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AntiChristian:
Just open a thread and tag me. I will explain this to you.
And I'm not holding Christians. Why tell me to leave them?

Abraham does not know Kaaba because it is not written in your Bible.....We believe it to be so as it is in our Books!

Islam itself is a scam.

Coca - cola killed him..
They should have given prescription on how to take their products.

But wait o.
Coke is not drug na?!

Coca cola has no case to answer.

Let the man face God's judgment..

50:50

Great teams, great coaches.

Anyways, I give to royal blues

My team.

Professional robber of God's house.

fergie001:
With Ole?

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Ole can steal anything o, just gba.

hupernikao:
Jacob is not a wrestler nor perform in WWW. We must read Bible with an understanding of language and time. That's Moses language.

Jacob was a man of prayer.

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Firstly, the events surrounding that verse has already showed you how he powered (wrestled) with man (Esau). Jacob never had a mind of physical fight all though. It was never a physical combat or fight but a supplication, persuasion and plead for mercy. What the new testament will call an act of prayer. This was how he overcame.


So, use this to explain the God and angel part.
Was there a wrestling? That wrestling is done in an act of prayer. That is how men of faith fought.

Paul said he fought a good fight, 2 Tim 4:7-8
and prevailed (crown)

Paul also describing how a believer should stand, he said we wrestle not against.... Ephes 6:10-16. He ended his description with praying. He must have been reading from this Jacob story, hence his usage of wrestle.

The fight of the man of faith is N the place of prayer not in might.

What did Jacob do.
A dejected, rejected man that deserve no mercy, hanged on in supplication until he got what he wanted. He plead for mercy he didn't deserve, he persevered, an assurance of trust in God to always show mercy even to the undeserved.

Hosea gave us a clearer emphasis.

Hosea 12
2The LORD hath also a controversy with Judah, and will punish Jacob according to his ways; according to his doings will he recompense him

3 He took his brother by the heel in the womb, and by his strength he had power with God:

4 Yea, he had power over the angel, and prevailed: he wept, and made supplication unto him: he found him in Bethel, and there he spake with us;

5 Even the Lord God of hosts; the Lord is his memorial.

The bolded is the explanation of what Moses wrote. He supplicated.

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In ancient world, supplication is a word that typical restlessness until you have what you desire. It's an act of a man who don't give up in a fight.


The word power there is from the Hebrew text sarah. It means to persevere. It's used only twice, with the second incidentally the Gen 32 story.


So. This is not a story of fighting an angel but holding unto the fact that even if he doesn't deserve to receive God's blessing through the angel, he pleaded, supplicated to win over God's mercy and by extension the angels verdict as the angel is just a messenger who will yield to the word of God.

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Today, man in impossible situation can and still wrestle with God to make the impossible possible because in this act is our trust in God's mighty power to show mercy and change situation. Remember the word of Mary, Angel and Jesus in the synoptic.

With God, All things are possible. Hence men with the will and determination of Jacob, can see God's mercy today even if undeserved.

Thanks brother. Exactly what I am telling Antichristian. He is adamant about his position as a Bible Teacher or unreasonable critic.
The funny thing is the Qur'an enjoins them to ask ' the people of the book' not to condemn or criticise. He displays abysmal ignorance like his progenitor, Ahmed Deedat and all.
I asked him simple question: just to give a verse that commands Muslims to condemn or criticise the Bible. He is vomiting venom.

AntiChristian:
During the night Jacob got up and took his two wives, his two maidservants, and his eleven sons, and crossed the ford of the Jabbok. He took them and sent them across the stream, along with all his possessions. So Jacob was left all alone, and there a man wrestled with him until daybreak. When the man saw that he could not overpower Jacob, he struck the socket of Jacob’s hip and dislocated it as they wrestled.
Then the man said, “Let me go, for it is daybreak.” But Jacob replied, “I will not let you go unless you bless me.” “What is your name?” the man asked. “Jacob,” he replied. Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, because you have struggled (FOUGHT) with God (Elohim) and with men, and you have prevailed." Genesis 32:22-32

Jacob fought one man and the man was Gods and men at the same time. Was it Jesus? or another Jesus man-God 100% man and 100% Elohim?

