₦airaland Forum

ItShallPass:
You can rant for all I care. If you don't have spiritual discernment, you can be easily deceived. The first red flag of TB Joshua is his claim that he was born again from his mother's womb. Do yourself some favour and watch his activities from the 90s. You would get a little enlightened if you are a lover of truth.

The Bible says God anointed Jeremiah from his mother's womb! To be born again also means you are anointed!
The Bible says before you were born, I knew you and chose you.

If that is your problem, then go and question the Bible!

mannobi:
The biennial football show is about to start and teams from different countries are arriving in the host country dressed in unique outfits.
While the super eagles of Nigeria dress like a super rich price, little can be said of the Ghanaians who look like the abobaku. What's your take on this?

How shallow and empty can some people be?
The Ghanaians took their picture while they were still staying in their hotel in Ghana, without traveling.

But the Super Eagles took their picture while they were traveling, inside an aero plane, properly dressed for the trip!

And some people are so shallow and making comments to compare the two.
Must you compare the dresses of someone dressed up for travel outside the shores of his country, with someone staying at home and taking a casual picture?
The cup will not be won by the best dressed team!

Why are we Nigerians always interested in trying to make a point that we are better than someone else? Why this fake and useless obsession? Why always looking for a way to say we are better than this country or that country, especially Ghana?
This smacks of some inferiority complex!
After we make mouth, then we get to the field, and God help us if we meet them!

Beverlyjean:
So u think he would not have gotten the info of the interview?? Y did he die the same week...and remember, he wasn't sick....infact the congregation said he preached that night and he went to his chamber and they were expecting him back to continue, but he never did


i.... alot had to do abortions, there was a clinic there ... he also had a child ( a girl) through adultery , and he hated her cos the women that got pregnant for him refused to terminate it

ii... none ran away with pregnancy cos they were manipulated ...he put fear in them...they all said they dint know he was doing to them same thing he was doing to other young women ... that was when they started building courage

iii... they had contacted the BBC b4 his death and he knew it... the British women said they reported to the police when they got to the UK...but the UK police said they cudnt do anything since it wasn't under their jurisdiction....

iv.... not everyone will talk... some are still scared...u think the doctors will come and admit a crime ....

v..... it happened over time in a clinic the church

vi... answered that on item 3... go back and check... u know Nigerian police is a no go area

vii...answered that on item 3

viii... foreign police can't really do anything unless Nigerian police are ready to cooperate cos those crime was committed in Nigeria

ix...how would they... did Osama, Escoba , sadam and others do same to their daughters ... don't think like a naive person

x.... Reverend King also had those that supported him after his crime

You must be a very funny character to believe all these nonsense.

What are the names of the doctors/nurses that did the abortions and the dates? You cannot say abortion was done several times and refused to mention the actors and even dates

Even an ordinary average man that had an unwanted child outside wedlock could find a way to give the child away to some family members or orphanage (to take care of) if he does not want to have the child to live with him! Not to talk about a highly blessed man like TB Joshua.! How stupid can people be to believe all these foolish talk!

There is nothing like the UK police cannot do anything because the alleged crime (rape) did not happen under their jurisdiction. You tell that to the marines!
There is a global police network called the Interpol. Once a crime is committed and reported, the UK police would contact Interpol and Interpol would contact Nigeria Police for action. And Nigeria Police must cooperate, take action and investigate. Let them show us the record when they reported to the UK Police.
Stop using your pedestrian Nigerian mindset and ways of doing things to rub on other nations.

The BBC must have induced them with some financial or monetary gains for them to say these silly things. They must have been paid (or promised of possible payment) or relocation/residence in a foreign country somewhere else as asylum seekers.

But we all are not stupid to believe these lies!

mabea:
Do you need a sign board when you are always on TV and radio showing how you help the poor and displaying miracles? Do you know that many pastors give alms and help the needy and encourage others to do same without announcing it to the whole world in fact that's why you've not heard about them.

I found out by the Holy Spirit that the Emmanuel you hear them speak is actually pointing to him as the Emmanuel and that's the God with them. Isn't it weird when you hear such choruses repeatedly like in a cult.

You are deluded and totally confused.
Did TB Joshua force you or anyone to watch the miracles on his TV station?

