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win2kwire:
still don't get the message do you monkey?

Not everyone can get their heads up their arse like you.

Won't respond to your gibbers again.

win2kwire:
Are you that dumb about Nigerian politics
Why should he "replace Kachikwu" when he can watch an ibo person get humiliated daily!

What part of ibos are hated by all sections of Nigeria do you not understand?

Get your head off your butthole, will you?! If you don't understand my point, that's your problem; it wasn't meant for dullards.

Save me this rhetoric about Igbos being hated by all sections of Nigeria, please. You ain't talking to fools here.

hooklover:
If not for the south west that keep selling the rest of the country to the abokis we will not be in such mess..
I don't c how SS, SE, SW, middle belt will vote and only mother vote will counter everybody's vote..

SW is a key major voting block and have consistently aligned with abokis to shortchange this country.
With peanuts as thank you for their efforts...
This avoid are heartless and don't give a damn thing..No respect for another tribe and spend the oil money generated at their discretion...

How can buhari come back and is yet to c his minister of a critical sector for updates....

Means he is aware of monies spent and gave approval...

I hope and pray the southwest will not sell the country again to north in 2019...i fear many saboteur in that region just to get a VP day will eventually be cut to size by abokis.

Just imagine all this happening and the VP osibanjor not aware such monies were awarded for contracts.. This is insult....

Happy ibe spoke out....

Oh please! Leave the SW out of this. How has the SW sold the country? Because they voted for Buhari?

win2kwire:
These sorts of treatment are usually to ibos, other southerners don't get it so badly these days.

ibos are the least respected people in the country thanks to their crooked history in Nigeria!

This isn't about being Igbo or not. It has to do with destroying the institution of NNPC. A situation where the GMD is insubordinate to the minister, who is his boss, NNPC ceases to be a reliable organisation.

If Buhari hates the Igbo (which will be very bad, by the way), let him replace Kachikwu with another person rather than subverting the due process.

The eroding of due process by the FG has been revealed by this letter. Strong institutions is the best way to combat corruption but with this kind of work setting, it will be practically impossible to build strong institutions.

Fighting corruption isn't about setting EFCC after offenders only.

Oh really?

sukkot:
but seriously lets reason this matter oooo. this guy was shooting into a crowd from the 32nd floor of the mandalay bay hotel. from the 32nd floor ? thats too far for the bullets to have impact. and they say he killed over 50 ? i think this is fake news. its some kind of propaganda for Gun control. this story as fake as hushpuppis gucci bag

You joking, right? Do you know the caliber of guns he had? Police reported that he had over 10 guns and thousands of ammo.
An ordinary AK-47 has an effective range of 350m while the Mandalay Bay Hotel where the terrorist shot from is 146m high. The hotel has 43 floors while the terrorist was at the 32nd floor. So, an AK47 would have done the magic.

I've watched videos of the shooting and from the sound of the gunshots, that was definitely a high caliber weapon.

jacyhelen:
Its like the religion of peace is on evangelism.

Allahu alkuba!!!!

Check his name is either Akeem Mohammed or Azeex Mustaapha idris....

Not all Muslims are terrorist but all Terrorist are Muslim!!!!

If his name isn't any of what you posted, doesn't that make you a liar and hypocrite?

While at it, check up on the history and characteristics of terrorism.

Cheers.

Ramaa:
We will never see peace for in this world as long as Muamadu Followers are still exists.........they are enjoying to see people dying or getting hurt......

It’s huge mistake to share the same planet with them.....they don’t belong here........

Funny enough, what you just typed is exactly what terrorists use to encourage their recruits.

Must look nice on you to share a similar pattern with terrorists.

blingxx:
Where was Islam mentioned on this thread now

If not that he's wallowing in ignorance, he would know that mass shootings are normal happenings in the US. They have nothing to do with religion.

Not everyone is sensible sha.

