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TheKingIsHere:
You might have done PR but you don't know much about management. Trust me.

You keep shouting WB up and down when disney (which you praise) have done far worse.

Mention what WB did to Ray fisher that Disney didn't do to John Boyega? Disney even did worse to him, but I don't see you crying about it.

I talk based on facts, but you are talking based on emotions. If you are a wb fanboy that feels pained about what they did, get over it as other top studios have done far worse

bros, i never said wb did anything to fisher. I said it before. I said they didn't handle it well to prevent fisher fr0m getting aggrieved. Even affleck is hinting at how horrible it was. I kept saying batman made affleck relapse, and i was right. Yea, i may n0t be g0od at management, but the 1st thing i kn0w is that a g0od manager or management must set objectives and be proactive in getting them and n0t reacti0nary. That is, becos a rival is hitting it big, i d0n't rush in to do it like him or n0t plan things head on b4 going in.

TheKingIsHere:
You people don't know that WB is a company that is running to make profit.

Yes, the wronged Snyder by giving into critics, but are you guys not giving into the same critics today?

Disney stars wars has the record for most directors sacked but you won't see SW fans behaving childish like some fake snyder fans?

Disney treated Boyega like trash but did you see boyega calling out the names of disney executives and insulting them? This is the mistake Ray made and Ann and even Kilar has supported Hamada and even the private investigator stated that Hamada never interfered in the investigation (something that ray fisher accused him of falsely).

The same disney that shot mulan at concentration camps in china, yet you kept quiet.. If it was wb that did same, you would've come here to start complaining about how evil and clueless WB is.

You're just pained emotionally, get over it.

Learn how business works.

As it stands, no top studio will want to work with Ray fisher because of his terrible behavior and diva attitude

because boyega kept quiet doesn't mean fisher would or should. And the fact boyega kept quiet is prove disney handled the situati0n better than wb. Besides, boyega is nigerian, nigerians aren't kn0wn for activism that much [this is me trolling boyega] Disney effs up, but they've d0ne m0re g0od to the star warz franchise than bad. Wb on the other hand has failed dc time without number. I mean, how does any0ne n0t have a clear plan on what they want for a franchise. The plan for MOS was to make it stand al0ne till they changed their mind to bring in batman. Then after a bvs they botched, they still did same to jl. I mean, who are wb pandering to? Critics? Dude, i have never l0oked at review b4 i go for a film. I didn't care abt reviews b4 watching 84. Wb never had a plan, if they had one, they w0n't have hired snyder. It was cos they wanted to hasten a superman film to prevent a lawsuit that they hired snyder and goyer. After avengers did numberz, they hastened bvs. Forgetting that proper time would be needed to tell a story introducing these characters yet wb didn't have the guts to make it hours l0ng if they couldn't plan the cinematic universe well.

TheKingIsHere:
It's been deleted from the net but I know I saved it on one of my systems.

if that's what u call toxic, then i am tired of this your argument. I can see your point is clouded in riddles. You never were for the snyder visi0n. U just d0n't want to say it out.
People do stupid things especially on the media. They do it to act funny, express themselves or for publicity. You talking abt toxic fans i was thinking it was physically c0nfr0nting the execs or burning their properties or s0mething. Dude, i doubt you are into business, if u are you would kn0w there's n0thing like toxic cust0mer or client. Once a client isn't happy, they would let you kn0w. S0me are c0nsiderate abt how they say it, otherz believe it's their m0ney or time g0ne to the drain and they would be m0re loud. You can't tell s0me0ne n0t happy abt s0mething they were sold that they are toxic. It's like u saying the endsars protesters or those agitating for a better nigeria are toxic just for creating memes of politicians who are effing up.

TheKingIsHere:
If I tell you that Disney has the most toxic fandom (Star wars and MCU(spider man to be precise)) will you believe? .

This is despite the fact that their exec is yet to call them toxic, they are still the most toxic. But I don't see you castigating disney

i w0n't castigate disney, cos no matter how they eff up, they kn0w how to please their publics. They have a goal, and they get their publics to share in them. L0ok how they handled spiderman or how they brought in the mandalorian. They are pro active n0t reactive. They're doing s0mething right that's why u d0n't see mcu fans or star fans attacking their execs.

TheKingIsHere:
If I tell you that Disney has the most toxic fandom (Star wars and MCU(spider man to be precise)) will you believe? .