Christians are encouraged to quote and recite every sentence or quotation in the Bible that inspires blessings from the scriptures. Emmanuel in the Bible means ''God with us''. It does not refer to TB Joshua. He never called himself Emmanuel. Any Christian any where in the world can recite it.
Any ''spirit'' that tells you to frown at the word ''Emmanuel'' is definitely a demonic one!

gidgiddy:
I'm not a big fan of BBC myself, but this is not about BBC or the maker of the documentary. This is about if the accusations by the women are fact or fiction

Three British white women, one Zimbabwean, a South African, a Philipino, an American and a Nigerian, all of whom once lived in TB Joshua's compound, gave graphic accounts of how TB Joshua sexually abused them

When 8 different women living across the world come together to accuse one man of sexual crimes, you have to step back and ask why?


It is either the women are telling the truth, or have been induced into lying. It becomes more intriguing when the daughter of the man being accused also comes out in the documentary to say that her father did what he was accused of. Not only her, but two boys who were his servants said the same.

You really believe that 8 women, two boys and TB Joshua's own daughter were all Induced to lie against the man?

Just refer to the questions that I asked. The answers would provide the solution to the missing link!
If someone is telling BBC that a man raped her, is BBC (and the sensible public) not supposed to ask which police station the rape was reported to?
Accusation of rape is a very serious issue. Which police station did they report the rape to? Is BBC more important than the police in rape matters? Why wait for years to report to the media (BCC), but you refuse to go to police station and report?
Or speaking with the BBC was meant to achieve a specific objective, which is to get back at SCOAN to destroy the reputation and legacy of the man!
Are we to believe every foolish story because it is aired by BBC?

gidgiddy:
The question is, why would BBC pay different women all over the world to lie against a man who is already dead? What do they stand to gain from that? Or did they do it for fun?

To discredit Africans and the belief systems of Africans, especially Christians.
Ask yourself, why would BBC support homosexuality, LGBTQ+ etc, but the same people are against polygamy?

Ginaz:
I had a vision last year and I saw TB joshua having the mark of the beast. that was exactly after he died, I told people but nobody believed me.

Your vision must be from the kingdom whose people are delivered every week in SCOAN

Ojoboak:
Very reliable. During the last AGM Q n A session, Wale said 'the revenue base of the company is 98% in $ and 2% in local currency' All things being equal the future is brighter as long as the hazy delisting issue is resolved by not delisting. February 5 or 6th is almost here.

I was asking for confirmation on the USD100m that Prophet said Oando loaned to the government

olisaEze:
The man practically lived his life in the open, so when did he have the time to rape & abuse so many without those living around him noticing??

Thank you my brother!

mabea:
You mean vilified in his death? Come on say something else. The thing is they are many such pastors in the world today especially in Nigeria. The man was evil and I've known this since 1997

What evil did the man do to you.
I have known since him too since 1997 and I can tell you, he was a man of God, and good to the people.
Did you come to your house and invite you to his church? There is no signboard of the church anywhere in Lagos
Did he force you to come to his church?
Did he speak against you and your religion or church?
Did he collect anything from you without paying back?

shaqhead:
You know nobody is buying this your convenient lie to save the battered "legacy" of TB Joshua that was just a SHAMAN! This is not a case of Jesus with false witnesses as some of you in your deviant inanity will want to equate Joshua to Jesus but a case of the woman caught in adultery. The witnesses were real as these are! See the watery response SCOAN gave. Nobody needs BBC to believe the Shaman TB Joshua was. The Chris Okotie's of this world, the Arome of this world have called him the shaman and sorcerer he is before now. Even Baba Adeboye said he wouldn't worship in his church cos he knows something that bags of rice, and fake humility can't cover! Acts 8:9-11 is a picture of TB Joshua and it baffles me how Christians will queue up to defend him with their lives. Bewitched?

So Okotie is your role model! Your holy spirit carrier?
People coming out to make allegations is not new. There were ''real'' witnesses against Jesus Christ!
There were religious elders, the Pharisees and Sadducees (like Adeboye, PFN, CAN etc), who denied and rejected Jesus Christ. But it does not matter because they are not God!
The prophets sent by God are not people who go about accusing people. Rather, they are the people who work miracles in power, and they are accused by other people!
All the Disciples of Jesus never accused anyone, but people accused them of various allegations. Even Stephen was accused (by your ''real'' witnesses) and stoned to death. John was also accused by the same ''real'' witnesses and beheaded.
The trials of Prophet TB Joshua (in life and in death) would not be the first or the last. As it was in the beginning, so it is, now and forever more!