Leonbonapart:
Head slamming foes at it again

Keep up the good work Trump

No to Islam
No to Muslims

#islamabad

Oh! It's simplistic to blame a certain religion for shooting when mass shootings have been normal occurrences in the US for many years. When Adam Lanza shot those kids aged 6 and 7 years at Sandy Hook school in 2012, was it religion-induced? Or when tens of people were shot in Virginia in 2007,was it religion-motivated? In a country where ANYONE can purchase assault rifles over the counter, stuff like this shouldn't be surprising.

Check these links and tell me how many shootings were religion-induced.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_by_year

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/06/12/481768384/a-list-of-the-deadliest-mass-shootings-in-u-s-history

uzoclinton:
and it's your Gods masterpiece.... Further proof that no one is perfect.

Who are you?

This world is messed up mehn..

nairavsdollars:
What Fashola cannot do in 8 years, Ambode has done in two years

The road is a federal road. The FG gave LASG permission to renovation the road just a few months ago.

Abeg no disrespect my guy, Fashola like that. Man is a legend.

9jvirgin:
The only things Nigerians copy is imbecilities and buffoonery, we don't copy sensible and intelligent acts. How dumb can this get to?

It's not that deep na.

Android 1- 0 Apple.

HajimeSaito:
Listen to this fool. The only Abrahamic religions are Judaism and Christianity. Hence the expression Judeo-Christian. Pisslam has never been accepted by either Christians or Jews as having any authenticity.

Adults are discussing here, kid. Run along and play with your fellow kids.

If only you could utilize the internet at your disposal to do some simple research, you will not be spewing this nonsense. A simple Google search would have pulled you outta this sea of ignorance you're sinking in.

HajimeSaito:
Typical of the lower life form that you are. You scum never disappoint. No matter how much a gorilla tries to pretend, it will never be accepted as a human being. Your stup.idd pedophile, Sex Award Winner ( S.A.W ) fake " prophet " deserves blind followers like you.
Blind follower of a blind prophet whose reward for obedience is a paradise of sex.

Awwww.... It must really suck to be you right now. Take a deep breath and drink some chilled water. Also, make sure you're sitting so as to prevent you hitting the floor from all these hypertension-inducing bile you possess.

Have a good night.

ChiefMarumba:
May ALLAH S.W.T. bless you, increase you in knowledge and wisdom. Am proud to be a Muslim and am proud of like you in this forum.

Ameen. May Allah set our affairs aright.

alBHAGDADI:
You are not suppose to quote a Bible passage no matter what cos your Islam says it is corrupt.
Even the verse you quoted has no correlation with your stance.

Like I said, if you don't understand why i quoted the bible earlier, I can't help you again. I quoted that verse to show you that even your book supported what I said. Funny enough, you quoted the Qur'an and the Hadith in the comment of yours. Why did you quote the Qur'an if you don't believe in it? The answer you give might lead you to understanding why I quoted your bible. Also, if you can't see the correlation between the quoted verse about God's way being different from man's way, then you can't understand why God chose a certain way to appear to different people.

alBHAGDADI:
It won't stop cos Islam borught it upon itself when it stole Bible stories, twisted them and claimed its own version is the authentic one. It even went ahead to label a book that is 700 years and partly 1000 years older than it a fake and corrupted book. This alone rendered the quran the corrupt one.