This is despite the fact that their exec is yet to call them toxic, they are still the most toxic. But I don't see you castigating disney

i w0n't castigate disney, cos no matter how they eff up, they kn0w how to please their publics. They have a goal, and they get their publics to share in them. L0ok how they handled spiderman or how they brought in the mandalorian. They are pro active n0t reactive. They're doing s0mething right that's why u d0n't see mcu fans or star

TheKingIsHere:
The same universal that owns hulk and few other marvel characters and still don't know what to do with them that disney has to step in?

Even fox studios were so confused that they kept on messing up their x-men movies till they finally gave up.

You just like to dey misyarn sha.

but fox were able to keep the x men going for 17 yearz. They gave you x men, x 2, first class, the wolverine, logan, days of future past without delays or development hell or having 2 visi0ns jumbled. Universal only had 2 hulk films and yes they still own the rights to hulk but can't make a m0vie n0w cause of mcu. Wb on the other hand can't maintain the dceu for 4 yearz without l0osing track. Universal kept the fast n furious franchise going without reb0oting even after t0kyo drift. Bros, wb na wash.

TheKingIsHere:
Cyborg is seen as a freak, doom patrol is about freak superheroes. So, how won't cyborg fit?

you see, that's why we say the show didn't get cyborg right. And that's cos they tried to force him in.

SMUAG:
Yes, bro..
WB is one negative energy we have as a studio out there....
No proper time-table...
They just keep announcing DC movies left and right without any solid plan...

their trademark. Wb are so reacti0nary than proactive.

abduleez1:
Bros I understand what you're saying. But to say WB don't own DC comics is simply disingenuous.

Of course All authors have rights to their work and there's some contractual agreement between them and the publisher(in this point WB and DC Comics) and some author retains some exclusive rights to their big characters. If you as an author sold full rights of an IP to a company, forget no be you get property again.
The bone of contention is Smaug saying WB don't own DC and all characters under contractual obligations.

If that were so as you claim, at least we would have seen ONE DC character(s) get captured by rival studios. Not a single movie from any company other than WB in Theatrical Live Action. Why? For how many decades? If your claim were true we'd have seen the Marvel Comics scenario where they have to buy back rights to their IP. ALL DC TV SHOWS ON OTHER NETWORKS ARE SOLELY LICENSED BY WB. Why not Big Screen too? Even at that how many DC IP are under other Studios? Except Lucifer, Sandman and Epix Pennyworth.

Make Una help me explain that one. I no get strength for all this mental and lingual gymnastics. Or better still bring RECEIPTS.

yes, wb owns dc. But the point smuag is making is, there are terms to owning dc. Okay, why is it that studios buy rights to b0oks then end up l0osing the rights? Bros, if wb go a certain length without making dc films, dc c0mics can sue and be on the l0ok out for an0ther owner. Why do u think fox kept making fantastic 4 films or why do u think disney can't make a hulk film? Dc c0mics is separate fr0m wb but then, there's a divisi0n in wb called dc entertainment. It acts as a link to dc c0mics. It's n0t like wb are the publishers or dictate what dc publishes. They just own the rights to all its characters. All, n0t the c0mpany itself.

johnyace:
In my opinion WB or Ann sarnoff doesn't have the right to call snyder verse fans toxic, they created the toxic environment at first with their lies, betrayals and paying attention to critics instead of the fans, it might have been business for them but they forget that people have emotions attached to these characters and fandom that they are messing with.

exactly. The fact it's a business means they owe m0re to their consumers. I d0n't blame thekingishere and abduleez1, i happened to have d0ne a course on PR back in my sch0ol days and i kn0w for sure wb effed in the area of PR. And management. So me ranting isn't just fanboyism al0ne.

pu7pl3:
I still don't know the meaning of that A>E he always types after his tweets

always ever? American entertainment? I really can't put a picture.

abduleez1:
I dey tell you. They are beginning to make me hate Snyder movies unknowingly sef.

WB have been making shitty decisions since time immemorial, we know that but we can't all been complaining all the damn time.
After all this are mainly new set off execs. Let's wait and watch they do next.

If the Snyderverse was a sure Banger for money making WB being greedy as we claim would have jumped on it without much shame.

There's the Donner Cut and Schumacher cut wey people use decades get and these ones still whiny with 4 years of release still asking for more.

