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I'm not sure I know how to read this question, to be honest. Do men offer sex? In my opinion: Yes. Of course, yes. It's one out of several things they've got to give. In fact, everyone has a list of things they've got up for grabs whenever they interact with another human being (if nothing else, then they give/offer their time). Little things and big things which make them attractive (and useful) to others. For example: humor, good conversation, ego-massage, motivation, occasional companionship, reliable friendship, emotional support, financial support, sex, marriage. In our interaction with people, we try to figure out what a person has got to "offer" and if we have "need" for that thing; because that's the only way the interaction/relationship would be of value to us, instead of just being a waste of our time. And it's their responsibility to evaluate our value to them in return, so that it becomes a symbiotic relationship. You cannot "offer" something and not get anything in return. That's not sustainable. A relationship where one person gives and doesn't get anything in return, dies. Mind you, there are some relationships that might seem parasitic (on a superficial level), but they aren't really. A person doesn't necessarily have to get his "reciprocation" from his counterpart directly to get "value". Sometimes, a "giving-person" gets reciprocation from a third party or by extension: for instance: a man who's in a relationship with a woman for her father's influential name ( she has no personal assets he values, but she's got value bestowed on her by her family); or a woman who marries a man for her compulsory "MRS" qualification (he's got no personal gifts of value to her but society has blessed him with that specific kind of value to a woman); there are also people who derive satisfaction from being magnanimous in relationships, because religion has given value to self-sacrifice, selflessness, and suffering for the sake of other people. They feel noble, telling themselves it's all for God. Some of these things aren't rock-solid: financial support is good until I have my own money; sex is good until it's not; a man in a woman's life gives her social validation but when he starts to threaten her life, she must choose what's more important: to live or to please society? The moment we don't need some of these things anymore, the person loses value on our eyes. But it doesn't mean they don't still have those things to offer, which would be of value to the next person who's got those needs. Absolutely nobody is generally valueless. So, sex is probably one of the easiest things men have to offer. But by itself, it isn't very sellable to many Nigerian women. It's a cheap commodity because, just like junk food, it might taste good but over-indulgence makes Nigerian women unattractive (to Nigerian men) in the long run. And "attractiveness to men" is something Nigerian women want to preserve. So, naturally, women would rather want things which would add value to them and avoid things that detract value. Most men, on the other hand, value sex and not much else. Even though both genders have the capacity to "offer" sex, sex for sex generally isn't in a woman's interest in the Nigerian context. And most men would consider "companionship, motivation, etc minus sex" from a woman a waste of their time. So, in a bid to get women to bring sex to the bargaining table, men offer "the woman's ask": financial support or marriage (which traditionally includes financial support plus "legitimized" sex for women). We are all just trading value; but somehow, when sex and money are involved, it becomes a moral issue. For emancipated females who have worked themselves to financial independence, and whose worlds have expanded to the point where they don't necessarily have to live with and worry about this misogyny, they can put things in context and Africa becomes just another bad neighborhood on the wrong side of town. When a woman's value in society doesn't really depend on having a man, she would not staunchly avoid a burger (just for the sake of remaining attractive to a man) if it makes her happy. Her own health and comfort would be her primary concern and motivation for moderation. Such a woman won't have any inhibitions, she would value sex for the sake of sex. But there's always the exception to the rule. |
Dimples129: Awww...........She's back! Your hiatus has finally ended. Baby girl, I don't know about "interesting reads"; it's been same old. You didn't miss much, but I definitely missed you on here. ![]() Good to have you back, sweetie |
Anthony, please man up and tell your neighbour that what he's doing is not okay by you. Stop disturbing Facebook. Teach the guy how to "handle" his wife and his home-affairs from your wealth of experience. |
greiboy:Hmm, Chinese men for African women? . And you you say you want to avert lesbianism. ![]() Anyway, my bottom line is: women do need options. (If I expatiate this point it'll end up becoming a long "angry woman's rant" . And if a girl happens to find happiness with another girl: hallelujah, is all I'm saying. |
greiboy:Please share. Little or much, doesn't matter. I'm sure it'll be interesting. ![]() I am just observing your support for lesbianism. ![]() I'm looking at the big picture. Shey they said that seven women will latch on to a single man soon? Believing that prophecy of doom, lesbianism should be good for the equilibrium of world sex. |
Attagirl. You don't need any excuses to justify being yourself. |
"Most women in Africa see sex as a thing of favour they give to men" That's because most men in Africa shame and debase women as their body count increases. So if we are willing to increase our body count and take the shame on your account, how do you not see our sacrifice? It's not a level playing field. |
AntiBrutus:You are a very sensible person, P.