Do yourself a favour and read more on monotheism and Abrahamic religions. If you claim Islam stole Bible stories, were Moses, Noah, Joseph and other prophets christians for their stories to have appeared in Christianity's book, the Bible? Using your logic, adherents of Judaism can also accuse you of stealing stories of Moses as the Torah is their book.
PLEASE RESEARCH ON ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS AND MONOTHEISM TO SEE WHY THERE ARE SIMILAR STORIES IN THE BIBLE AND THE QUR'AN!

alBHAGDADI:
He was. Read the encounter below

Sahih Muslim, Book 1, Hadith 301

There came to him the angel and said: Recite, to which he replied: I am not lettered. He took hold of me [the Apostle said] and pressed me, till I was hard pressed; thereafter he let me off and said: Recite. I said: I am not lettered. He then again took hold of me and pressed me for the second time till I was hard pressed and then let me off and said: Recite, to which I replied: I am not lettered. He took hold of me and pressed me for the third time, till I was hard pressed and then let me go and said: Recite in the name of your Lord Who created, created man from a clot of blood. Recite. And your most bountiful Lord is He Who taught the use of pen, taught man what he knew not (al-Qur'an, xcvi. 1-4). Then the Prophet returned therewith, his heart was trembling, and he went to Khadija and said: Wrap me up, wrap me up! So they wrapped him till the fear had left him. He then said to Khadija: O Khadija! what has happened to me? and he informed her of the happening, saying: I fear for myself.

LMAOOO. See who's quoting the Hadith now... So in your translation, if a man encounters a phenomenon that shook him- a phenomenon he had never seen before, it means he was threatened? Wow... We learn everyday sha.

alBHAGDADI:
You see, the meaning of angel is messenger. The angels who rebelled against God became demons and evil spirits. That didn't stop them from being angels/messengers. They remained angels but fallen ones who now run errands for Satan who was is a fallen angel himself.

Hmmm.. So angels-turned-demons who disobey God can still retain their status as angels? Because you believe that doesn't mean a Muslim must also believe that.

By the way, how many angels have rebelled against God?

alBHAGDADI:
So, the Waraqah that told Mohammad that it was Angel Gabriel he saw, did he go there to see the angel himself?

Does the doctor follow you home before he knows the kind of prescription to give you when you complain of an ailment? You do realize that Waraqah was a man who was learned man who was aware of the coming of another prophet, right? (You don't have to agree with this as it isn't recognsed in your religion; but I believe it because it is recognized in mine).

alBHAGDADI:
You don't understand the encounter at all. Paul was heading towards killing and arresting Christians. How do you expect such a man to be stopped? Read the encounter:

Acts 9:1-6

1 Meanwhile, Saul was still breathing out murderous threats against the Lord’s disciples. He went to the high priest
2 and asked him for letters to the synagogues in Damascus, so that if he found any there who belonged to the Way, whether men or women, he might take them as prisoners to Jerusalem.
3 As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him.
4 He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”
5 “Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked.
“I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,” he replied. 6 “Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”

Even after stopping him with blindness, Jesus Christ still ordered him to go and meet certain people who will heal him. Can you now see why the encounter was like that? How come we don't know why angel gabriel appeared to Mohammad in that horrific manner? Oh, you claim that God's ways are not shown to us. Remember I just showed you that Jesus Himself made his reasons for blinding Paul clear -Paul was going to kill Christians.

Okay.

alBHAGDADI:
Not only Paul but Apostle John saw Jesus after His ascension, yet he wasn't frightened nor go blind. Like I said early, Paul went blind cos he was a sinful man who was on his way to kill Christians. If the strange being was from the Living God Yahweh, it will introduce itself. Moses saw the strange burning bush; that bush introduced itself as God speaking through it. An angel appeared to Mary: that angel introduced himself as Gabriel. Jesus appeared to Paul and still introduced himself. How come the strange being that appeared to Mohammad didn't introduce himself? Don't you think that if Waraqah had said it was a pig mohammad saw, the strange being's mission would have failed cos he didn't introduce himself?

Your answer lies in Isaiah 55:8. Please direct me to the part of the bible where the Jesus appeared to John the apostle after ascension.

alBHAGDADI:
Like I said, he was from a pagan home and his grandfather worshipped allah, a pagan arabian moon god. There's nothing holy about that.