They can't read the memo. Wb moved on.
I don't like dwelling too much in the past. Na forward be the only way.
They keep forgetting we have barely even released movies sef. Now movies are flowing they complaining. Some are claiming movies which won't get made upon say you dey see like 4 movies enter production & filming in one year for DC. Which time you see such development before. They are giving me more content as I want with the added flavor of diversity that's why I am excited for future projects not necessarily as if I like WB.

If wishes were horses I'd pray Universal had the rights to DC. I've stated that many times on NL before but some seem to tag me as a WB studio Chief PR Secretary.

oga, na true SMUAG dey talk. These are c0ntract thingy. Alot goes into it. Read up on the drama btw the Siegel/ shuster family, Dc and wb over the n0n portrayal of superman in film within a given period that could've led to the rights on superman changing. And voila, during that time wb had to ask N0lan to make a superman film after he was d0ne with Tdkr. N0lan suggested snyder, and that's how we got MOS. That's how these things are. SMUAG kn0ws what he is saying. Even a work an author writes, has limited yearz before he looses its c0pyright and other mediums can print them aside its original publisher. Cause you buy the rights to an intellectual property doesn't mean u own it forever. Check the rules regarding intellectual property.

TheKingIsHere:
Wrong.

A lot of these people claiming to be Zack fans done even know half of his movies.

DC was the one that made Zack more prominent.

And Zack fans still support a lot of DC projects.

It's just the ones who derive pleasure from causing animosity that are the toxic ones.

Even among the Snyder fandom, there are a lot of fighting, selfish interests and betrayals

oga, na wash. If wb had stick to a focus fr0m the beginning, be it snyder's or s0me0ne else's, there w0n't be this agitati0n, bros. D0n't insult fans by using the word toxic. When a c0mpany fails its publics, you are bound to see agitati0n or grievances. It is PR 101 and you can't manage the problem by tagging any0ne toxic. Yes, there are those that go overboard and do stupid things, but if there weren't eff ups or c0ntroversies early on, there w0n't be people going overboard. It's like with this rum0r that there's a black superman film in development. N0w, you haven't finished Kent's storyline, you are bringing in supergirl and black supes with no word on where or when Kent will return. Obviously, no one has heard anything abt Kent's fans or say s0mething like Kent's fans are toxic. But the minute the film is green lit and kent's story is relegated then you would start seeing 'toxic fans'. It's buying and selling, if a buyer aint happy, you d0n't say the buyer is bad. Bros, na business carry am c0me. No buyer would be nuts to go toxic if he loves what you are selling to him. It's just like, at the middle or after Winter soldier film, marvel went straight into making a film abt Wils0n as cap america and n0thing is heard abt steve rogers. There would be agitati0n. Just as people c0mplained or hate the current Cap america n0w while they are waiting for sam to take the mantle. Imagine marvel leave the current guy to be cap america all through the mcu.

TheKingIsHere:
Wrong.

A lot of these people claiming to be Zack fans done even know half of his movies.

DC was the one that made Zack more prominent.

And Zack fans still support a lot of DC projects.

It's just the ones who derive pleasure from causing animosity that are the toxic ones.

Even among the Snyder fandom, there are a lot of fighting, selfish interests and betrayals

oga, na wash. If wb had stick to a focus fr0m the beginning, be it snyder's or s0me0ne else's, there w0n't be this agitati0n, bros. D0n't insult fans by using the word toxic. When a c0mpany fails its publics, you are bound to see agitati0n or grievances. It is PR 101 and you can't manage the problem by tagging any0ne toxic. Yes, there are those that go overboard and do stupid things, but if there weren't eff ups or c0ntroversies early on, there w0n't be people going overboard.

TheKingIsHere:
Make una calm down for doom patrol Cyborg na.

Doom patrol is a superhero flick with misfits as superheroes.

If we had Ray Fisher version of Cyborg, it won't fit the narrative

it would. But he'd be m0re similar to negative man. And the pattern the show went, it needed different pers0nalities. In essence, they should've used a diff character and n0t cyborg if they hadn't a plan to m0ve cyborg to titans. Cyborg doesn't fit DP altogether.

