humility017:
ok....I just want the best to always be picked

Icon4s:
OK naaa let them invite Osaze. So that if Yakubu bangs in like 2 goals too we drop Osaze and invite the Yak. And when Martin's scores too we ignore the others in invite him.

No be so?

but Osaze hasn't scored 2 goals, he has scored 13!!! Wait, thirteen and not in one game but continously. And before you start saying it's the Indonesian league so how come nobody else is scoring at that rate there if it is so easy? If the league is whack then how come Essien's team(Ashley Cole is in the same team too) is losing since he can just pick up the ball, beat 10 players plus GK, sit on the ball then use his head and roll it in because the league is easy

Humility017:
I think he came in as a sub in one of their friendlies lately

I think not really, I have been following Nantes because of Awaziem, they have played 2 games that I followed, except maybe there is a third match they played then Idk. However Omeruo has been playing games too, trust me he is going to move out, there are many clubs looking for him just that he wants to stay match fit for Cameroon next two? weeks and I don't see anything wrong with that

Humility017:
and somebody will say here....that he should start ahead of awaziem...who is busy playing good football wit nantes..of France ligue 1.....
omeruo problem is greed likewise his agent...the debacle almost forbid Chelsea from signing him then...after his agent delayed his proposed loan move to the Dutch league then.....
same young man rather than opt for a permanent tranfer now to a moderate club that will guarantee him regular playtime and avail him the opportunity to develop and establish himself...
he fancy...constant loan spells just to remain a Chelsea player

the problem is that Awaziem himself isn't playing for Nantes either. Their 2(3?) friendly games to date he hasn't played so what's the point?

Then also, the match was played last season when Omeruo was starting matches back to back, so what is happening now isn't affecting what we said then

Humility017:
well said....there is so much sense in your comment...
but wait....encouraging someone does not mean that they should be allowed to mount the goal post...in all important qualifying match against Cameroon....
you get? the best in camp should man the post...all players should be given equal opportunities to impress and let the best be chosen.....
not because you wanna encourage a player it won't be dropped for repeated errors

that is the point exactly! We can support them, I used to support them anyways but in this case, supporting the player means giving him the nod to man the post against Cameroon, that is not possible hence the need to criticise the player. But if we have all agreed that Akpeyi should not come close then we can all joyfully wish him well with all his future endeavours. Same goes for a player like Awaziem

soetanoreoluwa:
Lol... It is Well...
But you know just ridicule Akpeyi by saying he didn't deserve to be a pro player... You don't need it bro... He is some else bread winner... And at least he deserve a little respect...

I could imagine when Peter rufai was making blunder at the tail of his career and someone should just come up with your statement on him...
How will he feel?

That's Akpeyi career... He work his ass out to be a pro player if he doesnot keep for Nigeria again nothing will happen, life goes on...


I always imagine the way we do come hard on player... We should remember they are human being like us... Even in our own professional.. Are we at our top game most times?


I read article on Aweziem ChAi.. The guy really felt bad about the bad comments people made about him... We should cut our players some slack and support them and if we can't we should leave them...

Joe Hart, Valdez, cech, even enyeama all had a bad day... Imagine with their bad day.. The coach should drop them and bring in another person...


Let support them and made them believe they can do it... That's how things work...

Bashing them won't work.. What's the probability that the new comer will perform well... ?

Just saying and my opinion...

the problem is Akpeyi hasn't had just one off day, he has been poor in almost all his games for the SE bar one. Against Algeria we all supported him, but we have better players so why are we keeping up with him?

Peter Rufai was towards the end of his career and Peter wasn't always a great GK anyways, but this guy is what? 28? Should be at his peak really and he is committing school boy errors. There are better GKs

Joebie:
These are the people who will start crying and looking for a scape goat when Cameroon beats us lol. Our arrogance will never cease. Truth is we are not soccer giants even in Africa. Hence we need to approach Cameroon with caution.

Bros chill, 70th minute is what I am waiting for so we will start singing he is a miracle working God.

The fact that there are some fans who believe that Akpeyi deserves to even be a professional footballer leaves me in total shock I didn't even know what to type, some are even saying that Cameroon may not even get a shot on target, the same Cameroon that hassled Germany will not hit our target, are we Spain?

The same people are saying that retired players are no longer enough, some didn't even retire but we retired them because we are building something new. Okocha made mention of what a total overhaul did to them after the 2002(?) nations cup yet we haven't learnt from that, we still believe that a 32 year old has nothing to bring, that a 19 year old warming the bench in a top club has a lot more to offer than a 32 year old banging in goals in another team. Some will even ridicule a top goalkeeper just to prove a point. Me I have decided that I won't talk much again until Rohr releases his list, then if he has listened to these guys I will also not tak again until the 70th minute of that game

IFEZINX1:
Hmmmm monitoring team abi? Oya explain y 310 with parallel C's didn't gt medicine nd Y the admission status for the first set of psp students dat got medicine was changed

point of information, nobody with 310 was not admitted, to prove it please provide the person's Jamb reg number.

Psp students were admitted via psp in the first list but when the second list came out Jamb admitted most of them into lower courses, I know of someone who was changed from Medicine to Med Rehab, someone else was changed from Med Rehab to MCB. When you are about to write your psp exams, you will be told that if Jamb admits you, no matter the course, psp admission will become secondary no matter your psp score. Lets say you had 362 in psp but you had 230 in Jamb and applied for Anatomy, if Jamb admits you, your 362 is gone

adamsanchez:
..pls bro..a person with 267 utme score..do u yhink he stand a chance 2 gt mbbs @ unizik?..he z frm benue state

well it is not possible to say right now but 267 should be getting either medicine or another course last year. Statistics show that this year people performed a lot better so that may change. However we hardly get up to 50 candidates from Benue so I think it may just work out. Jamb is going to send names of candidates with their score immediately the change of course is over so I will be in a better position to answer then

somehow:
Ajiboye, the best in our league? Where is Sunday of rivers utd? Do you know that we have goalkeepers the season that have kept clean sheets for almost 1O matches? Ajiboye is not even in the top 5 of clean sheets. Sunday rotimi is not there too but I would say we take him instead of akoeyi

Clean sheets does not equate to a GK's ability. In fact check their saves per game ratio then come back and confirm

Icon4s:
Firstly, Akpeyi went to same U20 with Mikel and not Ideye.

Secondly, Did you say the 2007 U20 was our worst ever? What happened to the U20s of 1995, 1997, 2001, and 2003? even 2009.
It means you don't know that the U20 set you have just criticized as the worst produced Brown Ideye, Elderson Echijele, Efe Ambrose late Adefemi Olubayo and Ikechukwu Ezenwa and you say they are the worst?

That 2007 U17 class was a fluke. All of them. From Ajiboye to Lukman to Chrisantus to Oseni and the rest of them.

Let us be fair in our criticism I beg you my people.

first of all, it was Vanzekin was the gk for Mikel's U20, not Akpeyi correct yourself. Ambrose ok but not Akpeyi please.

Out of all the people you mentioned, what did they achieve at U20 level?