I don't give a rat's a*se about what you said; I deal with facts. The facts have proven that Muhammad was not a pagan. If you pick up a book to read like I suggested earlier, you would have known better.

alBHAGDADI:
But your allah told you to ask those of the scripture before yours

sura 10:94-95
And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then question those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee.

Oh! Look at who is quoting the Qur'an again?

alBHAGDADI:
If he had seen an Angel of God, he wont have been afraid to the point that he was still frightened when he got home. All those Godly men who encountered Angels in the bible were never scared.

How can muslims know of the Jesus that they never saw more than the Christians who walked with Jesus, whom he ordained to do his work? How can Mohammad tell you about Jesus when his greatest grandfather wasn't even a sperm when the disciples of Jesus were walking, working and writing about him? He just showed up after 700 years and claimed to know better and that the disciples are wrong. Use your head.

Again, read more on Abrahamic religions. You thought Muhammad spoke of his own accord? You're mistaken. The words he spoke were revealed to him by God.
Moreover, what I bolded is exactly what those who rejected the words of prophets like Jesus, Abraham, Moses and Muhammad said.
Talmbout 'How can someone who was born yesterday tell us the religion and practices of our forefathers is wrong.

alBHAGDADI:
How many times do we have to tell you muslims that those verses were not talking about Mohammad but Jesus with the book of John speaking about the Holy Spirit? I even explained some of these things in the OP.

And if you saw my first and previous comment on this post, you would see that I said both religions have different interpretations of the words of Jesus. Muslims believe he was a prophet who came with the Injeel and they believe the above verse referred to Muhammad (with their proofs) in those verses? You christians believe he referred to the Holy Spirit. What's the need for conflict then?
For you is your religion and for me is my religion (Qur'an 109:6 )

alBHAGDADI:
Oh, the Bible is no more corrupt. You now dug your nose in the Bible looking for references to Mohammad.

If you believe that Jesus came with a book called Injeel and you can't provide the book today, then it means you have believed in a lie.

In Islam, we believe that the Qur'an is the final and last book of God. The books of all other prophets have been superseded by the Qur'an. Furthermore, we believe that the bible in circulation today contain portions of the teachings of Jesus, but neither represent nor contain the original Gospel from God. (Again, you as a christian don't have the believe this; it is what Muslims believe). We Muslims also believe that the bible in circulation was not divinely revealed but rather are documents of the life of Jesus, as written by various contemporaries, disciples and companions. It is widely believed that John the apostle authored most of the books of the New Testament.

alBHAGDADI:
You see, Islam is a lie told against Jesus. If we can't find the book you muslims claim Jesus came with, then it means you are calling him a failure cos his book can't be found. But it's all a LIE.

No Muslim would ever say the Jesus was a failure. It was not only Jesus that was given a book. In total, 4 prophets were given books. However, the Qur'an is the last revealed book. This last book has encompassed the teachings of the other books.

alBHAGDADI:
Then where else can one find somehting similar to the stories your quran has? Quran plagiarized the Bible.

Again, read more on Monotheistic religions and Abrahamic religions. Therein lies your answers to your question.

alBHAGDADI:
All Prophets spoke of YAHWEH. Mohammad didn't. He came when there was no more need for a prophet cos Jesus, who is the way to God, the truth and the life had finally redeemed mankind. Mohammad came to steal, kill and to destroy like the terrorist that he became.

If by Yahweh, you mean God, then yes, Muhammad came to preach about God.
linguistically, Yahweh is a Jewish word that means God. Allah is the Arabic word for God. Concerning the bolded, if you can't talk about the prophet of my religion with respect, this conversation would have to end here. I have not spoken about your religion in a demeaning light. I thought we were having a civil conversation here.

alBHAGDADI:
You stole those prophets who were never sent to you Arabs. You stole them and told a different story about them, people you never encountered nor knew anything about them if not for the Bible which you now claim is corrupt.