SMUAG:
Oga, you sef too dey carry WB matter for head like say them dey pay you.
Don't also forget that WB only has DC characters through binding agreements that last for a stipulated period and subject to renewal and nothing more, which apparently another studio might also have DC, through the same negotiation WB used one day.
Am not a fan of WB but a fan of DC, so if I feel I see what I don't really like from WB I will definitely whine (even when I know nothing can be done) cause am not fanning WB but DC.
This is the same thing that happens to the Star Wars universe, their execs decided to go overboard and ignored the cry from their fans, I guess we can all see where it has landed them. Yes, fans can be toxic, but oftentimes it's mostly born out of passions they have for their characters.
Just because some of the execs are so keen on killing the restorethesnyderverse train buzz, they had used less than a week to release almost all the hypes that will take most studios (including them) months to do so.
Most people like us who don't really have much faith in WB execs was as a result of the manner in which they try to meddle with directors' works and the director's cut always comes out better than the meddled cut by execs released in theatre, and also want DCEU to be MCU copycat.
I also learned that Michael Keaton is no longer appearing as Batman in the upcoming The Flash movie.
Wahala just b like WB wey dey announce their DC movies tables every six six months but nothing dey happen.
For the record again, I'm a DC fan and not WB. If DC moved to Universal or any other Studio I will definitely follow. Ok.

my man! You said my mind. Universal or li0nsgate w0n't be as messed up as wb with dc characterz. Or even fox then. WB are t0o negative inclined. Check the films that have been in development hell, wb has the highest percentage.

pu7pl3:
That big mouth have made soomany people love him(me included) they should keep him and make Cyborg relevant again like Zack did not that Doom patrol bastard

good to have u back. I d0n't see fisher having a big m0uth. U see the bias against men? Had it being it was a w0man, guys like abduleez1 would be m0re sympathetic. And media would've made it a propaganda. Wb would've acted. But hey, it's a black guy, who cares.

abduleez1:
Lol, I know say people go para. Na the weirdness and funniness na im make me talk am.
The Imp na one weird character but I kinda like the guy playing with Superboy.
He can bring Multiversality to DC easier tho.

Czarnian sure sounds best.

Cyborg solo, with Ray big mouth, I'm not sure I care much for his take. He's good for the role tho. Just his publicity na headache. Appearance in other movies sounds better.

i d0n't just get it. Would u rather he dies in silence? We are all different. It's n0t like he started the whole thing. The work place envir0nment did. Stop making Ray the bad guy. Blame wb for n0t treating it head on and keeping fisher quiet.

abduleez1:
If this is your reasoning then why are you seemingly opposed to future slate of movies announced??

Aren't they diversity, variety and more characters getting prominence as you're currently saying?
How sure are you of their lack of connection?
All studios have movies which falls into development hell. DC case isn't unique. As a fan we're bummed but it is what it is. Making money out of such projects is always a primary goal man and if studios feel not confident about it, things gets delayed.

At times things are not solely problems from studios.

I no with this comment na to tag person WB supporter. Cos I don't tow same bashing line.

Blame game ain't my thing but way forward. And I'm moving on from the Snyderverse. If we get it great, if not I'll see it as missed opportunity or what could have been. But life's cruel. So far I can still see Cavill prominently in future films no problem.

If there's a man of steel I'd hate the regular suspects for villains. I'll want to see Mr Mxyzptlk gain some shine. Not the usual, lex, Brainiac or Darkseid, Doomsday etc. Even Lobo might be good.

dude, i ain't opp0sing the slates. Am asking how the slates m0ve the dceu in terms of narrative. That has been my argument. Films like BoP, batgirl for n0w d0n't. Films like new gods, gl, flash, shazam and black adam do further the narrative. Which is why we are advocating a MOS 2 in place of films like BoP. I d0n't say we shouldn't get it but after we've had a straight narrative. And that's what we aren't having for n0w.

Hohenheim:
Exactly how did WB destroy DC?

am pretty sure u are happy with the theatrical releases of bvs, ss, jl and BoP right? Or the directi0nless m0vement of the whole thing. Or that of all the characterz wb have rights, wb have made fr0m them only superman and batman films up until marvel came into the picture. Or that every m0vie wb ever tried to bring to life aside those 2 always fell into development hell. Or that, they w0uld rather hasten projects just to fill their pockets. Or how wb has c0nsistently given us films like catw0man, supergirl, steel etc that are wash. I mean, they are very c0nsistent in giving us bad films than they are in giving g0od dc films. Yeah. Thanks.

Hohenheim:
Exactly how did WB destroy DC?

am pretty sure u are happy with the theatrical releases of bvs, ss, jl and BoP right? Or the directi0nless m0vement of the whole thing. Or that of all the characterz wb have rights, wb have made fr0m them only superman and batman films up until marvel came into the picture. Or that every m0vie wb ever tried to bring to life aside those 2 always fell into development hell.