ItShallPass:
The Bible says, 'By their fruits, ye shall know them ". We have been saying it for long that TB Joshua is a satanic agent.

What are your ''fruits''?
List them here and let's compare with what we all know about the fruits of TB Joshua!
Even Lord Jesus said it that people would accuse and do worse things to any prophet that follows His foot steps! Go on and do as your master, Judas and the devil did of old!

Beverlyjean:
He died during the making...infact...he died suddenly after he learnt that his ex disciples had given their first interview with BBC.....now do the maths

Were you in his mind to know when ''he learnt that his ex disciples had given their first interview with BBC''?
Did he discuss anything with you to tell you?

These are some questions that you should ponder on:
i. How come none of them got pregnant?
ii. If they could run away just like they have done now, how come none of them could run away with pregnancy after he allegedly raped them?
iii. How come they only knew about how to contact the BBC after he had died?
iv. Who did the alleged abortions for them? What are the names of the doctors or nurses?
v. On what date(s) were the alleged abortions performed?
vi. And which police station or law enforcement authorities in their countries did they report to when they returned to their respective countries?
vii. Why telling the BBC that TB Joshua raped them if they could not report same to the police and law enforcement agents in their countries?
viii. Did TB Joshua bribe all the police and law enforcement agents in all the countries (Nigeria, UK, S. Africa etc.)?
ix. How come none of the 3 daughters of TB Joshua accuse him of similar abuse or rape?
x. How come we have hundred and hundreds of other disciples and wise men who are praising and eulogizing him today?

gidgiddy:
I took my time yesterday to watch all three Episodes of the BBC documentary on late TB Joshua. A number on women of different races and nationalities, British, South African, Zimbabwean, American, Philippines and Nigerian, all came together to talk about TB Joshua

The one thing all these women had in common is that they once all moved from their respective countries to live in TB Joshua's Region's community, Synagogue Of All Nations, SOAN, and became part of his inner circle.

All the women gave horrific and graphic accounts of rape, underage sex, sexual abuse, physical and verbal abuse carried out on them by TB Joshua.

The South African woman claimed she had three abortions due to multiple rape by TB Joshua. The British women told how TB Joshua would send for them only to sexually molest them. The Zimbabwean gavee a story of how TB Joshua raped her as a virgin and underaged.

Even TB Joshua's own daughter came foward to tell how she confronted her father for multiple sexual molestation of women only for him to have her locked up for months and beaten daily.

I was also shocked at the Story of how the SOAN building collapsed, the lie that was told that an aircraft brought it down, and the coverup that followed as well as the 'fake miracles'

Even though TB Joshua is no longer here to defend himself, I believe these women. There is no smoke without fire. A group of women who live in different countries of the world cannot give similar accounts of sexual abuse by one man without it having an element of truth

I believe that TB Joshua was a rapist, sexual predator and a sociopath. I believe TB Joshua used religion to cover up the evil within himself. He operated as a man of God in the light, but was a devil in the dark.

I also believe that there are many well known men of God who are currently doing what TB Joshua did.

Do you know the kind of people working at BBC and what BBC as an organizations doe and promotes?
They attack anything about religion coming from Africa (especially Christianity), but they are same people that support and encourage things like LGBTQ, homosexuality etc. (under the disguise of human rights).
There are people with questionable character and dubious integrity working at the BBC, so do not just swallow whatever comes from the station.
There were so many lies said against TB Joshua in the past, like using juju and demonic powers, burying pregnant women at the altar, using marine powers, performing fake miracles etc
All of a sudden, the accusers have stopped talking about him using juju and demonic powers, or performing fake miracles because they know the public would not accept that because everybody now watches the miracles during live church services on television.
The next lie which they think the public would believe (and difficult to disproof without medical forensics) is o accuse him of sexual abuse!
There are some questions that people should ponder on:
i. How come none of them go pregnant?
ii. If they could run away just like they have done now, how come none of them could run away with pregnancy after he allegedly raped them?
iii. How come they only knew about how to contact the BBC after he had died?
iv. Who did the alleged abortions for them? What are the names of the doctors or nurses?
v. On what date(s) were the alleged abortions performed?
vi. And which police station or law enforcement authorities in their countries did they report to when they returned to their respective countries?
vii. Why telling the BBC that TB Joshua raped them if they could not report same to the police and law enforcement agents in their countries?
viii. Did TB Joshua bribe all the police and law enforcement agents in all the countries (Nigeria, UK, S. Africa etc.)?
ix. How come none of the 3 daughters of TB Joshua accuse him of similar abuse or rape?

