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Csami:
OK I see u hating on the avengers which is good cos I found out that the movie had nothing to offer except the collection of Hollywood superstars in it and that why it was a huge box office success.
As for age of boredom like u called it, I think I'll also agree with u on that. When a director directs the first and it becomes successful, he goes for the sequel for example transformers, blade, ironman, divergent, maze runner and the rest of its kind. But when it goes south like the last airbender u hear no one talking of sequel.
What I'm saying is, if marvel keep on with their nonsense, they will run out of ideas and superheroes. And god forbid me watching maze runner 2. I rather use that time and ask ma Ex to come back.

lol are u saying insurgent isn't as good as divergent?

sage1000:
Lol, always considered Robin to be a representation of bruce mental issues and obsessive psychosis. He puts children in danger because that is the only way he thinks he can help them or rather to help himself, he would have wanted have someone train him as a child and put him in a position to help find his parents killers so he sees himself in the children and tries to give them the opportunity he wanted. One of the results of mental illness cause a normal person who loses his parents has a child goes to therapy, tries to move on, the person does not dress like a bat and go around beating up criminals. personally I blame his lack of parental presence in his life as a kid, when your only parental figure is your servant you are bound to have issues.

Basically what I'm saying is that Batman is in fact a mad man and should be locked up in Arkham and the only reason he isn't is because he is rich and has fancy toys otherwise he is no different from Joker and Riddler albeit with a different psychosis. If you don't believe me consider this, the first robin ran away from him, he got the second one killed and immediately took in another one after which he brought his own son into the family business.

they should do away with it or rather make robin a young guy. But am assuring you, the m0vie would be crap with r0bin. Bale said this himself by asking n0lan n0t to include robin in tdkr. 0nly green arrow fits having a side kick, roy harper is better.

kay9:
If you are going to talk of his speed in TDKR, then you need to remember that he's SUPPOSED to be slow by then. And I'm not talking of comic book iterations. I take the character the way it is presented, and in TDKR he's supposed to be tired and retired.

bro forget that stuff, bale was slow fr0m start to finish. It got disturbing in tdkr al0ng with the croaky cancer like voice. "WHERE'S THE TRIGGER" I so wished bale used a voice changer like oliver quee.

TonySpike:
Has anyone here watched the DC direct-to-video cartoon, Son of Batman, and it's sequel, Batman vs Robin? The latest storyline in the animated Batman universe is that the League of Assassin trained Batman only son, who became the new Robin. The new Robin beat the hell out of BBatman in Batman vs Robin. I hope it is produced as a movie later on...lol

that is one script i pray they d0n't adapt. D0n't you see the crap? Too unrealistic and unentertaining. And the dccu is going for a universe steamed in realism. How can a child be robin? How can a father put a child of 8 or 10 in danger? How can a child beat the father who's trained? Robin is the character i hate m0st in batman c0mics and adaptati0ns cos of how its portrayed. Any film with batman and robin are crappy. Name any0ne and i thank God n0lan never used robin in the tdk verse. I hate that character.

kay9:
divergent, insurgent, whats that last one to be called again? detergent...?
Never really liked them "young teen" movies, lack real substance IMO. I made the mistake of reading the books back when folks were comparing hunger games, the maze, and divergent... Was a real bad idea.

really liked divergent though. 3rd one is allegiant.

kay9:
If you are going to talk of his speed in TDKR, then you need to remember that he's SUPPOSED to be slow by then. And I'm not talking of comic book iterations. I take the character the way it is presented, and in TDKR he's supposed to be tired and retired.

and thats what we d0n't want for the DCCU or in new batman m0viez. G0ne are the days when bats was slow. Even flash would m0ck bale's bateman for being the slowest guy on earth.

TonySpike:
I can bet it that the Age of Ultron's storyline seem to be lifted from the movie, transcendence. Has anyone here watched transcendence and understood its storyline?

0nly heard of the film n0t seen it. L0oks interesting fr0m the name and actorz in it, how is it? Has any0ne seen insurgent?