But who wrestles with even an angel and win not to talk of Gods (Elohim)?

NB: Elohim is Plural

MightySparrow, chigator2, Preciousgirl, SharonLoveth, Ammishaddai, sagenaija, Bishopkingsley

Anytime you post things like this, you display ignorance. Since you are not a Christian, and cannot think as one, your analysis doesn't hold water


MaxInDHouse has correctly answered you. Taking a verse or story and building sentiments around it doesn't make you a Bible expert.

I still insist: just give a verse that tells you as a Muslim to criticise or condemn the Bible.



If you are a true Muslim, stay where Qur'an puts you or join your people in Sambisa forest

You mean Tonto Dike employed ten, as in , ten pastors for advice to dump a she - man?


How many Pastors did she employed for this collapsing relationship?

Ẹsẹ ma na pà eniyan!


Good luck to AJ

The blues will win.

Life like that: Churchill dedicated his baby, Tonto dedicated another heartbreak..

This will not make for though, APC is a scam. This mistake will never be repeated Again.

AntiChristian:
I no hold you. You can Waka pass if you got no clue on the thread.

I no go reply you again sef until you face he thread.

Antichristian, leave Christians alone. I doubt if Abraham wakes up today, he would deny knowing Kaaba. For almost three thousand years or more of God's relating to Israel, Arabs were not in the radar. The earliest history of Arabs themselves, and origin are sourced from the Bible records.



Why would Allah wait till the time of Mohammad to rewrite already established history?
Islam and Mohammad are a fraud.



Leave Christians alone.

Beware of Greek, especially when he has a gift.

Tony4555:
Who is to be blamed in this instance
The girl?
The family?
The Enogie?






Kindly check my signature

Blame it on your signature

See the ugly thing in ugly business.

IgiveLadiesBj:
Guys please I need help urgently. I had sex with a girl and her menses started. She feigned ignorance that it just started. When I came I saw blood around the condom and at the base of my pennis...

Please what should I do or take please?


I'm in danger and I'm broke as Bleep now...
.. and I'm kinda homeless now

Cut the yeye thing off from the spot of blood and have your peace.

Real slay mama with hard work spreading her legs with dignity.
There is dignity in labour.


Bless you dear.

AntiChristian:
Your talk hold no water as we have brothers in the army fighting book haram, bandits, etc. Face the post bro and stop diverting!

I wish only your brothers in your Islam alone fighting the problem they created for all of us. The same thing motivating them to unleash terror on all, is motivating you to attack Christian doctrines.
How Christian doctrines are your headache is still not clear to me. Teach your Ummah your faith,. In the name of Allah, leave us alone.

Good thinking,

Official bandits loading.........

AntiChristian:
Yeah I agree! My God no dey divisible in to three and yet is one! Sorry!
Please where are my people killing in Lagos na Lasgidi I dey?

Join your people in Northeast, Mali, Sudan, Afghanistan, Iran, Libya, Bahrain, Syria.

God forbid, that we have daring fundamentalists in of Yoruba stock, it is then we would know the stuff people like you are made of.

My God is trinity, Hallelujah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ẹ pain you?

AntiChristian:
Na Qur'an we dey discuss here? Why is it that you lack answer to every topic only to ask your own question?

The authority on Islamic belief is the Quran. It forms the basis of your argument. If my God is ten, how is that your problem. But because your Qur'an asked you to kill and give no rest to Jews and Christians, that is why you are doing your bit on Nairaland. Others are in Sambisa forest , doing the assignment of killings. So let us rest please.

sagenaija:
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Btw, the versions of the Bible you are bringing up are not the original Hebrew.

