₦airaland Forum

SUFFERInSMILIIN:
More than 95% of South Africa's wine is exported. They all over Nigeria including amirullah. Even here in Sao Paulo there are a lot of South African wines

The point just flew over you head, didn't it?

PS. Its Amarula not Amirullah! which is a liquour not wine!

Austine1213:
Franschoek, South Africa

Some of thethe worlds best wines comes from these vineyards

Yes the land stolen by French people to make wine that they used to turn you all into drunkards via dop system.

All hail FRANS-Hoek!

WannaHowzit:
Where do u get your stats of 100s of 1000s deaths? Please prove it.

For a black president who stole from his own people is even worse. No one expects whites to lookout for blacks, so Zuma's crimes are far worse. He modelled himself as the people's president and yet left their condition even worse than he found it.

Maybe that's the sort of thing u celebrate in Nigeria but not here in SA. That's why he got the boot. So if that's what u term a self entitled ingratitude attitude, I'll gladly wear it - thank u very much. U can keep your own corrupt and comatose leaders.

You are so daft that you don't even realize how much apartheid presidents took away from you compared to what you think Zuma stole.

Olodo!

WannaHowzit:
Black.

ANy black person who states that an apartheid president was better must be wither be mixed with the opressors blood or is so oppressed in his mind he is suffering from stockholm syndrome.

WannaHowzit:
Worst president ever. Even the apartheid ones were better.

You must be a colored!

Admissionclass:
I saw a post by one etche man telling us he is igbo and same as Ikwerres , I saw how many likes he got and I felt bad.

Ndiigbo I have a question for you....


What's is so special about Ikwerres?
Is it that they have a huge landmass?is it because they of everlasting oil? Will they give us access to the sea ?Ask yourself what has their oil done for Nigeria?
Any attempt to include Ikwerre In igboland will spell disaster in the future do you know why?
70 percent of Niger delta would be submerged in 50 years time sea level is rapidly rising do your research if you think am lying ,this means we would be spending billions of dollars on land reclamation.

Brotherhood no be by force..our case don turn North and South Korea.

Brotherhood no be by force but blood no dey lie.

If you like chnage your name to Osibanjo, na Igbo people una be.

Straight to the DNA lab my friend.

The papa no even flog the girl reach sef.


The lesson learned here is that there are consequences for our actions. Some of them might be very severe.

JaceBlaze:
Good for you.Just because I was born in South Africa doesn't mean I know everything.I bet there are non Americans who have more knowledge about Malcom X than some Americans.

I thought you were an expert on everything SA an us "foreigners" were always blabbling about stuff you guys are already aware of.

Story for the gods!

JaceBlaze:
Morphy the overly obsessed Jace fan how do you find me in every thread I post in? this is becoming creepy

*****Please****** You not that special eh. Don't let people think I chase you around all the time. I appear on Nairaland only when necessary and ot all the time.

JaceBlaze:
What am I supposed to be looking up and what should I do with that info?

Its new information for you. Do with it what you please, at least you have that information now.

YEBOmadiba:
The point is SA men are not complaining about their women being stolen. It's a non-issue for the majority. Nigerians are hanging to the statements of a few poor disgruntled minority and made it universal, which is self-deception.

Its not as bad as it was before but its definitely still there. Lets keep it real here.

YEBOmadiba:
Indeed, that's why you won't leave SA regardless of the xenophobic killings. You'd rather risk your life under a grossly incompetent government.

Ahhh Mfethu, I don't live in South Africa ne!

Once upon a time I visited a large range of countries in Southern Africa and I was based in some of them including SA for sometime attached to a foreign government outfit.

There is nothing in SA I have not seen anywhere else in many of my travels to wish to live there.

You can enjoy your country. Its all yours!

YEBOmadiba:
SPOT ON. We are a sexually liberated country and date across nationalities.

This is why you are slow. Sexual liberation has nothing to do with picking out a spouse or someone for a long term relationship. A cameroonian woman can sleep with several French men while attending university in France or in her country for that matter. Who is really stopping her?

Minxie:
But you'd swear reading on Nairaland that Nigerians have married or slept with 80% of SA women. That time that figure doesn't even make up 0.005%. More Zimbabweans and Congolese date SA people than that.