Chinjo2:
What baffles me the most is the rate at which people are defending TB Joshua. These people talking are his known disciples and Children.

BBC is not like a Nigerian station that is afraid to air such documentary for fear of being sanctioned by NBC.

We all know what some pastors and Reverend fathers do to young girls that are placed under their tutilages but we still pretend as if they never happened.

TB Joshual was accused by one of his daughters while he was still alive nothing happened. Even Apostle Chibuzor was accused by a girl that was under his roof, people said it is a lie. Why are we pretending as if we don't know what is happening in our local churches.

All those supporting evil, I pray your own daughters become victims of randy pastors. Say Amen.

Do you know the kind of people working at BBC and what BBC as an organization does and promotes?
They attack anything about religion coming from Africa (especially Christianity), but they are same people that support and encourage things like LGBTQ, homosexuality etc. (under the disguise of human rights).
There are people with questionable character and dubious integrity working at the BBC, so do not just swallow whatever comes from the station.
There were so many lies said against TB Joshua in the past, like using juju and demonic powers, burying pregnant women at the altar, using marine powers, performing fake miracles etc
All of a sudden, the accusers have stopped talking about him using juju and demonic powers, or performing fake miracles because they know the public would not accept that because everybody now watches the miracles during live church services on television.
The next lie which they think the public would believe (and difficult to disproof without medical forensics) is o accuse him of sexual abuse!
There are some questions that people should ponder on:
i. How come none of them go pregnant?
ii. If they could run away just like they have done now, how come none of them could run away with pregnancy after he allegedly raped them?
iii. How come they only knew about how to contact the BBC after he had died?
iv. Who did the alleged abortions for them? What are the name of the doctors or nurses?
v. On what date(s) were the abortions performed?
vi. And which police station or law enforcement authorities in their countries did they report to when they returned to their respective countries?
vii. Why telling the BBC that TB Joshua raped them if they could not report same to the police and law enforcement agents in their countries?
viii. Did TB Joshua bribe all the police and law enforcement agents in all the countries (Nigeria, UK, S. Africa etc.)?

WolfOfWalstreet:
I’m without a job at the moment, a friend recommended a security 30k job with free food once a day . Pls would you advise I go for the job?

It s not bad idea to start something that can earn you some income
Do your cost-benefit analysis and decide.
How financially pressed are you? Do you have your own accommodation? How is your daily feeding? What about transport costs?
What time of the day is the security job? Will you have access/time to do other things e.g. some reading or going to submit applications etc. ?

ProphetUtuocha:
Oando has already come out of the wood. Many folks don't realize that Oando is dollar heavy and even recently loaned 100m to the country.

How reliable is this info? And what are the implications because Tinubu and Wale are related parties?
Wale should be careful because these are the kind of transactions that created problems for Oando in the first place.

ProphetUtuocha:
Oando has already come out of the wood. Many folks don't realize that Oando is dollar heavy and even recently loaned 100m to the country.

Hi Prophet, we do not doubt the dollar-heaviness of Oando. That is why many investors are still buying Oando shares.
The main problem is the seeming confusion and the lack of certainty / transparency as regards the delisting dilemma.
If not for the delisting, I would have doubled my holdings Oando, even though I still keep the millions of units I have!

megawealth01:
Will Oando benefit?

Prophet abeg help us find out

The mega-wealthy man, who are the ''us''?
Remember you have denied the Oando brotherhood and jumped ship to Eternal Oil.
This ''Prophet'' is for Oando ''loyalists'' only!
Go back and rejoin the Oando club for you to get the confirmation from our ''Prophet''

Fgo31:
I didn't see any resemblance between the AJoke and TB. Let God judge the living and the death.