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Happy Birthday, dearie..........more blessings and many more years to enjoy them all. |
donstan18: . Good to know. And keep doing that. Have a great day, dear... |
donstan18:Awwww... Don't say that.....you're going to encourage me. I'm good, hun. What's going on with you? |
donstan18:Lol! ![]() |
XhosaNostra:Lol!! Nice. |
donstan18:Lol! . Yeah, I accept. The clue is in the moniker. But more often than not I keep it brief by not typing anything at all. |
Sagamite:Alright this is getting tedious. I'm picking out the bolded words and considering them your concession. |
Sagamite:This is your category, he acknowledged you: people who continue to understand chivalry as strictly male obligations towards female beneficiaries. Even when there are historical examples of a wider application. Books are written to enlighten people because ignorance continues to live amongst us. The older examples were of greater value to me because I wanted to see how far back this sort of usage went. And it dates back far enough to a time when chivalry was alive and well. And I counted 80 years between 1938 and 2018. |
Sagamite:Okay, I'm sorry. Then my response to you should have been that you analogy does not apply and you clearly missed my point. My point is: the existence of female knights through history proves that knighthood was not restricted to men. Of course I know what we are debating about.Again, it's NOT about averages. It's about whether the word (chivalry) can be used to qualify women. Just like "tall" and "affinity for sex", even when men are tall(er) on the average. There is really no argument there, darling.Clearly not with you. |
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Sagamite:Lol! You asked for text on the issue; I gave it. If it had said merely "chivalry", according to your thinking, it would not comprise women. Now you have chivalry and women in the same sentence. Be happy, for chrissakes. |
Sagamite:No, actually it was you who missed the point here. The question is: can chivalry be used to qualify women? It is not: which gender exhibits chivalry? or which gender is more chivalrous? It is simply: can a woman be described as chivalrous? Just like: Can a black man be said to have academic aptitude? It isn't a comparative issue. When I say "women" or "men", I think you need to figure out that I meant "on average".What does this even mean, and how is it applicable? We are arguing if a word can fittingly describe a woman. Now, it's well known that men are taller than women on the average. But does that mean that a woman cannot fittingly be described as being tall? Is it a word that can only be applicable to men? I think not. This wasn't a good example to make your point. No! Wrong. ...........I'll pass. |
Sagamite:Source: Feminism and the creation of a female aristocracy (Peter Wright)
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Sagamite:Okay then. If you are accepting the morphed version of the word, why are you not willing to accept that chivalry ALSO means: 1. Very polite, honest, and kind behaviour, especially by men towards women (Cambridge dictionary). 2. Courteous behaviour, especially that of a man towards women (Oxford) 3. Polite, kind, and unselfish behaviour, especially by men towards women (Collins). 4. The qualities of being polite and honest and having honour that were expected of a knight (Macmillan) And as Reina as already pointed out: “especially” does not mean “specifically” or “exclusively”. So you cannot claim that the word chivalry CANNOT apply to women as well. I don’t expect you to conclude on the academic prowess of black people based on two (or even ten) Nobel prizes, no. I, however, would expect you to see that Nobel prizes aren’t exclusively given to non-black people; and that black people can also have a chance to win Nobel prizes when they excel in their fields. In the same way, I would expect you to see that women were not excluded from knighthood, even if there were only two examples to make that point. But you would find that there were quite a number. The example I gave you earlier was a whole order of knighthood for women. I think you misunderstand the concept of equality which feminism advocates. We cannot say women have equal intelligence as men, when one man doesn’t even have the same intelligence as the next man. Same goes for sex drive, logic and a host of other subjective variables. It’s just simply ridiculous to make such suppositions. https://www.nairaland.com/4198664/feminism-relevant-time-place-emancipation Yes, I agree that society suppresses women with culture and religion. Here’s the difference in the nature/nurture argument: If a woman is tasked with child birth, it is as a result of nature (she has the hardware for it). If a woman is tasked with cooking and cleaning (which are both acquired skills), that’s because she’s nurtured to do so. And because society has certain expectations of men and women, both aren’t entirely free to choose where they want to fit in. Most women are ready to break out of their boxes because they’ve become unsuitable and incompatible with our desires. It should be our right to do so too; and it in no way means that we want to become men. And as far as your shot on logic goes: No be who first call police dey win case. ![]() |