AGAIN, GO AND RESEARCH ON ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS. That's all I have to say about this.

true2god:
The Qur'an in 12:111, 16:89 and 17:11 made a claim that the words of allahh are very clear to understand, I didn't make the claim, so why did the Muslims need a tasfir, sirah and the hadith to explain what allahh had already made plain in the Koran? It is either allahh is a bad communicator or Muslims are lying to defend allahh.

If I speak to you in a manner that you will need a dictionary to understand my taught and languages that means I am a bad communicator. That also means that my expression is subject to numerous interpretation by different audience/students of mine and a recipe for confusion and disaster. This is the major reason why Muslims are quick to reject some hadith as weak and fabricated, reject some sirah and as well reject some tasfir on a particular ayah. There is no uniformity because different tasfir interprete different ayah in different ways. One ayah of the Quran can have like 3 different interpretations from 3 different 'scholar'. That's crazy man!

And again, tasfir is not like our daily dictionary which deals with providing a meaning (or meanings) to a SINGLE word. Don't use unrelated analogy to built a point. The fact remains, according to Muslims, allahh is a bad communicator hence scholars have to write tasfir to explain what allahh could have just made clear in the Qur'an. From my reading of the Quran, the quran as a book makes no sense at all; you cannot read 12 consecutive ayah and make a meaning out of it. The people that wrote tasfir, like ibn kathir, al-badawi and al-tabari understood the problems in the Quran hence came up with the tasfir.

Like I said earlier, go and research on the principle of Asbab al-nuzul. Come back when you have done that; I'll be here waiting for you.

I doubt you know that the Christians also rely on a sort of 'tafsir' for understanding the Bible. It's called exegesis.

Go and learn more on these principles. I won't respond to your mentions if your subsequent comments show you haven't.

Have a nice day.

alBHAGDADI:
Wow!

See the double standard of Muslims and Islam. They are quick to label the Bible as fake and corrupted, yet won't hesitate to quote the same corrupted book when it appears like it's soothes them.

If you can't see that I merely quoted the bible to make you understand the message i was trying to pass from the perspective of your religion, then I can't help you. I've had discussions on this thread with a christian who quoted the Qur'an to pass his message.

alBHAGDADI:
Mohammad encountered an angel, but it was a demon and not Gabriel.

Throughout the Bible, Angels of God never frightened nor terrorised humans they were sent to. If God was the One who sent the angel Mohammad saw, He won't have made the angel deliver the message in that manner. Of what significance is terrifying and threatening Mohammad? Nothing, no meaning or lesson.

I don't know how many times I would say this but you guys need to stop using the bible and Christianity rules to judge events in Islam- just like I won't use events in Islam and Islamic laws to judge Christian beliefs and matters. How in God's name was Muhammad threatened, huh? You said Muhammad encounted an angel but it was a demon? How can one being be an angel and a demon at the same time

alBHAGDADI:
That was why Mohammad himself said he had an encounter with a demon before warakah told him otherwise. We're see about warakah.

So if a child says he saw a snake in the garden but when the father got there, it turned out to be twig, does that mean it is a snake?

alBHAGDADI:
Wow, another double standard. Look at you picking a story from the same bible your lying Quran said is corrupt. Pls, use your brain. Well, it only shows you know that the Bible is God's word.

Paul who was known as Saul before that encounter was an enemy of Christ and his disciples. He put many of them in jail and rendered them dead. As a matter of fact, he was on his way to arrest more Christians on the day he encountered Jesus. The bright light of Jesus was what made him blind. If he wasn't a sinful man, he won't have been blinded. Other disciples saw Jesus after his resurrection and never went blind nor terrified at his brightness.

