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LeSudAfricaine:
night barbarian

Good night simpleton.

LeSudAfricaine:
I'm bowing out too. Have no time for intellectual wannabe Matrix fanboys especially on this cozy Friday

Run little girl, Run!

TMKsouth:
Keep on holding the fort soldier - I'm nursing a new thread right now. Plus, this one is really draining me now. Will evaluate your work later . AMANDLA!

A polite way to bail because you are now required to use your medulla oblangata.

LeSudAfricaine:
Teach who? Nigerians and delusions... Some think they are "giants of Africa" others call themselves "smartest blacks" and others think they are in "The Matrix ". Funny bunch

The Matrix is analogous to the situations we are discussing and your mind set.

I have no delusions my dear. A giant is a figment of mans imagination. There are no humans who are giants if you think hard about it.

LeSudAfricaine:
Barbarism happens in every country in the world, the guy that went on to kill Muslims in New Zealand was a savage for example. The same thing can and has happened in a country like the US, however some countries are worthy of being called "barbaric "

Nigeria is one of them.

That's an opinion and not fact my dear but you are allowed that.

TMKsouth:
4. A migrant wrecks his own economy by sitting idly and watching his leadership get away with murder. I show Nigerians pictures of the ZumaMustFall movement and marches in SA which refused to let Zuma destroy the country any further, and most of them tell me they're not ready to die for their country and leave their families behind suffering. They fear Buhari will spray them all with bullets.

1. The correct verb must be used in this response. To wreck something means to be an active member in the destruction or exploitation of that asset. To stand by powerless as it is syphoned cannot constitute an act of wreckage.

2. If you are referring to protests as an act of defiance to change outcomes within a society, I am sorry to tell you SA is not unique neither are they braver in this act. The only difference with it and other African countries is the fact that the outcomes in SA are more favorable because the institutions in the country which were ran and inherited from Whites were fully empowered to produce the "change" that occurred.

TMKsouth:
There's no such fear in SA from the public, and not because the government is civilised but because they know what the active citizenry is capable of should they dare - and there's plenty of examples to attest to this. Even during the apartheid times young black kids were throwing stones at the white government armed to the teeth - there was a great determination to liberate ourselves.

Believe what you want but that rhetoric of bravery is an illusion of grandeur. Again the major reason there are favorable outcomes in SA is because the institutions inherited were ran much more longer and so its positives were inherited when it transitioned over into the hands of blacks after 450 years.

TMKsouth:
5. Which leads me to point number 5. There wouldn't have been international political and economic pressure had those kids not sustained their internal opposition to apartheid. They were willing to die for their freedom. In the end it was a negotiated settlement but we don't always need wars in Africa to label ourselves heroic as you're attempting to do - where has that left your country today?

It all depends on who's interests are being threatened in SA to cause enough pressure to transform a government by external powers. In the case of SA it was economics and not your 1976 children throwing stones at armed officers. That's jus the impetus narrative to garner enough support by the economic powers that were at that that with strong interests in SA to pressure the apathed regime to give in.

This has occurred in Nigera several times were there was intervention on the basis of national interest by western and business interest.

The death of Ken Saro Wiwa and the issues in the Niger delta at that time led to the death of Sani Abacha by assasination with the consent of the CIA and business interests to user in democratic rule in Nigeria more so than the thousands of protests, arrests, imprisonments by those who struggled to attain this in Nigeria.

Sorry to burst your bubble. Your people did nothing fantabulous.

TMKsouth:
3. Still on the subject of apartheid u should know how black South Africans were denied quality education and the effects of that are generational and witnessed to this day still. I'm in my 30s but my parents were direct victims of the bantu education system. So it should come as no surprise that we would be behind other African countries on the intellectual innovation scale (not just exclusively compared to Nigeria but Africa as a whole as we were one of the last countries to gain independence). That's why I initially asked why "after 61 years of independence" you still lacked opportunities - compared to South Africa's 27 years of liberation.