Raalsalghul:
Am also worried about CA:CW. Just like D.C is being criticized for copying marvel by rushing Justice League. We must confess Marvel also copied CA:CWS from D.C's BvS. Now I know people are going to say the Russo's are good directors because of their work on CA:TWS but so was Joss Whedon until he made Avengers: Age of Boredom. Am concerned for that movie and also the fact that they are directing Avengers: Infinity Wars 1 and 2. Hope the fatigue doesn't get to them as it did to Joss Whedon.

am telling you. That m0vie has spidey, b widow, stark, cap, falc0n, winter guy, cap marvel, agent of shield characterz, fury, hill, this and that. Well its the only film am l0oking forward to. As 4 infinity war, than0s? I d0n't kn0w than0s perhapz if his two elder brothers darkseid and apocalypse were to show first and deal with the justice league and x men, i might like him.

kay9:
This is why I don't like making comparisons between super heroes - they are products of the imaginations of more than one author/writer/artist/movie director, thus their attributes NEVER stay the same. Good example: in "Justice League: War", Superman beat Batman AND Green Lantern together, as in, the kind of "knacking" he gave both of them is best described as "dont be stup!d"! But from what i can glean from the BvS trailer, apparently Bats is going be able to hold his own here.

Personally though (and this is just my opinion), I think Bale's Batman was wee bit slow - the fight sequences left a bit to desired. The one fight in the trilogy that gets a true pass-mark is the BatsVsBane in the sewers. Well, Mr. Synder's job on MoS rates pretty good on fights, so I hope BvS will be ok.

EDIT: Wait, I take it back - Bale's Batman wasn't slow - i still remember how fast he took down the guys at the docks in Batman Begins. Then in TDK, he didn't really have much fight scenes (apart from the ending sequence that I couldn't make head or tail out of). So no, he wasn't really slow, it was the fight sequences that just seemed, i dunno, cluttered up, like it was glossed over.

bale's batman was slow. Way too slow. Batman begins scene was cos the guys weren't prepared. Watch the fight with bane, the thugs in tdkr.

Raalsalghul:
Winter Soldier had goofs, but it far more better than Avengers: Powerlessness of Ultron. TWS is my best marvel film. Though IMO they messed up at the end. But those action scenes on the ship and on the bridge were breath-taking.

yea likewise. There were less hum0rs and they came at the right time. Like when fury was attacked in his car, the only thing n0t damaged in it was the a.c very funny and the elevator scene hum0r plus the quote "if they are sh0oting at you, they are bad" would love if bats was tough as cap and a genius. That way he'll bring s0mething to the justice league unlike black widow. Still d0n't kn0w her job on the avengers other than l0ok sexy and being a w0man.

kay9:
This is why I don't like making comparisons between super heroes - they are products of the imaginations of more than one author/writer/artist/movie director, thus their attributes NEVER stay the same. Good example: in "Justice League: War", Superman beat Batman AND Green Lantern together, as in, the kind of "knacking" he gave both of them is best described as "dont be stup!d"! But from what i can glean from the BvS trailer, apparently Bats is going be able to hold his own here.

Personally though (and this is just my opinion), I think Bale's Batman was wee bit slow - the fight sequences left a bit to desired. The one fight in the trilogy that gets a true pass-mark is the BatsVsBane in the sewers. Well, Mr. Synder's job on MoS rates pretty good on fights, so I hope BvS will be ok.

EDIT: Wait, I take it back - Bale's Batman wasn't slow - i still remember how fast he took down the guys at the docks in Batman Begins. Then in TDK, he didn't really have much fight scenes (apart from the ending sequence that I couldn't make head or tail out of). So no, he wasn't really slow, it was the fight sequences that just seemed, i dunno, cluttered up, like it was glossed over.

yea i kn0w but glad you got my point.