Don't mind them.
That Ajoke is just dark in complexion; no facial resemblance with TB Joshua.
The other 3 girls are the ones that resemble him facilaly, although their is light like their mum's.

Karnice600:
Shut the fck up abeg.
What you don’t know is beyond you.
Learn how to use the word propaganda, or you don’t know it’s true meaning.

The BBC you’re talking about has correspondents who are Nigerians in Nigeria.
I’ve come across different reports from members of that assembly even while TB was alive, on terrible encounters they’ve had. Experiences they’ve had with his portrait as portals for manipulations in their homes, sexscapades…

Founding fathers of PFN and CAN knew what you dunces don’t. That’s why SCOAN was never recognized by these as part of the Body of Christ in Nigeria.
Just because he started the charity outreach thing to buy shallow minds, una fall flat.
That’s how Tinubu is buying you fools..,cos you guys just fall for anything, especially when it benefits your stomachs.

This shit isn’t about BBC. It’s about how we get accustomed to lies that we embrace it as a way of life, so long as few things about it appeal to our sentiments and greed. Tinubu is one example.., emerging by lies and wanting to build the nation on platform of lies.
Stop accusing BBC for saying what CAN and PFN didn’t want to say all these years. Some fools are already seeing this as racism.

Idiots.

You too shut the Bleep dirty mouth up!
Which useless correspondents does BBC have that would make them use a one-sided story as an ''investigation''?
How come BBC is claiming the miracles are fake when no single person that was healed in the videos was interviewed to verify whether the healings were true or false?
How come BBC is making reference to comments by people about the collapse of the church building when none of those people has any competence or expertise in construction or engineering? Is the BBC so stupid not to know that the case is still in court and their comments could jeopardize the case?
The SCOAN organized several crusades and healing sessions in the UK where many people were healed and delivered. Why didn't the BBC contact and interview those people who live close to them in the UK, but rather decided to interview disgruntled elements about healings that did not involve or concern them?

Buffon!

Kobojunkie:
It is possibly what happened. Imagine a 57-year-old man who was not reported sick up and died, after an evening sermon, and not even a peep about what killed him. An autopsy was promised but the next we heard, weeks later news that his burial was set, and nothing else. Not even a word breath to his many international followers regarding the cause of death. In this day and age, that is as suspicious as hell.

You want autopsy to achieve what? To wake him up or what? Are you his parents or head of the family?
Christians who lived and gave their lives to God don't glory in things like that!
That was a man that lived and tormented the kingdom of satan; they would not use his death to glorify people like you who want autopsy to say what you want to hear!

Golan007:
The problem I have with the average African is that we don't believe in research.

The reason the whites and Asians do well is because they test and document everything.

They brought about the science of post-mortem when somebody passes away.

Africans believe once an issue is over it should be let to rest, by so doing, there is never any improvement and a repetition of past mistakes/criminal acts.

Shame.

In other words, you believe so much in one-sided investigation by the BBC? An investigation that does not seek the opinion of the other party but goes ahead to spew garbage as report?

Ferdinandu:
Is anyone doubting his generosity, whether it is out of pure heart or a guise to disguise the real him is a story for another day . They are saying that TB Joshua is a Manipulator, an exploiter a paedophile, a sexual predator, a fake miracle vendor, an opportunist, a Modern day slave holder, a fake Man of God. If you have evidence to disprove all these tell us. Don't come and tell us how he made all your village people millionaires. Even Hitler, Saddam, Abacha, etc have people who sees them as their god

Tell the people that accuse TB Joshua to bring out the evidence! Period!
He who alleges must provide the proof!. It is not the other way round.
How would you feel, if I accuse you of being a rapist and then people ask you to bring the evidence that you are not a rapist? What would you say or do to prove that you are not a rapist?

We4all:
But that's the idea. Pretend to be good to the outside world and unleash the demon in you when you are not being watched.

That's what your corrupted evil mind would say when all what you expect to hear about the man is news of evil things!