You are a millennial born into the most connected and technological advanced times this planet has ever been. This has nothing to do with your parents but the "culture" of entitlement which weighs your youth down focusing them on what these so called messiah google eyed politicians are going to do for them than them doing for themselves

TMKsouth:
1. So South Africa's black and ONLY democratic government has been in power for 27 years as I just mentioned above compared to over 300 years of white rule characterized by colonisation and apartheid. Both systems have been declared by the United Nations as Crimes Against Humanity, so to label the black government as more fantastically corrupt than them is just pure unadulterated WHITE WORSHIP. We all know how the whites acquired African wealth and sought to maintain it. It's not up for discussion.

Mind you Apartheid was a democratic government in the sense that you were not considered citizens within that democratic establishment so this democratic dispensation is technically not the first in SA. The same institutions were inherited from the democratically elected presidents during the Apatheid regime so your point is mute and not moot.

TMKsouth:
2. And finally, borrowing from point 4 in the beginning, SA's future political trajectory shows far better positive signs of not succumbing to the typical form of dysfunction found in most parts of the continent because of an active civil society and viligant citizenry. The same citizenry that finds it difficult to understand why all of Africa chooses to run to SA instead of facing their own demons bedeviling them at home. And yet when these same migrants arrive in SA they begin to mock the very people keeping the SA democracy alive. It's a shame.

on your point 1: I'll give SA a better chance at not succumbing to what you refer to above but there are far more variables that play into that projection than jus the two aforementioned points you raise there and we can debate that statistical probabilities of that and what that would look like.

on your point 2: African migrants and economic refugees have nothing to do with that outcome since they control no resource or power within the frame work of their host nation. The fact that they point to or mock your short comings is pure human nature and shouldn't be taken as more that mere trivialities practiced by poor people. If you are pained by this well that's a reflection that something is obviously wrong with your self esteem, no?

TMKsouth:
Just finally, check how Nigerians reacted just yesterday to a challenge posed to them to stay at home and fix their problems: a vast majority scoffed at the idea. And that's how migrants ruin their own country.

Running Away From Nigeria: Is It Morally Right?
https://www.nairaland.com/6777196/running-away-nigeria-it-morally

There are a lot of Nigerians who do not leave Nigeria so not all of them leave. If there are as they say 150 million Nigerians who are still resident in Nigeria and haven't rushed to the borders then the number of them who leave for greener pastures shouldn't bother you unless you believe every single person from country should stay within the confines of their country cause I know for a fact looking at the population of Nigeria that a majority of them are still there no?

LeSudAfricaine:
you try to much.

I am trying to teach you the difference between knowing the path and walking the path.

LeSudAfricaine:
Nigeria is a barbaric and backward country, agree and move on.

First we must agree on what constitutes barbarism and the limitations of its definition.

I read how a guy from the North west killed his girl friends relative including small children in a house.

Is that barbaric or no?

LeSudAfricaine:
I'm voting him too, whether im labeled "xenophobic' or "Afrophobic" for it, don't really care. I'm all for what he stands for.

What does he stand for again? Please elaborate or does he just make you feel patriotic, you know play on that pride of being a "south African'!

Vote away my dear. its your country neh!

LeSudAfricaine:
Credit card my foot. We dont want Nigerian scammers in our country. Its that simple.

Yes I understand you prefer Absa and first national banks who over charge you claiming them as "bank charges" and debit card transaction charges. They are obvious "legal" scammers who have made proper deals with your government and so they are free to practice without hinderance.

FREE YOUR MIND

Morphues is REBORN!

JaceBlaze:
You mad??

Tell that to the google eyed illiterate Mashaba who has nothing better to do than to chase around hair dressers and Spaza shop owners while he makes deals with his White monopoly capital friends in the DA to usher in capitalism at its finest.

**Shame** in Somizi voice.

TMKsouth:
So basically SA government isn't as "fantastically corrupt" as Nigeria's

1.If we are counting from the inception of the first recognized governments in the mother city I would contend that the SA govt has been "fantastically corrupt" as you exclaim here.

2. If you compare in relative terms i.e. an indigenous govt of 1960 versus an indigenous govt in 1990, I would conclude that Nigeria has had far more time to embed the type of corruption synthesized and familiar on the African continent by these indigenous governments.