Oh really! Hmmm... A light that shone so bright it made someone blind. Is that still a good light? I'm not mocking Jesus here (God forbid I do) but doesn't that bring me back to my earlier quote about the ways of God not being the way of man? God could have made Paul convert in another way other than going blind, but He chose the make the man suffer in blindness for 3 days. See, only God knows why He does the things He does. Moreover, according to the bible, other disciples saw Jesus in the physical form after his resurrection. Only Paul saw Jesus after his ascension. So there is no guarantee that other people would not have gone blind if Jesus' light had appeared to them, just like it did to Paul (whether they were sinners or not).

alBHAGDADI:
Even at that, Paul knew it was Jesus Christ he met. But Mohammad didn't know who he met in that terrible encounter of his. It took a third party to tell him the name of the person he met. That means he would have believed it if told that it was a rat he met.

So because Paul knew it was Jesus he met on his way to Damascus, all other people who encounter strange beings should automatically know who/what they encountered. Nice logic.

alBHAGDADI:
Mohmmad was a pagan and from a pagan family. That enough shows impurity.

Please research on Muhammad before he became a prophet and save yourself from this ignorance you are wallowing in.

alBHAGDADI:
Throughout the Bible, show me where else an angel appeared in an awful way to a human God sent him to deliver a message to. Why was Mohammad's own case different and terrifying that he knew he had seen a demon? What's the significance of such terror?

Why should I show you a place in the bible where angels appeared in a strange way? Muslims don't live by the bible, so it will be foolish to try to justify Islamic events by the book of another religion.
Concerning the bolded part, where did you read that he knew he had seen a demon, please?

alBHAGDADI:
Of warakah had studied the scriptures extensively as you claim, he would have known that there was no need for another prophet. Jesus Christ said he is the way, the truth and the life and that no man can come to God except through him. So, there was no need for Mohammad cos Jesus was and is the way to God. I guess warakah didn't study the Bible very well to know that, that's why he ordained the wrong person who ended up as a terrorist, murderer, Jew hater, sex maniac, pedophile and a bloody liar.

I doubt you know that Muslims and Christians have different interpretations for how Jesus went about his ministry and the things he said. For instance, in John 58:80−82, Muslims believe he referred to the coming of another prophet. Also, in Deut 18:18 and Isaiah 29:12, Muslims believe that these verses referred to the coming of another prophet. Muslims believe that Jesus came with The Gospel (Injeel). We believe that this was the original and pristine word that Jesus came with. Also, Waraqah did not ordain Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Where do you guys get this erroneous beliefs from?

alBHAGDADI:
You Muslims started the confusion by stealing Christian stories, twisting them and claiming your narrative is the right one. Why not form Your Own religion without copying other sources? Why not be like Hinduism, bhuddism and the likes who have their own doctrine quite different from what you can find elsewhere?

LMAOOO. How could you say Muslims stole christian stories? Muslims believe in the existence of Jesus as a prophet of God- just like other prophets. We also believe that he came with the Injeel (The Gospel). We believe all prophets came with the same message from God. So, there is bound to be similarities between the Bible and the Qur'an. Both Christianity and Islam acknowledge the existence of prophets like Moses, Abraham, Noah, Jesus, Joseph, Jonah, Isaac, Solomon and many others. So you can't accuse Islam of 'stealing' christian stories. There are similarities in the stories in both religions because the two religions (with Judaism) are the only monotheistic religions in the world.

true2god:
allah says in Qur'an 12:111, 16:89 and 17:11 that his words are very clear, why do you wanna prove allahh wrong by implying that allahh is a bad communicator? Did allahh mention anything about the tasfir or the hadith in the Quran? Why does allahh need human assistance to communicate his words effectively?

Whenever Muslims attempt to explain away the evil commands in the Quran they run to the tasfir. And as per Qur'an 9:29, I have read the tasfir by ibn Kathir. It was explained in the most evil way possible. Muslims should treat the Christians, the so-called Dhimmis, in an Islamic country in the most evil way possible and force them to pay the jizya, convert to Islam or be killed. Quran 9:29 gave rise to the notorious 'pact of umar' which fully explained how Muslims must humiliate Christians and Jews under Islamic rule.

