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true2god:
Read sirah rasul allahh by ibn Ishaq, pages 512 to 514, to get a clue. Also read sirah rasul allahh by ibn Hisham and ibn Iraq to know how demonic and evil your prophet is.

I don't know the books you posted. Why don't you tell me what the books say about the Prophet (PBUH).

As regards the Banu Qurayza, I answered that on this thread

https://www.nairaland.com/4075253/counter-thread-what-muslims-believe/6#60776071

Most powerful woman in the world. Low key controlling Europe's economy.

davillian:
Tolerating the muslim is not a guarantee they will tolerate you.

You do realize that my comment referred to the adherents of both religions, right?

imam07:
are u telling me u don't follow Saudi in terms of religion? Abi Saudi is no more following what is in the quran again.

And where is it written that women can't drive in Islam?

iliyande:
Since you can't comprehend what is written there... Sorry, I can't go further than this please

Same here. If you don't understand my point at this time, I can't also go further than this.

Cheers.

Raphael81:
You are a sound Yoruba Muslim for acknowledging that Muslims and Christians don't worship the same God, I really love u sir, your eyes are open

LOL. How did you come to the conclusion that I'm a Yoruba Muslim?

enilove:
Because you have not read the quran, I will say you are correct to an extent . I would not have said Islam is a false religion if Islam and quran did not claim that the God of the chistians is the God of Islam.

I know as a father that it is credible for me to say things that are just ,honest and of good report to my children so as not to mislead or destroy them. I cannot say to one child " fight and kill your enemies " , and say to another son " dont fight and kill your enemies but pray for them". If such instructions are in writing and read by the children and compared, they will come to a conclusion that " one of it is not written by their father" , because the instructions are contradictory.

What I am saying is that , God is not a God of confusion, it is the devil that is playing a prank with the human souls so that anyone that falls for his lies can be destroyed.

I was a muslim but I had to pray to know the will of God for my life because this world is something else and deep than our knowledge.

Ignorance is not an excuse b4 earthly laws neither would it be acceptable in heaven.
The bible says in :

Hosea 4:6 KJV
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, .......

The way to know the truth is through God in prayer. He is your Creator , He will not lead you astray.

Islam might be a false religion to you but it is the true religion to me and billions of people worldwide. You're correct as regards God not being a God of confusion. In Christianity, polygamy is forbidden. Yet, in Islam, it is encouraged. Doesn't that prove to us that both religions are not in sync? That is the point of my argument. The adherents of both religions should understand these differences and live with them.

iliyande:
I hope this will reboot your brain to get it right next time

Matthew 7:21 – 23
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

If there's anyone who needs brain reboot, it isn't me. You just proved my point with your comment. I said you can't expect a non-Christian to live based on what the Bible says and I can't expect a non-Muslim to live based on what the Qur'an says. You can't expect someone who isn't a believer of your religion to be guided based on what your religion preaches.

In spite of this, you still quoted the Bible to me that's not a Christian. Arrrghh!

Raphael81:
You are beating about the bush sir, I always tell people that Muslims and Christians do not worship the same God, the reason being that every doctrine in Islam is in sharp contrast with Jesus' teachings

Oh please! Where did I say thag Muslims and Christians worship the same God? I merely pointed out that Christians shouldn't judge Muslims based on what their Bible says. Because your Bible says polygamy is bad does not mean that polygamy is bad in Islam.

If you can't understand that, I can't help you.

alBHAGDADI:
It's there in your Hadiths.

Read about Mohammad and the Banu Qurayza tribe.

Firstly, you ignored the genesis of their punishment. You made it seem as if the Prophet was the one who passed the judgement whereas the Banu Qurayza tribe were the one who broke a pact they had signed with the Prophetto be an ally and sided with the enemies of the Prophet in the heat of the battle.

The summary of what happened is answered here

https://www.quora.com/What-happened-to-the-Jewish-tribe-of-Medina-Banu-Qurayza

https://www.quora.com/How-do-you-justify-Muhammad%E2%80%99s-conduct-regarding-Banu-Qurayza

Raphael81:
Why don't Christians visit Medina and Mecca? The reason is simple we don't worship same God, but the sad thing is that Muslims and athiest can visit the church of the Holy sepulchre, even the Vatican city, so brother don't u think your religion is discriminatory? Maybe in ur paradise you will still have mosques but in our heaven we shall worship God alone and we shall see him that is the hope of salvation in Christ

Like I said earlier, you shouldn't expect adherents of a religion to work according to your standards and models. Because all groups of people are allowed in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre and the Vatican doesn't mean that all groups of people should also be allowed into Mecca and Medina. It has nothing to do with discrimination. Heck! All other parts of Saudi Arabia is accessible to non-Muslims.