Nigerians and empty pride.

Foreigners do attract your women and this is a reality you have to deal with based on some of the things I have discussed earlier which you wish to bury your head in the sand for.

Some Nigerians take this on as masculine prowess but the fact remains you should look inward as to what you are doing that causes you to make statments such as "they are taking our women" or "they got the good ones" or " i hate those Nigerians because our girls like them", statements that I have heard from even the most educated sect of your population.[/quote]

Minxie:
I think you've made a good point. I agree with you and would like to add something. I would like to point out that there's a perception that South African women like Nigerian men especially. Which is not true. South African women like all kinds of foreign men because of the points you made and more.

I don't disagree with this point and alluded to this in my response when I use the term "foreigners"

Minxie:
However there is a certain amount of care being displayed by South African men (fathers, uncles and brothers)because of the rate at which some foreigners have deceived local women just to get papers. This is also something that contributes to the theory of "they are taking our women".

This is unfortunately true and there are people who get married for paper sake however if you look very well at most immigration laws in your country you will see that it is virtually useless for foreign men at this point to follow that route if they wish to immigrate into the country for a long period of time. The process is deliberately stalled to weed these such instances out, so I would say a smaller percentage of foreigners follow this route.

Rather I would say that these men decide to settle down permanently with these women as spouses in the hopes of remaining in the country indefinitely.

Minxie:
South African women love foreigners (from all over and not just Nigeria)because we think they are different to what we know. this doesn't necessarily mean that our own men are bad. Truth is that women from all over think the worst of their own men. Just look at the case of Nigeria. I've spoken to women from many countries who all prefer foreign men. A Chinese prefers Italian men but an Italian girl prefers brazilian men. This happens in most countries. Women like foreign men because they bring a sense of erotic, exotic and adventure. Exploring the unknown... it's sexy

No one says all South African men are bad. South Africans get married to each other on a daily basis and I don't think this is going to stop any time soon. That's not the point. The point is why are your women attracted to them at a hire degree as opposed to what you know. s it curiosity, values, appearance, wealth ?

Ps This does not happen in the Nigerian community not so because all these traits I have enumerated are non existent in other men outside of Nigeria only that most Nigerian women are comfortable with the cultural values of what a relationship with a spouse means within the cultural context.

YEBOmadiba:
SA men and women are free to love whoever they want - foreigners and even same sex - so it's not a big issue.

Who do you know that is not free to love whoever they want. Did Nigerians tell you they restrict their women from marrying other people.

YEBOmadiba:
The Nigerians make it a big issue because being with a South African women boosts their low self-esteem which South Africans expose very well. They crave SA attention because u know SA people don't like them much. So SA girls are the ideal trophy for them - that's why u find a million threads about na.ked SA babes on NL.

WRONG!!

1. It is common practice for immigrating men to take upon themselves wives from the community they reside in because of imbalance in the proportion of males that migrate compared to women.

2. The Nigerians are usually wow'ed by the back sides and hour glass shapes of South African women, which is not a commonality with women from West Africa thus the initial infatuation with your women. What they do come to realize after time is that looks are indeed deceiving. Most of these ladies are not from very good backgrounds, are highly promiscious compared to their West African counterparts in marriage and are prone to leaving their husbands at later stages of the marriage because of the ingrained culture of not preserving the family unit.

YEBOmadiba:
So the people hyping this woman issue are Nigerians, not South Africans. Yes, some men complain about this - as in most countries - but Nigerians overblow it as if SA men are running out of women. Meanwhile, only like 0.00001% SA girls are dating Nigerians. So it's a typical Nigerian false bragging mentality.

I will agree with you here only due to the fact that statistically speaking SA men have nothing to worry about. If there only about 500,000 Nigerian men within the country,they would be overwhelmed by the number of SA men and women and thus cannot have bragging rites at monopolizing marriage to SA women.

This however does not negate the fact that South African girls marry other nationalities in higher propensity than do their men and some of the issues I enumerated do factor into this reason.


Shikena!