I have read some of the tasfir before now, it makes matters worse for Islam.

If you had taken 10 minutes to research the principle of Asbab al-nuzul as I suggested, you would not have posted this.

Come back for more discussion after you've done that.


PS: Your comment on Muslims running to the Tafsir and why Allah needs human assistance to communicate his words can be answered by a question:
Why does a reader consult a dictionary when he encounters a word he doesn't understand?

God doesn't need human assistance in communicating his words. It is the human being that has to think rationally and learn from the one through which the Qur'an was revealed to understand the Word better.

alBHAGDADI:
You have been totally deceived, yet you allow yourself to be deceived again.

What angel of God appears to a man and scares him? That can only be a demon who is capable of frightening man, especially an impure man.

Through the out the Bible, whenever an angel is sent a message to someone, most times, the first thing they say is "do not be afraid". Those words are so soothing that they calm the man down. Some men eve. welcomed angels into their homes and ate with them.

The same angel Gabriel you claim appeared to Mohammad was the same angel Gabriel that appeared to Mary and delivered good news to her about a Son who will take away the sins of the world. She was not frightened nor terrified, even as a woman. But you say angel Gabriel terrified Mohammad, a man chosen by Allah. What a comedy.

I wonder why you didn't quote the Mohammad's encounter with the so-called angel Gabriel. That would have shown the terrible experience that Mohammad had to the extent that he beg people to cover him cos he was so scared. If it was Angel Gabriel, he won't have been scared and he would have known himself cos the angel will introduce himself. But no, it had to be warakah, a man that didn't see the event, to tell him who the entity was. Your quote even showed that warakah had knowledge of the Bible. If true, he would have known that angel Gabriel doesn't scared humans he's sent to deliver a message to. It is Satan's duty to use fear and terror to make people submit to him.

There is a part of the Bible (I think in Isaiah) where God says His thoughts and ways are not like human's. That should answer your question on why Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) first encounter with Angel Gabriel was like that. In a similar vein, why was Paul the apostle struck blind when he encountered Jesus on his way to Damascus? Couldn't Jesus have meekly convinced him? I think the answer to that is because God's thoughts are not the thoughts of man.
You think Muhammad (PBUH) was an impure man before becoming a prophet?! Hahahaha. Go and read about his life prior to being a prophet.
Because Angel Gabriel appeared in a gentle way to Mary doesn't mean he has just one way of revealing himself to people. In Islam, the angels are known from time to time to appear to people in different forms. Oh! Did you expect the angel to have introduced himself the way you thought he should or the way God commands him to?

Yes, it was Waraqah who wasn't there that explained the phenomenon to Muhammad, just like a doctor isn't always there when a patient takes poison or falls sick before prescribing medications to him. Waraqah was someone who had studied the Torah and the Gospel extensively and was aware of the coming of the last prophet.

Like I said in the beginning of this thread, Christians don't have to believe Islam's account of what happened and Muslims don't have to believe Christianity's account. Both religions have their account. Trying to argue it is like going in circles.

Topmaike007:
mr teacher thank u,usman danfodio really caused many harm for bringing islam to d southwest of nigeria.

and for ur correction it was mistake dat is i did nt read through after typing.

Usman Dan Fodio did not bring Islam to the Southwest. Islam was already being practised in the SW before Dan Fodio.

Even if Dan Fodio brought Islam to the Southwest, it hasn't caused any harm as the zone is the most religious-tolerant zone in Nigeria.

The plot thickens.

A house divided against itself.

HajimeSaito:
Which is worse: Murder in the name of holy war, raping a woman because she's an unbeliever , treating unbelievers as second class citizens?

Or;

Calling a picece of shi.t religion founded by human scum its proper name?

God gave you a brain so I suggest you use it from time to time.

Until then stay the fvck off my mentions because something in my genes won't let me relate with fools.