Translators into the English language may not understand the particular meaning of certain Hebrew words. Nevertheless the ESSENCE of the passage remains UNAFFECTED: King Saul reigned over Israel.

If one translation had said that he reigned over Israel and another said he didn't your point could have been more significant. A translation is NOT the ORIGINAL.
Do you get it?

Abi ọ. His problem is not the Bible, but Christians. He doesn't have problems with the Bible but would want all Christians annihilated.

And, that is a lie: the church is marching on and gate of hell ( hellish Islam) will not prevail. Amen.

AntiChristian:
My concept of God is a Supreme being that is free of wants. He is one, indivisible into parts, without partners/sons in His rulership/dominion of anything....

Since Christian God has all you mentioned, it clearly shows we don't serve the same God. Allah =/= Yaweh.
Serve your Allah while I serve my own jehovah. Tell your people to stop killing those of us that don't share your own concept of godship.

AntiChristian:
Open your thread and ask your questions.
Where did I throw a chain on your neck for you to accept anything?

Wake up from your delusions!

You are talking about logic. I think thinking things out. What is your concept of godship?

AntiChristian:
1Samuel 13:1 - Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman

Evangelists, Pastors, Missionaries, and Bishops will not stop telling us that the Bible is the word of God. When we study the Bible carefully, we will discover that this is the greatest blasphemy of all time.

The book of 1Samuel 13:1 and its translation in versions of the Bible has caused a great embarrassment for Christian apologists:

1.NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION
Saul was thirty years old when he became king, and he reigned over Israel forty- two years.

2. ENGLISH STANDARD VERSION
Saul lived for one year and then became king, and when he had reigned for two years over Israel.

3. KING JAMES BIBLE
Saul reigned one year; and when he had reigned two years over Israel

4. NET BIBLE
Saul was [thirty] years old when he began to reign; he ruled over Israel for [forty] years.

5. NEW AMERICAN STANDARD BIBLE 1977
Saul was forty years old when he began to reign, and he reigned thirty-two years over Israel.

6. JPS TANAKH 1917
Saul was --years old when he began to reign; and two years he reigned over Israel.

7. AMERICAN STANDARD VERSION
Saul was forty years old when he began to reign; and when he had reigned two years over Israel

8. YOUNG'S LITERAL VERSION
A son of a year is Saul in his reigning, yea, two years he hath reigned over Israel

The bible is far from being the word of God and as David Cross puts it, ” Back when the bible was written, then edited, then rewritten, rewritten, then re-edited, then translated from dead languages, then re-translated, then edited, then rewritten, then given to kings for them to take their favorite parts, then rewritten, then re-rewritten, then translated again, then given to the pope for him to approve, then rewritten, then edited again, then re-re-re- re-rewritten again...all based on stories that were told orally 30 to 90 years after they happened, to people who did not how to write...so..."

Any seeker of truth should not find it difficult to disregard the bible being the complete word of God rather it is a book that contains the words of God, Historians, Poets, Kings, etc...

From the book, 'Truth for the Truth Seekers - (A total demystification of the Bible and Christianity (Revised Edition)
Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman

MightySparrow, chigator2, Preciousgirl, SharonLoveth, Ammishaddai, sagenaija, Bishopkingsley What does the Holy Spirit minister to you concerning this verse? I think you need to get this Book by this lovely brother!

Good point, with all the imperfections are editings, just give a verse of the Quran that tells you to criticise or that condemns the Bible.

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Tuchel said that? That settles it. He earns my respect.
Werner,and Ziyech wake up from slumber.

AntiChristian:
Yeah i am not a Christian and also not a scenarist as such! Why would anyone want to be a Christian? How do you think and reason when everything is just for you to accept in faith? Even your concept of Godship is dubious and we never reach your mode of worship.

I think you have nothing to type for or against the OP. You are already overwhelmed! Holy Spirit sef don leave you.

The concept of your Lordship should be logical!

What is your own concept for godship? If someone doesn't share your concept, is that a crime?