YEBOmadiba:
No, we need to shut our borders to illegal immigration, instead of the responsibility now being on us to learn foreign cultures and be understanding in our own country.

Shut the borders and do it now now. I am an advocate for this cause.

YEBOmadiba:
Why should we go overseas for sensitivity training when we should be indoctrinating foreigners in our country to our way of doing things?
Foreigners need to adapt to South African ways and not the other way round. That's why we need to manage the numbers otherwise they'll overwhelm us. That's standard procedure all over the world but in SA foreigners have the audacity to attack our state institutions coz they have safety in numbers.

That can't be right.

its because you don't know how to run your government thats why

grandlexuz:
Is it really true that some South Africans are just plain angry cos their babes are being tangled by foreigners. I have heard those lines too often from strangers and your honest insight to it be nice.

To a certain extent yes they are. There has been a growing perception over the years that "foreigners" come to the country and take "thier" women away from them, as if their women are property that is waiting for them.

I believe this mindset comes from the fact that the women now have many more options available to them that was not present.

Apartheid brought about a lot of destabilization to the family unit which disrupted certain innate African values that centered on the family as a unit. Men were separated from their women, having to travel far distances to seek work, this in turn increased the issue of promiscuity perpetrated by both partners I must add, the culture of rape, illegitimate children, alchoholism and lack of financial support from spouses.

Now I am not saying these issues are not present in other societies across Africa, however this is much more pronounced in the Black South African communities.

In come these Africans with different value systems and thus the shift in many of their females becoming attracted to some of the values these "foreigners" bring.

Its a hard reality pill to swallow but its on them to fix this problem and chasing away their competition is not one of the solutions.

My two cents.

kgr28:
The matrix you still breathing my G.

Morpheus can never die.

Covid is not my portion.

YEBOmadiba:
I'm certain that's what the cops do. For ordinary South Africans it's not possible because of a lack of integration, particularly by West Africans. They are too foreign.

Then your cops need an integration lesson sponsored by your government. Send a squad of them to all these African countries to spend a month each and have them understand the differences since this will become an escalating issue in SA.,Why not nip the problem at the bud eh?

grandlexuz:
I find the storeotyping very disturbing to some extent. Irrespective of the crime situation I don't think anyone should be locked up for being Nigerian. People should be locked up for committing a crime and not just for origin. With regards to public perception of Nigerians, that really can't be helped. Even here on Nairaland once a crime thread pops up you see the Names Checker Association fighting amongst themselves.

Stereotypes are often true but are "always" generalizations so anyone who does this is prejudice. Unfortunately this is a defense and survival mechanism engrained in the human condition.

grandlexuz:
Although I am from Cameroon I have a name that is common amongst the Igbo and Cross River. It has played negatively on me even in Europe. So I suppose the Nigerian issue isn't just limited to SA.

A lot of ethnic groups in close proximity to national borders would experience this as the Igbo- calabar -Bamenda are closely related in language and ethnicity. This should not bother you because invariably you are/were related to these groups somewhere in the distance past hence the similarity in names.

This is not uncommon in South Africa either as many people from mozambic, Zambia or Zimbabwe share similar first and last names as many South Africans yet sometimes they are accused of adopting these names to camouflage themselves within the society when in actuality because these groups have been related in the past with the likelihood that these names are cross cultural.[/quote]

YEBOmadiba:
Because Nigerians are claiming to be Cameroonian and Ghanaian coz they've ruined their own reputation. It's widespread - ask a friend for verification.

Its quite easy to confirm if someone is from a specific area in West Africa.

1. Ask them where they are from
2. once they identify, bring someone from that specific country to verify if they can speak or understand a native language from that country, if they can't then they have been caught out.



unlike some of you in the south who can interchange languages within South Africa, it is difficult to camouflage ourselves quite so easily in West-central Africa.

YEBOmadiba:
U failed to see the big picture because u are rushing to pin my back against the wall. That foreign attack on SA police is indicative of their behaviour in SA. Go disect that for a minute and you'll realise why there are tensions in SA society towards outsiders.

So its indicative of Ethiopians to attack your police unprovoked and this just boils your flesh down to your bones. How dear they.