Dude, keep your emotions in check. Did I hit a nerve when I told you you could have been civil in your post? Ehya! Sorry ehn.. I can't promise it won't happen again though.

I don't know the religion you're referring to in this comment of yours. Certainly, it's not mine.

If there's anyone who should endeavour to use his brain from time to time, you might want to check the mirror for him.

Cheers and have a good night!

alBHAGDADI:
Mohammad himself thought it was Satan that appeared to him and pressed him hard in that cave. It wasn't until his wife, khadija, that was never at the scene, told him that it was Angel Gabriel before he started using that narrative.

Is that how you reached your conclusion? That's a weak premise to stand on.

Firstly, a man was just visited by a being he had never seen anything like it before- a being that greatly terrified him. It was the terror and confusion he was in that made him think that he was visited by an evil spirit.
Secondly, it wasn't Khadijah that told him it was Angel Gabriel that visited him.

The pictures attached might help you...

HajimeSaito:
For the very first time since I joined nairaland I have found a thread that I enjoy.
OP, Albhagdadi may God continue to enlarge your coasts and pour the anointing over you. On behalf of all nairaland Christians I'd like to thank you for this truth establishment mission.
It can only be God's doing that this type of thread can make it to the front page of Nairaland.
A closet muslim like Seun Osewa who lies to the world that he is an atheist would never have allowed this thread to see the light of day if GOD had not intervened.
As for the followers of the illiterate pedophile, plagiarist, ignoramus " prophet " Sex Award Winner ( S.A.W ) fake " prophet " I only hope that one day the special light of God (Shekinah) will penetrate into the darkness of your spiritual blindness and make you see the truth.
This post has really, really, really made my Sunday! I've been singing Pharrell Williams Happy since I read the thread

You know you could have made your point about enjoying the thread like a civil person, right? In order to gain validation, you chose to insult another religion. I'm here to inform you that that doesn't make you look smart.

Cheers and have a nice week ahead.

Topmaike007:
Yeye Relegion Dat Dia Yeye Prophet Snatch His Son Wife And Marry Her.

Prophet Mohammed Said He Dnt Knw D Way Dat Maybe It Is True Or Wrong,but My Lovely Jesus Said He Is D Way The Truth And D Life.

I Dont Blame Boko Haram And Isis,it Is Their Prophet Dat Lay Dat Foundation For Them.

Av Any One Ever Translate The Meaning Of Mecca In Yoruba It Means Dnt Speak What Your Eye See In Dat Dia Temple In Arab(Ma Ka Nko Ti Oju Ba Ri)

Proub To Be Save.

Now I See Why D Bible Said My People Perish Becos Of D Lack Of Wisdom.

Wise Up Islam Is A Deadly Relegion.

Oh! You must be hurting real bad. See a therapist soon. This ignorance-based vile isn't good.


PS: Work on your grammar too. It hurt reading your comment. Hire a tutor.

true2god:
Quran 9:29; Quran 5:51.

One thing Christians are quick to say in the process of understanding the Bible is that one requires the Holy Spirit to guide one in its understanding.

In Islam, there's a concept called Asbab al-nuzul. This concept loosely refers to the circumstances that necessitated the revelation of some verses of the Qur'an. One doesn't just have the knowledge of Islam by reading the Qur'an literally. He has to understand the tafsir too. The tafsir is the exegesis of the Qur'an. Thus, the verses you posted above are not taken at the facial level. The circumstances that led to their revelation is needed.

Just research on the principles of 'Asbab al-nuzul' and 'Tafsir'. The internet should help you.

alBHAGDADI:
Stop being deceived.

The Quran was revealed by Satan and was written down by Mohammad and his men. Or was it Allah that wrote the Quran himself?

Oh! The Qur'an was revealed by Satan? I didn't know sha. Kindly point me to the proof of this. How did you know the Qur'an was revealed by Satan? It would be beneficial to us all if you share this.

Thanks in anticipation.