Raalsalghul:
This is what am talking about. Apart from CA:TWS, Ironman 1, GOTG, Thor 1, CA:TFA, the rest marvel movies are forgettable and over-rated. Now Avengers: Age of Sleeptron has been added to that list with another wasted marvel villain whom I had high hopes for. I trust some marvel fans to quote my comment. You even have time and money to go watch it in the cinemas. Well I will download it illegally from kickass torrents and watch it anytime I want to put my self to sleep. Quote me if you want.

bro we all kn0w the age of ultr0n or ultr0n's age. Ultr0n's still a Child. <pun intended>

Raalsalghul:
I too have high hopes for BvS; my fear is Zach Snyder's story telling. Snyder knows how to shoot visual action scenes, but he is not a good story teller. MOS was good but it could have been better if not for the loopholes in the plot.

that you can blame the writer of m0s, goyer but the writer 4 dawn of J is an award winner for Argo so there are s0me differences. If it were goyer i'll be m0re than w0rried.

Raalsalghul:
True, especially that last fight with bane. I was disappointed. Even I, if trained well could beat bale's batman. Let's face it Chris Nolan is not that good with action and fight scenes, but he is a good story teller.

n0w s0me0ne gets my point. N0lan is a g0od st0ry teller quite alright but in fight choreography he sucks. Thats what i was trying to point out b4 joining the debate of bane, bats and caps.

TonySpike:
Batman was trained in the art of deadly combat by Ra's Al ghul himself. So technically, Batman is supposed to be an assassin in his fighting style and tactical skills. I don't see why he should compared with Captain America who is just an ordinary soldier with super strength.

thats what am saying. N0t only ra's taught him, he went through illusi0nists, all kinds of tricks and c0mbat. He can't be mind c0ntrolled that easily. But in tdk batman fought like one who was taught by a police officer.

sage1000:
Dude, have u seen cap fight in comics? Yes he relies more on brute strength but that because he is usually stronger than his opponents. His reflexes and speed are off the chart.
In a purely physical fight with batman he would put him down hard. The only advantage batman has is all his fancy bullshit gadgets. There is also a diff btw intellectual smart (stark, spidey etc) and tactical smart ( Cap, Bruce etc). There is a reason he leads the avengers in the comics, he has a good head for tactics.

batman is intellectually and tactically smart. N0t trying to argue power levels but cap aint intellectual. Fact. S0me0ne even had to make him a shield. Cap for instance is like yakubu gow0n or late ojukwu in his youth injected with a super soldier serum that makes him str0ng, fast, agile but n0t on par with isaac newt0n in mental fitness. What did stark tell cap in avengers 1? Everything special about steve was brought fr0m a bottle to reference cap was just ordinary n0t intellectual but batman aint ordinary. Imagyn having studied under bruce lee, jackie chan, jet li, einstein, newt0n, espi0nage agents, police detectives, thiefs, terrorists, hypn0tists, illusi0nists and tell me you'll be ordinary.

Csami:
Let's agree to disagree



So which batman character is fun for u? George clooney?

n0ne the ideal batman hasn't being depicted in live acti0n only in cart0ons. D0n't kn0w why we arguing cap and bats. Lets agree the bale batman was stiff and dull and we need the genius batman. If bale bats were to be in justice league, w0n't u w0nder why clark would need him? That one has no brains. No odd fighting skills. By saying batman is human and should be treatd like one is saying children shouldn't be scared of the night. Batman is intellectually and tactically smart. If n0t who makes him his weap0ns? Alfred? No fox? No, in the c0mics fox only runs wayne enterprise. Bats is like stark, sherlock holmes and james b0nd altogether. Cap is only a soldier twice a n0rmal soldier. Fact.

TonySpike:
My expectation of BvS is high because Sender is a director with style. His first superhero movie, The Watchmen, was a classic and very realistic. I think he'll make a good movie from the Dawn of Justice movie. I believe DC will push for a more realistic versions of their characters in their movie line-up.

I watched Avengers 2 over the weekend and it was wacky. I regretted wasting my money to watch the movie on 3D iMax. I believe Marvel is running out of movie ideas. They should improve on their shallow storylines which are only bolstered on silly humours. When i watched TDK rises, i could almost feel tears on my eyes. It was a classic, always will be.

but the tdk batman character is dull and boring.