TMKsouth:
and SA's human resources go down the deepest mines in the world, help build and maintain an electricity network almost 8 times the size of Nigeria's, build world-class roads which are the envy of Nigerians - and ultimately all these factors and many others, combine to make SA a very attractive destination for Nigerian migrants.

Are you talking about intellectual human resource or "labor" intensive human resource. If labor then SA "workers" will win that battle while Nigerians would take the larger share of the "intellectual" aspect of human resource.

TMKsouth:
And yet u have the audacity to mock South Africans for not taking advantage of the opportunities migrants utilise? The same migrants who wrecked their own countries watching idly as politicians ransacked their economies and the little opportunities they had left ? How does that work (the audacity)? Please explain.

How does a migrant wreck his own economy?. He is a victim of corrupt leadership.

Did South Africans fight any War with the powers that be before 1910 to realize emancipation, no my dear friend they did not. What brought down the Apatheid government was economics and political pressure from the exterior and not the might of its people.

This is your new joburg leader in SA. The google eyed undercover nationalist- afrophobia-ist from Ga-Rankuwa who sold hair poison to his people.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN0XMIkhliU

TMKsouth:
Why are there few opportunities in their countries?

Is that a rhetorical question or should I assume you don't know that answer

Let me answer you with a similar question, help you jog your reasoning abilities. Why aren't there enough tenders to go around in SA?

TMKsouth:
Nigeria, a country with the largest oil reserves in Africa, 61 years of independence and the biggest human resource in Africa by far - has fewer opportunities than South Africa?? Please explain.

1. Oil reserves( Resource) stolen by corrupt criminals.

2.Human resource has always been there will always be there... google how many tech companies raises billions of investment dollars into the country. These are your young human resource outside of the establishements that control oil.

TMKsouth:
The same way they couldn't see the opportunities in their own countries either right ? Or are there no opportunities in their own countries? What kind of sh*tholes do they come from devoid of any opportunities ?.Please explain.

1. There are opportunities there but too many people chasing too few opportunities.

2. The infrastructure to support the opportunities is lacking therefore they migrate not that the opportunities are not abound my dear Saffer.

LeSudAfricaine:
If you gonna respond to me at least use your brain. Do you know most SA men? Nigerians are the ones who are very lazy. Over 60 years of independence and there's absolutely nothing to show for it. No proer roads, no proper electricity etc. Nothing works in that country,{/quote}

That's not a function of laziness, its a function of corruption and kleptocracy carried over from colonial times.

[quote author=LeSudAfricaine post=106286803]you emigrate to better countries than improve your own. A Nigerian would rather scam you or try a short cut like money rituals than put in the actual work. South Africa's infrastructure improves each day due its people, while you are stuck with locomotives from the 80s

I beg to differ scamming is putting in work my dear you've just been led to believe that the level which is practiced by Nigerians is evil.

Your Corporations are doing it to you on a daily basis. Take a look at the rate on your credit card. How in the hell is that not a scam.

You are a mumu!

TMKsouth:
It's funny how u own 100% of the land in your country but still run to SA to come "sit on a crazy keg of sulphur" with the rest of us blacks.

What's the price of onions today in Naija o ? Complete waste of land.

They are coming there to freeload and take opportunities that your people cannot see even with their 2 eyes open.

LeSudAfricaine:
Bloody savages check the top headline right now.Another man beheaded

Gender based violence and raping babies is also savagery my lady.

JaceBlaze:
I'm voting ActionSA.Mashaba seems to be resonating with the people but him saying he's going to strip away the tender system has caused a dilemma on some people.

Of course you would vote for the google eyed illiterate who is using illegal immigrants as a smoke screen to garner your support. Indeed the illegals are your worst problem. They are obviously the ones stopping you from accessing loans in banks to support SME's. They are the ones who lock you out of the best properties and jobs in the western cape and they are obviously the ones who have built up Chinese industries and bought up all kinds of spaces in your metropolitan cities.

The google eyed mumu couldn't run a city if it fell on his lap.

PS, look at his sloppy speech here, its clear the man is reading of a script written for him and can't articulate it with any manner of intelligence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-AVO0cjnUM