So when they do this why do you not arrest them, run a search on their documentation and papers if found lacking, then straight to the Limpopo border out of SA.

What stops your government from doing this. Why the delay in implementing this?

ASk the right questions and you will get the right answers.

YEBOmadiba:
Unfortunately Cameroonians and other West Africans are falsely identified as Nigerians because of your similar physical stature.

So your people mis-identify other West-central Africans and Nigerians and then do what to them after they identify them as such? Hmmmm.

You are admitting your own s.t.upidity here or trying to use revere psychology on the cameroonian in trying to justify your own prejudice.

Why do you mis-identify someone, why don't you just walk up to them and ask them where they are from?

YEBOmadiba:
U mean the same Ethiopians that were attacking SA police - the incident that led to last year's xenophobic wave? Post that as evidence instead. Where have u ever heard of foreign nationals abusing state officials - it's treason.
You also should desist from labelling every bad thing that happens to foreigners in SA as xenophobic - we all suffer from criminal attacks in SA equally.

Stop digressing. Any unlawful attack on peace officers anywhere in the world should not be tolerated. This is a straw man argument using one subject in and attempt to answer what was asked when it has nothing to do with what was asked.

Have your people been xenophobic to the list of other nationals I mentioned earlier, yes or no?[/quote]

YEBOmadiba:
It's great hearing from a Cameroonian. We don't hear much complaints about your countrymen in SA unlike Nigerians, Zimbabweans and Mozambicans. I like your fair assessment on the SA situation.

You are patronizing the Cameroonian here so they feel like this is an attack only on Nigerians, Zimbabweans and Mozambicans who ironically are the largest set of "foreigners" in your country hence the over representation.

You forgot to mention your Xenophobia on Somalis, Ethiopians, Congolese, Malawians, Rwandans, Burundians, Zambians etc.

Need I show you evidence?

YEBOmadiba:
Funny how all black South Africans are labelled xenophobic but white South African racism is overlooked. They created and maintained a racist apartheid system for 50 years and beyond, but they are today idolized in Nigeria.

Point 1- Anyone who blankets an entire people and labels them one thing is an idiot.

Point 2- Any Nigerian who idolizes White people is mis-educated and should be sent back to Jss 3 for re-education.

JaceBlaze:
Gotcha!

Ahh JaceBlaze, so you didn't know Mandela had a first wife with lots of children.

Tomorrow you will say you know your own country. Poor Millenial baby.

Let me spice up the mandela story a little more for you. They set the trend for marrying "foreigners" (in south African accent) long before you all started complaining about foreigners taking your women.

Look up who Kweku mandela Amuah's mum is.


*****Shame****

JaceBlaze:
Morpheus24 really wishes he was Morpheus from The Matrix

I am one of many that embodies this "avatar".

The point however remains that "We" will outlast you fools!

"Come let me show you how deep the rabbit hole goes"

JaceBlaze:
You have been a fool for that long and you're still willing to be for a long time to come

Ahh young padowen. it is you who are the fool.

Morpheus is son to the god of dreams. He comes to you in all shapes and sizes and never lives in your psyche hence he is everlasting.

I aint going no where, my bro **in white south African man's voice*****

JaceBlaze:
This fool has been trolling Nairaland for straight 11 years.

I think I have been here for much longer. I love nairaland, never leaving.

I outlasted your trolling SA predecessors. I will be here long after you as well my young Padowen.

RIP to the all the Mandela family members that have passed including Zindziwe.

I remember hearing her speech as a young man after watching the Mandela movie with Danny Glover years ago.

JaceBlaze:
Soweto.

An all-black neighbourhood.Oyinbo nut-huggers are probably punching the air right now as they try to find an excuse that sticks

My people go and live in Soweto at your own risk. Fine building, craze people for there!

Sorry JaceBlaze, last comment, no vex!

JaceBlaze:
Here we do the talking through pictures.Take your lame jokes somewhere else.

Yes let me go before you claim harrassment . I have said my piece.

Enjoy the picture posting ne!

JaceBlaze:
And what will I be doing in Senegal in the first place?

Seeing that you haven't been there before or any where for that matter the joke practically went over your head.

*****AHHHHH SHAME****