Csami:
First off, you can't compare batman to captain because going by what you wrote, captain is *2 smarter than Bruce u get! And if Bruce can take bane head on, what about cap that's smarter, stronger and skillful?

cap isn't smarter than batman. Read what i said, peak human physical c0nditi0n n0t mental c0nditi0n. Cap is a super soldier and military guy n0where is it stated that he is a genius. Bruce banner is a genius and intellectual, so is stark. Saying cos husein bolt is an olympic level athlete means he's smarter than sherlock holmes or einstein is wr0ng. Bat is smart, intellectual and a genius but cap is a military leader with above human physical n0t mental. In the film, why didn't cap get wiser or red skull get wiser after taking the serum? Why do they need stark, arnim zola to do the science work being smarter than they are? Spidey is smarter than cap. Not saying cap aint smart but n0t on par with bats. In alm0st every fight, cap uses strength but batman uses brains. If cap and bane were to fight, cap wouldn't kn0w how bane gets str0ng unless t0ny, mr. Fantastic or banner were to tell him. He would keep fighting, why cos he's a soldier.

jjk24:
It seem all yall don't knw much bou batman, yall do knw any one can become a super hero if you had a super power, buh it takes one mofo to choose to become one without any powers, batman iq has been said to bein on par with Einsteins, he is extremely versed in all forms of martial art... And has been tagged the world greatest detective!, even superman doesn't even like making batman angry, yall watched batman dark knight returns the animated movie? Or read the comic? Batman knows his enemys well enof and he always come in prepared.. This guy stands toe to toe with Gods and he his feared enof, infact he had a plan on how to stop every one in the justice league, and yall think captain americas got an upper hand when it comes to a one on one fight?. Buh well its gnna b a marval and dc kinda argument soon enof , if its not one already.

thats what am emphasizing on. The n0lan batman was too dull and boring. Left to only bale's batman, the m0vie wouldn't have being that g0od. Imagyn tdk without j0ker, g0rd0n and michael caine's alfred. Batman itself needs to be awes0me b4 its supporting casts.

sage1000:
Okay first of all minemrys you are seriously underestimating captain America, he is way more than twice a peak human, even in the movies. Check cap 1, just after they gave him the serum.
Moviewise Cap will smash DKR batman and bane no issue. In the comics, Cap's physicals rate higher than both batman and bane. Check their respective feats. Also considering the avengers draws considerably from the Ultimate universe, the captain America there is a beast of another level

am n0t underestimating caps or overestimating batman or bane. But bane is of the same strength as ir0n man. Cap is on par with aquaman. By the way which bane are u guys talking about? The one on drugs or n0lan's bane?

Csami:
Seriously? Bane take on captain? Seriously? Superhuman captain will be defeated by bane? Seriously? WTF! See I'm not a big fan of Captain, in fact I don't like him at all but bane defeating him? Seriously I don't see that happening anyway.

lets start with which bane are u talking about. The tdkr bane or the c0mic bo0k bane? C0mic b0ok bane could lift a bus thats if we are to weigh his strength. Captain is below spiderman in strength if you d0n't kn0w. Cap's only ability is that he's twice the strength of a heavy weight lifter, 2 times faster than husein bolt, 2 times athletic than c r0naldo. In other sense 2 times of peak human physical c0nditi0n n0t superhuman. Batman is peak human physical c0nditi0n thats where cap is top. Am n0t saying bane could beat cap but in terms of strength, ven0m bane or bane on ven0m is str0nger. That one is superhuman. In winter soldier if it was bane fighting those terr0rist at the start of the film, they'll be flying around or in c0ma. Am n0t saying cap isn't str0ng but his strength is twice that of an olympic performer. Google it.

Csami:
Guardians of the galaxy was just there. Rocket was actually the one that made the movie likeable for me

i d0n't kn0w why people rate the film higher than winter soldier.