Courz:
That's what SCOAN should do. If truly all what the eyewitnesses who have worked for TB Joshua for years said were False, they should sue BBC and sue all the eyewitnesses. Finish! As they are sueing them, they must prepare to come with hard undeniable evidence to prove that everything they said are lies. A Guilty person will never try it because more witnesses will come forward and expose him or her

He who alleges must prove! It is not the other way round.
The people who alleged that they were raped and abused should rather go ahead and sue, if they have the evidence.
You cannot twist the principle and ask that the person denying or defending must be the one to provide evidence.
If I call you a thief or rapist, I am the one to bring the evidence, not the other way round!

nairalee:
I hate it when people use sentiments to dismiss serious investigations. If your daughter is among the victims that either died or were raped will u dismiss the report with your left hand?

What do you mean by ''serious investigations"?
Which ''serious investigations'' would only hear from one side, without any evidence, without hearing from the other side, and then jump to conclusions?
Nowadays, everybody has access to the media (internet, TV etc), so people cannot just swallow any stupid news like we used to do in the past. The whole world followed the SCOAN services live, so people know better.
How come BBC is saying that the miracles are fake without even interviewing any of the people who were prayed for in the video?
How come BCC is referring and reporting what the people said about the building collapse when they have no competence or expertise in construction or engineering? Why did BBC make prejudicial comments on a matter that is still in court? That is reckless and unprofessional

id4sho:
And you think BBC will give up. More gbas gbos incoming days.

I read the nonsense statement from the church spokesman. You will know the kind of people there.

I repeat, ikotun people don't attend SCOAN, e g why. Someone that south African government banned because of citizens death in his church premises. I blame Lagos state government for not dealing with him

You are a demonic liar!
Ikotun people do attend the church. In fact, many people that were living far away from SCOAN had to relocate to Ikotun/Isolo area so that they could attend the church more regularly.
The SA government did not ban SCOAN. The church has organized revival and retreats in SA after the unfortunate collapse of the church guest house. One of such retreats was even organized recently after the death of TB Joshua.

Your lies show that you don't mean well.

Draggun:
Weak response, not convincing enough. I watched the documentary and I can swear he did everything he was accused of. If you haven't watched it, do so and you will see things for yourself.

You can swear about something you did not witness?
This shows how low and empty your thinking faculty is!

wirinet:
These allegations are not new. In fact these allegations have been in the media for close to 10 years. Paul Agomoh who was his number 2 man and started the ministry with him made these allegations when the fell out about 8 years ago. Bisola also came out to speak publicly about how she was raped and how T.B. Joshua raped three little sisters along with other girls in 2016 or thereabout, TB Joshua sheep came for her head then. So it's a surprise that his sheep are behaving as if they just heard these allegations.

Sheep will always be sheep.

Agomoh did not start any ministry with TB Joshua.! Stop talking about things that you don't know.

Agomoh was washing plates in the canteen (as a worker in the church canten) before TB Joshua had pity on him and uplifted him and asked him to go to Ghana branch as pastor
Agomoh was mislead by a woman because he wanted to hijack the Ghana branch.

After that episode, many of the Wisemen have been fully established after TB Joshua blessed and granted them leave to establish their own ministry!

ReacherSaidNoth:
A very poor defense. How can you say the accusers are unknown to the church when there's literally video evidence of their time there?

They said some of the accusers are not known to the church.

Thundafireseun:
I remembered clearly in 2014 when synagogue collapsed…

The church came out and announced that only 100 people were killed… South African government then came out and countered that claim saying that South Africans alone that were killed were more than 84 people…talk more about other countries including Nigerians

Immediately TB Joshua quickly increased the death rate to about 150 people…

If the church wasn’t covering up something why did they lie in the first instance??

TB Joshua was banned from performing his magical tricks ever in SA until he died

Meanwhile Righteousness2 what do you have to say about this??

You seem to be a shallow thinker and a liar! SCOAN did not hide or reduce the number of people that died. The 100 was the number of those that were conformed to be dead at a time or date.
When disasters happen, the number of casualty is announced as at a particular time, and then updated periodically.
That is why different newspapers can even give different figures, until the final figure is confirmed. It happens at Mecca when people die in Hajj; it happens when people die at stadiums or when there is plane crash. Each organization or newspaper announces what has been confirmed at a time, until the final figure is finally agreed on.

SCOAN has held revival and outreaches in SA after the collapse of the building? Stop talking in ignorance; you liar!