SMUAG:
Bro, the true DC fans never complained of the gritty style Zack introduced, rather they so much love it cause it actually mirrors how society will react if super beings do battle on earth. The casualties and catastrophe will definitely be of a far higher scale and true DC fans know and love that.
Those that clamored for change were actually never true fans. Because a true fan will gladly embrace the path Zack was going cause it presents something far different from what some see as status quo and it will also make the CBM sustainable for longer time without one getting bored or tired since there will be varieties to choose from.
WB destroyed all hope left when they start muddling with directors' works, bro. Instead of them to build on the little success from MoS they decided to go overboard all in the name of catching MCU.
Now tell me, is MoS not due for a sequel? Yet they keep releasing movies no one even asked for. Imagine, they are also planning to shoot and release Krypto the Superdog movie too lol! And some of us here will still even side WB. Is Krypto not part of Superman? Is it not same Superman's story that gave birth to Krypto's own. Why can't they include MoS 2 in their slot, that alone will ring the bell, rather than some mumu movies they have in their slot...

that s0me dc fans would be dissing other dc fans without c0ndemning wb's destructi0n of dc amazes me.

Raalsalghul:
When we say "don't copy MCU", most were referring to tone. Get it right please.

like, the thing really weak me. As in, the point of a universe is having films that f0llow up on the same c0ntinuity with each release rather than just being a one off story that ends al0ng with its characterz. How else would it be a shared c0ntinuity if there aren't films that c0nnect?

TheKingIsHere:
The same people that don't want WB to copy the MCU want the same WB to copy and have DCEU slate like the MCU.

Na wa o

pls expantiate. I d0n't understand. What do u mean exactly? Isn't the point of a shared universe having inter c0nnected c0ntinuity through its slate or sandbox of films? Like every film being a chapter to an overall big b0ok? Am n0t following.

TheKingIsHere:
Oga, stop giving silly excuses.

So, if disney did something right, it justifies the leaks abi?

it doesn't. N0w, pls quit bothering me abt wb matters. I hate that c0mpany to heavens.

Raalsalghul:
No mind them, confused bunch of mofos.

i tell you. E c0ncern them.

Raalsalghul:
No mind them, confused bunch of mofos.

i tell you. E c0ncern them.

Raalsalghul:
There's nothing remotely lined up in WB's slate to show they're going for a shared universe.

It's while I've lost interest in their projects. Of course I'll still see their films, but not with the same optimism pre 2020.

am telling you. Same here. That's why i keep saying wb are f0oling fans with the multiverse idea. What they're doing is releasing films to see which brings bank, then voila, sequel. If flash fails, then that's the last event film-ish we get.

TheKingIsHere:
Avenger Endgame was leaked. Spiderman Far from home was leaked. Wanda vision was leaked.

Yet, I don;t see you attack Disney o

cos disney has d0ne s0mething right. Starting a CU with C list characterz, a washed up actor and making them household names. Wb can't even do that with A list characters or actors.

IngeniousLeez:
WB are indeed moving on to a more connected Universe, not the rumors saying it's abandoning such.

Only thing is they aren't following Zack's verse anymore. They are charting a different "connected Universe" without the issues rife with the Snyderverse.

oh really? I haven't seen anything to prove they are bro. It's all stand al0ne so far. No references, allussi0n or whatever like we had with suicide squad or w0nder w0man.

IngeniousLeez:
Baba Les different from Bi.

Les will hardly ever mingle with opposite sex unless the person just dey experiment or dey early stage of identifying his/her sexual orientation.

i kn0w. But who u d0n hear sai Heard date before Depp wey even social media carry?

IngeniousLeez:
Na Lie. Na Bi she be.
She no fit tolerate hetero this long IF she's Les. All this one na smear campaign alaye. I no dey but this shït.

For where we get people like Miley Cyrus, why she go dey hide her identity. This days wey LGBTQ community dey get praise, sympathy, pandering and acceptance these days. In fact , being Les is considered very normal or the BEST of the Rainbow community sef.

Why weyrey NL dey censor my word. THR£€$0ME THI#&S.

i no talk say she dy hide am oh. I just say, she could m0stly prefer chicks, and the Bi thing could be a way to n0t raise eyebrow that she's dating a man like Depp if she was Les. Hence her identifying as Bi. It happens bro. But that's my theory. Altho am sure she never really loved depp.