In pragmatic terms, because Mr Johnson allows everybody to enter all the rooms in his house doesn't mean that his neighbour, Mr Michael is discriminatory if he reserves some rooms in his house for privacy while all other rooms are available for use for everyone.

As regards paradise, we also have different beliefs on it. You believe you will worship God in heaven while Muslims believe all forms of worship ends on earth, and heaven is for enjoyment.

alBHAGDADI:
Mohammad beheaded 700 Jews in one night. He then proceeded to convert and have sex with one of their women after killing her father, brother and husband all on the same night.

Yet, you say he lived peacefully with Jews.

Hahahahaha. You expect me to believe this? Kindly point me in the direction where you read this.

umuna:
Not true ! It is what you study with a willing heart is what you manifest!

I don't get you.

rexbuton:
definitely... but there are fundamental differences between both doctrines. those differences make it impossible for both doctrines to be correct at the same time.. And what doesn't help Islam is the fact that it also cites the Jewish Torah, though indirectly and the doctrines are not harmonious. Christianity on the other hand is relatable to the Jewish Torah. and Christ gives reasons for the amendments he makes in the gospels. and if you look at it closely, Jesus Christ never broke any Old Testament law.

That's just the summary of what I've been saying on this thread. The earlier we realize these fundamental differences and tolerate them, the better we live in harmony with one another.

Raphael81:
Is Saudi Arabia not the corner stone of Islam? Do Christians visit the Mecca or Medina? The basis for discrimination is found in your holy book where your god even turned the people of Israel to pigs? Your god hates the Jews but in the Bible they were the elect...

Saudi Arabia is not the corner stone of Islam. Saudi Arabia didn't even exist as a country until the 1930s. Can I say that Israel is the corner stone of Christianity just because Christians go on pilgrimage there? Christians don't visit Mecca and Medina because they're the cities that host the two holiest mosques in Islam. However, Christians are allowed in other parts of Saudi Arabia.
Your reference to Jews is wrong. Go and read about how Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) lived with Jews in Medina. Only the vile ones were condemned.

Humanistme:
well this is a counter thread. they pushed an offensive thread to Christians from Islamic section to the fp on Friday and Christians were not allowed to comment. if seun wants things to remain the same he should stop pushing offensive threads to fp whether Islam or Christian especially when the people it is offending can't even comment I don't think it's fair. offensive threads whether religious, tribal shouldn't be on fp after all they never push atheist threads to fp.

I think it is fair enough. I didn't even notice the thread on Friday. If the thread had remained in the Islam for Muslim section, it would have been no problem. Pushing it to the FP was certainly going to offend some people who believe (rightly so) that it is an affront on their beliefs. I have no problem with this counter thread as an action is sure to birth a reaction. If I had seen the thread on Friday, I might have posted what I posted above.

rexbuton:
Because its adherents who commit fornication and adultery are not really Christians. They a only bear the name. it isn't the name that makes you a Christian, it is your deeds

Same can be said of Muslims too.

Raphael81:
Muslims love freedom that is why you see them running to Europe from the middle east in the recent migrant crisis but the irony is that their religion doesn't support freedom if you doubt then tell a woman to drive a car in Saudi Arabia

You're confusing politics and governance with religion. You do realize that Saudi Arabia is the only country where women are not allowed to drive, right? We have many Muslim countries where anyone can drive.

Is there anywhere where it is written in the Qur'an that women can't drive?

Unless you're saying Islam is practised based on Saudi Arabia laws instead of the Qur'an.

enilove:
Islam is a FALSE RELIGION. If Islam believed in Jesus ,the quran would have contained WORDS of Jesus and obey his commandment. If you believe that a prophet is from God , why dont you obey his messages?

Which of Jesus commandments is in the quran? Non.
Muhammed married the wife of his adopted son . But Jesus tells us not to divorce nor marry a divorced woman.

Matthew 5:31-32 KJV
It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: [32] But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Quran says in Surah 33:37.

37 Behold! Thou didst say to one who had received the grace of Allah and thy favour: "Retain thou (in wedlock) thy wife, and fear Allah." But thou didst hide in thy heart that which Allah was about to make manifest: thou didst fear the people, but it is more fitting that thou shouldst fear Allah. Then when Zaid had dissolved (his marriage) with her, with the necessary (formality), We joined her in marriage to thee: in order that (in future) there may be no difficulty to the Believers in (the matter of) marriage with the wives of their adopted sons, when the latter have dissolved with the necessary (formality) (their marriage) with them. And Allah´s command must be fulfilled.

