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samuk:
I honestly don't understand all the insults and emotional outbursts.

Splendid235:
I don't believe that guy.His reposte is an after thought.

To me,Tonto Dike is a poor girl looking for genuine but meeting wrong people,maybe because of her expectations.When she was crying and accusing the ex husband, nobody gave her a chance let alone believing her but later she was vindicated.

If Tonto was bad,she might have been exposed by her ex husband.

I pity her and pray she gets her own man.

TAO11:
The Doctor is NOT “Dr Samuel Johnson”. Double check that and revert back here to thank me. Lol.

What you tag as “historical dishonesty” is the result of your lack of knowledge regarding what constitutes a historical conclusion.

Samuel Johnson isn’t trained as a historian. As you’ve rightly put he was professionally trained to be head of church — Rev. His efforts on the Yorubas’s history can best make him in strict terms a “chronicler”, etc.

In other words, a person who goes around collecting accounts into writing. He is not trained to separate the wheat from the chaff, and even when he attempts that, he most likely gets it wrong.

As such, it is the job of the historians (which they have done brilliantly) to separate the wheat from the chaff and put forward a professional submission and conclusion.

In other words, all the talks of Idi — Biblical scrolls or Koranic parchments; Gogobir; Oranmiyan attempting to avenge his father in Mecca; etc. are all a recent fall out from the 1800s.

These are narratives which emerged in the 1800s, with their roots in the now debunked presumption of Sultan Bello that Yorubas are from Mecca.

As at the time when Sultan Bello was relating his story (and presumption) to Captain Clapperton in the North; Clapperton’s boys were receiving the original Yoruba account from the Yorubas in the South.

As such, historians have com to know that whatever S. Bello was relating was not gotten from the Yorubas themselves because the Yorubas of the same period (i.e. early 1800 as well) have something else to say as documented by the Lander brothers.

By the way, I have a copy of Sultan M. Bello’s writing as translated into English by Captain Clapperton whom he gave a copy to when Clapperton visited his court. So, I’m not sure where you got the idea from that no one has seen the account of Sultan Bello.

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All in all what you must go home with from everything so far is that even your almighty Oyibo standard agree that oral tradition is a valid source of historical evidence — of course provided that the job of scrutinizing the tradition is left to those trained to do it, viz. the professional historians.

In any case, your Oyinbos agree that oral tradition is a valid source of historical evidence. See here again for a gentle reminder.


Peace!
Cc: babaolofin

TAO11:
You mean humans do not normally fall from the sky, hence that must have been an exaggeration added at a later stage?? YES I believe so too.

In other words, it is left to a class of professionals, viz. historians to do their job of dislodging the aspects of the narrative which is exaggerated. Having aspects of their narrative exaggerated is in no way equivalent to them themselves being non-existent.

To dismiss a historical personage as non-existent for having aspects of his narrative exaggerated is just as absurd as holding that Alexander the Great does not exist because some aspects of his narrative is likewise exaggerated — e.g. that he has two horns on his head, or that he is the son of a god.

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In a similar vein, Prince Idubor (brother to Oba Esigie) could not possibly have truly uprooted palm trees with his bare hands. That must have been a later addition to the narrative. Did this prince exist or not?

samuk:
This is the reason anyone that is serious about our true history must always insist on documented eyewitness historical accounts.

I don't know why anyone will take this personal. Africans deserve to know their true history not fairytales.

TAO11:
(1) Oyinbo’s supervision is what makes history history. Interesting. Lol.

I’m not sure what you’ve been consulting, but you may refer here for what constitutes a historical evidence.

(2) You must have seen from your Oyinbo’s standard that oral account is an example of historical evidence.

So, even if the historical evidence comes simply from oral sources alone, they’re valid but to the extent that
trained experts (i.e. professional/academic historians NOT neighborhood story-tellers) have done their job of examining such accounts and have sifted the wheat from the chaff.

Put simply, there are professionals called “historians,” and their job (among several things they do) is to separate the history in the oral narrative from the myth therein.

So, we must be humble enough to allow them do their job — just as we must be humble enough to allow doctors do their job when the subject is medicine.

(3) My overall point to Bini ret@rds, however, is that if they must f0rge a non-existent standard as the basis for rejecting Oduduwa’s existence; they should do so with consistency and reject virtually all Benin kings as fairy tales.

The Europeans are supposed to have met those Benin kings, yet not single one of their names feature in the Europeans’ corpus of writings.

Shouldn’t that be taken more seriously than that of an Oduduwa who flourished way earlier than Europeans’ (or any writers’) visit?

Their standard is forged, ret@rded and non-existent in the first place anyways. It is all rooted in the sense of low self-esteem for the Binis.

That is, Oduduwa mUsT nOt exist and mUst nOt have had any relationship with the Binis, otherwise the only authentic history that may result from such would be one of an IFE overlord over and above Benin kingdom.

And of course no human being with a strong sense of low-self esteem will be able to easily stomach that.

Peace!
Cc: babaolofin

TAO11:
TWO REQUESTS:
(1) Name the eXpErTs who told you from 1824 that he (Oduduwa) is from the Middle-East.

(2) Also, quote and reference out where this eXpErT of 1824 told you that Oduduwa is from the Middle-East.

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Lest I forget, the account of Oduduwa’s origin per the Yoruba’s own ab-initio accounts have it, from 1990s to 2010 time immemorial that Oduduwa is a native of the hilly sections of Ife.