Martin0:Yes nau. This is what he should have been telling her over the phone. What is this, a supposed change of heart? I'm not buying. How've you been, my dear? |
Sagamite:I've been looking at this for a while........ Sagamite, if you want to limit your definition of chivalry to chivalry as it relates to knights (which indeed is the origin of the word), then you're going to have to accept that chivalry is not even a male-thing. It is not gender-specific; it is vocation-specific. It's an esoteric culture or code of conduct which applies only to knights, but not to men in general. And it would interest you to know that there have been female Knights throughout history. Whereas I'm sure you're familiar with females in battle (like Joan d'Arc, or the samurai Nakano Takeko), it's (maybe) a less well-known fact that "The Order of the Hatchet" was a military order of knighthood for women. And this isn't the only example, there were several militissas in the middle-ages. How can it, therefore, even be taken for granted that men who aren't knights would abide by that code? What right do they have? This is just a residual deposit of all the fairy-tales we were told as children: Cinderella, sleeping beauty, Rapunzel..............the white knight in shining armor; a purely romantic notion which conveniently disregards the existence of female knights because it's bent on creating a pretty picture. It's fantastic (not........I mean fantasy).We don't necessarily remember much of history; but we cannot forget these stories that have immortalized the knight in shining armor. Feminism doesn't think much of these misogynistic fairy-tales where women are often depicted as the prize to reward a man's valor: if you slay the dragon, you can have your pick from my array of beautiful daughters. And somehow, we know, he'll pick the youngest, who's sweet and coy. Not only are these tales sexist, but they're agist as well. Remember how Cordelia was more virtuous than Regan and Goneril? Some of these fairy-tales need to be stood on their heads. Shrek has been great in addressing our obsession with beauty, but we've got a lot more thinking to do in order to shake people out of this dream. The truth is, chivalry has a much wider application. When knights no longer hogged the word for themselves, and extended it towards en (in the age of Romanticism or idealism), why would it suddenly lose its fluidity now, when women are claiming it too in this age of Realism? Even after the accommodation has been made in the dictionary. When a man gives a woman his handkerchief to dry her tears; it's considered chivalrous, is it not? If a woman dips into her massive handbag to hand a man her handkerchief, why should it be considered anything less than chivalrous? Even if he's only using it to wipe his seat. Is chivalry not in the "thoughtfulness" of the gesture? (I think that it most definitely is) Or must there be a tearful, helpless creature at the receiving end (not just a needful one), a position men just won't be associated with out of their own free-will. And a position which, naturally, clashes with the portrayal of the strong feminist woman. But..... Feminism cannot be compatible with chivalry.Feminism isn't about denying weakness; it is a human thing after all. Real-life situations are unique, and so are real-life people; we all have various strengths that can compliment the weaknesses of others regardless of gender. Feminism, however, is against casting women, as a gender, as helpless damsels in distress and, therefore, limiting chivalry to the self-serving, ego-boosting frivolities which men accord the DID. Isn't that a slap in the face of knighthood, though? |
, idiot! He smelt her perfume. What's he doing at that door if he knows what's expected of him? |
She said "most" feminists want selective equality. And if we are referring to "feminists" (which includes anyone who fancies herself one) and not feminists (which excludes anyone who doesn't abide by the general principles of feminism), then she wouldn't be wrong altogether. By the way, she didn't say if she was advocating for "proper" feminism or if she was against the concept. So, I don't see why anyone should make this an issue. |