The same God of the Bible that hates divorce cannot be the God that commanded Muhammed to marry his adopted son's wife.

Islam is the devil's lie. That is why everything about Islam is violence .

Quran does not contain the ten commandment as given to Moses.
Islam does not know the meaning of a Prophet. That is why quran calls Adam a prophet.

The issue with this response and the thread as a whole is that some adherents of a religion judge other religions by the standards and models of their own religion. For instance, if divorce is illegal in Christianity, you don't expect it to also be illegal in Islam.
They are 2 different religions that have different rules and laws. So calling one religion a FALSE religion is funny. We have hundreds of religions in the world and each one believes his own is the only true one.

This discourse about Jesus in Christianity and Islam can be likened to the argument football fans have on the better player between Messi and Ronaldo. Christians believe Jesus is the son of God while Muslims believe he is a prophet of God like all prophets before and after him.

Why many can't see it in this light baffles me.

'For you is your religion, and for me is my religion' (Qur'an 109:6)

Hi all!
Came across this article few minutes ago ago on networking for Introverts. You should give it a read.

https://campuspress.yale.edu/cnspy/2017/02/16/an-introverts-guide-to-networking-v-changing-your-perception/

Oh damn! The similarities are so uncanny.

Unfortunately, this thread will degenerate into a tribal battleground, as usual.

'Them vs Us' kind of thing.

I thought of this a few weeks ago. The SE has overtaken the SW, education-wise. While I commend Aregbesola on his construction of school buildings, I think more emphasis should be laid on how to review the education policies in the SW. Constructing school buildings without adequate policies is like having a beautiful laptop with an obsolete OS.

SHTFguy:
Your leaders know this .

Nigeria's eventual breakup will not see an independent group Odua state because the north will not have it.

You know this is true and this is why your leaders and elders are already preparing you to accept Arewa domination by claiming you share cultural ties with the north.

The north has also vowed to continue their jihad march to the Atlantic after being buoyed by the capture of Ilorin.

Where did you get this from? Apologies but this is beer parlour gist.

You think we still live in the 5th century?

SHTFguy:
Keep grasping at straws.

You frauds have been exposed.

You are not progressive liberals but willing vassals of Sokoto

You are one Nigeria for the money and nothing else.

So take your fake restructuring and shove it

You, sir, will be alright.

The delusion you've found yourself in will free you one day.

'Vassals of Sokoto'?? Really, dude?

SHTFguy:
Keeping up with Yoruba sophisticated confusion is not easy.

Er'... I think the most logical reason for this is that you're confused.

SHTFguy:
The same Afenifere which the YAM squad here keep degenerating since the demonic APC and Buhari appeared?

It is no secret that the average Yoruba youth does not hold any respect for Afenifere anymore but will rather listen to that ex-convict kleptomaniac drug fiend, Tinubu and hold Arewa and Sokoto in higher regard.

You lie when you speak of restructuring and the first to bring this to the fore was Amir Sanusi in a paper he presented back in 1999 when he described "Yorubas as the Problem of Nigeria".

See how you're being exposed.

First, you said Yorubas are against restructuring. Secondly, you said Yorubas want restructuring but as a bargaining chip. When you were then confronted with the fact that Afenifere has been consistent in their call for restructuring, you claim that Yoruba youths don't respect Afenifere and only listen to Tinubu.

Can you see how weird your pattern is?

Michael004:
They will never provide any prove. Let them keep that their song like that.

timsTNA:
Ode I meant the other guy

Apologies.

You quoted the guy's response to me, and I rightly thought you referred to me.

timsTNA:
I have walked out on the mumu

Both of us never had a conversation, so how could you walk out on me? Don't mistake me for the mumu you saw in the mirror.

SHTFguy:
The first statement is a conclusion

The second, provides the motive for their fake calls for restructuring.

Are you this daft?

If you can't have a conversation like a civilized being, I can't have a conversation with you. Don't think you have the monopoly of being rude, dude!

Go and learn how the Afenifere have been calling for a new constitution before you suffocate on ignorance.

Cheers!

Basic123:
so yorubas dont want restructuring?

Ibadan and lagos have always been the greatest Nigerian cities before oil was even discovered,so,stop using yorubas to cover up for your race failures

seriously,yIGBO people people and victim mentality are

The dude even said Lagos won't survive with oil money. The dude needs to read up on the percentage of Lagos' revenue accruing from oil. Lagos has at least 2 active ports. The Lekki deep seaport is also being constructed.