Moreover, the following names of supposed Bini obas did not appear anywhere in Benin for over 400 years of European written eyewitness historical accounts:

Eweka I
Uwuakhuahen
Henmihen
Ewedo
Oguola
Edoni
Udagbedo
Ohen
Egbeka
Orobiru
Uwaifiokun
Ewuare I
Ezoti
Olua
Ozolua
Esigie
Orhogbua
Ehengbuda
Ohuan
Ohenzae
Akenkpaye
Akengbedo
Ore-Oghene
Ewuakpe
Ozuere
Akenzua I
Eresoyen
Akengbuda
Obanosa
Ogbebo
Osemwende

These names only appeared in Benin history after the fall of Benin in 1897. These fairytale names have zero eyewitness to confirm their existence.

When will Bini ret@rds be consistent with their native ret@rdation, and conclude that these are mere fairy-tales made up from 1897?

Peace!

Cc: MightySparrow, babaolofin

pek:
You served 30 years ago is meaningless if you don't know what a corpse is!

TAO11:
(1) Europeans are believed to have visited the Nigeria coastal areas from around the 1470s/1480s.

(2) These Europeans documented virtually everything they observed/heard and details from meetings.

(3) These Europeans made occasional visits to Benin kingdom itself to apparently meet the Benin kings.

(4) Recent Benin stories tell us that the following have ruled Benin from the beginning till circa 1848:

Eweka I
Uwuakhuahen
Henmihen
Ewedo
Oguola
Edoni
Udagbedo
Ohen
Egbeka
Orobiru
Uwaifiokun
Ewuare I
Ezoti
Olua
Ozolua
Esigie
Orhogbua
Ehengbuda
Ohuan
Ohenzae
Akenkpaye
Akengbedo
Ore-Oghene
Ewuakpe
Ozuere
Akenzua I
Eresoyen
Akengbuda
Obanosa
Ogbebo
Osemwende

(5) Interestingly, none of these names feature as king of Benin in any writing of those Europeans.

(6) In fact, not even the red-highlighted names whom the Europeans are supposed to have met in person.

(7) Yet, from 1897 (and onward) some of these names began to feature in Benin stories/writings.

(8 ) Why didn’t the Europeans (who were on ground in Benin) document a thing on the above-listed names?

(9) A Benin m0r0n wants his fellow-morons to believe Oduduwa didn’t exist since his name isn’t written.

(10) Yet, the same Benin m0r0n (& his fellow morons) want to believe that the above-listed supposed Benin heroes existed — despite no single record of them.

(11) All these is despite that Oduduwa is supposed to have fluorished at a time when no European (or any writer) visited the Nigeria area.

(12) Also, all these is despite the fact that the above-listed names (the red-highlighted ones) are supposed to have flourished when Europeans visited them.

(13) IF Bini morons must exhibit natural ret@rdation, they should at least be ret@rded with consistency.

Peace!

@MightySparrow

pek:
Do you know what a corper is?

pek:
Do you know what a corpse is?

Janosky:
Luke 11:20 , Matthew 12:28, Genesis 1:2, holy spirit is God's finger.
Did you see "THE" attached to "ruach" spirit @ Hebrew lexicon of Genesis 1:2?
Why are you not honest?
It is holy spirit @ Genesis 1:2, Jesus explained it's finger of God @ Luke 11:20 , Matt12:28,
Is Jesus is LYING?
Do you know Scriptures more than Jesus?

[b]Spirit itself @ Romans 8:16,26 KJV before una change am.

Luke 7:35, Wisdom has many children?
Is Wisdom a person?
In your Bible sin seduces, is sin a person?
Death stings is death a person?

Greek word for "Helper" is masculine gender at John 14:16-17, holy spirit is personified as helper and as "guide" @ John 16:12-15.
The same manner Jesus personified Wisdom @luke 7:35.
Your Church microphone speaks? Is it a person?

Your phone speak? Is it a person?

Why do you jump up and not stay up?
Is a force at work?

In your Bible, Exodus 33:15-20, JEHOVAH had one on one conversation with Moses.
In your Bible, @ Matthew 16:13-17, Jesus had one on one conversation with Peter.

Bros, use your Bible can you show this forum, where holy spirit had one on one conversation with any believer?
From Genesis to Revelation, there is none.
Why ?

Psalms 110:1, Ephesians 1:20, Jesus sits at his Father's right hand.
Bros, who is sitting at God's left hand?
[/b]

aribisala0:
He might not be a liar it couuld be an error, slip of tongue or whatever. We must be objective and fair.

At any rate the further maths issue has nothing to do with this story of 2021

awitness41:
2459 AD or 2655 AD or 2695 AD.
There's a valid reason it could be any one of those three years.
See the Bible proof at the following link - you will NOT be disappointed.
Just put aside your reservations about it and read.

http://www.worldwarnings.com/

Amotolongbo:
South South people from Rivers and Edo states are also represented

anthonyuncle:
from where

garfield1:
Senator Andy uba is coming to occupy aguawka

anthonyuncle:
i perceive mammy water here

jesusjnr2020:
You're right.

That dedication is what distinguishes such women from the others.

Thanks for sharing.

God bless.

Offorgerald15:
Soon everything/everybody will be on strike in this country

MightySparrow:
Yeah: Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve; Eve and Ada


Hmmmmmmm