We have more marriages between peers these days than we had in the old days (and also more marriages where the woman is older); and that's because many women are willing to drop their requirements now since they aren't looking for a Daddy Warbucks. There was a time a woman would consider a man of her age beneath her (and not the other way round), but all that has changed. Many women don't look for that "ultimate provider" anymore; they don't look for that guy who is "made" and typically in his late thirties/early forties while she's in her early twenties. These days, a woman can be okay with a guy who seems to be on his way somewhere, knowing she would also get hers and compliment his income. In the old days, this would have been considered a serious gamble which no FOB would likely take. |
Tohzara: I know you were being gender specific, which is why I started by addressing male-chivalry. If there's to be male-chivalry, then there should also be female-chivalry (two sides of a single coin). Like you said: reciprocation. Anyway, I fixed my earlier comment with this: it doesn't agree with the feminist ideology to insist on male-chivalry alone. If we want to be beneficiaries of chivalry (as social etiquette), then we must give it too. But feminism isn't an excuse for men to stop being chivalrous. It's rather an invitation for women to be. |
Male chivalry? No. I think it would be unfair to insist on male chivalry alone; there's always an imbalance/inequality when you say "male this" or "female that". And this kind of inequality doesn't agree with the general feminist philosophy. Chivalry has a non-gender-specific definition, and it simply means showing kindness, respect and loyalty to people around you. Chivalry and feminism aren't mutually exclusive. The fact that women are (and want to be) self-determining creatures in society doesn't impede chivalrous behavior in any way. We give it and we take it. We all deserve a little consideration from others, and that is exactly how we should all be with people: considerate. When I walk through a door in a public building, I hold it open for the person coming behind me (whether it's a man or a woman or a child) so it doesn't slam in their face. When someone drops their stuff and it falls at my feet, I pick it up for them (whether it's a man or a woman). When someone I'm with is trying to lift something heavy, I give them a hand. When I see someone who is greatly inconvenienced by standing (for whatever obvious condition: pregnancy, amputation, fatigue....), I give them my seat (whether it's a man or a woman). It's nice when people are kind and courteous. But the vagina doesn't require more consideration than the penis in society (and vise-versa; Seun, kindly address this issue of biased censorship )so don't give your seat to someone simply because she's a woman. However, in relationships, people tend to baby each other to make each other feel special, and that's okay. It's not anti-equality; it's a way to show affection. These little things are indicative of how much the other person cares and a mark of their attentiveness (and sometimes: possessiveness) towards their significant other. I would definitely sit myself down before my date has had the chance to pull up a chair for me; but if he sits down without an eye out to be sure that I've got a seat too, I would hold it against him. Bigly . And I would give equal consideration to him. I won't just sit down before I've made sure he's sorted out as well (even if I won't be the one hauling a chair over my head). Men would want feminists to believe now that the old-fashioned male chivalry was all about women, but ugly lowly girls would remember history differently. And we know better too. Most guys wouldn't even have contemplated giving a lift, or giving up their seat, to a four-hundred pound woman even if she desperately needed to get off her feet. But that's okay, women are also less inclined to give favors to un-hot men; we live in a superficial world. |
. If you want to stay "tightly connected" with your husband, then just make sure he's very well endowed. Tiny dicks are short-term pleasure-sticks. If you're planning on having kids, don't expect petty pinky to grow into that situation. Don't think of joysticks when you read these sentences, think about maturity and enlightenment. |
Jupxter:What do I think would help? I don't know. When people aren't compatible, I wouldn't recommend they force the issue. So, maybe keep the divorce rate down by limiting marriages altogether? Let people do it only when they can't be without one another; when it adds genuine value to their lives, and not just because it's something to do before they turn 30. |





so long as you keeping sounding smart with it, it's cool 
...........I'll pass.
)so don't give your seat to someone simply because she's a woman.