Csami:
Hold it right there mister! Batman isn't as skillful like captain u know why? Cos batman is human with no extra serum or add advantage. He's just an intelligent guy trying to do right by wearing a cape and jumping on rooftops which is deadly cos one day he might miss a step and die!

its a c0mplete lie.
that is becos u dnt knw the real batman. Batman is very skillful in the sense that he kn0ws various forms of c0mbat and martial arts and could speak arrays of various languages. He's being training since his youth. First by alfred and others. The bale bats could barely fight james b0nd or jas0n bourne. The batman in the c0mics is partially on the same level as captain america only without super strength. He can defeat bane who's str0nger than cap. His martial arts level is on par with cap. But in the bale universe, he's hardly tough. Should he and oliver queen of arrow meet, ollie would beat him. The stunts in the tdk verse were meh, any true batman fan would ackn0wlege it. Go watch batman asault on arkham cart0on and see how batman fights.

jjk24:
most people won't agree with you though , the reviews were great, and people actually found it interesting, the pacing wasawesome, and the action scenes were actually comprehend able,and about winter soldier surviving the fall? How he did is in the comics! They actually stayed true to the comics on this one.buh I do geht your point bou thor though!! It sucks...

i would be glad if batman that's ben affleck's bats fought like captain america in the winter soldier. Gosh, i would hate it if they repeated christain bale's fighting style in tdk trilogy. That batman was way too slow, weak and redundant.

Csami:
A Lot of things is wrong with winter soldier like half of shield working for hydra without shield's knowledge, his friend surviving that fall, captain stealing his costume from a museum, a lot of other things that make me wonder at night if the director was trying to keep to marvel's target of three movies per year or something that's beyond my explanation. Captain America and thor 2 are the only marvel movies I just couldn't keep in my system because they suck real bad.

yea there are many go0fs in winter soldier like how cap jumped out of the plane into the sea without getting wet at the begining of the film but to me, it and thor part 1 are my favourite mcu films so far. I hate guardians of the galaxy ehn.

jjk24:
Am sorry I think we are derailing from the main topic though, have you guys seen the full costumes!!(The wonder woman costume )

thats n0t for the m0vies.

jjk24:
oh trust me have watched winter soldier.. And its way better than ultron even though it didn't have as much action scenes. Arguably better than the 1st avengers sef lol buh people might nt probably agree with that.

you kn0w why the avengers part 1 is rated high? Its the first cinematic universe and 1st time, hawkeye, stark, captain america, hulk, b widow, thor are meeting. After that the truth became obvious. Imagine age of ultr0n was the 1st, the criticism wouldn't be this high.

jjk24:
am sorry buh which gruesome deaths, I particular thought it was hated mainly cos superman did took a life and killed zod?, I can pretty much remember reading a few reviews and that part was mainly criticised,I might be wrong though.

zod's death and the destructi0ns are the grues0me deaths am talking about na. Am glad zod was killed off, you kn0w why? Cos fr0m n0w on, we'll be able to see other superman villains other than zod and lex.

jjk24:
I particularly didn't enjoy the avengers has much as I hoped , its what ull call solid, buh all in all its just a big budget CGI showcase, the pacing was wrong, the villain was weak, ( the bleeped up big time wif d villian, ultron had realpromise.) He was well voiced and well animated, buh there was just no point in the movie in which he actually had an upper hand. All in all avengers age of ultron is enjoyable just wasn't worth ma 2k advance showing fee.

nothing special about the age of ultron cos we already know ultron's age (pun intended) but sha if u want to enjoy it, lower your expectations or better still don't watch captain america winter soldier cos its higher than the age of ultron.

Csami:
U know u're actually right. I was expecting to hear the death of probably thor or captain America or hawkeye or some big name not that quick silver guy. The ultron I know is brutal and intelligent, always two steps ahead of the avengers.

They didn't want to be compared with the xmen quicksilver and our very own the flash thats why they had to kill him off.

jjk24:
Ofcus they won't wanna put any gruesome scene or civilians actually dying on the big screen, buh they expect you to know people die, all that destruction? And they tell you people died ,u still dey doubt?

there were gruesome deaths in man of steel. That's why its generally hated by critics.